these communities and greet with them, pray with them. >> words matter. once they're spoken they can't be brought back. >> mitch mcconnell wants an outcome, not political grand standing. >> this is unacceptable. we need leadership in the u.s. senate. i don't know what republicans are waiting for. >> this is new day with alisyn camerota and john berman. it's 8:00 in the east. i'm in el paso, texas, this morning. erica hill joins us from dayton, ohio. in just about one hour president trump will leave washington, and he and the first lady are expected to meet with victims families as well as first responders and medical personnel. not everyone is happy to welcome them. here in el paso protesters plan to gather hours ahead and to denounce white supremacy. and overnight and this is significant, one of the people that appears to be one of the president's top advisers tucker carlson, called white supremacy a hoax, saying it's not a real problem in america. how can you say that to the people of el paso when 22 of them were killed in the wal-mart behind me, erica? >> reporter: the people that i met in el paso certainly would not agree with that, jon. you mentioned of course the president will be coming here to dayton. this will be his first stop this morning. he's expected to arrive around 10:35 eastern time. and protests are also planned here. the mayor is planning to confront the president on gun control, a topic she says he skirted when he addressed the nation on monday night, john. >> joining me is democrat mayor gonzalez, thank you for being with us this morning. thank you to you and your city for being such wonderful hosts to us in this incredibly difficult time. what can your constituents say? what have they been telling you about the president's visit today? >> all of us whether it's leaders or church leaders, all of us want healing. we've gone through such a tragedy and we don't want anything that will trigger any negative emotions that will interrupt the healing that all of us are trying to do in this very moment. >> are you going to join the prote protests? >> yes. >> and what exactly are you protest something. >> this isn't an accident. there are things that happened before to cause a man to drive to our beloved community and target people of color, latino people. we have to dismantle some of the discriminatory rhetoric used in this country that then puts my city and my home as a target. >> we've been talking all morning to you and other members of the community, and we're right in front of the wal-mart and i know that's got to be hard and difficult for you just to be here, to be near where all this happened and then to hear tucker carlson overnight say that white supremacy is a hoax. what does that say to the family members of the victims in there? what does it say to members of the latino community who were targeted? >> this is what we are concerned about in the president's visit. rhetoric like this will continue and follow him here. it's insulting to the victims, insulting to my community in el paso but also ignorant of the history of this country, and we cannot move forward and heal if these are the things going to follow in this visit. >> i know you're protesting and that's opposition to something, but what will help you to move forward? what will this community need now because you're four days and i know it feels like an eternity, but it's not. and you face the next few weeks, four months, and four years. so what's going to help you in the community here? >> we're not just protesting. we're resisting the rhetoric the president has used in the past. if he wants to come here and say i'm sorry for saying these things that maybe triggered that man to come here and do what he did, i would appreciate those words. but also what's we need right now is continued love, support, healing but actual action. what are we going to do about white supremacy? because what i hear umfrom my constituents, my neighbors and friends is they're scared. we never imagined this would happen in this beloved community. we're scared that copy cats will happen and target us again. all because el paso has been at the strf of this latino conversation for over a year. a year ago just a few miles away thousands of kids were in the tent city. a few miles away from here again hundreds of kids were another center. >> the killer why do you think he chose el paso? >> because he's seen it in the news as the place and epicenter of this conversation. so what is everyone else going to do post? what we're asking for healing is we need actual action. we need to think about how we're dismantling white supremacy and racism and discrimination. how are we going to tackle gun control and gun laws? and i think there's a way to approach it all and bring everybody together. our community has come together and we're hoping to model that for the entire country. >> do you have a message for tucker carlson this morning? >> i would say to honor the lives of the victims, honor our community and read history because that's just not the truth. >> mayor gonzalez, state representative here from el paso, thank you for being with us. reach out to us if we can help in the next few weeks or years as you say. >> thank you so much. >> all right, these deadly shootings have americans on e. there was panic overnight in times square in new york when the sound of a backfiring motorcycle was mistaken for gunfire. you can see the crowd scrambling for cover as police there pleaded for calm. and in utah in a mall outside of salt lake city there was another false alarm. police tell cnn that a sign fell and made a loud noise some feared were gunshots prompting patrons to run into those stores to hide. management ultimately evacuated and closed the mall after the mass panic. joining us now and i'm going to speak to him first and then erica is going to talk to him what's going on at dayton is counter terrorism analyst phil mudd. i want to talk about a few things. one, i don't know if you had a chance to see that picture, people scrambling at times square and this is happening in malls also. this is what happens when americans see month after month their countryman being gunned down. it's a reasonable fear, wouldn't you say. >> it's a reasonable fear but it's going to be echoed. people today talking about going to a super store, walking around the street, talking about going to a synagogue or church are going to take what they see in a state or three states away and say that could happen in my neighborhood. regardless of what the statistics tell you it's hikely you're going to be hurt shopping or going into a synagogue or church. every human being looking at this will say my life is going to change. >> this happens everywhere. this can happen everywhere and it is happening. i'm bending down to read you something. i'm going to read you a bit more what tucker carlson said. i don't want to give it too much credence here but he said white supremacy is not a real problem in america. the combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country was able to fit inside a college football stadium. from a law enforcement, from a counter terrorism perspective, what do you think when you hear that? >> i'm supposing the number of real al-qaeda cases we had in this country could fit inside a football stadium, but america told us you will spend all u.s. resources chasing them. mr. carlson has never seen a case. if he wants to every director that is advisers to the white house, every senior director to the white house in the past few years democrats and republicans they put out a letter this week, both parties, we should focus more on white supremacists. they put out a notice this week. we have to spend more resources on this. mr. carlson can talk to a camera, the man's never seen a case. if he wants to talk about a case i'll take him on. he doesn't know what he's talking about. >> white supremacy is a threat? >> yes, of course. we're talking about if you had enough people to fit in a football stadium, that's 60,000, they can kill a lot of people. it's about one person doing what we saw in el paso. >> and again practically speaking what's the difference between treating something as domestic terror? >> there's a huge difference here. look, there's going to be a conversation on this. let me give you a couple of examples. if you want to designate a group, like a domestic group, let's say thecake as a domestic terror organization and you want to do the same things you do against them against a foreign terrorist organization, you're talking about wiretaps, a secret court to say i want to go and listen to their e-mails, and money, and there should be a conversation on this but americans don't know what they're asking for. >> there are major choices that deserve discussion. there are developments in the case of dayton as well. >> reporter: yeah, john, they are. and they're very different situations because as you're talking about domestic terror and hate speech and that manifesto police believe the shooter in el paso is responsible for, what's happening here is we are looking at and learning about from the police chief, mudd, we are learning about a shooter who had a fascination according rather to police, an obsession with violent ideation. he actually -- they said he had a commitment to a mass shooting. in fact, i just want to play for you a little bit, phil, what an ex-girlfriend told our drew griffon. take a listen. >> he showed me the one video of a mass shooting on our first date. i'm not sure which shooting it was. i was drunk and it was at a loud bar so -- i think it's weird but it wasn't like -- it wasn't a red flag, which i know is weird to a lot of people. but given the context of him being a psychology student and him being fascinated in the psychology of those things, that's what made it digestible. >> so it didn't exactly stand out to her because he was a psychology student. for a lot of people watching this morning though they've been saying, no, this is weird, this should stand out. shouldn't that be a red flag for people and what do you do with that? >> boy, that's a tough one. it should be a red flag. but if you want to take a next step. what do you want the police to do? until you have legislation that says if somebody talked to their girlfriend about psychotic episodes, until you have legislation that says that's a formal red flag and you can take away somebody's weapons, law enforcement hands are tied. i'll tell you my take away from that is it's going to be very difficult for investigators to get to the bottom line especially since the subject is obviously dead. some people are going to say there has to be a political motive whether it's left wing or right wing, but you've got to step through the political motive of someone fascinated by violence. that's going to be tough. >> a fascination with violence, seeing these mass shootings happening, there's always a concern -- the fbi putting out a specific statement earlier this week and they were warning about their concerns when it comes to essentially copycats on the heels of el paso and what's happened here in dayton. >> let me take you inside a threat room to understand this. you're not talking about $10 million americans but even if you're talking about 50,000 or 100,000 americans, that's just a guesstimate on my part, it might be susceptible not only to this ideology but who might commit an act of violence, for federal investigators to try to look at that number of people, you're talking about informants, wiretaps, years of investigations. a, you're not going to be able to stop the number of people who might be susceptible to this ideology. the final thing i'd say is even in the past eight or nine years the impact of the internet not only domestically but someone in this country looking at domestic violence in a place like new zealand it's not just the islamists, it's also people who have ideologies like white supremacy. >> phil mudd, always appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> and just a reminder, chris cuomo will moderate a live town hall, america under assault gun crisis, tonight right here on cnn at 9:00 p.m. eastern. washington did nothing after the slaughter of elementary school children in sandy hook. could this time be different? 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the question is the federal piece of it? >> that's an important piece of distinction because the states have done a lot more to enact restrictions that are common sense that have broad support publicly and that they can get through their legislators. in congress we still see something different. i still think the action is in the senate. is mitch mcconnell going to do something that the president doesn't support? until and unless the president comes out for something beyond the red flag laws, i don't see much momentum certainly on the senate side even though mcconnell says he wants to have a debate around it. i think the political class in the country has to get around the idea that the perfect can't be the enemy of the good. they have to try some things to harden targets to reduce the prospect of violence. i think we've gotten to a point where in any other circumstance whether it's the fight against terrorism, this kind of broad-based violence, the political class has to do something even if the results are not perfect, even if they don't totally solve the problem. that has to be a started point, and it has to be sustained because what we've seen are these flash points before and then the momentum cools off and that's what can't happen this time. >> you know, david you alluded to mitch mcconnell saying he's serious about some sort of bipartisan, bicameral legislation. we're lun learning about this call held monday for 50 minutes. and part of what we learned is that there wasn't even a discussion about whether the senate should come back to tackle the background check though it pass red the house with bipartisan support. didn't even come up on the call. it's fascinating, too, that is clearly being put out there so we all know it was not discussed. >> which is why there's so much skepticism about this actually changing anything. it's the 250th mass shooting we've seen in this country thus far this year. and the country is known to it, obviously we feel the pain of the tragic human loss we see coming out of the results of these mass shootings as a uniquely american problem. i agree with david the impetus really is not only on congress but on the president of the united states. his focus seems to be on video games and mental health. and just hearing that from his speech two days ago gives you the sense when it comes to significant gun legislation that is not where this country is headed right now. we haven't seen significant legislation for 25 years, red flag warnings, background checks, obviously that's a positive development. but there's so much to dissect even with regard to red flag warnings. you look at the las vegas shooter, there was still no motive behind he did what he did. how do you define a red flag warning to somebody who may just have a bad day or a loaner? there's so much to figure out with regards to these perimeters we're setting up. it's great we're having this conversation, but if the president wants to get something done, he's in a unique position as a republican to make a change, because any time a democrat enters this conversation, you have so many people in this country concerned about their guns being taken away. any time an incumbent democrat is elected you see gun sales spike in this country. if he wants to be the one to make a significant change. it's up to him and this congress to get something done. >> but i think the problem is this is not a president -- i'll continue. i know we're on a big satellite delay. the issue is that this is not a president who exercises big leadership on big issues. he's actually much smaller, much more targeted, much more divisive. that's a real problem because with this kind of thing you've got to reorient the entire focus of the government. we saw that after 9/11 where it wasn't about one particular issue but a broader threat to the country. it's fine to contextualize what the real chances are being struck in a terrorist attack and a shooting like this. but what doesn't change is the country is awash in guns, that we have such similar behavior, that we have white supremacy rearing its head, we have nativism rearing in head in white communities. i think it's a mistake of everyone goes to their battle stations and we have the same fights that haven't moved forward. we have to look at every potential input to this problem and it's a test whether voters will vote on these issues, whether there'll be voter intensity around these issues. that will be a test. >> and it is certainly being pushed. i do want to get your take on this. a tweet list the names of 44 names and employers of trump donors saying their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate. the response from the rnc denouncing it, saying essentially he is inviting harassment and creating a target list. it is remarkable this is where we are at this morning. >> and it's also a reminder just how ugly twitter can be as well. it's not necessarily what the nation is talking about right now. you go to twitter and look at your feed and you just walk away depressed. you can see arguments on both sides of this. obviously all this information is public knowledge, so it's not as if he's revealing and tweeting out information he has only and nobody else has access to. given the level of tensions in this country how that could insight even more tension. but the flip could be said about the president and his own rhetoric and what he says at campaign rallies. and not obviously to put blame on him for anybody making the decision to pick up a gun and shoot innocent americans, but you look at some of the rhetoric they use in their manifestoes, very similar to some of the ret rock you hear from the president and something we're not familiar with in this country. it's one thing we've had to time and time again come together as a nation and heal after these mass shootings, that only this country seems to see time and time again. but we've always had a president whether democrat or republican that tries to bring the nation together. we've gotten very accustomed to and good at healing. what we haven't done is follow through, the next step, what can we do to prevent this? right now we're not even healing. i think the timing of this is what's inciting all this tension. >> then the debate shuts down instead of looking at well the president has some suggestions, let's look at what's constructive there, move on there and then keep building momentum around other areas that could actually solve the problem. it's going to be have to be a multipronged approach to this over a long period of time. >> david gregory, appreciate you both being here this morning. thank you. jon? >> marianne williamson was one of the top searched cannedicates after last week's debate but that interest has not increased her popularity in the polls. we're going to talk to her about her proposals including her proposals for gun violence. that's next. that a speaker is just a speaker. ♪ or - that the journey can't be the destination. most people haven't driven a lincoln. discover the lincoln approach to craftsmanship at the lincoln summer invitation. right now, get 0% apr on all 2019 lincoln vehicles plus no payments for up to 90 days. only at your lincoln dealer. who used expedia to book the vacation rental which led to the discovery that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. expedia. everything you need to go. our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. ensure, for strength and energy. and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. we really pride ourselves on making it easy for you >> tech: at safelite autoglass, to get your windshield fixed. with safelite, you can see exactly when we'll be there. saving you time for what you love most. >> kids: whoa! >> kids vo: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ they use stamps.com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. what you're looking at right here frankly is el paso. it's a prayer circle right next to the memorial, right next to the wal-mart where 22 people were murdered the other day. but this is the community coming together. this is the city coming together trying to heal, trying to move forward. they've been here for about 15, 20 minutes, and it is deeply, deeply moving. i want to bring in now presidential candidate marianne williamson. she was the most searched candidate after the second debate right here on cnn. thank you so much for being with us. i have to say it's great to have you with what's going on behind me in this prayer circle because wi what the people behind me are doing, they're trying to do something you speak to which is to use love to move pass this. what do you make of it? >> we always go thereafter a tragedy has happened. once a tragedy has happened we're all giving ourselves permission to talk about love, talk about peace, talk about healing. we need to make that the conversation we have more often. you know, violence is the absence of peace. and i think this is a time for us as a society to ask ourselves some very deep questions about what we want. it's obviously a multidimensional problem we have on our hands. guns is very much a part of it. white nationalism is very much of a part of it. ? of the answers are public, some are private, some of the answers have to do with policy and some of the answers do with our own heart. but we have to have a deeper question what is happening in our society, why are we so violent? and part of the problem is we have over the last few decades, we have aqueoused to such an amoral world view and it has even corrupted our value system. and where there is amorality there will always be immoral consequences. every act of forgiveness, every person reaching out to everyone but also recognizing our government could do so much more to public policy. and when it comes to guns we need to realize this is all about the fact our government has given advocacy for short-term profits to gun manufacturers. more attention, more focus and more resource than advocacy for our safety, our health, our well-being. and this needs to stop now. >> you have specific policy proposals to stop gun violence. what are the highlights? >> my gun proposals have to do with very similar to other democratic candidates. we need universal background checks, outlaw bump stocks. we need to close the loopholes and we've got to renew the assault weapons ban. even when we renew the assault weapons ban, there will still be millions on the street. we'll have to outlaw the manufacturers of the bullets used. >> there's a lot of concern on mental illness and the red flag laws they're talking about now identify potential threats to people of themselves and others. are you concerned there might be a stigma being placed with all this discussion on mental illness? >> i'm not concerned about a stigma necessarily but as your previous guests were talking about with the red flag law, who's going to make that decision of what's considered a red flag? now remembered the the obama presidency obama had already put in place an order not allowing mentally ill people criminally and violently insane people to have access to guns, and really the first official act i think of the trump administration was to overturn that. so we need more mental health services. we need all of the things that will enable people to live more peaceful lives to begin with. but once we know that people have demonstrated any kind of violent behavioral concern, yes we do need to outlaw their access. but when it comes to the red flag what you're previous guests were saying, you know, yeah all of this is problematic, isn't it? any time there's a benefit, there's a risk of an overreach. but we simply must do now what can be done. >> again, you speak all about love and a lot about healing. there are protests today greeting the president here in el paso. there will be protests no doubt in dayton, ohio, when he is there as well. does the love you speak about from you extend to the president? >> absolutely. it does on a universal level. but as martin luther king said god said i have to love my enemies, it doesn't mean i have to like them. and sometimes in the protest of the president love says no. love is powerful, love is strength. and sometimes just like we know with our children sometimes it's because we love a child we say no. our president is not a king. part of the core of the american freedom is we get to protest. that's a constitutional right, it is a core value and it is time for us to say not only no to this president but we need to say no to every elected official who does more to serve the nra and the short-term process of gun manufacturers than to serve us. it is time now for the american people to wake up. that's what has to happen now. it's time for the people to step in. >> we've got about 45 seconds left. you talked about on the debate stage your plan for reparations over slavery. very quickly can you tell us what they are? >> a reparations council made up of 30 to 50 people who themselves are keddants of american slaves, they come from culture, academia, from politics. they are people who have a background of deep understanding and research on this topic. i have proposed 200 to $500 billion to be dispersed over a period of 20 years. it would be this reparations council that decides how is the money dispersed within the context of the stipulation on the part of the u.s. government that the money is be used for economic and educational renewal? the reason i feel strongly about repations as opposed to race based policies, it leaves open the question whose fault it is this economic gap exists. with reparations there's an inherent mea culpa. it is an acknowledgement of a wrong that has been done, a debt owed and the willingness of a nation to pay. >> thank you again for being with us this morning. i will only note that the prayers continue behind me here in el paso. >> i think all of america is praying. >> president trump -- president trump is set to leave the white house very shortly for dayton and then el paso. protests planned in both cities. we're going to speak with el paso's mayor about what he's going to say to the president next. through ancestry i learned so much about my grandparents that i never knew. i'm a lawyer now, but i had no idea that my grandfather was a federal judge in guatemala. my grandfather used his legal degree and his knowledge to help people that were voiceless in his country. that put a fire in my heart. it made me realize where i got my passion for social justice. bring your family history to life like never before. get started for free at ancestry.com with sofi, get your credit cards right- by consolidating your credit card debt into one monthly payment. and get your interest rate right. so you can save big. get a no-fee personal loan up to $100k. 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>> well, under the circumstances, no, i wouldn't call it excitement. we're anticipating he's the president of the united states, i'm the mayor of el paso. i honor the office of the presidency and we're going to need some help, and i'm going to talk to him about that. so on that basis i realize there's a lot of emotional pain and concern over his visit but i'm the mayor of all of el paso and i feel it's my duty, obligation, my fiduciary duty to meet with the president of it united states. >> what message will you deliver to him beyond this is what we need? will you talk to him about some of the language he has used which was mimicked in the screed written and over the last 24 hours? >> i want to focus on el paso and our region, remember we're a region that began 350 years ago. we've been here 100 years before the united states was ever formed. that's what makes us unique. you can stand at the top of one of our bank buildings and look south and you cannot tell where el paso ends and mexico begins and it's been that way for 350 years. family on both sides, commerce on both sides. it's been that way from day one. there's no other place, no other region in north america comenseerate with or would equate to el paso and our region. >> you get a sense behind us right now of a sense of who we are, this prayer circle going on for 45 minutes outside the wall here. we were talking about this before, you say this is who we are. >> the heart of el paso and what is our region is unsurpassed. we're family oriented. that's why i've said on numerous -- a perpetrator of evil did not come from el paso nor do i believe anyone in el paso would have ever done this. this is not what we're about. this is great community, a loving community, and we're going to take some healing. but i don't know it's really going to start until we finish all the funerals. >> are you concerned at all about the protests today? >> i mean, i have done my best not to politicize this. i'm elected in a nonpartisan office. >> you haven't politicized this at all. >> this is about el paso and our needs and our healing and what we're about as a kpunt. i wish i weren't standing here because of all this. i wish i could be standing here and talking about el paso in general. but we will heal, this will not define us. one person asked me, this is going to be part of your history, i said it may be but i want it as an asterisk not as defining us. it will not define us. >> i want to ask you, again, in this healing process words matter and an understanding of what happened here matters. tucker carlson went on tv and i'm not going to dignify it by playing it again but he said white supremacy is a hoax. you noted before that someone drove ten hours from dallas to here to go into that wal-mart to shoot people because they were latino, looked different, sound different, speak a different language. how do you respond to a comment like that? 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