Behavior in the locker room . Its president s day, what better day to ask how president obamas doing. George zimmerman still claiming hes a victim in the Trayvon Martin case. Joining me now is nancy grace, on hln every night. Before we start, let me play exactly what George Zimmerman said about him as a victim here. I certainly wasnt a victim when i was having my head bashed into the concrete and my nose broken and beaten. I wouldnt say i was not a victim. And i try not to think about that too much, because i theres nothing i can do about being a victim or not being a victim. That was to Cnns Chris Cuomo this morning. Nancy, i watched that as it unfolded this morning on cnn. The whole idea of a banner headline with George Zimmerman, headline, i was a victim. What do you make of it . Well, its very, very disturbing. And frankly, hes got a lot of nerve, Trayvon Martin is dead. At least zimmerman is going to get out and do his artwork online and sell it for 100 grand and his groupies, and boxing matches for charity. While trayvon mart season never getting out of his coffin. Zimmerman needs to go away and stop rubbing salt in my wound. I want to play another clip here. This is when zimmerman talks about the night itself and his feelings on what he should have done. I think about that night. And think my life would be tremendously easier if i had stayed home. What struck me was this narcissism of all this. Really, all hes thinking about is his own life, him being a victim, when Trayvon Martin, a 17yearold unarmed teenager is dead. Im sure that in his own mind he feels victimized, you would expect at this point for him to be able to show enough class, enough dignity to not try to seek that manned el and mandate. And talk more about the harm and the pain and suffering of the Trayvon Martin family, when you dont see that, and you see the other side, whether itsed arrest or the other stuff. You feel like, not only did the guy get away with, he doesnt seem to have learned very much. Thats what seems to hurt people who care about this situation, hopefully the country learned something, but apparently zimmerman did not. Wait, you expected zimmerman to learn something from this . One can pray. There are reams and reams and reams of when he wanted to catch a black youth. He did it, he shot him dead. I dont expect him to learn anything. Ben ferguson, can you construct for me any form of rational defense for the way zimmerman is currently behaving . Well, i do think hes a victim of his own stupidity at this point. I mean, this happens to you, and you could say, look, im a victim of the obsession of the spotlight on this case. You might say, ill never be able to live without worrying that someones going to try to come after me, but that is the extent of it, i dont understand why he doesnt realize just go away. Just walk away from the cameras. You dont have to do the interviews, you dont have to sit down and tell your story. And youre not your story is not a sad story. Youre not some sort of victim from what happened after the fact. Now, that night, to be honest with you, no one really wants to hear about you becoming a victim regardless of the fight, regardless of the possible screams for help. Regardless of the facts of the case. I dont think he wants to live in he wont walk away from this. Before i come back to you nancy, i got into a Twitter Exchange with George Zimmerman after i tweeted youre not a victim George Zimmerman, youre someone who killed a 17yearold boy. And thats indisputably what he is, whether you agree with the final verdict or not, everyone knows and he accepts he killed a boy who it turned out was unarmed. He replied this, god bless you, you will be in my prayers which is a theme only god can judge me, its between me and him, now. That kind of religious defense. When i come to some of the other tweets in a moment, him relying on his religion on his faith, on god that hes only really now answerable to god, what did you make of that . Well, i really dont think god and jesus reallien watt to be dragged into George Zimmermans tweeting with you. But since you brought it up, i think hes in a position where he doesnt know what to say back. And you were talking about how somebody was, about him suffering, because he cant live in anonymity, he doesnt want anonymity, he wants this type of attention, hes living off of it, hes making money off of it, his last picture he traced, i think he stole it from ap. He made 100,000 off of not being anonymous, thats blood money. The more we talk about him, and put him on tv, the more money he makes off killing Trayvon Martin, thats what im saying. Okay. Let me turn back to you. Van jones, this exchange became quite an illuminating exchange about the kind of personality George Zimmerman has, i said, well, since youre citing god, George Zimmerman, try this, thou shalt not kill, exdouse 20 13. To which he said, when godless, i will see you in court. You cant shred and delete emails fast enough amigo. Anyone who doesnt go along with his way of looking at this he can sue. Which i thought was an extraordinarily deluded way of looking at this. When people go through things, they do become more religious. I dont challenge him for that, i think thats a good thing, maybe the only good thing ive heard, hes trying to do something along those lines. Thats a good thing. The problem is, you dont have to engage. And then when you start engaging, and then you someone says something you dont like, you think you can sue them, take them to court, you think you can do something, thats a problem. Somebody does something you dont like, youre going to whether its your girlfriend, Trayvon Martin, youre going to get them, youre going to do something. Its the same pattern, the problem is, you put this stuff on full display, and everyone can see it, and you wonder why people dont want to have anything to do with it. After he shot Trayvon Martin, did he find god and before he pulled a knife on his girlfriend . Pulling god or christ out of your back pocket and slinging them around. I dont think thats a good thing. I dont think its slinging them around. Youre making the case for him as in saying that hes a victim. Because youre saying hes a killer. Well, a court said it was selfdefense. So hes not let me finish. If you are George Zimmerman, do you want to be labelled as a do you want to be labelled as a killer when the court said that it was selfdefense . You obviously dont like the opinion of the court, piers, you dont either. No, no, no, no, no. Im not you keep referring to it as if hes a murderer. Im not saying anything about that court decision. I made my feelings clear, thats irrelevant. Im disputing the fact that you dont think hes a killer. Hes a murderer, and when you act as if he went out there and just started shooting at people or walked up and started killing someone cold blooded. What do you think happened, the boy was unarmed, just like with michael dunn, he killed an unarmed youth. I dont know if youve ever nancy, nancy, nancy tried cases or dealt with the legal system, but to me, thats open and shut. Someone is dead, thats a murder. Youre totally leaving out the core part of what the jury and thank goodness you werent on that jury, they looked at the facts and you dont want to deal with the fact that there was look around yourself, are you in a court of law . Youre in a tv studio. Were not so are you. Let me Say Something here, i want to Say Something here. Yeah, i sure am. First of all, he certainly is a killer, the question is whether he is a murderer, the court said hes not a murderer, they said he was justified with selfdefense, using a law that a lot of people have objections to. The reality is, he is a killer, he did take a life, and he has to live with that, my problem with the whole situation is, increasingly, youre seeing him when hes not in the news for doing something dangerous toward a member his girlfriend, whoever it is, his exwife, hes jumping into the media for no reason at all. I think that is a part of the problem here. Well, van. Hen watted to be a big shot out there, he wanted to be this superhero, and now he has nothing going for him but to keep relitigating this. Thats the problem. Its the tone he adopts when he adopts this. Another tweet i sent me, piersy you will get what you deserve. Treating the whole thing as a bit of a joke. Underlying it, a certain reaction airy tone. A menacing tone against someone he cant control. No matter what, everything was not allowed to get in front of that jury, juries are not perfect, theyre just the best thing weve got. You have this threatening menacing tone against you, against anybody who doesnt agree with him. And yet people want to pretend this guy lets take a short break, i want to carry on this in another block, we have the michael dunn case, almost an identical scenario, really of a man finding himself in a conflict with a 17yearold unarmed young black boy. And he ends up killing him. And he has not been convicted of murder. Lets get to the verdict after the break. 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A 17yearold young black teenager minding his own business, playing a bit of music a little too loudly. And an older man coming over, poking his nose in, where he hadnt been asked to, making false assumptions, and shooting him dead and not being convicted of murder. Whats going on here . Is it a florida issue . Or a cultural issue . What is it . Well, a lot of people suggest its a florida issue. When you look at tot mom and zimmerman, and now this i get it. But the thing about florida, they are the only state that have cameras in the courtroom no questions asked. So we see whats happening in the courtroom. At least zimmerman had one band aid on the back of his head. Remember that band aid he had on the back of his head . Michael dunn didnt even have that. He admitted to police that he may have imagined that the teen, jordan davis had a gun. There was no gun. There was never a gun. And the jury verdict is very, very disturbing. Now many people will say, you know what, just take what you got, its 60 to 90 years guaranteed. I as a crime victim myself, i dont agree with that, i think the case regarding this boy, jorden davis needs to be retried for murder one. Here are my problems with this. If dunn and zimmerman had not been carrying guns, then these two young boys who were unarmed as it turned out, regardless of any fear they had been felt by the people shooting the guns, they would be alive, right . Theres a gun accessibility are you back on gun control again . If it werent for the british, we won the have to have gun to protect ourselves. The british were running through all of our homes trying to take our stuff. Were protected under the constitution. Its not right for a brit to jump up and Start Talking to us about gun control. You will be unsurprised to hear i couldnt disagree with you more. It comes down to a brit because you cant sort out your own gun problems. Lets not talk about gun control, because nancys made her statement, and i have reposted. Lets talk about racial profiling or the fear element in here of an older man coming face to face with a black teenager and fearing he was going to be shot and using that as justification to kill that teenager dead. I think theres two cases. One is, you had an altercation, you had zimmerman who called police, this dunn case is totally different. Not only does he shoot someone he unloads on a car fleeing the scene. And he didnt have to do that. The other issue is, he didnt call the police. Which means he knew he probably did something incredibly wrong and was afraid that someone may have been shot or killed because of his actions. If youre in the right, you dont have a problem calling 911, theres a difference there zimmerman did call 911, he didnt just have a band aid as nancy said. He had blood coming from his nose and there was a struggle on the ground. As a victim of crime you should know that doesnt matter. Id like to see what you do if someone was beating you up and youre on the ground, nancy . What are you going to get up . I wouldnt shoot an unarmed person. He knew he wasnt supposed to be out with a gun, that was a rule of neighborhood watch. He goes out, looking to find somebody, and he does. What a surprise. Van jones. The reality, neither michael dunn nor George Zimmerman had poked their nose into other peoples business without any good reason, they would both those boys be alive. Thats what my problem is. Is there a racial element to these two stories which links them . I think there is. These stories just chill my blood, theyre heartbreaking, very hard, you dont know how youre supposed to raise your kids. Neither one of these boys who are dead, theyre not involved in gangs or any of that stuff. Most americans now are on dr. Kings side. Do you think that white people are better than black people, they will tell you no they can pass a lie detector test. Thats a huge victory given 400 years where that wasnt true. The problem is its the sub conscious mind thats doing the work here. You can show pictures of africanamerican boys and young men they dont register with their faces. Even though 85 of the white people who are killed are actually killed by white people, white people are afraid of black people. Statistically, thats insane. Theres a stereo tape that gets in there, we need to upgrade our loss to take advantage of what we know about the brain science. I have to leave it there, because you guys have to go. Watch nancy grace nightly on hln at 8 00 p. M. Figures just out yesterday, showed that the total number of gun murders in england and wales for 2012, 13 for the year, 29. Just as you said earlier, mind your own business. Right, nancy, im going to put my nose into your business for a moment. Mind your own business. Be glad im not packing heat, piers. 29 gun murders in one calendar year, the lowest since 1980. Thats 34 years. You know what, piers. Ive spent my whole legal career fighting gun violence. So youre preaching to the choir. Let me say one thing, i do believe i spent my whole legal career fighting violence. In florida, i believe there should be a mind your own business law. The stand your ground law should be repealed, there should be a mind your own business law. Stop going up to kids and challenging them and trying to police their music or whatever. Mind your own business law. Im in favor of that. Thank you both for joining me. It was good to have you all. Thank you very much. When we come back, president obamas dropping approval rating, does it matter . And the newest member of the cnn family talking about that. Another president on president s day. Listen to what george w. Bush said about his Wounded Warriors on the show. 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