Cover. Ill talk to the supermodel who made the cover not once but twice. Quite a rare event. Paulina poroskov akova. And my interview with bubba watson. He goes and gets his first win in two years after our interview. Bubba is back tonight live presumably to thank me. I begin with break news. Crisis in kiev. Cnns phil black is there. He joins me live on the phone. Phil, what is the latest going on in kiev right now. Reporter right now, piers, it is 4 00 a. M. Local time. And despite that there are still thousands of people here occupying independence square. Theyre all working one way or another. Working to try and ensure they can continue to occupy and hold onto the square because they believe the Security Forces are going to be coming through sometime soon to drive them out. Youve got people at the frontline manning shields, others literally tearing up the road creating piles of rubble to be used as ammunition. And now fuelling the big fires that can be seen burning here in the square. To keep those Security Forces out. Phil, at its heart for viewers who are not perhaps completely savvy with what is happening here, what is this conflict about . Reporter it started a few months ago when the Ukrainian Government decided at the last minute that it would not pursue a closer relationship with europe and instead wanted to favor its relationship its historic relationship with russia and rebuild that relationship. Move the economy closer to russia again. Ukraine ace country thats really split down the middle between those who consider themselves ukrainian and close to europe, those who consider themselves closer to russia. So there is the divide. And the people on the street here and in other ukrainian cities are those that are so angry with the idea of moving closer to russia that they are prepared to really put their lives at risk and try and mount their own revolution, piers. Very dangerous, fluid, volatile situation. Phil black thank you very much. Please stay safe there tonight. Big story now, reaction to what we just heard from giuliani jil Rudy Giuliani. Rudy welcome first of all. Uprisings in kiev, venezuela. Are there any parallels . What is going on in both these countries . There are parallels. One is much more long term than the other. The parallels are to a very autocratic, oppressive government where people are seeing whats going on in the rest of the world and want some freedom for themselves. In the case of the ukraine, its a much deeper, longer struggle. These are people who have wanted to be part of the European Union for the last 10, 12 years. The orange revolution. Thought that they had kind of brought it there. Unfortunately there were setbacks. And then yushenko won the election, probably a corrupt elections with putin kind of organizing things for him. The country was very much behind making moves to joint European Union until russia came in and threatened them really. And i think what you see in the streets are people wanting to become a modern country. As long as they are under the domination of russia they will never be a modern country. As long as theyre a quasi member of the soviet union, which is what they used to be, theyre never going to be able to become a modern country. Twothirds of the country supports that, maybe even three quarters. At what point does the United States get involved in either whats happening in kiev or whats happening in venezuela . I think the administration has done a pretty good job. You know i dont say that too much, right . I think the administration has done a pretty good job of supporting the people in kiev and the people in the ukraine who want to join the European Union in fact i think theyre actually out in front of the European Union which occasioned the comment about the European Union that was so controversial. But i think kind of a source of frustration that europe wasnt helping us do enough. Military action, maybe some support, maybe some help. I dont know you want to do a military invention. That would just invite a Russian Military intervention. Rudy, im going to talk to later in the show a director of a powerful documentary oscar nominated about Tahrir Square and the uprising in egypt and all the consequences there. Has not gone very smoothly, the transition to freedom and democracy, whatever you want to call it the arab spring. What are the lessons we can learn from egypt . In particular if you try to connect the dots here with other uprisings, kiev, venezuela, whatever. We have to know what were replacing the bad guy with. In mubarek we went from bad to worse. And gadhafi possibly. Kiev we really dont have that problem in kiev there is a very substantial twothirds, three quarters of the population that would like to be a liberal democracy tied to europe. I dont think that issue exists in kiev. Venezuela it may exist. Venezuela weve been cut off from for a long time. There is a very large middle class in venezuela. There are a lot of of business interests in venezuela. My guess is if we could get rid of this government we would end up with a better government in venezuela. But that might have more of the risk that we see in egypt and some of the other places. Are the egypt People Better off or worse off because of the arab spring uprising . Thats a very good question. And a very hard question to answer yes or no. I would say theyre better off with an awful lot of blood, unfortunately, spilled to get there. Maybe that wasnt necessary to have all that blood spilled. They went through the brotherhood phase, the generals are too oppressive but theyre a lot better off with the generals than they were with the brotherhood. And i think ultimately theyre going to move further toward democracy. I think it will eventually work out but its been a very rocky period of time. Lets turn to something id like to know, which is the jimmy fallon debut. You popped up. Lets take a look. I lost a bet. What could i do . Lets take a look. To my buddy who said that id never be the host of the tonight show you know who your. You owe me 100 bucks, buddy. [ cheers and applause ] thank you for moving back to new york. It is a kind of iconic moment, isnt it . So few hosts of the show. For me a couple of things. First of all coming back to new york. When Johnny Carson left new york i was heart broken. Anybody who left new york i was always opposed to. I loved going on the letterman show because he stuck with new york. Its fabulous hes brought it back to new york. This is the place we should have the shows. We have a lot more interesting people to interview than the west coast. What do you think of his style . Jimmy . I know jimmy from being on saturday night live with him. I did a skit with him on saturday night live in the 1990s in which he played joe peschi and tracy morgan played mayor berry of washington and they tried to sell me drugs. Then jimmy fallon beat mayor berry over the head with a baseball bat. Then i sit with gjimmy at yanke games. Hes a rare talent. Combination of great stand up comedian, dancer, singer, actor. I think he may actually be a little more of a kind of oldfashioned variety show rather than just monologue. I think therell be the monologue but i think youll see a lot of skits, a little bit more like not quite like the old sid ceasar show. He just died. Which i grew up on. What was the atmosphere like backstage . There i was with joe namath and lady gaga who my daughter went to high school with. Really . Yes. She was a different lady gaga. Wonderful bit of name dropping. A little bit different when she was at sacred heart academy. Than the lady gaga i saw last night. I had to kind of go like that with my eyes. Mariah carey. Do you ever get offended by any of these late night guys . You mean when they attack me . Yeah. No, gosh, i went on the letterman show 20 times. Dave would attack me sometimes. I went on the leno show and leno would attack me. Its part of the humor. I always loved snl. They used to do a pretty good job on me. I even hosted it once. Lets talk object ted nugent. He hit the campaign trail with greg abbott, normaler attorney general. He said this about president obama. I have obviously failed to galvanize and product if not shame enough americans to be ever vigilant not to let a chicago communistraised, communisteducated, communistnurtured subhuman mongrel like the akorn Community Organizer gangster barack hughes san obama to weasel his way into the top office of the United States of america. He said that in january. I can normally deal with ted nugent in a fairly comedic way. Ive got to say that i thought was incredibly offensive. You dont talk about the president of the United States in that manner, a subhuman mongrel. Of course you dont. Republican, democrat, doesnt matter. The president of the United States is entitled to our respect. I disagree with many of Barack Obamas policies. Dont think hes been a very good president. I think hes a fine man. I dont see anything about president obama, understand me, a very fine man, very fine family man. I believe he truly believes what hes trying to do. I truly believe hes wrong. But hes a man of principle. I have tremendous respect for the fact that he not only is the president. I have respect for the fact that he is trying to execute what he truly believes are the right things for the country, which i think is absolutely the wrong thing for the country. But to do those kinds of attacks should a gop party candidate, a longstanding party member like abbott, should he be having someone like ted nugent around him if hes going to be saying stuff like this . I suspect he wont be around for the next appearance. Rudy, when we come back i want to talk to you about the michael dunn case, not dissimilar to the George Zimmerman case and both their claims to be victims here, the real victims. Ben [ train whistle blows ] oh, that was close. You aint lying. Let quicken loans help you save your money with a mortgage thats engineered to amaze. And let in the dog that woke the man who drove to the control room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. Find parking space. 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Michael dunn and George ZimmermanGeorge Zimmerman. Two unarmed black teenagers shot dead. This is a clip here from michael dunn talking to his fiancee which came out today. I was thinking about that today. I was like im the [ mute ] victim here. I was the one who was victimized. I mean, i dont know how else to put it. Like they attacked me. Im the victim. Right. Im the victor, but i was the victim, too. I mean, there are many disturbing aspects of even that one exchange. Right. The laughter, the slightly sneering tone. But the sense that he and George Zimmerman both feel theyre still the victims even though these two kids are dead, and that he goes further and says that he was the victor. What do we do, rudy . This is a wider question for you i think as somebody whos had to tackle gun violence new york. Right. What do we do about the fact that the gun appears in these two gentlemens hands to have emboldened them to become killers when in many countries around the world they wouldnt be that embold and because they wouldnt have a firearm in their hands. I dont agree with you, piers. I dont think its the gun, its two very strange individuals. Zimmerman and dunn are different. I dont think the two cases are the same. Zimmerman got acquitted. He got found not guilty. This guy got convicted of 25 years to life. So that jury did not accept his explanation. Maybe they didnt find him guilty of first degree murder. But they found him guilty of attempted murder. And hes going to face a bare minimum of 25 years in jail to the rest of his life in jail. If he thinks he was the victor hes a real fool. Right. I think theres no question of that. Hes also from other transcript that is came out a racist clearly, too. But again i come back to this issue of the gun. There are not many countries of the 23 richest countries in the world where a dispute over noise or a kid looking suspicious walking along a street or as we saw somebody texting the Baby Care Center when hes watching a movie with his girlfriend that would lead to somebody being shot dead. And yet all the time now in america were hearing that this casual loss of life through guns. Right. At what point does the gun itself not become a major issue . Well, the gun is a major issue. It has to be handled in the right way, controlled in the right way. But the reality is that most of this comes about because we have these disturbed human beings who are carrying out these acts. Weve had mass murders in countries in europe, and we have murder rates in some countries that are greater than murder rates in the United States. Im not talk about the mass shootings. And im not even sure that these people that im talking about, whether its zimmerman or dunn or the retired Police Captain in the movie theater, i dont think they would be categorized necessarily as mentally unstable. They would probably pass every background check. Its the ready willingness of people to walk around armed and getting into disputes and settling it with a gun how do you change that culture . You change the culture by changing the way people behave, not necessarily by the gun. The reality is that i remember a case in florida about seven or eight years ago, two people were on a line waiting to get into a movie theater. They got into a dispute and one man killed the other man with his fists. I remember another one where he killed someone with a knife. So i dont think were youre going to stop that by just concentrating on the gun. I took more guns out of new york city than probably any mayor. Right. You did take tough action. I took guns out of the hands of bad people. But the idea that decent people who have guns cant protect themselves with guns, thats a valid idea. Its in our constitution. Not much we can do about it. You can make the argument that having a gun protects as much as it hurts. What we have to do is concentrate on keeping it out of the hands of bad people. We got to take all the illegal guns off the streets. Weve got to penalize people who have guns and use them improperly. But youre fighting a losing battle if you think youre going to take guns out of america. Just not going to happen. Its too much a part of our culture. Beyond that its in our constitution. Be interesting to come back and have that conversation 100 years, rudy. 100 years from now we can do it. Lets try to preserve your life and mine and come back in the next 100 years. In the next ten there have got to be other strategies we could use. Theyve tried this for 30 years. It doesnt work. You got to understand the culture of the United States and the constitution of the United States and then you have to work with it. I thought i did. I think thats how i reduced murder by 60 . You did a lot of good stuff on guns. Britain used to be a massive gun culture country and were not anymore. 29 murders last year. Youre much more homogenous country and easier to do things like that. Were a much more diverse country. We have this whole history both cultural and constitutional with guns thats very, very difficult to override. So you have to kind of figure out how to work with it and then bring down the number of guns. Rudy giuliani, making a lot of sense as always. Good to see you. Thank you, piers. A pleasure. The violence tonight in kiev a lot like what we saw three years ago in Tahrir Square. Thats the square the oscar nominated documentary film. Welcome to you. Its incredibly powerful, also incredibly good timing. Because youre now seeing in kiev and venezuela other uprisings. None of them are exactly the same. The general i guess thread of them all is young people in particular saying we have had enough. When we look at egypt, this is what your film centers on, i asked Rudy Giuliani earlier, are the egyptian People Better off or are they worse off because of the arab spring uprising. What do you think . Well, just to talk about what you were saying earlier, it is incredible. Its incredible that there are squares that have been exploding around the world. And although the particulars of each situation are different, it is about young people that are claiming their rights. And people dish think whats important to remember is that those people in egypt are still fighting to claim their rights. Were talking about an ongoing struggle. And its a dark time in egypt. There are people that are in jail. Is there any real difference between the way egypt is being run now by the military to the way it was being run for the last 40 years, albeit with ma both mubarek as a figure head . Have things improved . Have they moved on . If you see the film you see it focuses on three characters who are struggling for change in egypt. And whats happening right now in terms of the military taking control again, many people have said, okay, this is a really dark time. Because weve gone back to square one. If you talk to our characters and people on the ground, though, they are deeply optimistic. Because they know that struggle is going to happen o