The National Security crisis in the country right now. Cnn National Political reporter maeve rusten joins us and myles taylor served as former chief of staff at the department of Homeland Security for President Trump and david sangers writing, the biggest threat comes from the president of the United States himself. Its as if the Intelligence Community could put out an official bulletin warning right now. Obviously they wont. If you were still working there and this kind of thing could happen, what would be the warning you would issue to the American People . Well, its really difficult right now. In fact, john, hes put these departments and agencies in an impossible position because these departments and agencies are prepared to fight threats from outside the United States. But they cant fight threats from within, especially when the threat is their own boss. Ive got to say, i would echo david sangers words that the president of the United States has really fulfilled our adversarys dreams by engaging in this rhetoric. So i think its an enormous challenge. Im not sure what type of bulletin they could issue, what they need to be doing is speaking truth to power and convincing the president to change his rhetoric. Maeve, President Trump sometimes says exactly what he means. And we should listen. And what he keeps saying basically over and over is that he will not accept the Election Results if he loses. He will fight it in the courts. He will not concede. He will claim that there was some sort of voter fraud or mailin ballot problem. Hes already doing that. Hes already priming the pump obviously for that, though all sorts of Election Officials everywhere coast to coast say, no, were not seeing any evidence of fraud. I mean, its happening in realtime. It is happening in realtime. And he talks about it at every single rally, every single public appearance that he has. And all of that is in part to stir up the passions of his supporters, to get them ready for this enormous confrontation that hes setting up in a couple of weeks here. And i think its really scary for the American People that you have the person who is in the highest office in the land stirring not only this kind of disinformation about the election and therefore trying to suppress the vote because people will think that voting by mail, for example, you know might be throwing their ballot away, even though thats absolutely not true. But also, you know, by continually making these calls to his supporters to get out there and be poll watchers and to be, you know, have Law Enforcement officials at the polls. That is clearly the definition of voter intimidation, which is something that weve been trying to stamp out in this country for decades now. He is literally calling for people to go to the polls. Which its a wash, not to vote, go and monitor the situation. Go and stir things up. Miles, just to read one more sentence from david sanger here, he says mr. Trumps unwillingness ability to say he will abide by the result and the Disinformation Campaign went beyond anything Vladimir Putin of russia could have imagined. So if you are Vladimir Putin this morning watching this, what do you think . Well, look, if im russia at this point, the message that im taking is stand back and stand by because the president of the United States is going to do the job for you in the meantime. This is exactly what beijing and moscow and teheran have hoped for. They have hoped that the president of the United States would take his rhetoric even further in the leadup to the election so they didnt have to sew discord. Now our adversaries are going to amplify what the president is saying. We have to reflect on that again. Our adversaries are just going to use the president s language because they dont feel like they need to do anything more. Again, hes doing their job for them. I saw the Threat Intelligence every single week about what our adversaries were trying to do here in the United States to sew discord to divide americans and to destroy our democratic process and our commander in chief right now is enabling that. Thats not hyperbole. It sounds like hyperbole. A few years ago i would have thought what im saying is crazy. Its the reality. Its the world were living in. Its the biggest National Security threat to the United States today. On that subject, miles, i want to stick with you for one second because you do know about National Security threats. What the president says, i dont know, i only see left wing violence, which is actually plausible since he only watches fox and as we know his the people who brief him sometimes have to shield him from information that he doesnt like. So he keeps trying he keeps refusing to say anything about right wing violence, and he just immediately pivots as you saw in the debate to what he wants to talk about which is antifa or left wing violence. Are these two things the same . Can you just give us the reality of what we should know . Well, look, the president always wants to pick a side. And he wants to pick the side that supports him. But donald trump has created n my opinion the favorable conditions that have allowed these domestic terrorist groups to rise. And again, another place where i saw the Threat Intelligence, the white house wanted to cover its eyes and wanted to cover its ears when it heard about domestic terrorism because they didnt want to Pay Attention to the right wing extremists that shea saw as a potential base of support. As a consequence the president s rhetoric has served as a loaded gun for those groups who have since taken his words as sort of permission to do what theyre doing. If you look at what happened in charlottesville, when the president said that there were fine people on both sides, those groups celebrated afterwards. Violent right wing and racial supremacist groups celebrated afterwards. In el paso, 23 people were killed in a domestic terrorist attack, the shooter in his manifesto used the president s own language of an invasion to justify the killings. Now we see the president saying the language that we invoked frequently now since the debate, stand back and stand by and the groups are celebrating. At the end of the day, alisyn, a Group Supports the president , he refuses to condemn them. In fact, he enables them with his words. Thats a big worry. Its contributing to the rise of these white supremacist violent organizations here in the United States. Let me read, in fact what Elizabeth Newman who you work with at the department of Homeland Security has written about this and the president s language. I work to develop policies laws and programs to better prevent domestic terrorism. Initially i thought the rebuffing was due to having other priorities. Defeat isis, counter iran. He also writes i conclude affidavit the attacks in el paso that the president was come police it in the deaths of the americans for his refusal to recognize his language in the shooters manifesto. He refused to condemn White Supremacy tonight. Maeve, yesterday the president would not say the words White Supremacy outloud he said, oh, ive always denounced all of that, that, he says. But refused to say the words. And now its beginning to put republicans on capitol hill and those runs for Office Around the country in a difficult position, isnt it . Absolutely because as weve seen over, you know, the last four years as hes done this at such a repeated pattern with him, this is exactly the kind of language and equivocation that has driven, for example, many women voters away from him. They dont want to have to try to explain to their children why you would see equivocation on White Supremacy from the president of the United States. It becomes a character issue. And so, its such an example of his biggest vulnerability, which is that if he believes a group, any group, no matter how abhorrent their ideology is likes him, then he refuses to do anything that he thinks will alienate him. And in this case, hes not only hurting himself by losing more of those women and other voters who drifted away from him but also hurting those down ballot republicans who now are going to have to spend the next couple weeks explaining his comments and where they stand on these issues. Thats interesting, maeve. Lets listen to them. Lets listen to what they felt they had to say to the microphones yesterday. I think he misspoke. I think he should correct it. If he doesnt correct it, i guess he didnt misspeak. Senator tim scott said it was unacceptable not to condemn white supremacists. And so i do so in the strongest possible way. The president condemn White Supremacy . Absolutely. Was it a mistake for him to leave that hanging out there . Yes. He should unequivocally condemn White Supremacy. You think voters will hold Susan Collins and the like responsible for President Trumps words . Yes. What they want to see from Susan Collins, those voters she absolutely needs is independence from the president and the ability to call him out when hes wrong. And in her case, she has walked such a careful tight rope on that and often probably has not gone far enough to bring those independent voters back into the fold. And this is just going to be another example of that. And i think its going to hurt the republicans all the way across the board. Maeve reston, miles, thank you both for being with us this morning. Appreciate your insight. Thank you. Seeing an exponential rise in coronavirus. Setting all kinds of records in the last 24 hours. So why is President Trump going to hold not one but two Campaign Rallies there this weekend . Next. [ thunder clap ] greetings mortal your journey requires liberty mutual. They customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Liberty power wow. That will save me lots of money. Youre insured this games boring. Lets get tacos. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Try optum perks. Its a new way to save up to 80 . And everyone can do it. Its from optum, a Health Care Company thats trusted by millions of people. You dont have to sign up for anything. Just go to optumperks. Com. And get a coupon to use at your pharmacy. Thats it. I opted in. I opted in. You can, too. Opt in and save big today. Nearly 1,000 new deaths reported in the United States from the coronavirus just yesterday. More than 42,000 new cases. Wisconsin set new records for daily deaths and hospitalizations. Look at those charts. The state ranked as the third highest in the country for new cases. The situation is bad there. President trump is going there and holding two mass gatherings. Two Campaign Rallies the middle of all this. Joining us now cnn chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. And aziz shah. Sanjay, wisconsin may be one of the worst places in terms of the coronavirus. Seems where you want to do more social distancing not less. So whats the impact of holding two large gatherings there right now . Well, i mean, if youre trying to create a recipe for potential superspreader events, i mean, that would be it. You go to a place where theres a lot of virus circulating and then you bring a lot of people together knowing that the chance of any of those people within that rally actually coming in contact with someone who is carrying the virus is much higher. And youre pointing out exponential growth there. We also know that the Positivity Rate in wisconsin is above 20 , meaning there is a significant percentage of people who are carrying the virus who dont know theyre carrying the virus. Theyre not doing enough testing there. This is a huge concern. It goes back to the conversations we were having in the spring. If we could see this virus and we treated this more like a storm, think of it like a hurricane, you would be asking people to shelter in place, not go out and aggregate in large numbers. So, its deja vu. We had this conversation before. Its the wrong thing to do. And thats what the White House Coronavirus task force is saying. They call this a red zone. So they call where the president is heading a red zone because it has the highest level of Community Spread basically in the country. Yeah. So good morning. And thanks for having me on. Three things about this. After the dakotas, wisconsin is the highest place in the world sorry in the country right now in terms of number of cases. Its three times red zone. Its not just red, its really, really deep red. I agree completely with dr. Gupta. This is not the time to hold a rally in wisconsin. So, lets talk about the vaccine situation right now. A astrazeneca had its trial put on pause from an Adverse Reactions from one of the patients involved in the research. It restarted in the uk and not in the u. S. Now theres new information from reuters reporting that there is this increased investigation surrounding all of this but yet we dont know, i guess, exactly what the details are. Whats beginning on here . Yeah. This sounds like its a much deeper investigation now, as you point out. Not only looking into this particular trial but also essentially looking into this type of vaccine platform, its called adno virus vaccine. Take an existing virus and scoop out the genetic material, put in some of the genetic material from the coronavirus and using that as the vaccine. Theyre going back and saying, hey, look, there may be a larger problem. We want to look at previous vaccines not only for the sars but mers in the past and other vaccines they created. We dont have a lot of details yet. We have some early indications from talking to people within the fda that they had larger concerns about this, more than just this one person with these side effects. So we dont know. But youre right. The pause is still in effect here in the United States. Is that mystery dr. Jha, surrounding this unusual . Is it unusual that astrazeneca hasnt been more forth coming . Should we know why theres this long pause . Well, the pause is pretty common. Pauses like this happen all the time in Clinical Trials. And the first thing i would say is that this is evidence that the fda oversight process is working. That theyre doing the deep investigation that is necessary. You know, people might argue that while we generally dont share the details around these things and i understand that, ive actually been calling for more transparency and ive been saying these are really unprecedented times and they need unprecedented transparency. So i do think without revealing any patient information that we should know more information. But, this is pretty common for how Clinical Trials run. Look. It would be good to get more of the science, the transparency there and hear from the scientists involved rather than the executives from the companies involved. The ones who are maybe most concerned about making money or as concerned or at least concerned about making money and not just the scientists looking for the fact. Just one very quick question about vaccines. Moderna, running a whole other trial, theyre now saying that their vaccine will be available if all things go well for wide distribution the middle of next year, but they also said something that i found very interesting they say theyre not going to be ready for emergency use approval application until the end of november at the earliest, dr. Jha. That means that two of the three of the earlier vaccine trials that would be astrazeneca which we noted is on pause and moderna, they wont happen before election day. It really does seem that the dates whether we realize it or not are slipping further and further. Yeah. So first of all, this is all happened at unprecedented speed. So, and everything has gone incredibly well so far. I dont think we would ever expect there to be no hiccups along the way. Just never happens. So this is all pretty consistent with timelines i think most of us were expecting. I think this is partly why we were getting frustrated when we heard politicians talk about getting a vaccine ready before election day. We have to let science drive this. Sanjay, i want to ask you about the largest study on earth about Contact Tracing and what it teaches us. So this was in india. And ill read to you what we know about it. The study based on a giant Contact Tracing effort involving more than 3 Million People in india shows that most covid19 patients never infected anyone else. The researchers found that 70 of infected people did not infect any of their contacts while 8 only 8 patients accounted for 60 of observed new infections. So in other words, some people are superspreaders themselves. Not just events, bu