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investigation. also this morning, "the new york times" reports that former national security adviser john bolton is in negotiations to testify. bolton has been described by many as alarmed with the alleged quid pro quo with ukraine. he called it, of course, a drug deal. and this morning, cnn learned that democrats were already discussing the scope and scale of potential articles of impeachment. we'll tell you how wide they will cast the net. >> and yet another major development. a source tells cnn that the attorney general bill barr's investigation of the origins of the 2016 trump/russia investigation is now a criminal matter. and that designation allows federal prosecutors to subpoena witnesses and file criminal charges. democratic chairman adam schiff and jerry nadler responding overnight saying it also raises profound concerns that the justice department has lost its independence and is being used for president trump's political whims. joins us to talk about all of this, political analyst maggie haberman, white house correspondent for "the new york times" and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, let me start with you in terms of kaitlan collins' new reporting. no surprise from what we've seen all week that they're struggling inside the white house with a cohesive -- to find a cohesive message. what is really interesting is there's a feud between the chief of staff mick mulvaney and the white house counsel about how to play this. >> yes. this is a feud that's been going on for some time. kaitlan and i have been reporting on it since the beginning of last week. clearly that has escalated. and it has escalated in a very dangerous way for the white house, according to a lot of people who are concerned, because what it means is that they're kind of -- they're just not moving. the feud means that they are not doing what they need to do. and what we have seen is because of that, congressional republicans kind of taking over the message. the president has been sending up flairs saying, do what you need to do. defend me more. what they've done on capitol hill is, because they don't know what's coming next, they don't know what they don't know and they'll admit that privately. they've been attacking the process and so they are doing that in large part because there is no direction, and there hasn't been for a month since this started from inside the white house. >> it's very important. it's very interesting to know what's going on behind the scenes because it informs our view of all of this. but, maggie, you know, it's not just that the white house has a bad system to deal with this. they have a bad fact pattern. >> correct. >> and that might be overwhelming the process. >> correct. look. we actually reported several weeks ago that mick mulvaney and pat cipillone have been at odds. it exploded over the possible hiring of trey goudy y gowdy t them to help fight an impeachment trial on the hill. cipollone and mulvaney were on opsid sides of that. they have been at odds since the transcript, that bad fact set of the president's or the rough transcript of the president's conversation with the president of ukraine came out. it was cipollone's decision to release it. mulvaney objected, as had others. the transcript itself, a lot of people in the white house and on the hill will say is, as you put it, just not a great set of facts to explain or defend. and so because of that, because of that, because of what mick mulvaney said last week from the briefing room podium and because of the president's decision to -- which he then pulled back, to hold the g7 next year at his own personal club in miami, you have folks on the hill feeling like there's just a bridge too far in what they can defend here. so they're talking about process. but there's basic agreement among witnesses who have gone to the hill on what took place around this ukraine controversy. and none of that is beneficial to the president. just on its face it's not. >> next week we'll -- we expect to hear from two people who were on that phone call, though we have the rough transcript, i'm not sure what more they'll provide, but they were on the call. so it sounds also as one of the debates inside the white house right now about their strategy is whether to hire more communications people and to set up a war room. that's something that joe lockhart on our air has been recommending because he lived through the clinton impeachment. that's something he's recommended. obviously, this is sort of inside baseball but it matters because if they do all of that, next week the messaging may change. >> maybe. except there's one difference. the impeachment process during joe lockhart's time had bill clinton. had bill clinton without twitter. had bill clinton who was convinced, stay focused on issues that you can control and not this. he didn't talk about impeachment. it is the opposite of this president who, by nature, always wants to be his top communicator. thinks he can do it the way nobody else can. he can communicate with his base like no one else can. and so no matter how big a war room or how small a war room, you still have a president who is going to overtake whatever it is that they decide to do. now there have been times in trump's political history, as short as it is, where his back is up against the wall and he's convinced -- they've convinced him, just take a breath. the end of the campaign in 2016, they convinced him, please do not tweet, and he didn't, and they won. there were lots of other factors there, but that's a time they convinced him. that's hard to see that happening right now. >> we've already heard so much key testimony that was bigger than we thought it would be. next week there's some potential explosive testimony as well, including from tim morrison, a top national security adviser in the national security council who cnn reported overnight will corroborate key elements to bill taylor's testimony which got to the idea of, whether there was a quid pro quo. taylor testifies, i was alarmed by what mr. morrison, tim morrison told me about the sondland conversation. this was the first time i had heard that the security assistance not just the white house meeting was conditioned on investigations. so morrison was the one who told taylor the facts about what taylor believed was a quid pro quo. interesting in and of itself. also interesting that tim morrison, who works inside the white house, maggie is going to testify and corroborate some of this. >> i think that's exactly right in terms of him going ahead. look, we have seen the white house has tried to put a blanket, nobody should cooperate with this message out. and you have seen not everyone, but a number of people still going up to the hill under subpoena and testifying anyway. i think they might be being careful about certain things they can't talk about because of possible executive privilege. they're not adopting the stance of we're just not going to take part in this. i do think -- the cnn report was terrific on tim morrison. i do wonder whether he's going to say that he saw a problem with this because based on the cnn reporting, he's not going to say that. and some of this, john, comes down to, on the defense, the republicans have had, this is their issue with the process. transcripts are not being released. their argument is that details are being cherry-picked. now i still think this is objectively not a great set of facts. their argument is that it's in the shading of those facts, and so it sounds like morrison is going to corroborate a fair amount of what bill taylor said. it also sounds if the cnn report is accurate as if morrison is going to say, he didn't see a problem with this phone call. and then we get down what the republican argument has been that it's in the eye of the beholder. >> one of the people who did see a problem with it that we also might fhear from next week is john bolton. john bolton is also at the center of all of this. and from the reporting behind the scenes, he did have a problem with it. he was the person telling some of these folks, you should take notes of this. you should send this to mike pompeo and perhaps contact the lawyer back at, you know, the state department about some of this stuff. so it would be obviously instrument tool hear from him. >> no question. it's hard to imagine that he hasn't been quietly talking to people on capitol hill, some of his friends, as this has been going on. and he -- we talked about this last hour. he's somebody with an ax to grind. he has no allegiance to this president at all, given the way that he was thrown to the curb and words were passed, you know, from both he and the president. and so that is one reality. the other reality is the facts and what you were saying that he isn't somebody who -- it's hard to imagine, based on his real experience and convictions on foreign policy would be okay with this kind of behavior. whether he wants to be that guy, whether he wants to be the guy who comes out, not just says it in private but says it in public, this was unacceptable. what i saw was not okay, that's an open question because what maggie was saying about morrison and others who have come out, particularly morrison who we expect him to say, to corroborate the idea that this was a quid pro quo for the money, if he doesn't say i saw a problem with that in a public hearing, republicans are going to do, you know -- going to sort of dance all over that when it comes to forming and shaping public opinion. >> on the issue of john bolton on that subject, i have to say, shakespeare couldn't have written it. alisyn camerota and -- >> there's a reason you always have that here. >> but no fiction author could conceive of a moment when democrats were counting or depending on or leaning on john bolton to help them make a political argument? maggie it stretches the imagination. >> look, like dana, i'm -- i want to wait and see what bolton actually says because it's very easy for other people to characterize what bolton was saying based on anonymous quotes. it's quite another thing when you're under oath. and i'm looking forward to seeing what he actually says. but, certainly, john bolton as resistance hero was not part of the bingo game that i had seen heading into this. >> quote of the day. >> magie, thank you very much. vice president mike pence. he went after the nba because of how it has addressed the issue surrounding china. it's interesting because mike pence has one message for the nba but a nonmessage for his boss. this morning a new response from beijing, next. lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. so you can enjoy it even if you're sensitive. yet some say it isn't real milk. i guess those cows must actually be big dogs. sit! i said sit! with pronamel repair toothpaste, more minerals enter deep into the enamel's surface. you have an opportunity to repair what's already been 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bremer, the president and founder of eurasia group and g-zero media. great to have you here. mike pence said that before. he's said that before. and the criticism of the nba, i know it's one that you share and has been out there. but president trump hasn't exactly been a vocal defender of the protesters in hong kong. >> human rights generally has taken a back seat in this administration's foreign policy. trump specifically has said that he's not going to bring up hong kong as long as the trade talks are ongoing. getting that done is something that feels more urgent for him right now with the u.s. economy softening and the impact of the trade deal on the u.s. economy growing. but there's no question pence was out there loud and proud on the uighurs, on nba, on hong kong. it's different than the message you'll be hearing from president trump directly. >> but chastizing the nba, but not having your own boss say anything about china, is that hypocritical? >> pence's point historically has been that these american companies should be more patriotic. and to be fair, the nba isn't just not taking a position. they forced the houston rockets morey to take his tweet down that was supporting the hong kong demonstrators. the owner of the new jersey nets heard a three-page pro-beijing communist screed. it's still up today. if the nba was only writing about trump in a positive way, only talking about trump in a positive way and never letting their players or management say anything negative about the administration. it would be inconceivable for them to do that in the united states, and yet that is the position de facto in china. which is kind of extraordinary. it would be weird for the administration not to be calling that out, frankly. >> interesting also -- just how far the reach of this has gone and how much we hear about this discussion now that we're two or three games into the nba season. charles barkley commented on mike pence's remarks last night. listen to this. >> vice president pence needs to shut the hell up. these locholier than thou politicians, if they're worried about china, why don't they stop all transactions with china. just because this happened, try to make the nba and our players look bad. all american companies do business in china. >> if that was on tnt, i want to hear what shaq said back to him because shaq is the one person out there affiliated with the nba that's had the willingness to go out there and say, i support morey. it was courageous for him to do. while lebron is, no, no, no, he wasn't educated on china. give me a break. now the reason lebron can do that, shaq can do that is because he's not a current player. current player can't do it. i understand barkley completely. it's hypocrisy in trump on human rights on this issue. but to say that the nba shouldn't be open to criticism given their position in the u.s. and the position in china, we've got a much bigger problem which is that american companies that like to have global values, they like to say we're about democracy and free speech, but suddenly, the -- one of their biggest markets in the world and soon to be the largest economy in the world, is a country that says if you want to play ball here, quite literally, you are going to have to change your view of those values. and most of these companies are absolutely willing to do it. but in my field, we don't take money from chinese companies. and if we did, my ability to get on with you guys this morning and have this conversation would be seriously constrained. my analysts would be under pressure. they'd say you want to keep working with us? no way. the banks have this problem. the big consulting firms have this problem. this is not limited to the nba, but the nba has really stepped in. >> can't shaq just say whatever he wants? >> shaq can say whatever he wants. i think barkley can, too. these are big boys. >> they are. i've interviewed shaq once. i came up to like his thigh. >> if i were on his show being interviewed, i'd be saying, yes, sir. >> nice to know where your allegiances lie. a final farewell today to the master of the house. congressman elijah cummings. we'll take you to baltimore, next. that life of the party look walk it off look one more mile look reply all look own your look... ...with fewer lines. there's only one botox® cosmetic. it's the only one... ...fda approved... ...to temporarily make frown lines... ...crow's feet... ...and forehead lines... ...look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic, may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve 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congressman. people who got here as early as 4:00 in the morning just to line up. they wanted to make sure that they were able to see him during this public viewing that started at 8:00 a.m. and this really goes to show you the kind of politician that cummings was. he was the son of a share cropper. someone who never forgot his roots. not only a staunch defender of baltimore but a champion of the people. somebody who people believed went to capitol hill to fight for the people and did so with class and grace. we heard from democrats and republicans who said that cummings never conflated politics and personal. something we know from his unique friendship with republican mark meadows. listen to what meadows said about his friend yesterday. >> he's defined by the character of his heart, the honesty of his dialogue and the man that -- the man that we will miss. perhaps this place in this country would be better served with a few more unexpected friendships. i know i've been blessed by one. >> you can hear that emotion there in his voice. he will be very missed. i want to note, of all the names we justice mentioned coming, we're also going to see a lot of the 2020 candidates. joe biden and elizabeth warren. but one person not expected to be here today, president donald trump. john? >> thank you very much. among the powerful speakers at yesterday's ceremony on capitol hill, congressman emmanuel cleburne. listen. >> our hearts are made heavy by the transition of our colleague, our family member, our loved one, the mahogany marylander, elijah cummings. >> what lovely words. joining me is emmanuel cleaver. thank you for being with us. and yesterday was so deeply moving to watch that. and i think one of the things that made it so moving to so many of us was it was people in both parties, both chambers coming together as one. just talk to us about the emotion in the room. >> well, there was a lot of emotion because for many people there, elijah cummings was a symbol that we never thought we would have leave us. and the symbol was this. extremely intelligent. able to work with anyone. the people who clean the halls, the people in the cafeteria, they all loved elijah cummings. and i think there were probably 120 people in there at least who thought he was their best friend. it was a powerful, powerful, but painful moment for almost all of us. and, i mean, we're going to miss him. how many people do you know would be working, sitting on the side of their death bed and not giving any signs that they're in pain or complaining at all? he worked his last few hours on the earth, and all of us could just hope we could go out like that. >> i saw the courage in the work ethic of elijah cummings myself on the streets of baltimore during the protests there. he put his body on the line. his health on the line again and again. one of the things i was surprised by, frankly, is that congressman cummings, the first african-american to lie in state. there have been other african-americans to lie in the capitol but first african-american to lie in state. wonder if you can discuss the significance of that. >> it's significant. the nation has been around for about 243 years, and we've had a lot of people to lie in state over the decades, but elijah cummings was so powerful that i think, and nancy pelosi went to senate leader mcconnell. the way it has to happen is the speaker of the house and the leader, the minority in the house would have to get the agreement from the senate side for this to happen. and they were able to get it. and so we were able to have something that all of us appreciated. i am not sure that this would have happened but for nancy pelosi. >> and probably but for the stature of elijah cummings himself and how much he gave to the country. >> yes. >> i was reading, and this made me smile, that you had a longstanding dispute with elijah cummings because you felt he was moving in on your turf. you are a man of faith, a man of cloth, a preacher. he's a man of the law. you thought he too often strayed into your territory. >> he did. and we had contemplated, some of my friends and i introducing legislation that would prohibit federally for a lawyer to practice the ministry. he wasn't supporting the legislation, but, you know, i looked up and he was performing weddings and doing all these things. i thought he was out of place. and i reminded his family of that during the ceremony yesterday. and everybody chuckled because they knew i was telling the truth. i called him the bootleg preacher based in baltimore. >> that's wonderful. i want to play you some sound from chairman cummings who, as you noted, was working right up until the very end. and i'm sure is working now in his own way. but we want to listen to the mag he wassending to the american people in july. >> i'm begging the american people to pay attention to what is going on because if you want to have a democracy intact, for your children and your children's children and generations yet unborn, we have got to guard this moment. this is our watch. >> this is our watch, said chairman cummings. why is that an important message to you? >> you know, and that was one of the most important messages. i was one of the people who said i was not going to support impeachment inquiry or anything else until we were able to get more information forth. when the president of the united states attacked elijah cummings for no reason other than he needed a foil for the day, that's when i made a decision i was going to support him. but the other side of that is that elijah cummings knows more than i know about what's been going on. you know, he goes to the scif. he has data that we don't have. and for him to make that statement and others without divulging much has created a chilling feeling in my soul. and the whole country had better pay attention to this moment. elijah cummings issued a warning. >> congressman cleaver, thank you for being with us. we're very sorry for your loss, the loss of your friend chairman cummings. and you're back home in missouri dealing with some other loss so thanks for being with us. >> thank you. today will be so moving to see it yesterday in the capitol with both parties. it was wonderful. it was genuinely nice. and i expect to see more of that emotion today. >> what a loss. obviously, not just for the democratic party. for democracy. we've been playing the sound bites of when congressman cummings would just talk about democracy and how important it was and how he'd given his career for it. and those -- his sound is always so stirring. you're reminded of what he was fighting for. >> we'll cover this all throughout the day. we'll be right back. motor? nope. not motor? it's pronounced "motaur." for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. for those who were born to ride, and you'll experience a whole new range of emotions like... of a travel site the relaxing feeling of knowing you're getting the 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more than 18 million californians under red flag warnings as nine fires ravage the state. look at those pictures. the biggest is burning in sonoma county. another raging out of control in los angeles county. in all about 30,000 acres have burned so far. cnn's nick watt is live in canyon country. nick, we can see that house behind you. they just put out those flames moments ago. tell us what's going on. >> john, we're in canyon country just north of los angeles. this fire broke out yesterday afternoon and, boy, did it explode, up to about 200 acres in just 20 minutes or so. just through that dry brush with these high winds. 20 miles an hour sustained. we'll get gusts about 70. and i'm wearing the goggles because the embers are the issue as always in this wind. you can see they've touched this house here. a few minutes ago, if you can just pan over here, we had embers hit this house as well. and while all this is going on, there are also a bit of blame game as well. you know, governor gavin newsom who has put a lot more money towards fire safety hired nearly 400 more seasonal firefighters. he's saying the utility companies which have been cutting power to try and prevent sparking fires, he is saying, sure, that's all good and well, but the communication is not good and also they didn't anticipate. he is saying that it is dog eat dog capitalism meets climate change. as you mentioned, many fires raging throughout the state. we're going to have high winds here down around los angeles, through tonight. that kinkade fire, 16,000 acres still burning up in sonoma, and saturday into sunday, red flag warnings up in the sacramento valley. john, it is fire season here in southern california. alisyn, back to you. >> nick, it does not look like that house behind you has actually been put out. so please be careful out there as you cover the wildfires for us. thank you very much. now to this -- police in rural alabama are taking a different approach with drug offenders that does 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officers can listen and offer mercy. martin savidge, cnn, summington, alabama. >> good for them. >> what a wonderful program. that is so helpful for addicts. right now, here is what else to watch today. democrats are continuing their impeachment investigation as the white house now tries to step up its messaging strategy. so we'll get the bottom line on all of this, next. 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>> i think bill taylor's testimony is a kind of turning point in constitutional terms, if you will, in terms of kind of building a quasi legal case. i don't know that it is the turning point politically for republicans. remember, if you look at the nixon impeachment, until there was the discovery of the taping mechanism, you know, you had at this point john dean's testimony, even transcripts. until the republicans knew the president was on tape telling the -- saying let's tell the fbi to back off and claim this is a national security, there were very few republicans who were in favor. so i think this process moves much more slowly and only if it seems as though politically it's viable will republicans switch, and i don't think today -- this week changed that. >> i want to play a clip from this special. and he talks about what he sees in this case which makes impeachable a real thing. watch. >> extremely clear that it is a quid pro quo. it's laughable to think that the president was not trying to gain personally in investigating joe biden. >> this constitutional scholar is worried about the very survival of america's defining document. >> absolutely essential to the entire constitutional structure if the president abuses his power, congress has to check the president's actions. it's the only branch with that authority and responsibility, and that's what the impeachment process is fundamentally for. and the constitution will fail. >> it's interesting you just told us that feldman did not think impeachment was practical after or during mueller but now does. to the larger issue, though, of abuse of power, which is the words that he used, why is that so important in the historical context? >> you know, when the foundered created the presidency, they were worried they were creating an elected monarch. because, remember, the revolution takes place to get away from a monarch. and the way they set it up was each branch was designed to check the other. this is a very -- madison says in federalist 51, ambition must be made to counteract ambition. so the whole point was, if the president does something wrong, there is only one recourse. you remember richard nixon very famously said if the president does it, it means it's not illegal. he was technically right. what he means is the president is immune from prosecution by his own justice department. because the only check on him is congressional, and the only real check, the only serious check is impeachment. so if you say, you know, the bar is so high it can never be reached, what you're saying is the president is essentially unaccountable and the founders did not mean that. >> what about the process argument that republicans seemingly have been trying to make? they are saying this is not what happened in the clinton impeachment or watergate. and they're hanging their hats on that. what do you make of that argument? >> constitutionally, they are on very thin grounds. the power -- the house can organize impeachment pretty much as it wants. there is no constraint in the constitution. it's sort of like the president's pardon powers. they are unfettered. now politically, i think the democrats should do exactly -- should follow the historical precedent. they should allow republicans to call witnesses. they would argue they are going to do that. they are at a different stage in the process. they are now in the fact-finding stage. i think optics matter. impeachment is a political process. you want public support. i think they would gain public support if they were to do it this way. i think they know the republicans will use that as a theater rather than some kind of serious investigation. be that as it may, politics is politics. you want to win the public's support. >> so far democrats not pulling any republicans over to the pro-impeachment side. but historically speaking, what happened in watergate? >> so i think -- as i said, before alexander butterfield comes and testifies that nixon is on tape, no republicans. even two months before richard nixon resigned, there were very few republicans on his side. and almost nobody from the house. what happens is a group of senators decide really for constitutional reasons, for reasons, their legacy, history, the constitution requiring it that they should vote to impeach, to convict president nixon. and they go to see him. and they tell him they'll not be able to support him. and nixon decides to resign. so if you imagine if some trajectory, it's going to be right at the end, and it's going to be a small number of senators. >> fareed zakaria, thank you. you can watch his special report "on the brink, when a president faces impeachment" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern toom. a colorado teacher nate white credits the 2018 top ten cnn hero, amanda boxtel for helping him overcome the odds. he is now walking independently again following a kayaking accident that left him paralyzed from the waist down. anderson cooper shares nate's story as we count down to the big reveal of the 2019 top ten cnn heroes. >> reporter: three years ago, nate white injured his spine in a kayaking accident and was told he'd never walk again. but his hard work and determination, along with amanda's incredible help, has paid off. >> i'm a robot. >> reporter: a year ago, he did this. and now, just three years after his accident, he's doing this. >> amanda always believed that i was going to be walking again. >> he's living the miracle of what we all aspire for. this is the power of technology that everybody should have access to. that's my goal. >> they're all my favorites. every time we see one, they're my favorite. >> thank goodness this is not just up to you. >> 2019's top ten cnn heroes will be revealed on wednesday. find out who will get recognized this year. all morning we've been following new developments, big developments in the impeachment investigation. democrats will work into the weekend. we'll tell you what they're looking into, next. your destination. ♪ (vo) the all-new subaru outback. dog tested. dog approved. i can'twhat? 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investigation. also this morning, "the new york times" reports that former national security adviser john bolton is in negotiations to testify. bolton has been described by many as alarmed with the alleged quid pro quo with ukraine. he called it, of course, a drug deal. and this morning, cnn learned that democrats were already discussing the scope and scale of potential articles of impeachment. we'll tell you how wide they will cast the net. >> and yet another major development. a source tells cnn that the attorney general bill barr's investigation of the origins of the 2016 trump/russia investigation is now a criminal matter. and that designation allows federal prosecutors to subpoena witnesses and file criminal charges. democratic chairman adam schiff and jerry nadler responding overnight saying it also raises profound concerns that the justice department has lost its independence and is being used for president trump's political whims. joins us to talk about all of this, political analyst maggie haberman, white house correspondent for "the new york times" and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, let me start with you in terms of kaitlan collins' new reporting. no surprise from what we've seen all week that they're struggling inside the white house with a cohesive -- to find a cohesive message. what is really interesting is there's a feud between the chief of staff mick mulvaney and the white house counsel about how to play this. >> yes. this is a feud that's been going on for some time. kaitlan and i have been reporting on it since the beginning of last week. clearly that has escalated. and it has escalated in a very dangerous way for the white house, according to a lot of people who are concerned, because what it means is that they're kind of -- they're just not moving. the feud means that they are not doing what they need to do. and what we have seen is because of that, congressional republicans kind of taking over the message. the president has been sending up flairs saying, do what you need to do. defend me more. what they've done on capitol hill is, because they don't know what's coming next, they don't know what they don't know and they'll admit that privately. they've been attacking the process and so they are doing that in large part because there is no direction, and there hasn't been for a month since this started from inside the white house. >> it's very important. it's very interesting to know what's going on behind the scenes because it informs our view of all of this. but, maggie, you know, it's not just that the white house has a bad system to deal with this. they have a bad fact pattern. >> correct. >> and that might be overwhelming the process. >> correct. look. we actually reported several weeks ago that mick mulvaney and pat cipillone have been at odds. it exploded over the possible hiring of trey goudy y gowdy t them to help fight an impeachment trial on the hill. cipollone and mulvaney were on opsid sides of that. they have been at odds since the transcript, that bad fact set of the president's or the rough transcript of the president's conversation with the president of ukraine came out. it was cipollone's decision to release it. mulvaney objected, as had others. the transcript itself, a lot of people in the white house and on the hill will say is, as you put it, just not a great set of facts to explain or defend. and so because of that, because of that, because of what mick mulvaney said last week from the briefing room podium and because of the president's decision to -- which he then pulled back, to hold the g7 next year at his own personal club in miami, you have folks on the hill feeling like there's just a bridge too far in what they can defend here. so they're talking about process. but there's basic agreement among witnesses who have gone to the hill on what took place around this ukraine controversy. and none of that is beneficial to the president. just on its face it's not. >> next week we'll -- we expect to hear from two people who were on that phone call, though we have the rough transcript, i'm not sure what more they'll provide, but they were on the call. so it sounds also as one of the debates inside the white house right now about their strategy is whether to hire more communications people and to set up a war room. that's something that joe lockhart on our air has been recommending because he lived through the clinton impeachment. that's something he's recommended. obviously, this is sort of inside baseball but it matters because if they do all of that, next week the messaging may change. >> maybe. except there's one difference. the impeachment process during joe lockhart's time had bill clinton. had bill clinton without twitter. had bill clinton who was convinced, stay focused on issues that you can control and not this. he didn't talk about impeachment. it is the opposite of this president who, by nature, always wants to be his top communicator. thinks he can do it the way nobody else can. he can communicate with his base like no one else can. and so no matter how big a war room or how small a war room, you still have a president who is going to overtake whatever it is that they decide to do. now there have been times in trump's political history, as short as it is, where his back is up against the wall and he's convinced -- they've convinced him, just take a breath. the end of the campaign in 2016, they convinced him, please do not tweet, and he didn't, and they won. there were lots of other factors there, but that's a time they convinced him. that's hard to see that happening right now. >> we've already heard so much key testimony that was bigger than we thought it would be. next week there's some potential explosive testimony as well, including from tim morrison, a top national security adviser in the national security council who cnn reported overnight will corroborate key elements to bill taylor's testimony which got to the idea of, whether there was a quid pro quo. taylor testifies, i was alarmed by what mr. morrison, tim morrison told me about the sondland conversation. this was the first time i had heard that the security assistance not just the white house meeting was conditioned on investigations. so morrison was the one who told taylor the facts about what taylor believed was a quid pro quo. interesting in and of itself. also interesting that tim morrison, who works inside the white house, maggie is going to testify and corroborate some of this. >> i think that's exactly right in terms of him going ahead. look, we have seen the white house has tried to put a blanket, nobody should cooperate with this message out. and you have seen not everyone, but a number of people still going up to the hill under subpoena and testifying anyway. i think they might be being careful about certain things they can't talk about because of possible executive privilege. they're not adopting the stance of we're just not going to take part in this. i do think -- the cnn report was terrific on tim morrison. i do wonder whether he's going to say that he saw a problem with this because based on the cnn reporting, he's not going to say that. and some of this, john, comes down to, on the defense, the republicans have had, this is their issue with the process. transcripts are not being released. their argument is that details are being cherry-picked. now i still think this is objectively not a great set of facts. their argument is that it's in the shading of those facts, and so it sounds like morrison is going to corroborate a fair amount of what bill taylor said. it also sounds if the cnn report is accurate as if morrison is going to say, he didn't see a problem with this phone call. and then we get down what the republican argument has been that it's in the eye of the beholder. >> one of the people who did see a problem with it that we also might fhear from next week is john bolton. john bolton is also at the center of all of this. and from the reporting behind the scenes, he did have a problem with it. he was the person telling some of these folks, you should take notes of this. you should send this to mike pompeo and perhaps contact the lawyer back at, you know, the state department about some of this stuff. so it would be obviously instrument tool hear from him. >> no question. it's hard to imagine that he hasn't been quietly talking to people on capitol hill, some of his friends, as this has been going on. and he -- we talked about this last hour. he's somebody with an ax to grind. he has no allegiance to this president at all, given the way that he was thrown to the curb and words were passed, you know, from both he and the president. and so that is one reality. the other reality is the facts and what you were saying that he isn't somebody who -- it's hard to imagine, based on his real experience and convictions on foreign policy would be okay with this kind of behavior. whether he wants to be that guy, whether he wants to be the guy who comes out, not just says it in private but says it in public, this was unacceptable. what i saw was not okay, that's an open question because what maggie was saying about morrison and others who have come out, particularly morrison who we expect him to say, to corroborate the idea that this was a quid pro quo for the money, if he doesn't say i saw a problem with that in a public hearing, republicans are going to do, you know -- going to sort of dance all over that when it comes to forming and shaping public opinion. >> on the issue of john bolton on that subject, i have to say, shakespeare couldn't have written it. alisyn camerota and -- >> there's a reason you always have that here. >> but no fiction author could conceive of a moment when democrats were counting or depending on or leaning on john bolton to help them make a political argument? maggie it stretches the imagination. >> look, like dana, i'm -- i want to wait and see what bolton actually says because it's very easy for other people to characterize what bolton was saying based on anonymous quotes. it's quite another thing when you're under oath. and i'm looking forward to seeing what he actually says. but, certainly, john bolton as resistance hero was not part of the bingo game that i had seen heading into this. >> quote of the day. >> magie, thank you very much. vice president mike pence. he went after the nba because of how it has addressed the issue surrounding china. it's interesting because mike pence has one message for the nba but a nonmessage for his boss. this morning a new response from beijing, next. lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. so you can enjoy it even if you're sensitive. yet some say it isn't real milk. i guess those cows must actually be big dogs. sit! i said sit! with pronamel repair toothpaste, more minerals enter deep into the enamel's surface. you have an opportunity to repair what's already been 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bremer, the president and founder of eurasia group and g-zero media. great to have you here. mike pence said that before. he's said that before. and the criticism of the nba, i know it's one that you share and has been out there. but president trump hasn't exactly been a vocal defender of the protesters in hong kong. >> human rights generally has taken a back seat in this administration's foreign policy. trump specifically has said that he's not going to bring up hong kong as long as the trade talks are ongoing. getting that done is something that feels more urgent for him right now with the u.s. economy softening and the impact of the trade deal on the u.s. economy growing. but there's no question pence was out there loud and proud on the uighurs, on nba, on hong kong. it's different than the message you'll be hearing from president trump directly. >> but chastizing the nba, but not having your own boss say anything about china, is that hypocritical? >> pence's point historically has been that these american companies should be more patriotic. and to be fair, the nba isn't just not taking a position. they forced the houston rockets morey to take his tweet down that was supporting the hong kong demonstrators. the owner of the new jersey nets heard a three-page pro-beijing communist screed. it's still up today. if the nba was only writing about trump in a positive way, only talking about trump in a positive way and never letting their players or management say anything negative about the administration. it would be inconceivable for them to do that in the united states, and yet that is the position de facto in china. which is kind of extraordinary. it would be weird for the administration not to be calling that out, frankly. >> interesting also -- just how far the reach of this has gone and how much we hear about this discussion now that we're two or three games into the nba season. charles barkley commented on mike pence's remarks last night. listen to this. >> vice president pence needs to shut the hell up. these locholier than thou politicians, if they're worried about china, why don't they stop all transactions with china. just because this happened, try to make the nba and our players look bad. all american companies do business in china. >> if that was on tnt, i want to hear what shaq said back to him because shaq is the one person out there affiliated with the nba that's had the willingness to go out there and say, i support morey. it was courageous for him to do. while lebron is, no, no, no, he wasn't educated on china. give me a break. now the reason lebron can do that, shaq can do that is because he's not a current player. current player can't do it. i understand barkley completely. it's hypocrisy in trump on human rights on this issue. but to say that the nba shouldn't be open to criticism given their position in the u.s. and the position in china, we've got a much bigger problem which is that american companies that like to have global values, they like to say we're about democracy and free speech, but suddenly, the -- one of their biggest markets in the world and soon to be the largest economy in the world, is a country that says if you want to play ball here, quite literally, you are going to have to change your view of those values. and most of these companies are absolutely willing to do it. but in my field, we don't take money from chinese companies. and if we did, my ability to get on with you guys this morning and have this conversation would be seriously constrained. my analysts would be under pressure. they'd say you want to keep working with us? no way. the banks have this problem. the big consulting firms have this problem. this is not limited to the nba, but the nba has really stepped in. >> can't shaq just say whatever he wants? >> shaq can say whatever he wants. i think barkley can, too. these are big boys. >> they are. i've interviewed shaq once. i came up to like his thigh. >> if i were on his show 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congressman. people who got here as early as 4:00 in the morning just to line up. they wanted to make sure that they were able to see him during this public viewing that started at 8:00 a.m. and this really goes to show you the kind of politician that cummings was. he was the son of a share cropper. someone who never forgot his roots. not only a staunch defender of baltimore but a champion of the people. somebody who people believed went to capitol hill to fight for the people and did so with class and grace. we heard from democrats and republicans who said that cummings never conflated politics and personal. something we know from his unique friendship with republican mark meadows. listen to what meadows said about his friend yesterday. >> he's defined by the character of his heart, the honesty of his dialogue and the man that -- the man that we will miss. perhaps this place in this country would be better served with a few more unexpected friendships. i know i've been blessed by one. >> you can hear that emotion there in his voice. he will be very missed. i want to note, of all the names we justice mentioned coming, we're also going to see a lot of the 2020 candidates. joe biden and elizabeth warren. but one person not expected to be here today, president donald trump. john? >> thank you very much. among the powerful speakers at yesterday's ceremony on capitol hill, congressman emmanuel cleburne. listen. >> our hearts are made heavy by the transition of our colleague, our family member, our loved one, the mahogany marylander, elijah cummings. >> what lovely words. joining me is emmanuel cleaver. thank you for being with us. and yesterday was so deeply moving to watch that. and i think one of the things that made it so moving to so many of us was it was people in both parties, both chambers coming together as one. just talk to us about the emotion in the room. >> well, there was a lot of emotion because for many people there, elijah cummings was a symbol that we never thought we would have leave us. and the symbol was this. extremely intelligent. able to work with anyone. the people who clean the halls, the people in the cafeteria, they all loved elijah cummings. and i think there were probably 120 people in there at least who thought he was their best friend. it was a powerful, powerful, but painful moment for almost all of us. and, i mean, we're going to miss him. how many people do you know would be working, sitting on the side of their death bed and not giving any signs that they're in pain or complaining at all? he worked his last few hours on the earth, and all of us could just hope we could go out like that. >> i saw the courage in the work ethic of elijah cummings myself on the streets of baltimore during the protests there. he put his body on the line. his health on the line again and again. one of the things i was surprised by, frankly, is that congressman cummings, the first african-american to lie in state. there have been other african-americans to lie in the capitol but first african-american to lie in state. wonder if you can discuss the significance of that. >> it's significant. the nation has been around for about 243 years, and we've had a lot of people to lie in state over the decades, but elijah cummings was so powerful that i think, and nancy pelosi went to senate leader mcconnell. the way it has to happen is the speaker of the house and the leader, the minority in the house would have to get the agreement from the senate side for this to happen. and they were able to get it. and so we were able to have something that all of us appreciated. i am not sure that this would have happened but for nancy pelosi. >> and probably but for the stature of elijah cummings himself and how much he gave to the country. >> yes. >> i was reading, and this made me smile, that you had a longstanding dispute with elijah cummings because you felt he was moving in on your turf. you are a man of faith, a man of cloth, a preacher. he's a man of the law. you thought he too often strayed into your territory. >> he did. and we had contemplated, some of my friends and i introducing legislation that would prohibit federally for a lawyer to practice the ministry. he wasn't supporting the legislation, but, you know, i looked up and he was performing weddings and doing all these things. i thought he was out of place. and i reminded his family of that during the ceremony yesterday. and everybody chuckled because they knew i was telling the truth. i called him the bootleg preacher based in baltimore. >> that's wonderful. i want to play you some sound from chairman cummings who, as you noted, was working right up until the very end. and i'm sure is working now in his own way. but we want to listen to the mag he wassending to the american people in july. >> i'm begging the american people to pay attention to what is going on because if you want to have a democracy intact, for your children and your children's children and generations yet unborn, we have got to guard this moment. this is our watch. >> this is our watch, said chairman cummings. why is that an important message to you? >> you know, and that was one of the most important messages. i was one of the people who said i was not going to support impeachment inquiry or anything else until we were able to get more information forth. when the president of the united states attacked elijah cummings for no reason other than he needed a foil for the day, that's when i made a decision i was going to support him. but the other side of that is that elijah cummings knows more than i know about what's been going on. you know, he goes to the scif. he has data that we don't have. and for him to make that statement and others without divulging much has created a chilling feeling in my soul. and the whole country had better pay attention to this moment. elijah cummings issued a warning. >> congressman cleaver, thank you for being with us. we're very sorry for your loss, the loss of your friend chairman cummings. and you're back home in missouri dealing with some other loss so thanks for being with us. >> thank you. today will be so moving to see it yesterday in the capitol with both parties. it was wonderful. it was genuinely nice. and i expect to see more of that emotion today. >> what a loss. obviously, not just for the democratic party. for democracy. we've been playing the sound bites of when congressman cummings would just talk about democracy and how important it was and how he'd given his career for it. and those -- his sound is always so stirring. you're reminded of what he was fighting for. >> we'll cover this all throughout the day. we'll be right back. motor? nope. not motor? it's pronounced "motaur." for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. for those who were born to ride, and you'll experience a whole new range of emotions like... of a travel site the relaxing feeling of knowing you're getting the 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more than 18 million californians under red flag warnings as nine fires ravage the state. look at those pictures. the biggest is burning in sonoma county. another raging out of control in los angeles county. in all about 30,000 acres have burned so far. cnn's nick watt is live in canyon country. nick, we can see that house behind you. they just put out those flames moments ago. tell us what's going on. >> john, we're in canyon country just north of los angeles. this fire broke out yesterday afternoon and, boy, did it explode, up to about 200 acres in just 20 minutes or so. just through that dry brush with these high winds. 20 miles an hour sustained. we'll get gusts about 70. and i'm wearing the goggles because the embers are the issue as always in this wind. you can see they've touched this house here. a few minutes ago, if you can just pan over here, we had embers hit this house as well. and while all this is going on, there are also a bit of blame game as well. you know, governor gavin newsom who has put a lot more money towards fire safety hired nearly 400 more seasonal firefighters. he's saying the utility companies which have been cutting power to try and prevent sparking fires, he is saying, sure, that's all good and well, but the communication is not good and also they didn't anticipate. he is saying that it is dog eat dog capitalism meets climate change. as you mentioned, many fires raging throughout the state. we're going to have high winds here down around los angeles, through tonight. that kinkade fire, 16,000 acres still burning up in sonoma, and saturday into sunday, red flag warnings up in the sacramento valley. john, it is fire season here in southern california. alisyn, back to you. >> nick, it does not look like that house behind you has actually been put out. so please be careful out there as you cover the wildfires for us. thank you very much. now to this -- police in rural alabama are taking a different approach with drug offenders that does 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to know mercy. the mercy project helps those struggling with addiction get into state or faith-based treatment programs. >> we're going to help you with your journey until you get on your feet. we want to invest in you. >> reporter: it's the brain child of walker county sheriff nick smith, deputy tj armstrong manages the program. >> it's starting to understand a little bit more that it's not about just trying to lock people up. but it's about actually helping that individual. especially in small towns. >> reporter: the service is free for any alabama resident. amanda cole is one of the 45 people the program's rescued since january. >> i've been wanting to get help probably for the past two years. >> reporter: now her two children have their mother back. officer sammia doesn't yet know what the future holds for the woman he helped. >> would you do it again? >> i sure would. >> no question? >> without thinking twice. >> reporter: but he's glad to have a new policing approach where officers can listen and offer mercy. martin savidge, cnn, summington, alabama. >> good for them. >> what a wonderful program. that is so helpful for addicts. right now, here is what else to watch today. democrats are continuing their impeachment investigation as the white house now tries to step up its messaging strategy. so we'll get the bottom line on all of this, next. 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>> i think bill taylor's testimony is a kind of turning point in constitutional terms, if you will, in terms of kind of building a quasi legal case. i don't know that it is the turning point politically for republicans. remember, if you look at the nixon impeachment, until there was the discovery of the taping mechanism, you know, you had at this point john dean's testimony, even transcripts. until the republicans knew the president was on tape telling the -- saying let's tell the fbi to back off and claim this is a national security, there were very few republicans who were in favor. so i think this process moves much more slowly and only if it seems as though politically it's viable will republicans switch, and i don't think today -- this week changed that. >> i want to play a clip from this special. and he talks about what he sees in this case which makes impeachable a real thing. watch. >> extremely clear that it is a quid pro quo. it's laughable to think that the president was not trying to gain personally in investigating joe biden. >> this constitutional scholar is worried about the very survival of america's defining document. >> absolutely essential to the entire constitutional structure if the president abuses his power, congress has to check the president's actions. it's the only branch with that authority and responsibility, and that's what the impeachment process is fundamentally for. and the constitution will fail. >> it's interesting you just told us that feldman did not think impeachment was practical after or during mueller but now does. to the larger issue, though, of abuse of power, which is the words that he used, why is that so important in the historical context? >> you know, when the foundered created the presidency, they were worried they were creating an elected monarch. because, remember, the revolution takes place to get away from a monarch. and the way they set it up was each branch was designed to check the other. this is a very -- madison says in federalist 51, ambition must be made to counteract ambition. so the whole point was, if the president does something wrong, there is only one recourse. you remember richard nixon very famously said if the president does it, it means it's not illegal. he was technically right. what he means is the president is immune from prosecution by his own justice department. because the only check on him is congressional, and the only real check, the only serious check is impeachment. so if you say, you know, the bar is so high it can never be reached, what you're saying is the president is essentially unaccountable and the founders did not mean that. >> what about the process argument that republicans seemingly have been trying to make? they are saying this is not what happened in the clinton impeachment or watergate. and they're hanging their hats on that. what do you make of that argument? >> constitutionally, they are on very thin grounds. the power -- the house can organize impeachment pretty much as it wants. there is no constraint in the constitution. it's sort of like the president's pardon powers. they are unfettered. now politically, i think the democrats should do exactly -- should follow the historical precedent. they should allow republicans to call witnesses. they would argue they are going to do that. they are at a different stage in the process. they are now in the fact-finding stage. i think optics matter. impeachment is a political process. you want public support. i think they would gain public support if they were to do it this way. i think they know the republicans will use that as a theater rather than some kind of serious investigation. be that as it may, politics is politics. you want to win the public's support. >> so far democrats not pulling any republicans over to the pro-impeachment side. but historically speaking, what happened in watergate? >> so i think -- as i said, before alexander butterfield comes and testifies that nixon is on tape, no republicans. even two months before richard nixon resigned, there were very few republicans on his side. and almost nobody from the house. what happens is a group of senators decide really for constitutional reasons, for reasons, their legacy, history, the constitution requiring it that they should vote to impeach, to convict president nixon. and they go to see him. and they tell him they'll not be able to support him. and nixon decides to resign. so if you imagine if some trajectory, it's going to be right at the end, and it's going to be a small number of senators. >> fareed zakaria, thank you. you can watch his special report "on the brink, when a president faces impeachment" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern toom. a colorado teacher nate white credits the 2018 top ten cnn hero, amanda boxtel for helping him overcome the odds. he is now walking independently again following a kayaking accident that left him paralyzed from the waist down. anderson cooper shares nate's story as we count down to the big reveal of the 2019 top ten cnn heroes. >> reporter: three years ago, nate white injured his spine in a kayaking accident and was told he'd never walk again. but his hard work and determination, along with amanda's incredible help, has paid off. >> i'm a robot. >> reporter: a year ago, he did this. and now, just three years after his accident, he's doing this. >> amanda always believed that i was going to be walking again. >> he's living the miracle of what we all aspire for. this is the power of technology that everybody should have access to. that's my goal. >> they're all my favorites. every time we see one, they're my favorite. >> thank goodness this is not just up to you. >> 2019's top ten cnn heroes will be revealed on wednesday. find out who will get recognized this year. all morning we've been following new developments, big developments in the impeachment investigation. democrats will work into the weekend. we'll tell you what they're looking into, next. your destination. ♪ (vo) the all-new subaru outback. dog tested. dog approved. i can'twhat? 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