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We will get to that in a moment. Joining us now we have dr. Sanjay gupta and cnn political director david chalian. Sanjay, when the White House Coronavirus Task Force Says that we are seeing unrelenting Community Spread in the midwest and the upper midwest, you know, often obviously we know the white house messaging from President Trump is completely different than what the White House Coronavirus Task Force Says, but what does that mean . If, sanjay, you were the head of the White House Coronavirus task force if only. And if President Trump would listen to you if only. What would you do today . First of all, if i had been in a job like that i wish i could have been in a job like that from the start and had people listen from the start because, you know, the patient is a lot sicker now and is going to require a lot more aggressive treatment. Having said that, i think simply sort of relying on this idea that well wait several months for the vaccine to come and we are not going to do anything in the meantime is a terrible idea. I would look at the evidence of what has worked and start applying it and i would do it, you know, fairly aggressively to start because weve really got to break the cycle of transmission. Pick an example from around the world where you see strategies that have worked and understand why they have worked. Look to europe and see what theyre doing to get a glimpse of what we may need to do. There are three main things right now. The masks are crucial. This is a tiny strand of genetic material ultimately, it cant jump that far, its fairly easily contained by a mask, doesnt like to be outdoors. Start getting that into peoples heads, wear a mask whenever you go outside, it will make a huge difference, stop large public gatherings and indoor cluster gatherings like bars where you cant wear a mask that needs to stop for a period of time. In places where transmission is really getting out of control we may need to do these Circuit Breaker lockdowns where people stay home for a period of time just with the goal of breaking that cycle of transmission. Spread people out, the virus will have a hard time jumping from person to person. Instead we hear testing is leading to more cases, with he see the president taking his mask off as soon as he gets out of the hospital. Were aggregating people together at rallies in the middle of a pandemic. The Vice President is out complaining wh campaigning when he should be quarantined. I would do the opposite of everything were doing right now and it would probably make a big difference. Wow. Okay, sanjay, like i said, if only you had been leading the Coronavirus Task force. I want to play you what dr. Fauci what he says about the direction were heading in right no now. Theres going to be a whole lot of pain in this country with regard to additional cases and hospitalizations and deaths. We are on a very difficult trajectory. We are going in the wrong direction. David chalian, thats the backdrop to the question that i want to ask you this morning. Its great to have you on so i can ask this question. Where are we right now in the president ial race . Whats happening . What are we hearing today . Whats happening is that the virus is closing in around President Trump in these final days. Just listening to the headlines as alisyn went through them and hearing that four of the worst five days have been in the last week. As a president ial election is coming to a close that has shaped up to be a referendum on President Trump and specifically on his handling of this pandemic. I mean, that is just politically never mind the Health Disaster that is for the president in these closing days of the campaign, that is so politically perilous for him to have this uptick, this upswing happening precisely as hes asking americans to renew his contract for four years. David, i want to stick with you for a second. We have yet another window into what was going on behind the scenes rather than what they were saying publicly, behind the scenes we know courtesy of bob woodward and the audiotapes that he has, this one is from Jared Kushner about their strategy and it was all political strategy. I mean, he just spells it out that they that they were very proud that they were side lining the doctors and they were going to be announcing a big come back regardless of the numbers, regardless of what was actually happening on the ground, and here he is in his own words. The last thing was kind of doing the guidelines, which was interesting, and that in my mind was almost like, you know, it was almost like trump getting the country back from the doctors, right, in the sense that what he now did was, you know, hes going to own the open up. There were three faces, there was the panic phase, the pain phase and come back phase. It doesnt mean there is not still a lot of pain and wont be pain for a while, but that basically was weve now put out rules to get back to work, trump is now back in charge, its not the doctors, theyve kind of we have like a negotiated settlement. Negotiated settlement, david, like its a divorce. Its an adversary. Yes, everything is a battle. They cant work together, there cant be cooperation, it has to be fauci versus the president , the white house versus the doctors and, you know, here we are. I mean, as john was saying he said he doesnt think that the white house has been heeding dr. Faucis words for six to seven months. You dont have to think it, Jared Kushner told you right there, the president got it back from the doctors. He wasnt at all interested. By the way, look at the date on that on that sound. April 18th in that conversation with bob woodward. That was a month into this crisis after the shutdowns and trying to get your arms around this crisis and look where we are now. That was the mindset just a month into it. I mean, it just shows you how poorly managed this was from the getgo. I just want to say its the same message the president is delivering on the stump right now. Its the same message that the pandemic is not a big deal, that the economy is a bigger deal to me, that weve turned the corner even though its not true. Joe biden has the same mess aag which is the president is saying it doesnt matter. Sanjay, just one question on the progress some of the progress we are seeing in some places. There is some optimism on some of the therapeutics, the antibody treatments, there has been a new round of research on how effective they may be with people with mild symptoms who receive them early. No question, the antibody treatments make a lot of sense, right . If you give a vaccine the goal is for the vaccine to teach your body to make antibodies, these proteins that will help fight the virus. The other option is just give the antibodies directly. They are not going to last as long as the vaccine does, but it may last a little bit of time. Theres two companies now, eli lilly and regeneron and we can show you sort of specifically what the antibody treatments might do. The goal, again, is to get it typically in patients who have milder disease, moderate disease, this is to help prevent the infection from leading to significant illness. Its one infusion with this eli lilly and we dont know how long those antibodies that are given will last, but possibly one to two months. What weve seen from the regeneron data is that it does seem to decrease the viral load in the nose and the mouth and thats significant, that makes you less likely to spread. Its, again, breaking these cycles of transmission. Will it trang blee cause it to decrease hospitalizations and it made a difference in terms of the likelihood that someone would have a shorter duration overall of symptoms. So thats those are very promising and theyre going to be emergency use authorizations that are applied for and looks like theyre going to be granted and theres hundreds of thousands of doses available. Look, i mean, theres still 40,000 people in the hospital, 40,000 to 45,000 people in the hospital right now so a lot of these types of treatments cant come soon enough and they will be used. There is another thing that i would add to my earlier ninepoint plan and that is testing as well. Ashish jha talked about this, michael mina talked about this, we could be in a different position in this country if we had widespread at home accurate rapid testing. Imagine being able to test yourself every day when youre putting in your contact lenses or brushing your teeth and getting an idea as to whether or not you are positive or negative. If youre positive you stay home, if youre negative you can go out. As you start to incorporate that strategy into the country as well, you start to really break down the cycles of transmission. That would be so helpful. David, switching gears, lets talk about these Important Supreme Court decisions last night that involve how long North Carolina and pennsylvania, important battleground states, can extend their deadline for receiving mailin ballots. Yeah, i mean, this is a couple victories for democrats here. What theyre looking forgiven the pandemic, you know, alisyn, more americans are voting by mail than have ever done that before and some of these states like a pennsylvania have almost no experience dealing with this kind of volume of absentee and mail voting. So what the Supreme Court did was allow the Lower Court Rulings to stay in place, which is allowing for pennsylvania everything has to be postmarked by election day. People cant wait until after the election to send in their ballots, its got to be postmarked by election day, but gives the officials in pennsylvania three days after the election to keep counting those as they come in as long as theyre postmarked by election day and in North Carolina i think its extended to nine days perhaps after election day. Its also interesting to note the newest justice on the court, amy coney barrett, did not participate in these rulings from the Supreme Court last night. So a lot of democrats were fearing she was going to immediately get on the court and start being involved in electionrelated decisions. That has not happened at least in these cases last night. One point thats key in pennsylvania is the ballots received after november 3rd will be segregated, counted but segregated and the Supreme Court didnt rule out taking up this case again after november 3rd. So i know thats something the democrats are a little bit concerned about. David chalian, sanjay, thank you both very much. Michigan is such an important state. Whats the situation on the ground there . That is a state that donald trump flipped four years ago. Where is it headed now . Weve got reports from the ground and we will speak to a key member of congress from that state next. Water . Why . ahhhh incoming ahhhahh im saved water tastes like, water. So we fixed it. Mio. Both President Trump and joe biden have plans to make Campaign Stops in the crucial battleground state of michigan before the polls close on tuesday. Miguel marquez is live in detroit. Miguel, michigan is so important. Reporter all roads lead through michigan. Officials say as many as 5 million michiganders will vote in this election and more than two thirds of the votes will be in before election day because they have absentee mailin balloting here. They also say if you want your vote to count today do not mail it in, drop it off at a Clerks Office or at a drop box around the state. Thats the surest way to make sure that your vote will count on election day. Polls here have biden consistently up, the latest abc News Washington post poll has him at 51 , the president at 44 . He is up over 50 , significant, thats something neither candidate could do back in 2016. That same poll, the pandemic here ascendant, people very concerned about it, the caseload is up here across michigan as well. Who do you trust to handle the pandemic . 53 for biden, 39 for President Trump, he just whoops the president on the pandemic here. The president was here in michigan already, he will be here again on friday, joe biden will be here on saturday along with barack obama who has just laced into his successor, President Trump, in the three other rallies that weve seen. So we expect much the same here in michigan. Back to you guys. Miguel, thank you very much. Joining us now is democratic congresswoman Debbie Dingle of michigan. Congresswoman, great to see you, as always. So you had your finger on the pulse last time around in 2016, you were one of the soul voices that was trying to get peoples attention and saying there could be trouble for hillary in michigan, you wrote, i will quote your words back to you, i was the crazy one. I predicted that Hillary Clinton was in trouble in michigan during the democratic primary, i observed that donald trump could win the republican nomination for president and at rotary clubs, local chambers of commerce, union halls and mosques, i noted we could see a trump presidency. So, madam fortune teller, what are you seeing this time around on the ground . So, good morning, alisyn. Always good to be with you. Its tightening here in michigan. I am out there probably doing more than i should, but im always masked, and yesterday i had some of the auto workers who i thought were going to go back to joe biden, were very clear with me last night they were voting for President Trump. And i think what were seeing now is that on the ground people have to turn out their note. As you noted President Trump is coming back on friday, my grapevine tells me he will probably be back again before election day. President obama and joe biden will be here and its coming down to who theyre targeting and who is going to turn out. I think democrats need to talk to the working men and women of the auto industry, those hard core workers that have been the backbone of our economy. Isnt joe biden doing that . Isnt he talking to those folks . He is talking to them. I want to make it clear the Biden Campaign is listening. But i think in these last days people are focused on turning out the detroit, flint votes, which matter greatly and may not quite be at the numbers people would like to see and suburban women, but we can and im not saying that strongly now after the last two days on the ground, we cant forget the auto worker, steelworker, steam ster whose jobs they have lost and are worried about and want to know as democrats we care. Are you saying that the tightening youre seeing suggests that the economy is as or more important than coronavirus and that joe biden somehow isnt messaging to those folks well enough . I think joe biden and the ad campaigns are you know, reach voters in many different ways. We have to make sure were talking look, you want to know what an auto worker said to me last night, he said im tired of your democratic friends, they look down on me. I said thats not true about joe biden, he categorically does not. A little of what i said four years ago that president obama promised to save our jobs, he did, but a lot of workers lost their jobs in 2008 or didnt get a pay raise for a long time. We have to remember that working men and women are really worried. Even as we talk about i was listening to you saying wouldnt it be great if people could get up and test for covid every day. Do you know who is not going to be able to afford that test or how theyre going to be able to do it . The frontline workers, the people in the grocery stores, the people who arent making as much money as they want to make. These are issues weve got to remember as democrats. And so i know that youve said that the Biden Campaign is listening, theyre responsive. Whats your advice to them today . I gave it to them last night when i came home. We have to focus, we have to find ways that we can focus on making sure that were talking to white Union Workers in these next few days as well as focusing on the other numbers. Look, i dont believe any of the polls, i dont think anybody is up tremendously, i think its competitive. I think joe biden is up right now, i think President Trump is going to make a hard push here and weve got to push back and weve got to push back on covid, too. People are scared about covid. What are you seeing in the senate race . I know that that has shifted, maybe the dynamic, this month. I think that for me that senate race has been competitive for a year. I think it is competitive. People need to take it seriously. I think gary peters is doing that. Hes really working hard right now, but, you know, theres split ticket voters that say, okay, im going to support joe biden, i want a balance, im going to vote for john james. Some people you know, we had 90,000 voters that didnt even vote in the president ial election last time. Weve got to make sure that people vote in the president ial and the senate race. So im not you know, im not sounding the alarm bells like i was four years ago, but its competitive, its tight, every vote matters and on the ground weve got to deliver our votes and make sure were talking to people respectfully and including everybody. Congresswoman Debbie Dingle, we appreciate you sharing with us what youre seeing on the ground. We will talk to you soon. Thank you. Okay. We have some breaking news right now. Theres been this deadly terror attack inside a church in nice, france. 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