Chalice seems like it could be a possible spreader. Do you have any sense of why they didnt include them in the final product . There are things that are superseding science here, alisyn. I think it is no secret anymore. I think we have gotten glipss and hints of this all along. But now there is some really clear evidence of this, this is an example. In the original 68page draft that was released, it did have guidance for religious institutions. It is important. We know that there have been these clusters that emanated from places where people congregate and, you know, houses of worship are one of those places. We know there has been many places around the country where they advised trying to do online, you know, religious gatherings as opposed to in person. The fact it is gone from here is the fact it was in the original draft, i mean, i think it speaks for itself. There are things that are at play right now with regard to the guidance that were getting, with regard to the data that were hearing, with regard to the advice that sometimes is being disseminated that are not scientifically based. Dr. Besser, as the former acting director of the cdc, why do you think they would leave that stuff out . Well, you know, i think at a higher level i am so thankful that this guidance is out there. One of the things that i think was really missing was communication. This came up on the cdc website, with no press release, no announcement, and if you really want people to follow this, if it is the blueprint for the country, the communicator in chief has to be out there pushing this, explaining it. Cdc has to be going through it, they have to explain why certain things are in there and certain things are not. As i start to dive into this, i see some key elements that should be in there, that arent. And i would like to understand is that based on science or is it not there for other reasons in. Are there other things beyond what we talked about in terms of the guidance for religious institutions that you see that are missing . Yeah. So, you know, we talked about this before. There are certain communities that are getting hit harder than others. Black americans, latinos, native americans, people in Group Settings are getting hit really, really hard. I would like to see in their callout at every state, every city has to break down their data by race, ethnicity, by gender, by neighborhood. If you dont do that, you could look really good overall in terms of how your whole city, state is doing. But you can have pockets that are getting hit really hard. Thats one key piece. The other key piece is there is so much focus on testing and tracking, but if you dont also focus on peoples ability to isolate and quarantine, what youll find is that people of means will be protected because if theyre positive, they can isolate or quarantine at home away from others, but people who live in more crowded settings coronavirus will continue to run rampant. Dr. Besser, one more cdc question for you. Because our Investigative Reporter drew griffin has spoken to people at the cdc. And they speak off the record, but they have shared their feelings about what is going on there. Some of the quotes that they have shared with him are, we are working under a black cloud of an administration that does not have our backs. Another person said, we have been muzzled. What should the director of the cdc do about this these feelings . Yeah, you know, i worked at cdc for 13 years and there were periods of time where we thought that politics was trumping Public Health science. And it is absolutely devastating for morale, devastating in terms of being able to do the work and know that what youre finding out will not go into the best guidance. This is something that those of us who used to work at cdc are calling out in a big way. I dont know the answer to that because without Public Health science, without cdc being out there, the likelihood of this really detailed guidance being implemented fully and appropriately goes way, way down. Sanjay, i want to ask you about some new information we got overnight about the numbers in florida. There is a woman who has worked crunching the numbers, shes a data processor, she says she works 16 hours a day for the past many, many weeks, trying to give florida and the leaders there the numbers in real time of what the cases really look like, what the death toll really looks like. She basically says she was fired this week because she was not manipulating the numbers to their liking. This is just her story, we have to do much more investigating, but the sense was that she was supposed to be suppressing numbers rather than telling the real numbers. And we had lots of conversations in the mornings about why do the numbers look so good in places like florida and georgia when they reopened so early . Do you have a sense of if this could be one reason . Yeah. That was obviously concerning. And like you, alisyn, i want to get a better sense about the whole story of what happened there in florida because she is making some pretty strong allegations upon which Public Health policy is being based. Everyone is paying attention to these numbers and there was a similar sort of situation in georgia, again, for which the governor apologized, saying that they essentially made the days out of order, so that it locked like there was a downward trend when there wasnt. They said that was an accident, it was not intentional, and both cases it made things seem better than they actually were in terms of the numbers actually having the downward trajectory. This is obviously really important. This is not a game. And people are making Big Decisions based on looking at these numbers on a regular basis. The one thing ill say, and we also said every morning, alisyn, is, you know, the virus is still out there. That is true. That hasnt changed. Despite the fact that we have gone through this cycle of staying at home and frankly we did a pretty good job in this country of staying at home. It made a big difference. And even if people are going out, it does seem that a majority are Wearing Masks and trying to keep physical distance. And thats important. That will make a difference. But the virus is still out there. When we put these stayathome orders as a Country First into place, there were some 80 people roughly who had died, sadly, and 4500 people who were infected. That was back in the middle of march. Now, you look at the numbers on the right side of your screen, and were opening, despite the fact that 91,000 people have died and a million and a half people have confirmed to have been infected. It doesnt make a lot of sense, right . We decided to stay at home. Now the numbers are much higher and were saying we should reopen with impunity in many places. Obviously that doesnt make sense. We have to be careful. I think thats such a good remind, sanjay. There is a feeling of victory as we opened. People heave a sigh of relief, we reopened, we have come to the worst of it. To your point, nothing has changed about the virus. If you run into the virus, it is just as deadly, just as as contagious as it was all those weeks ago, only our behavior changed. So dr. Besser, in terms of what we saw that sanjay talked about in georgia and what we might be seeing in florida, how can we ever be sure in any state that were getting the real numbers . Who is supposed to be overseeing that for us . Yeah, i mean, data is absolutely critical. If you dont have the data, you wont know what is going on locally. And so those big national numbers, which are going down, the rate of cases is going down nationally, that doesnt have much relevance to an individual community. You have to know what is going on locally. You have to know that the data are good. I think that one way you do that is that you hear from the Public Health scientists who are doing that data rather rather than politicians who are interpreting that data and using it to make other decisions. Without that direct connection, to me, there will always be some skepticism as to why certain data are being selected for presentation and other data are not. Dr. Richard besser, dr. San yea gup jay gupta, we appreciate both of you. Breaking overnight, two dam failures forced thousands of michigan residents from their homes. One town could face waters rising nine feet high. Cnns Miguel Marquez rushed overnight to midland county, michigan, on this breaking story. Miguel, tell us what you found there. Reporter this is downtown midland right now. This is the Tittabawassee River that goes through here. There is reports of a third dike south of here also breaking. That green metal roof out there in the middle there, that is the Farmers Market for midland. And we only have been here, what, an hour and a half, maybe two hours, and this parking garage was filling up a bit, but this bit, the water wasnt coming over this, it is now. Officials saying that they expect the crest to be at 38 feet. If it does hit 38 feet, that will be a 500 year event for this river in this area. It was meant to crest around 8 00 this morning, about now. Now the National Weather service saying it may be 8 00 p. M. Tonight here in midland and then follow downriver throughout the rest of the time. They are dealing with a crisis within a crisis. Both slow moving. The pandemic also. They have four shelters opened up. There are hundreds of people who have taken advantage of those shelters. Thousands of people have evacuated. And they are handing out masks, checking temperature, big areas so that people can actually socially distance while in those areas. But the state of michigan doing everything it can right now to do deal with two slow moving disasters at the same time. John . Miguel, thanks so much for getting there, showing us what is happening. I know youll stay on it. Well come back to you as the news develops. In the meantime, miami beach is closing off its iconic ocean drive in a plan to reopen businesses. The mayor of miami beach explains next. Straight from the worlds best plant scientists, comes miraclegro performance organics. 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Beaches, bars and restaurants remain closed for now. Joining me now is the mayor of miami beach, dan gelber. Thank you for being with us. How is this going to work and what are you looking for . Well, you know, were trying to ease into this. Were a little slower than the state, which has opened up much of everything. And were a little slower even than our own counties. Along with a few other bigger cities, were going slower. Were going to open up our retail today. At limited capacity with one way aisles an sanitizing and all the other elements you realize you need. But this is to see how we do. Were a crowdbased city. We want to make sure we dont draw too large a crowd. Thats really interesting, right. Because normally your job is to attract crowds. So now youve got to figure out a way to attract the right size crowd, which is to say not too many people. One thing youre thinking about doing or will do is starting next week when you reopen restaurants, youre going to close down ocean boulevard, right . The famous drag along the beach there. Why are you closing that down . We have, you know, were 7 1 2 mile island with 800 restaurants. So were trying to get our restaurants ready, and one of the things we realize is we give them more space outside, it is safer, they can spread out a little bit, so were opening up ocean drive, washington avenue, and some other streets and boulevards so that a lot of our restaurants can expand outside to create a safer environment. Listen, first of all, we want people to come, we just dont want crowds and, of course, they wont come if it doesnt feel safe and it isnt safe. So those are the goals. There is some tension, but i think if there is any city that can do it, it is ours. We do a lot of Amazing Things every single day here. So i have a lot of faith in our business community. You say you want people to come. Do you want them to stay . Which is to say, what about hotels . Well, our beaches and hotels have a relationship, a lot of people come to hotels for the beaches. There is not a plan right now in the county or in our city to open up our beaches or hotels in the next week or two. I think early june is what i have to guess would happen. And were going to ease into these. One thing we dont want to do is rush so fast that we create a spike in the virus. And that would be terrible. People would not feel safe and worse we would have the repercussions of virus and more virus, which we already have. Our county has had almost 600 deaths and thats about a third of all of the deaths in florida. So we are the hot spot. How comfortable are you with the medical guidance that youre getting overall now and specifically, look, what happens if you start seeing a spike in new cases . Well, you know, interestingly there has been very little guidance from washington and sometimes it is even been contrary to the guidance were getting. We managed to put together a pretty great medical team of people locally and nationally. And the cdc gave us guidelines on when to open, two weeks of the downward trajectory. They have been radio silent on what should happen now. They havent told us what to look for with spikes. They havent told us what when we should reconsider or tighten what were doing. To a certain extent, i keep feeling like the old mikey cereal commercial, they keep pushing decisions down from the governors to the mayors and we dont have Health Departments or that capacity. But were doing our best to figure out what to do in light of the fact that were not getting any direction from washington. And, in fact, it is often that the exact opposite, we tell people to wear masks because thats what the cdc said, the president says you dont need to. We tell them to follow Doctors Orders and be data driven and we hear you know, the president saying do exactly the opposite. So it really is challenging to tell people what they need to hear when somebody else is telling them what they probably want to hear. On the subject of data, and specifically to florida, there has been this Interesting Development where Rebecca Jones who is a person who put together this website that provided a data screen that was praised by deborah birx and around the country, she has been pushed out of her job. She says, she told our affiliate there, it is because she refused to manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen. What do you think is going on here . I dont know. Listen, im not going to get into the finger pointing right now because im trying very hard to do the job with my fellow commissioners of opening up our city safely. I will say this, though. Part of the reason we had so many deaths for instance, nationally and in our community is we didnt have testing data for first few weeks in march. We had no we didnt know the virus was spreading in our community. It is a silent spreader, as everybody knows. We didnt have data. We didnt have a look into what was going on. I think that was deadly. I dont think there should be any holding back of data, there should be total transparency. I think if were going to have a datadriven response, then we got to have accurate data and im always concerned it is not transparent and not accurate because were relying on it to make decisions. Mayor dan gelber, you have a beautiful city. We wish you best of luck in opening up. And we hope to some day see you in person down there. Appreciate it. Thank you. So what happens to americas cities if a lot of workers never return to the office . I mean, at all . Real concerns for the Real Estate Market next. Right now is a time for action. 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Joining us now is spencer levy, chairman of Americas Research for cbre and craig dodlsweig. Spencer, let me start with you, youre on the ground, looking at all of the research. So what has the impact been thus far of coronavirus on all of us going into the office and what does the future of office work look like . Well, i think you need to break it into the two time periods of once the virus is before it is solved and after the fact. In the shortterm, over the next 12 to 18 months or so, there is going to be less physical occupancy of the office space, as people are social distancing and employer are keeping people in shifts, less people going in at any one time. But in the longterm, once the crisis is resolved, 18 months from now, 12 to 18 months from now, we expect people to go back in of