Transcripts For CNNW New Day With Alisyn Camerota And John B

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second highest number of new cases over the last 24 hours. more than 1,000 coronavirus deaths for the second day in a row. that hasn't happened since may. in whatever scripted words the president is saying in his new briefings, he's way offscript in other places, insisting that testing, which scientists say is key to fighting the pandemic is overrated. but other republicans apparently disagree. overnight, they reached what they call fundamental agreement with the white house on a coronavirus relief bill that does include money for new testing. >> 143,000 americans have been killed by coronavirus. but president trump is pushing hard for schools to reopen, making false claims about children not getting sick and not transmitting the virus. a new poll finds that just 8% of americans think that schools should reopen, as usual. most people want some adjustments or a federal plan, which the white house has not offered. but the president can repeat the words person, woman, man, camera, tv. he says he can say those words in the correct order better than anyone else. in a moment, we'll show you how well he says those words and how often he repeats them. first, we have dr. ali khan, the dean of the nebraska medical center's of public health and dr. car b carballo. tell us what's happened today? >> what we're seeing in florida, like we talked about last time i was on the show, we're seeing an increase in hospitalizations now and deaths are also increasing. we had a record number of deaths reported on tuesday. so like i talked about earlier, it looks like we've hit our peak so far, which was 15,000 cases about a week and a half ago. right now, we're about 9,500 cases of new coronavirus cases that we're seeing. the bad part is, we'll have a lag of hospitalizations in about one to two weeks. a lot of these people, as they get older, there's going to be an increase in mortality, an increase in hospitalizations. right now in tampa, we have about 34 icu beds. that's pretty disconcerting. any spike in hospitalizations will put our er system and hospital systems in peril. that's what i'm most concerned about right now. >> dr. caraballo just raised the issue of hospitalizations. we have a chart and we are at almost exactly where we were in april and in the earlier peak of this pandemic. that's a real issue, especially now, that we've seen the second straight day of a thousand deaths, so what do you expect will happen the next few days and weeks when it comes to the daily deaths, dr. khan? >> good morning, john and alisyn. yeah, we've rolled back essentially two months' worth of process with what we're seeing with number of cases and number of deaths in the united states. and until we take the right strategy to get this disease contained, we're going to see more of the same. we'll continue to see 70,000 cases a day, continue to see 1,100 deaths. and again, if we do not get this disease controlled, we may well see this new staircase and get additional cases on top of the 70,000, as we sort of hopscotch across the united states. >> dr. khan, i want to stick with you for one second to get the big view that dr. fauci tried to present yesterday, where he again cautioned we're nowhere near the end. in fact, he's not sure we're even in the middle. listen to this. >> we are certainly not at the end of the game. i'm not even sure we're halfway through. we are living right now through an historic pandemic outbreak. and we are right now in a situation where we do not see any particular end in sight. >> so dr. khan, explain what that means for everyone in practical terms and what you mean by a staircase effect. >> so we have more cases now than we had in april. so we sort of peaked at 30,000 cases, plateaued, so we flattened the curve, but sure didn't contain the disease like the rest of the world as done successfully and now we're back up to 70,000 -- to 90,000 cases. and again, if we're going to plateau probably and don't get this down, we're at risk of additional cases. there's still 300 million americans that are susceptible to this disease, so there's a lot of people who can get infected and a whole lot of people who can die still. >> dr. carballo, you suggested that maybe florida has reached a peak, in other words, the growth in hospitalizations in new cases isn't rising or rising exponentially, but how long can you maintain the situation at that level, even if it has plateaued? and do you see any evidence that action is being taken to actually bend it downward? >> like i said, what i'm most concerned about now is hospitalizations and deaths due to covid. and even if we did hit passenger, we're not going to hit peak for a week to two weeks. and that's what happened in new york and new jersey. and we know from a crowded er, if you have boarding in the er, which means it takes over two hours to get the patients out of the er, the mortality of all patients increases 2%. if that increases to 12 hours, that means people are boarding in the er to five hours, that increases to 5 to 7%. if you come in with a heart attack and are boarding that long, it increases your mortality no matter what hospital you're in. that's what i'm most concerned about right now. what people can do at home, socially distance, wear masks, those are no-brainers. right now, in my opinion, every single state should have a mask ordinance. please stay at home and find ways to have people deliver stuff to your house. in florida, if you go out into a crowd of over 25 people, your chance of having one person having covid is about 80%. if you go anywhere in florida with over 50%, your chance of being in a crowd with someone with covid is 99%. >> as you know, in florida, they plan to open schools in a few weeks. >> yeah, i have three kids, i'm well aware. i think we can open schools, but we have to have a plan and a way to get there. we can't just make a goal and just say, let's go with it. we have to have a way. i think closing down, going back no square one would be a prudent thing. i think opening schools is certainly a good goal and the american academy of pediatrics has shown that in terms of children, it's best for them psychiatrically and psychologically, but we have to have a way to get there and we have to have a goal to get there and we have to have a plan to do it. we can't just like, you know, wish upon a star that schools are going to open. >> dr. khan, the president this morning or overnight, after his briefing which was scripted, once again goes out of his way to say testing is overrated. i know you think testing is essentia essential. >> without a doubt testing is essentially. how do you contain this disease as so many countries are getting down to zero without testing. we need to test people and act on those tests and need timely testing, number one. we need to make that data available, but act on that testing. what we're not hearing is how are we doing in the critical component of getting disease contained, which is test and trace. are we isolating cases? how long is it taking to isolate cases? are we finding those contacts? how many of those contacts are we finding? how many of our new cases are coming from contact lists? we're missing the biggest piece of the public health strategy to get this disease contained in our communities. go back to school and restart our economy. we're missing the biggest public health piece right now. >> you say right now, dr. khan. we're not -- there's no plan to do tracing, as far as we can tell. it seems like we're incapable of doing that. >> and we have been incapable of doing the most necessary thing to increase this disease, which is the community transmission piece. and the u.s. strategy is pretty clear. it's thinning the herd, work on vaccine, work on therapeutics and make sure you protect the vulnerable population. other countries, their strategy has been, let's get cases down to zero or as close to zero as we can, some have even eliminated the disease. and that's allowed them to essentially reopen their economies. >> dr. khan, dr. caraballo, thank you very much for giving us a status report and all of the information this morning. it's really interesting to talk to both of you. >> thank you very much! mask on! >> president trump is impressed with himself about his cognitive ability. and he's bragging about taking this test that required him to string five words together and repeat them. and he claims the doctors told him that the way he did it was very special. listen. >> so the last time i was at the hospital, probably a year ago, i said to the doctor, it was dr. ronnie jackson, i said, is there some kind of a test? an acuity test. and he said, there actually is, and he named it, whatever it might be. and it was 30 or 35 questions. the first questions are very easy. the last questions are much more difficult. like a memory question. it's, like, you'll go person, woman, man, camera, tv. so they'll say, can you repeat that? >> and so i said, yeah. so it's person, woman, man, camera, tv. >> okay, that's very good. if you get it in order, you get extra points. okay, now he's asking you other questions. other questions, and then ten minutes, 15, 20 minutes later, they say, remember the first question, but not the first, but the tenth, give us that again, can you do that again. and you go person, woman, man, camera, tv. if you get it in order, you get extra points. they said, nobody gets it in order, it's actually not that easy, but for me it was easy. and that's not an easy question. in other words, they ask it to you. they give you five names and you have to repeat them. that's okay. if you repeat them out of order, that's okay, but, you know, it's not as good. but then when you go back about 20, 25 minutes later and they say, go back to that question -- they don't tell you this. go back to that question and repeat them. %-p camera, tv. they say, that's amazing. how did you do that? i do it because i have like a good memory, because i'm like cognitively there. >> head, shoulders, knees and toes. head, shoulders, knees and toes. you can do it if you try really, really hard. but what does it tell us about the president's state of mind that he believes that that was something extraordinary? john, there's a lot. there's a lot of questions about this. he said -- in the president's own words, he found those last five questions, quote, very hard as he told chris wallace, and he, was now know, asked to take the cog anitive test. why did he request that especially? >> two major things jump out to me. number one, that he just did that, unironically, i mean, he was deadly earnest in that fox news guy, i don't know who it was? >> dr. mark siegel. he looked somewhat stunned by that entire dissertation. >> that took ten years off of his life. the other thing to note, the president's timeline is a little jumbled. he said he took the test very recently, the only one we know he took was more than two years ago. does he think that's very recent? what does that say? >> part of the reason he's probably talking about this and particularly to fox is because he knows, i'm sure, has seen the latest fox polls. i'll show you a couple of them. this is the one that asks about the intelligence. people, the respondents, for fox's own policy that biden has more intelligence to serve at president, 51% versus president trump, 42%. and this one, mental soundness. again, the respondents put biden ahead of president trump, 47 to 43. >> i will say, you win the day. head, shoulders, knees and toes. >> it's not easy. >> you have tons of cognitive ability. >> thank you. >> coming out of your head, shoulders, knees and toes. >> joke over. i'm moving on. miami's mayor has just upped the penalties for people who refuse to wear masks. we will speak with him about this, next. it's pretty inspiring the way families redefined the word 'school' this year. it's why, at xfinity, we're committed to helping kids keep learning through the summer. and help college students studying at home stay connected through our university program. we're providing affordable internet access to low income families through our internet essentials program. and this summer, xfinity is creating a virtual summer camp for kids at home- all on xfinity x1. we're committed to helping all families stay connected. learn more at xfinity.com/education. all right. breaking news. we learned moments ago that the city of miami has just increased penalties for resident who is refuse to wear masks. violators will now receive a $100 fine for the first and second offenses and be subject to arrest for the third offense. joining me now is miami's mayor, francis suarez. mr. mayor, why you increasing the penalties? >> we're increasing the penalties because we want to make sure people follow the rules. we're seeing some early evidence that the mask in public rule is working and we want to make sure it's being adopted successfully in our population. we've assigned 3 ee eed 39 poli officers this week to do mask enforcement. our peak growth rate was 125 new cases a day over the last few days. 14-day average. we're down to 20 new cases a day. that's about one sixth of the slope, you know, in its peak. and so we want to make sure that we're able to continue these gains so that we don't have to take more dramatic measures. >> have you had any repeat offenders yet for people who have been penalized for not wearing masks? >> we haven't, just because we just started. officially, we had a warning and an escalating fine system. and we took out the warning on monday and dedicated -- created this new task force of officers that are going to just go out and do this all week. we're now starting to see the fines pile up. and my hope is we're able to dedicate some of the money you get from these fines to businesses that are really hurting in our community. >> my understanding is across the state of florida, there is an almost universal call for more nurses to come to the hospitals. in miami-dade county, of all the counties, it has the greatest need for nurses at the hospital. why? what are you seeing? >> the reason why is because we have exceeded, you know, what most consider 100% icu capacity. we're creating icu capacity and we have icu capacity. so ef-about 130 icu beds. but what people don't realize is that to staff an icu bed, it's not just about creating a bed or having a ventilator or having an equipment, you need the staffing. that's really the most important part. this is a pandemic that's affecting the entire united states. it's not like you can just easily pull from another part of the country, nurses or doctors to help staff, you know, meet staffing needs. so that's the reason why we need staffing and we're very grateful that we're starting to get it from other parts of the state, the states providing us with some additional nurses. >> you face questions, you've been on the show repeatedly about whether or if or when you might institute a stay-at-home order. the last time i talked to proba week ago, maybe in a few days. where are you now on the possibility of a stay-at-home order? >> the situation has improved. just a few days ago, we're at 60 new cases a day. we're down to 20 new cases a day, which means that the remediation efforts that we've taken including the mask in public rule are working. so our hospital administrators, our epidemiologists and b biostatisticians tell us to be patient. we're being patient and letting those remediation efforts take full effect before making any decisions. >> overnight, one of the things the president suggested was that somehow illegal border crossings led to the surge in cases that we're seeing across southern stat states. now, florida does not share a border with mexico. how much do you believe that that has increased your cases? >> zero. in miami, none. there's nothing from illegal immigration. some people have, you know, obviously theorized that the protests -- because we don't have any direct evidence linking the protests through contact tracing to higher infections, but some people have protested that it's the protests. some people have theorized it's home parties or the sort of graduation parties or celebratory weekends or long weekends like memorial on july 4th. there's been a lot of speculation. but frankly, much of the actual evidence from contact tracing really tells a different story. the story it's telling me is one person is getting exposed or sick and they're infects every single member of their household. the house -- the greatest category of people that are reporting get sick, in terms of place, in terms of relationship, the highest category is from a family member. and over 70%, 73% are reporting that more than one member of the household is sick. but really what's happening is people get home, obviously, when they get home, they're not practicing social distancing, they're not wearing their mask inside and they've been exposed and they don't even know it. by the time they get tested, we're eight days in of exposure to the entire family. so the entire family is getting sick. that's really the phenomenal that we're seeing and that's what creates exponential growth. >> just to be clear, you're saying your testing lags and testing problems are leading to further growth? >> yeah, of course. we have an average wait time of five days before you get the results. if you're exposed on day zero, it takes you two to three days to start getting symptoms, decide to get tested, takes you a day to get tested, that's day four, and five days without knowing your results. that's day nine before you even know your results. by the time you know you're positive, every single person in your household has been infected. >> the president said overnight that testing is overrated. >> well, it's not overrated and i'll tell you why. you need to -- we need to know who's sick to isolate those people. if you're doing effective contact tracing and if you know when someone is sick, you can isolate them. the quicker that you isolate them, what they call the r0 or the rate of additional persons being infected is diminished and that's the way to contain the virus. knowing that people are sick is critical to containing the virus and to isolating those who are vulnerable and that's something we've been work on with the state and miami-dade county to provide hotel beds for isolation. >> francis suarez, mayor of the city of miami, we always appreciate your time. let's be hopeful that perhaps some of these trends you're talking about continue and get reduced even more. thank you for being with us. >> we're hopeful, but have to be disciplined. >> alisyn? >> ohio's governor mandating masks and issuing a travel advisory for nine states. cnn has reporters across the country to bring you all of the latest developments. >> i'm bianna golodryga in new york. the kansas state board of education voted to reject governor laura kelly's order to delay the start of the school year. the order would have pushed back the start of the school year from august 10th to after labor day in september. the vote means school districts will be able to decide when they want to start school, including as originally planned. kelly said in a statement that cases of covid-19 in kansas are at an all-time high and said this vote puts students, faculty, and their families and the state's economy at risk. i'm athena jones in new york. the governor of ohio has issued a travel advisory recommending that anyone who travels to ohio from a state with a covid-19 positivity rate of 15% or higher self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival. right now, that list includes nine states and puerto rico. governor mike dewine also announced that starting today at 6:00 p.m., masks will be required for people 10 years old and older when in public and in an indoor location other than a resident and when outdoors or when riding taxis, rideshares, or public transportation. i'm miguel marquez in phoenix, arizona, where protesters here and across the state are mounting motor marches. essentially, parents getting together in their cars, signs across them, honking throughout their school districts, telling the governor here that they are concerned about the level of covid cases in the state and they are afraid that if the governor was maintain to make a decision soon, if he opens schools even part for in-person and part for online, that that will drive the number of covid cases up throughout the state. >> our thanks to all of our reporters around the country for the very latest. we want to remember a few of the more than 143,000 americans lost to coronavirus. nao naomi escobal and carlos garcia had been married and leave behind two boys. 82-year-old richard retired 30 years later. he printed his photos of the world famous collection in a dark room on site. in his free time, "the new york times" reports he played the drums at a weekly jam session and restored old sports cars. he's survived by his wife of 62 years. we'll be right back. ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done. we adapt and we change. you know, you just figure it out. we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. ♪ we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. there are so many toothpastes out there, which one should i use? 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>> well, this is the first time they've had a full republican conference meeting since the pandemic in person, so i think some of them were just letting off steam. but it was a terrible thing in the midst of a pandemic, with all the problems we're facing, to go attack the only woman in the republican leadership. there are very few women in the republican caucus, and why would they attack her? makes no sense? also, i think, we should also realize that we're also laying the groundwork for the republican party post-trump. will trumpism survive? and i think liz cheney has a pretty adult view on a lot of these issues. and some of the people who are attacking her, i think, want to take the party into the trumpism direction. and liz cheney, i think, has a much more mature outalolook. and she was correct on her criticism of the president in pulling troops out of germany, on wearing masks and defending dr. fauci. they're mad at her because she's not significantly sycophantic. >> and do you think she's positioning herself in the event that there's a post-trump world? >> yeah. well, look, we all know that liz cheney is very capable and i think ambitious. and, look, when you hear rand paul criticize liz cheney, that's the neoisolationist attacking somebody closer to the neocon so they have different -- >> but it's not just him. you hear from matt gaetz, it's so interesting. she's no liberal. >> i know, but what you have to realize is maybe some of those in the freedom caucus have their own political ambitions. they believe that liz cheney could become the leader of the republican conference. and maybe they're trying to clip her wings a bit. and i think that's partly what this is about. but i think the whole episode is absurd, to be going after her in a time like this. she's been right in her criticisms and this is a litmus test for republicans right now. it's loyalty to the president. and she by her own admission voted with the president 97% of the time. but has disagreed with him on some major foreign policy issues. >> speaking of a possible post-trump world in the near future, president trump's poll ratings, poll numbers had cratered for his handling of coronavirus. and so he has pivoted quite visibly by trying to become noub,nou, you know, a law and order president, by sending agents into various cities, and now he is back in the past two days to having the so-called coronavirus white house briefings. do you think -- i mean, you're in pennsylvania. obviously, you see the fluctuating poll numbers there. do you think that he -- that this will really help his re-election bid? >> well, i don't think -- i think the president's poll numbers are sagging for a few reasons. obviously, because of the response to the pandemic, that is being charitable, has been very uneven. high unemployment and the social unrest. i don't think that the president's actions -- you know, this law and order stuff that he's talking about right now, sending in federal agents into cities, you know, without the consent of the -- of the state and local officials is very problematic. it has to be done collaboratively. i'm kind of like a tom ridge guy, first homeland security secretary, governor of pennsylvania. there are serious problems with the way the president has gone about this. and i'm not excusing these local mayors who have really done -- given short shrift to public safety. and many have thrown their law enforcement under the bus, but this is not the way to proceed. i don't think what the president is doing here is really going to help his poll numbers. the cake has been baked on the pandemic and his response, i don't think there's much he can do to improve it right now. former congressman charlie dent, thank you very much. great to get your perspective. >> thanks, alisyn. good to be with you. >> you too. president trump is pushing for a viable coronavirus vaccine in the coming months. now realistic is it? 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should race and ethnicity factor and where do teachers fall on the priority list? >> clearly the vulnerable are going to be if not the top priority, one of the top priorities. >> reporter: the trump administration is tapping top health officials and industry experts to lead vaccine plans rather than politicians. but the administration's vaccine expert, operation warp speed, is shrouded in secrecy. >> certainly ask for both your latitude a little bit in terms of my lack of ability to provide a lot of specifics about what we're doing. >> reporter: vaccine developers already have contracts with the government to stockpile their product, and the administration hopes to have 300 million doses available early next year, a timeline vaccine experts believe is overly optimistic. >> this is a big task. even if you have a vaccine, getting these people vaccinated is a humongous task. because you immediate to convince people. >> reporter: the distribution alone is a monumental challenge. >> right at the beginning of operation warp speed. so we've secured that to be able to ensure that we'll be able to vaccinate the american people. skp >> reporter: the federal government has shelled out hundreds of millions of dollars for companies like corning for glass vials needed to transport a vaccine. >> i think glass won't be a bottleneck and there'll be plenty to go around at the point a vaccine is ready. >> reporter: hundreds of millions of syringes are on order, too, from companies like bd, though contracts and industry experts suggest that the government may come up short. >> it is the beginning of the process. the u.s. government is preparing for two shots of the vaccine and so, you know, assuming a population of approximately 350 million people, we're looking at a total 750 million -- or excuse me, 700 million syringes, at least. >> reporter: once a vaccine is available, it could take a year to inoculate enough americans to slow the spread. and that's if americans agree to get the vaccine at all. safety concerns, politics, and fears among minority communities that they may be exploited or left out are all contributing to american's hesitation. now, i talked to a senior official at health and human services who admitted they do have a transparency problem, they know they need to win over the american public, so they trust the vaccine, and they're planning on rolling out a series of public service announcements, featuring some of the doctors we got used to seeing in the briefing room, people like dr. fauci, robert redfield prosecute cdc, as well as the surgeon general. alisyn? >> really interesting. sarah, thank you very much. so president trump giving warm regards to ghislaine maxwell, the alleged accomplice of jeffrey epstein, accused of helping epstein's sex trafficking of underaged girls. so what is the relationship between ghislaine maxwell and president trump? cnn's pamela brown has more. >> reporter: prmp's retuesident return to the briefing took an unexpected turn with his response to a question about ghislaine maxwell, arrested earlier this month on multiple charges related to sexual abuse of underage girls by her longtime companion, convicted sex offender, jeffrey epstein. she has pleaded not guilty. >> i haven't really been following it too much. i just wish her well, frankly. >> reporter: the warm wishes for maxwell are bringing renewed scrutiny to trump's relationship with her and epstein, who government officials say died by suicide in his jail cell last year after being charged with sex trafficking. some republican lawmakers reacted to trump's comments on twitter, saying, this is unacceptably obtuse for a woman accused of the most morally depraved of crimes. and, she is despicable and he needs to say that. >> i've met her numerous times over the years, especially since i lived in palm beach and and they lived in palm beach, but i wish her well, whatever it is. >> trump says he's known epstein since the late '80s and pictures from the '90s show the president with maxwell, who became epstein's girlfriend, associate, and allegedly his madame. one picture shows trump with maxwell in 1997, and again in early 2000 at trump's palm beach property, mar-a-lago, with his wife, melania, and epstein. another picture shows trump with maxwell that same year at a new york fashion show and again with model naomi campbell. epstein's one-time business partner, steven hoffenberg, who spent 18 years in jail for a ponzi scheme, told cnn today, there's no dispute, they knew each other well. adding, he liked her and she liked him. in an interview with "new york" magazine, trump showered praise on epstein, calling him a terrific guy. he is a lot of fun to be with. it is even said he likes beautiful women as much as i do and many of them are on the younger side. after epstein was arrested last year, trump had a different tune claiming he kicked epstein out of mar-a-lago years before. >> he was a fixture in palm beach. i had a falling out with him a long time ago. i haven't spoken to him in # is a years. i wasn't a fan. >> reporter: maxwell went into hiding as more victims came forward, alleging she lured them and groomed them to be sexually abused by epstein. an alleged victim claims that maxwell recruited her when she was a locker room assistant at trump's mar-a-lago resort, although she never accused any wrongdoing by the president. overnight, china taking a major step forward in its mission to mars. we'll discuss that and the upcoming tensions between the u.s. and china, next. 33 ever since i got this little guy, i felt like i was just constantly cleaning up his hair. then, i got my paws on the swiffer sweeper. it's a game changer. these heavy duty dry cloths pick up a crazy amount of hair! this is all you. we stopped cleaning and started swiffering. can it help keep us asleep? 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>> sure. first of all, if you look at the policy of the united states on 5g and basically this is the operating system that will control the internet of things. anything with a chip in it. that's not just the unilateral policy. you have seen a number of countries, most american allies around the world either saying they're going to work with the west and not the chinese direction. canada is about to make that decision. the brazilians are moving in that direction. japan, australia. if china's most advanced technology companies only have access to the poorest countries in the world that's a huge restraint for what xi jinping said is the most strategic industry that the chinese have. but the other point, it's not just the trump administration has managed to corral some other allies to join us. it's also that, you know, as bad as trump's year has been so far and we know he's under water with biden in the polls, xi jinping right now internationally is having a worse year. not only does he have a big fight with the united states on his hands that the chinese leadership has not wanted, but a number of other countries too and at not being led by the united states. india a week ago canceled all of the top chinese apps including tiktok and did that in china escalating and killing a bunch of indian soldiers on the himalayan border. there's a trade war with russia right now. that was the response to the chinese refusing to open up the investigation at australia -- and the decision to go after china was more in response to china's unilateral imposition of the hong kong national security law which really matters to the former colony of the uk. that policy really drove it much harder than the united states did. this is -- this is really a problem for xi jinping and so i -- yes, the u.s./china relationship is really bad, but there's a broad story of backlash against china that we are seeing all over the world right now. >> ian, very quickly, let's talk about where americans are still welcome in the world right now, given our rates of coronavirus here in the united states and it's easier, frankly, to look at a map of the globe of where -- yeah. these are the countries where we are allowed to travel than if we had to highlight the countries that have some sort of travel restrictions on us. you can see it has gotten very slim pickings for americans around the world. what do you make of this? >> well, i hear albania is very nice this time of the year, alisyn. look, obviously, we are not handling coronavirus well across the country. there's still massive human to human transmission in most states and as a consequence the u.s. passport is not as welcome internationally as it was before. but let's be clear. that isn't about the united states being unattractive as a destination for capital. it doesn't mean the people don't want to send their kids to american universities. this is a bad, bad year and we all hope that our ability to get a hold on the case explosion is going to change real soon. but i don't think this is a sign of the united states in the decline vis-a-vis the rest of the world. >> ian bremmer, always a pleasure to speak with you. 51 years ago this week americans walked on the moon. this week we can't walk in the bahamas. always an education. thank you very much. >> be safe, my friend. "new day" continues right now. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." we begin with the united states on track to surpass 4 million coronavirus cases today. it was only two weeks ago that the u.s. hit 3 million cases. the increases in this country happening at an alarming rate. there were more than 1,000 coronavirus deaths again for the second day in a row. that has not happened since may. and hospitalizations nationwide are near record levels but these were set back in april. and what we thought was the height of the pandemic. president trump is again insisting that testing is overrated. >> to me, every time you test, you find a case. you know, it gets reported in the news, we found more cases. so i personally think it's overrate. but i am totally willing to keep doing it. again, it makes us look bad, but they say it's good. i don't mind looking bad if it's a good thing. >> he's just wrong on testing and some republicans don't agree with his position either. overnight they reached a fundamental agreement with the white house on a coronavirus relief bill that does include more money for testing. with 143,000 dead americans and climbing, the president is making the bizarre claim that a cure -- his word, it's close, but no one thinks that. the president pushed for schools to reopen 100% presenting misinformation about the risk of kids spreading the virus. a new poll finds that just 8% of americans think schools should reopen with no changes. most people want schools to open with some kind of adjustment which requires guidance on a plan that still hasn't been provided. so the president is wrong on the imminent cure, wrong o

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