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carolina. >> but you supposed to be able to hear them talk? i mean, there were a few different complaints. >> i heard that they were talking. i could tell -- >> we did know. this is the last debate been super tuesday next week. former vice president joe biden is hoping for a win in south carolina this weekend to resurrect his campaign. the other moderates on the stage made sure to attack each other, as well, with former new york mayor michael bloomberg trying to rebounds from that disastrous first debate performance. for the others on the stage, the goal is still to continue the one standing one week from today. we're keeping a close eye on the markets. u.s. stock futures are down sharply after a monster two-day slide. it looks like wall street is in for another wild day as coronavirus fears grip these global markets. so let's begin with cnn's jessica dean live for us in south carolina with the highlights and maybe low lights of last night's debate. jessica? >> reporter: good morning. south carolina, yikes, yeah. good morning. we had a lot of back and forth, a lot of energy last night, a lot of yelling. it started out, you saw, with a lot of attacks trained right at bernie sanders and then devolved into this circular firing squad on that debate stage. look, these candidates have a lot on the line here in south carolina. it's the last time they're all going to be on the stage together before saturday's primary. then, of course, super tuesday's contest. >> i'm hearing my name mentioned a little bit tonight. [ laughter ] i wonder why. >> reporter: with front-runner status, bernie sanders took his turn in the hot seat in a tense and sometimes chaotic debate. >> bernie and i agree on a lot of things, but i think i would make a better president than bernie. >> you do something for the people of america instead of a bunch of broken promises that sound good on bumper stickers. >> bernie hasn't passed much of anything. >> reporter: after taking the heat last week, michael bloomberg was ready to strike against sanders, questioning his electability. >> vladimir putin thinks that donald trump should be president of the united states. and that's why russia is helping you get elected so you'll lose to him. >> oh -- mr. putin, if i'm president of the united states, trust me, you're not going to interfere in any more american elections. >> reporter: sanders against defending his comments, praisesing cuban dictator -- praising cuban dictator fidel castro. >> i have opposed authortarianism. and he made progress in cuba on education. [ boos ] >> really? >> the fact, he does not, did not, has never embraced an authoritarian regime and does not know. >> reporter: pete buttigieg warning a sanders nomination could hurt democrats' chances in congress. >> look, if you want to keep the house in democratic hands, you might want to check with the people who turned the house blue. 40 democrats who are not running on your platform. they are running away from your platform as fast as they possibly can. [ applause ] >> the truth is, we -- >> one at a time -- >> the america poeople are bougt on a agenda -- that's why i will defeat trump -- >> reporter: joe biden confident heading into saturday's primary. >> i don't expect anything. i plan to earn the vote. i'm here to ask and earn it. folks, i intend to win south carolina, and i will win the african-american vote here in south carolina. >> reporter: the former vice president also taking aim at billionaire tom steyer. >> you talk about concerned about race, well, my good friend at the end of this platform, he, in fact, bought a system that was a private prison system. after -- after he knew that, in fact, what happened was they hog-tied young men in prison here in this state. >> the prison, thinking they'd do a better job. i investigated and sold it. since then i've worked to end the use of private prints in my home state, and -- private prisons in my home state, and we ended it. >> you wrote the crime bill -- >> put hundreds of thousands of young black and latino men -- >> not true -- >> reporter: elizabeth warren offering rare attacks against her fellow progressive. >> bernie and i both want to see universal health care, but bernie's plan doesn't explain how to get there. i dug in, i did the work, and then bernie's team trashed me for it. >> reporter: but saved ammunition for bloomberg. >> the fact that he cannot earn the trust of the core of the democratic party means he is the riskiest candidate standing on this stage. >> all right -- >> reporter: amy klobuchar calling for some civility. >> if we spend the next four months tearing our party apart, we're going to watch donald trump spend the next four years tearing our country apart. >> reporter: another full day of campaigning for the democratic homes here in south carolina. and another full night of cnn town halls, those get started at 7:00 with michael bloomberg, joe biden, amy klobuchar, and elizabeth warren tonight. >> yes, another very interesting 24 hours ahead. thank you so much. >> so joe biden is ahead in the polls in south carolina, as he has been for weeks, maybe months now. bernie sanders took the most heat last night. how did last night shake up the race? ok everyone! our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition... for strength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein and twenty-seven vitamins and minerals. ensure, for strength and energy. hills, ykind of. them... kale, you eat it for breakfast... sometimes. you go far to eliminate stubborn fat. but sometimes life gets in the way. coolsculpting takes you further. a non-surgical treatment that targets, freezes, and eliminates treated fat cells for good. discuss coolsculpting with your doctor. some common side-effects include temporary numbness, discomfort, and swelling. don't imagine results, see them. coolsculpting, take yourself further. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ don't get mad. get e*trade, dawg. t-mobile has the first and only, nationwide 5g network. and with it, you can shape the future. we've invested 30 billion dollars and built our new 5g network for businesses like yours. while some 5g signals only go a few blocks, t-mobile 5g goes for miles. no other 5g signal goes farther or is more reliable in business. tomorrow is in your hands. partner with t-mobile for business today. that's a reason to switch to jackson hewitt. no one gets you a bigger refund or you get $100. yep, get your biggest refund or we pay you. guaranteed. and here's another reason to switch to jackson hewitt. guaranteed. 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joining -- reshuffled this morning? joining us, political commentary and form house member bacari sellers, and the executive director of justice democrats, alexander rojas. thank you so much for getting up for this special edition of "new day." bacari, give us your take. >> the election has to come, i think joe biden would do extremely well. i think last night was the first time in bernie sanders history of running for the president of the united states he was the front-runner. i thought it was an amazing night for democrats. we got a chance to exchange ideas. i do think there are people who should not be on that stage anymore. i think that you'll see the punitive damag -- pete buttigiegs of the world, the amy klobuchars of the world, even the elizabeth warrens. if they don't do well on tuesday they have to find another way to affect the outcome of the race. it's not running for president -- >> pete buttigieg won some -- or tied some of the early contests. why doesn't he deserve a place on that stage? >> well, i mean, he won the first race. that's fair to say. i also think you have to build a diverse coalition. there were people last night who were running to win south carolina, and there were others who were just running because this was the next stop in south carolina. and i think that when you saw somebody like joe biden for example, i think you saw somebody like tom steyer trying to win south carolina, there were others who were just here because it was a stop on the map. and i think that what you're realizing is if you cannot win in south carolina, if you cannot do well in south carolina which is indicative of the rest of the way, then you cannot build the coalition necessary to be the democratic nominee. >> i'm going to equity something that i heard bacari said, that last night was the first away game that bernie sanders had to play on the debate stage. it was the first time where he wasn't commanding with maybe a home crowd audience there. and you heard it. here's one example actually, literally where you heard the not hometown audience like bernie sanders. this had to do with the castro issue. >> what i said is what barack obama said in terms of cuba. that cuba made progress on education. yes, i think -- [ boo ] >> really? really? >> so that's atmospherics right there. there was more than that some some of the other candidates including for michael bloomberg who raised the issue that a lot of establishment for lack of a word democrats have been raising the last few days which is they say bernie sanders simply can't beat donald trump, and only that, it means doom for the whole party. listen. >> if you keep on going, we will elect bernie, bernie will lose to donald trump, and donald trump and the house and the senate and some of the state houses will all go red, and then be -- between gerrymandering and appointing judges for the next 20 or 30 years we're going to live with there catastrophe. >> alexandra, how did senator sanders emerge from the away game? >> i think that he emerged pretty -- pretty still as the front-runner. i think as he was on stage he was the clear democratic front-runner. he took hits from all sides alongside mayor bloomberg. i think the thing that is -- is -- i think we're consistently surprise busy in the media or -- surprised about in the media or as pundits is the appearance of bernie sanders maybe being angry or this debate being raucous. i think that a lot of people respond to him constantly centering the fact that 500,000 americans are sleeping on the street right now, it 0,000 of which are -- 30,000 of which are veterans. when he talks about legalizing marijuana and expunging the records of thousands of black and brown young men that have been incarcerated unfairly in our criminal justice system, that those ideas are popular and he's been able to really talk about those. i also think that senator warren had a really great debate. again being able to focus on someone like mayor bloomberg who i think is the real risk of a general election candidate on stage when it comes to being able it defeat donald trump. >> bacari, i want to ask about how joe biden did. a lot of people were watching to see if he can maintain his front-runner status in south carolina. as you point out, he brought up issues that are near and dear to south carolinians. and he fought for -- he fought for the microphone in a way that he had been a little bit deferential. i mean, we've talked about how maybe a crowded stage is not his format. he doesn't love to big foot i think other people. but last night, he dove in. listen to this moment -- >> bernie, bernie, in fact, hasn't passed much of anything. the fact of the matter is -- >> okay, but i -- >> no, no. >> i get to answer that -- >> look, the fact is -- >> you're -- you're out of time. >> i'm not. you spoke overtime, i'm going to talk. >> crowd liked that. how did you think his entire night was? >> well, i think a lot of people going into the debate rightfully so had the question about the vitality of joe biden and whether or not he could, you know, undergo the rigors of not just running for president but being the president of the united states. i think last night, you know, i saw kay benningfield last night, simone sanders last night, t.j. duckworth, i think is his name, last night. and it's somebody the rest of us got to see. somebody fighting for the time, who would fight for the country, who would fight to be the nominee. so i think that there was a question going into the debate last night that many south carolinians had. that many people had going into super tuesday, whether or not joe biden could, you know, withstand the rigor. and i think joe biden proved that. let me also comment just briefly because this has been driving me completely insane. bernie sanders as president of the united states, he cannot expunge the records of those individuals charged with marijuana crimes. can he stop saying that and everyone else? marijuana crimes are state crimes. the president of the united states cannot expunge those records. with all due respect to everyone who keeps saying that, that is something that cannot happen. and individual know that. people in south carolina, tennessee, arkansas, mississippi, alabama, north carolina, know that that is not something that's realistic. but it feeds into the fairtive that bernie sanders -- narrative that bernie sanders is promising things that cannot happen. the president of the united states is not going to expunge records from marijuana crimes. it simply cannot happen. >> i will say, though, if you go to a bernie sanders event near a college campus, which i have, he mentions the word "marijuana" and the crowd goes wild. >> i'm not mad at that problem. marijuana is good for us all. i'm saying that you cannot, you cannot expunge records for that. that's all i'm saying. >> i think what we should do is take a quick break. for a lot of the reasons. no, we have a lot more to talk about in the debate. i am curious as to what happens, the sequence of events that happens after south carolina. if for instance joe biden manages to win south carolina, what happens before next week? 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they have to elect one of those -- vote for one -- >> that is for the voters to decide. with us bakari sellers and alexandra rojas. and bakari, practically speaking, where does that leave us is an interesting question. you have the south carolina primary on saturday. up to 60% of the democratic primary voters could be african-american. then i want to put up the map of super tuesday so people can see the states that vote just three days after south carolina. you will see that some of those states are alabama, you have north carolina, tennessee, virginia. big proportions of the democratic primary voters will be firnts african-americans -- be african-americans. if joe biden can win in south carolina you believe with a commanding victory there, he might go into super tuesday are momentum and be able to do well in those states. >> i mean, i think that's what joe biden's counting on. that's all he has to count on. i mean, you come into south carolina, you do well, you win by 8, 10, 12 points. you can't have a two-point victory, that's not the expectation for joe biden. if you win by 8, 10, 12, you catapult yourself into super tuesday. you go into super tuesday and you have tennessee and you have alabama and you have north carolina, you have virginia, you have these large swaths of the democratic party which are the base of the party. you have particularly black female voters. that's something we haven't discussed a lot because we haven't had the input into the process. and people look to nevada, nevada had 6,000 to 8,000 african-american voters. in south carolina you're going to have close to a quarter million african-american voters. it's vastly different. let me also acknowledge something that i've been very critical of. i've been critical of pete buttigieg for -- throughout this campaign. i believe he has a blind spot when it comes to race the size of antarctica. however, pete buttigieg especially when compared to amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg is trying. heats listening. he's getting better on issues of race. my hat's off to pete buttigieg because i thought last night he did extremely well. >> how is amy klobuchar not trying? >> you have to ask amy klobuchar why she's not trying. >> i mean, what are you seeing? >> the fact that she has no presence -- she has absolutely no presence in south carolina. absolutely none. she has not about a presence in south carolina. when you look at super tuesday, she's not in tennessee, not in virginia, she's not in north carolina, yes, she went to little rock and needs kudos for that. if she's spending the majority of her time in oklahoma, the dakotas, and minnesota, that's not someone who wants to try to win the african-american vote. i know she's riding a wave from new hampshire, but i've spoken to amy klobuchar staffers, i've spoken to people who support amy klobucharme klobucharme klobucharment. she's -- amy klobuchar. she's been one of the if not the best candidate running for president, act like you care about the voters and bakari will be happy. i spoke about myself in the third person. sorry about. that action like you care about the way black voters tend to think and want to vote. and give us a chance to love you. she won't even do that. >> that's interesting, alexandra. what do you think? amy klobuchar's wheelhouse is middle america. she talks about that a lot, that she understands people in the heartland. she's from there. they're her neighbors. that's -- those are the people whose language she speaks. she talks about how she will be able to beat president trump on that note. so what do you think about what bakari said? >> i completely agree. when it comes to the latino community, i think that she has a similar situation going on. i think most recently she had given that interview with telemundo where she couldn't -- and i don't knock people for not knowing the name of the mexican president. when you sit on the committee forward brick and mortar store security and mexico being one of our strongest allies on the southern border, when you have human rights abuses committed by this administration, children being separated from their families, it does feel important to be able to do that outreach with obviously black voters but obviously latino voters and especially mexican americans who feel increasingly under attack by this administration. i completely agree. again, i think the bigger question for amy klobuchar is what is her path to victory right now. i don't understand -- i think the question of that comes out after i think even before south carolina is does he even have the resources to be able to compete regardless of how you feel about her. we're at the stage where if you want to defeat donald trump you have to be competitive. that is the electability argument. and i think even joe biden kind. set himself up to really have to perform really strongly in south carolina even though he's starting to dip -- this is looking like his first state. it could catapult him for super tuesday. but he has to do really, really well, and he set the bar for himself pretty high last night at the debate. >> you both bring this up, and i want your takes. sometimes you lose sight of the big picture coming out of the debates. >> sure. >> what changed? and going into the debate, bernie sanders was the front-runner. and i know that only three states have voted, but he was the front-runner. did anything happen to change that in your mind? >> no, i don't think so. i think that when you look at the folks at least responding to what their reaction was after the debate, bernie sanders is still coming out on top. i think that he's also someone that like elizabeth warren head been sort of battling these -- has been sort of battling these ideas for obviously the past year. but really has entire career. and so i think that he appeared on the stage no matter what the different takes are, not as someone that was necessarily knocked off, you know, his momentum. i think he's going into south carolina strong. and last night he talked again centering the lives of the poor and working people. this country, not necessarily listening or following polls or what's trendy. i think that he's just consistently being saying the same thing is and is -- and trying to lead people there. >> thank you both very much for the analysis. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up on "new day," we'll speak live with two of the democratic presidential candidates. we have senator amy klobuchar and tom steyer. >> i will tell you that we'll ask amy klobuchar about what bakari sellers -- i said that in third person -- about amy klobuchar. >> that berman will ask her -- >> john berman will ask what bakari had to say about her attitudes in the race. then look -- >> watch tonight's back-to-back cnn town halls. wee michael bloomberg, joe biden, amy klobuchar, and elizabeth warren. they will take questions from south carolina voters. that starts at 7:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. >> any time it's back to back to back to back -- you said back to back. >> you're right. you're right, you're right. stock futures are pointing to another ugly day on wall street as the coronavirus outbreak worsens around the world. is the trump administration ready for this? 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well the coronavirus fears. they led to the worst two-day route for wall street in more than four years. and yesterday's just awful day was a bit of a surprise given what we had expected. chief business correspondent christine romans joins us now with much more. and it's also very different than what the president said was going to happen. >> absolutely. look, the big question is can markets stabilize after two historic down days? take a look at markets now. you see that futures are -- futures are down, look, you can see that europe and asia both lower here trying to find their footing and unable to do so. looking at futures in the united states, u.s. stock index futures still lower here. look, a strong stock market and a healthy economy are central to the president's rea election message. 24 hours ago the president projected optimism. >> i see the futures are up today fairly substantially. that's very serious thing. we think we're in good shape in the united states. >> instead, stocks plummeted for the second day in a row as coronavirus fears rattled global investing. the -- investors. the dow down 879, the worst drop in history. the dow down more than 8% below the recent high, putting it close to a technical correction. the s&p and nasdaq also down. about $1.7 trillion wiped away from the s&p 500 in value in just two days. and look at the core of the problem here. look at entertainment and travel stocks like american airlines, live nation, down 9%. look, people are worried about spending money to travel and gather for group activities. important to note, the rush into the safety of the bond market pushed down the benmark ten-year year old yield to a low, reflecting concerns about slowing probably go growth. larry kudlow doubled down on the u.s. response. >> we have contained this, we have contained this. i won't say airtight but close to airtight. >> guys, the market reaction around the world tells you the global investors disagree. they are worried about the breadth of the coronavirus and the u.s. response to it. guys? >> thank you very much for all of that stark warning. joining us, cnn political commentator joe lockhart, high was white house press secretary for president clinton. this is the moment when americans need facts and need to trust president trump and the people around them to give them real information. and unfortunately, the record is very checkered on those facts. >> yeah. this is potentially a perfect political storm for donald trump because it gets at all of his weaknesses. there is a credibility gap. larry kudlow saying that yesterday was irresponsible. >> he says it's contained. that's not what the cdc said. >> the cdc said just the opposite yesterday. they have a credibility problem. they also have a governing problem. this is one of those things where, you know, when ebola happened, the president appointed my friend ron clane as an ebola czar. he was able to take the reaction and turn it into a response. the united states traditionally has taken over these things, as the leader of the superpower, the free world. we don't have that any longer. and finally, you've got president trump who thinks he can solve things by tweet and by gut, and this is something way more complicated. and his attempts to try to politically manage this could very much blow up in his face because it is not something that a tweet can solve. >> what you see here is that the president's concerned about the markets. why? because he's concerned about his re-election. why is larry kudlow saying anything about this -- >> exactly. >> i'm not aware of where larry kudlow went to med school. and there's an epidemic now, coronavirus epidemic, and what i want to hear, who i want to hear from is someone who can tell me how it's going to affect the united states. and the people with medical training are telling me that my family needs to be getting ready. again, listen to what dr. nancy ma masoonia said. she said it's not a question of if this will happen but when and how many people will have severe illness, disruption to everyday life, maybe severe. she says she's called her kids' school to find out what their contingency plans are if they have to shut down. she's saying that people have to figure out what happens if they need work remotely. now, i think this is what caused the market fear. nod up and down if i'm right. the statements from her caused the market to get nervous. investors are saying, wait, i need to be worried about my kids' school, the office shutting down? >> i think the markets are not a perfect mechanism for, you know, looking and trying to put all of the pieces together. but it's the best we have when we have a president who's not being straight with us. if you want he's not being straight with us, look at the response on capitol hill yesterday. republicans were willing to let the president and his team get away with ukraine, with russia interference. they're not willing to let him get away with this. >> we have that moment. let me play what senator john kennedy in questioning the officials who came up to brief them about this, he also was trying to get answers. listen to this moment -- >> what's the mortality rate so far? nationwide? >> i believe -- >> worldwide? >> worldwide, i believe under 2%. >> how -- how much under 2%? >> i'll get you an sanexact fig. i'm check with cdc. they're monitoring the worldwide rate, i can get that for you. >> what's the mortality rate for influenza over the last ten years in america? >> it's also around that percentage, as well. i don't have that offhand -- >> you sure about that? you sure of that? >> a little bit, yes, sir. >> that -- we don't think those numbers are accurate. we will get those specifically. also he was asked, you're the head of homeland security, do we have enough respirators or not? mr. wolf said, for patients, i don't understand the question. he went on to say, senator kennedy, for everyone, for every american who gets the disease and then mr. wolf said, well, i'd refer you to the hhs. >> yeah. i mean, we're -- we may find the limits to acting secretaries until loyalists as opposed to actual experts. and again, i think -- you know, john made the right point a minute ago in saying that the president made very clear yesterday what his concern is. not the health of the public but the health of the economy and where the stock market is. and right now, that shouldn't be their priority. y getting re-elected should not be the priority. it's counterproductive. if like katrina you prove you can't handle a public health crisis, you're not going to get re-elected even if unemployment goes to zero. it is -- they're woefully unprepared, both from a policy place but also a political place. >> people want to know what's going on. people want to know what's going on and want to be kept healthy to the extent possible here. this is not something that should be about politics. thanks for being with us. what did south carolina think of last night's debate? 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"new day" continues right now. the tenth democratic debate. stakes could not be higher. >> for over 50 billionaires -- >> it's just not true -- >> i guess the only way to do this is jump in and speak twice as long as you should. >> who funded lindsey graham's gain for re-election -- campaign for re-election last time? mayor michael bloomberg. >> people that i spent $100 million that i helped re-elect. the new democrats gave the congress the ability to control this president. i got that. >> i am scared. if we cannot pull this party together, we take a terrible risk of re-electing donald trump. >> this we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." it is wednesday, february 26th, 6:00 here in new york. messy, chaotic, embarrassing. those are just some of the choice words the pundits are using to describe last night's debate in south carolina. as predicted senator bernie sanders got the front runner treatment. most of his rivals claiming that a socialist will sink

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