after him, she will be prepared to defend. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." we have breaking news this morning. brand new cnn reporting about the democrats' game plan for questioning robert mueller when he testifies before congress next wednesday. this is what they're going to do. they're going to focus on five areas of the mueller report that outline what could be obstruction on behalf of the president of the united states including his efforts to fire robert mueller and tamper with witnesses including former campaign chair paul manafort. >> there is also new reporting about why the president is now attempting to distance himself from the "send her back" chants at his north carolina political rally. he claims he tried to stop it but the video tells the real story and we will show you that. and the lineups are now set for cnn's two-night primary debate. it will feature a rematch for joe biden and kamala harris who had a memorable clash over race and busing. on the other night, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren will share the debate stage for the very first time. joining us now to talk about it, we have kaitlan collins, cnn white house correspondent, chan woo, and errol louis. great to have all of you. happy friday. errol, let's start with our reporting about what the mueller hearings are going to look like. both sides, democrats and republicans have been staging their own mock hearings behind the scenes separately, of course, about how they're going to take on robert mueller who is a tough nut to crack, let's admit, for both sides. this is what the house judiciary -- the democrats on the house judiciary plan to do. they want to tackle five areas. telling don mcgahn to fire robert mueller. that would be a good one. what mueller knows about that. telling don mcgahn to publicly deny that trump told him to fire mueller. telling corey lewandowski to tell jeff sessions to limit investigation, to meet with lewandowski or trump will fire him. how do you think this is going to go? >> i think it's going to maybe not work as well as the democrats might hope. that stuff while extremely important runs count tore what i think the broader purpose of the hearings are supposed to be. what the democratic leadership has said over and over again is that they want to have a 1974 moment. where in watergate what started out as charges really galvanized the nation and made clear what was going on and why there was a problem. it provided really critical context. to do it now, and to say, well, the president told him to fire this guy and so forth without the context, it won't mean anything. why was he trying to fire moouler? what was it about? yes, it could be a violation of the law and it's important to draw that out, but the goal of sort of letting the public know what's at stake here and why it's important, i think kind of gets undermined if you get into this back and forth. and of course the republicans are going to do their best to muddy the waters. and it'll look like one more big partisan fight. the kind that viewers tend to tune out. >> chan, when you look at this, what happens when robert mueller is facing with these questions? when he is asked to go into more about these instances of possible obstruction. and the question they want to ask which is if a regular citizen engaged in these actions, would an ordinary citizen be indicted? what did robert mueller say to that? >> i think the key is really how they ask the questions. he is comfortable with direct exam style questions. that's where they will illicit what they need from him. they really need like an audio book performance from him. they want to ask what, who, where, and how. if they try and hit him with a lot of direct leading cross exam type questions, they're going to run into a stone wall with that. to get those answers they need tho refer him back to what he's already written in his report. have him draw those points out. the republicans are going to have to hit him with cross exam questions because they want to score points. that's going to be a very tough road for them to go. >> kaitlyn, we had andrew mccabe on who has briefed robert mueller in the past for hearings just like this. and he said no one is better prepared. the briefing books that robert mueller can consume and digest are legendary. so he will know his own report word for word and, you know, andrew mccabe's feeling is he won't really deviate from that. >> yeah. it's something he spent two years of his life working on. so of course he knows this report backwards and forwards. that's what's going to be the test for these lawmakers some of whom have not read it. that's why it's hard to overstate how much they're looking at this. holding these mock hearings where they're playing robert mueller to try to sharpen those questions. also they're going back and watching his past testimony, any time he's made public remarks. because they want to see how he operates. wla they've been saying is he can talk about something and not essentially filibuster. that is something they're concerned about. they're going to be constrained about. that is something that essentially they're both looking at where democrats know this is their only chance to try to bring this report to life. make ate movie instead of a book for people who haven't read it. >> there is another legal issue this morning and it has to do with michael cohen. it has to do with the search warrants and information that came out yesterday about their case against him. and the fact that they will likely not pursue charges against anyone else having to do with the hush money payments to stormy daniels and karen mc mcdoogle. >> i think this is helpful. this is from the federal search warrant. you hear there were several exchanges between cohen and hope hicks. this is three days before the election about the hush money payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdoogle. here is one example. the next morning on november 5th, 2016, at approximately 7:35 a.m., michael cohen texted hope hicks. so far i see only six stories getting little to no traction. hicks responded, same. keep praying. it's working. so they knew that voters would be interested in this information. why doesn't this run afoul of the federal election campaign law? >> i think it does. there are no other further charges for anyone in his organization. i think at the oend the day the criminal culpability rests squarely where it started where michael cohen placed it on trump's shoulders. the timing of the calls and texts make it crystal clear who's calling it. so probably not enough to charge her but certainly causing the question to whether she was being trautful about not recollecting certain things. >> and the house wants her to answer new questions about her testimony. and again, there are phone calls between president trump and michael cohen and then-candidate trump and may kal cohen. the time this payment was made - to go to the idea that the president was lying when he told america as president by the way he had nothing to do or no knowledge of these payments. let's play that one more time. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. no. >> then why did michael cohen make it if there was no true to her allegations? >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. no. >> he did know, errol. all the evidence is he knew. there's all these phone calls. there are the checks. there's michael cohen's testimony. the evidence says the president was lying to the american people. >> that's right. look. frankly you can see it in his demeanor in the clip you just showed. you say that guy's not telling the truth. right. the president has lied to the american people that by the way is an impeachable offense. you look at the list of particulars in past impeachments. it includes misleading the public in this way. we now have somebody sitting in prison who has said over and over again and who, in fact, has recordings to back him up sort of saying this was all done at the behest of, in collaboration with, and for the benefit of donald trump. it's one more additional piece of information that people now have about something that, you know, i think we all recognize now which is that there was a lot of untruths told about everything related to the stormy daniels case. >> kaitlan very quickly, we have to comment on what a crazy and historic week it has been. starting with the racist tweet from president working itself up to a crescendo of anti-american chants at his political rally from the crowd of "send her back" about four americans obviously congresswomen of color. and i guess the most interesting part of all of this is just how many republicans behind the scenes we now know from vice president mike pence allegedly to ivanka trump to members of congress were quite uncomfortable. and somehow got president trump to attempt to back track or claim that he's disavowing this. >> yeah. because they realize the controversy that was coming out of seeing that chant where the president did not encourage the chant to stop happening as he claimed later in the oval office. and so of course mike pence was hearing an earful from republicans. the president's allies were calling his daughter and people in the white house urging him to back off that chant. that's why you saw the president try to make that comment. but of course the video shows that the president's actions were actually not what he said they were. and it really goes back to even watching that michael cohen video where the president is saying he didn't know about those payments. and later it shows, of course, he did. >> i appreciate you saying attempt to distance himself. because it's not. >> we have the video. the video tells the story. everybody can see it with their own eyes. >> it is what it is. thank you, all, very much. okay. the lineups are set for the upcoming cnn democratic debates. so what will the matchups here mean for the 2020 race? 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i don't have a preference in this race, but the winner in my party is going to be the one that can appeal to people of color. so far mayor pete hasn't been able to do that. he can use the debate to do that because lots of and lots of those people of color are moderates. i think there's an opening for pete to do both of the strategic things they need. >> there's people talking about a possible rematch between joe biden. it is if they take the bait. if they're planning to just go after each other and if they are practicing right now for this rematch, which i guess you will say they are. >> oh, absolutely. first off, it's like when you have a fight with your spouse. like, i have the best lines like a week later after she's left me. but no. we all do this. and they're doing this now. but they're doing it with professional advisers. my guess is it's round two. this time it's personal. in other words, i think what joe has said in his interviews that he was kind of hesitant because he was shocked that kamala had been a friend of his late son beau. they were both attorneys general at the same time. but i think joe's best response is to be personable. saying you were doing this because of politics. you were a friend of my son's. i loved you before this and will love you after this. if you win, i'll campaign for you. make it personal. contextualize it as a political attack. i think that's probably the better way for joe to handle this. >> bigger picture, doesn't he need to prove himself here? surprising given how long he's been in this game and he was vice president for eight years. but he's got a lot to prove. >> he does. he's been focused on the rvm, rearview mirror. i thought it was a band but she said rearview mirror. >> that's rem. >> she's like stop looking in the past. he needs to rip out the rearview mirror. he wants to defend that 40-year record in the senate and white house. he needs to stop. he needs to look forward. and he's got to -- his whole key is i can beat trump. and that's who the democrats are going to nominate. whoever they believe can beat trump. he's got to bring it back to trump. >> i actually think he's been given an opportunity by the events of this week. i don't know if that will last to two weeks from now if we'll still be talking about the racist tweet and the "send her back" comments, but it does provide the contrast joe biden wants. >> this is second close to charlottesville. that does allow joe to get back at it. but there are two dark horses to watch. on night one it's steve bullock who has not been in a debate yet. he's been busy being a governor. on night two, insley. both of them have two advantages. which are governors. which we like more in america than senators, frankly. and they have a signature issue that they're experts on. bullo bullo bullock, it's campaign reform. he's an expert in that. jay insly is an expert on climate change. a lot of democrats feel it doesn't get enough discussion. so some governor ought to be climbing into this race at some point. usually they make stronger candidates. >> you know what i'm struck by? the people who did not fair well who you thought were lackluster in the first debates, you know, debating ten people on a stage is not everyone's format. and by the way, i'm not sure it's applicable to being president of the united states. you won't do that often as president. and so not everybody is built for every format. so i think pete buttigieg where you said he was a little flat, his style was more one-on-one. joe biden was a little bit differential as we saw there. i'm not sure how they change their kind of being to really excel in this enforcement. >> you can't change who you are. but you're not naturally successful, kamala harris was the best debate per. >> that is her format. >> of course. if you don't have her gifts, hopefully they have a sense of humor. you don't always have to be attacking. you can be endearing. i think pete has that capacity. joe does too. >> does senator harris need a second act? >> she does. again, i think she now needs to punch up above biden. i'm obsessed with this. the democrats -- they're talking about the perfection of their theoretical health plans which they'll never be able to pass instead of attacking donald trump the current president who is trying to take away pre-existing conditions and proposed the biggest cuts in medicare and medicaid. she's got to go after donald trump on health care. >> paul begala, great to get all your expertise on this. >> this is the earliest i've been up. >> and against the "top gun" sequel. >> i am. >> you too? >> think of all the carbon he's burning in that fighter jet. >> fair enough. president trump now trying to distance himself from the racist "send her back" chant that were directed at ilhan omar. what do republicans now think of this moment and what do they want going forward? we ask two former lawmakers next. les ♪ for miles and miles. ♪ being lost ain't never really been my style. ♪ but i told ya... yo, jer! we gotta get to the show. ♪ i was looking for a sign. get on the bus. ♪ i need something to believe in. ♪ throw my hands up to the ceiling. ♪ oh sky won't you give me a sign. ♪ tell me will the world one day ever be mine? jeep wrangler. freedom to do it all. book two, separate qualifying stays at choicehotels.com... ...and earn a $50 gift card. because when your business is rewarding yourself... ...our business is you. book direct at choicehotels.com all right. we all saw it happen. president trump was at the rally in north carolina. his supporters are there in the crowd chanting "send her back" and for 13 seconds, he allows it to go on. he nods certainly seeming to welcome it. and not until it dies down, does he start talking again. now he is trying to create distance between himself and that saying he didn't like it at the time. he's lying saying he stepped in to stop it. he didn't. he's now saying he did not like those chants. and we're getting fresh reporting this morning that the president was pressured by senior republicans in congress to repudiate it. he was pressured by his own daughter. cbs even reporting the first lady melania stepping in to say this is too much. joining me to discuss, two former republican lawmakers. joined by former governor rick santorum and charlie dent. charlie, why this? what was it about the chants, the "send her back" chants that so upset ivanka trump, senior lawmakers? when the president's own words from over the weekend on twitter then his own words out loud that these lawmakers should go home to their home country tris, that that wasn't enough to make them speak up? >> we have a case here of the proverbial arsonist complaining about the fire he just set. that's what we're dealing with here. i think most people who witnessed this, these very incendiary, racially inflammatory comments have, you know, risen to a very high level of ugliness. that is even too much for the president's family, apparently. that's why he's getting pushback. as a former member of congress, i used to resent it when people would make reckless statements. we would be reacting to that. they didn't like the way we responded to their outrageous statements. whether it was todd akin or whoever made a wild statement. that's what's happening now. a lot of these republican members particularly in the swing and marginal districts are feeling terribly pressured right now as a result of the president's remarks. they're just despondent over this. and so hopefully republican leadership is telling the president to knock this off. this is not helping them politically. >> senator, do you feel like the president had to at least look like he was walking it back? >> well, i agree with charlie that they're reckless statements. they're ignorant statements, what the president put out on twitter. i don't think they were racist statements. and i think that's -- i think that's one of the things that's going on here which is that everything -- and again, i'm not defending what the president said in his tweets, but what i am saying is to take everything and turn it into, you know, racism is what gets people all sort of fired up. you know, the fact is that the president was attacking their radicalism. he was attacking their radical positions on a variety of issues. and i think to that extent, you know, that's sort of what's gotten people fired up. these are very radical people. and so, you know, to turn that into, you know, well this is just blatant racism and ignore the radicalism of what these people are talking about i think has gotten this thing sort of twisted around. >> the underlying fact is that ayanna pressley was born in cincinnati and represents a district in massachusetts. three of the four of them were born in massachusetts. >> right. like i said, it's an ignorant statement. >> what they all have in common is people of color. that's what makes this racist. i want to move this discussion to where we are now, senator. and i asked you do you think the president had to look like he was walking this back? >> yeah. look, i mean, as i said, the president's statements were wrong and ignorant. and he needed to somehow try to heal this because while i don't think they were racist, i think you probably have as good a case that a lot of the things the president says are termed as racis racist. the people are the people of color so it makes it the most subject to be called racist. >> also because there's a long history of people being told to go back where they came from. he didn't invent that. he just bought into this thing we've heard for centuries, all of us have heard for centuries or with their own families if you come here as imgrantss. charlie, when you look at this and see how the president tried to walk it back, he said that he didn't like it. and then he lied about trying to stop it. why lie? >> again, this is one of those inexplicable indefensible moments with the president. i've seen this before. as an appropriator i saw how we worked with that administration to negotiate and on the bus appropriations bill only to have the president later say he's going to veto it. he does these things. he says things that are simply untrue. and what's really frustrating about this situation, the so-called squad are not a particularly sympathetic bunch. particularly within the democratic party given the statements they have made that are so reckless about, you know, calling moderate democrats, equating them with segregationists and nancy pelosi, you know, who has a policy disagreement with them, supgting she attacked them over their color. i mean, these are not sympathetic people. they take extreme positions. as a republican, i watched this. and these members are so upset because the democrats are engaged in a circular firing squad. now the president has effectively united them because of his own wild statements. why the president then turns around and basically misrepresents what actually happened is -- i don't know how he gets away with it. he's done this many times before. i don't know why we're surprised this time. >> senator, what are your personal feelings? i don't know if you were watching the event live when it was happening, but when you first saw the people in the crowd chanting what they were chanting, what did you think? >> i think the president should have stopped them and said, you know, that's not appropriate. look, i'm not defending, you know, what the crowd said. and i think it's -- i'm glad he's walked it back. i'm glad he said he doesn't agree with it. you know, obviously you've got the 13 seconds and you can interpret what you want. but the fact that the president says he doesn't agree with it, i'm glad he said that. but look. in the end, what the president has done and you can, again, dissect it all. the president has focused the country's attention on the radical elements as charlie was mentioning. very unsympathetic figures when it comes to some of the -- this week representative omar sponsored a bill to, you know, go after the state of israel in supporting the bds movement which, you know, was clearly anti-semitic. so she continues to do things that are going to make her controversial. that's not going to change. and the fact that the democrats are now uniting behind them, i think it's problematic for the democrats going forward. >> breaking cnn rules, i want a one-word answer from both of you on this. starting with you congressman dent. now that this week is over, is the republican party better off, worse off, or no different? >> worse off. >> senator? >> i would say worse probably long-term better. >> wrs short-term, long-term better. we're going to have to dig that much more next time. because that's intriguing. thank you for being with us. john, now to this story. a heartbroken father separated from his migrant daughter. but the story gets much, much worse. the real life impact of the crisis at the border next. have a discount with another wireless carrier? t-mobile will match it. need a few more reasons to switch? 1. do you like netflix? sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want. 3. no surprises on your bill. taxes and fees included. so, if you have a discount, bring it to t-mobile. we'll match it and give you great benefits. house oversight committee chairman elijah cummings got emotional while dressing down kevin mcaleenan. >> i guess you feel like you're doing a great job. >> we're doing our best -- >> what does that mean? what does that mean when a child is sitting in their own feces? can't take a shower? come on, man! what's that about? none of us would have our children in that position. they are human beings. and i get tired of folks saying, oh, oh, they just beating up on the border patrol. oh, they just beating up on homeland security. no. what i'm saying is i want to concentrate on these children. and i want to make sure that they are okay. >> the broken immigration system is having a life and death impact on families. ed is here now with his heart breaking story. i can't remember a sadder story in a long time. >> after covering immigration issues here for several years, it is really heart breaking and it is a story with such kind of deep magnitude it is hard for most people to imagine just how painful it is. >> reporter: manuel gamez is living a nightmare watching his life unravel. he's on his last walk to say good-bye to his 13-year-old daughter who's been on life support since she attempted to take her own life in early july. and the pain of knowing his attempts to cross the border failed to make it in time is too much to bear. >> manuel says he was in a detention facility in texas when he got the news that his daughter had tried to commit suicide by hanging herself. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: gamez was given an ankle monitor so he could see his daughter one last time. why do you think your daughter did this? [ speaking in foreign language ] he says she lost hope they were going to be reunited. this story captures the reality of desperate families separated by a border. in 2015 manuel gamez was an undocumented immigrant who had spent seven years living on long island, new york, working as a mechanic. his father was taking care of his daughter in honduras. manuel says his father was killed by ms-13 gang members in 2014 for not paying extortion bribes. and then after that he decided to send his daughter here to the united states to live with family members in new york. and that she was granted asylum. gamez thought if his daughter had been granted asylum, he would as well. but he was denied. after that he crossed the border illegally twice hoping to reunite with his daughter who was now thriving, learning english, and dreaming of a career in medicine while living with his sisters. but heidi would often break down in tears because she missed her father. jessica and zoila are her aunts. zoila discovered her after she attempted to take her night. that night heidi was distraught learning her father was being held in an immigration detention center. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: what are you going to tell your daughter there at the end? [ speaking in foreign language ] he says he's going to ask her to forgive him and that -- for failing her. he says that it was never his intention to leave her alone. manuel gamez was by his daughter's side when she was taken off life support. as he stood by her the day before, he caressed his daughter's hands and face and whispered, we love you. don't leave us. and now manuel gamez prepares to be deported. so now they face a really difficult road because manuel gamez has to turn himself into authorities not tomorrow but the following saturday. the funeral is on tuesday, i believe. and so his lawyer tells us that they're trying to figure out a way to keep him here. all of his siblings live here on long island. and he has no one to go back to in honduras. but it's a long shot. you know, he's attempted to enter the united states three times. it hasn't worked out. and that becomes a much more difficult fight for him now. >> oh, my gosh. it's so gut wrenching to watch him and all of his grief. of course we think of the salvadorian father with his toddler who drowned. the ripple effect of the separations of the family members left behind and how for the rest of their lives they will grieve. >> it really captures -- this isn't just a current problem. this problem has gone on for awhile. what does a family like this do, right? i won't pretend to have all the answers here, but what does this father do? >> right. stay behind and be killed by ms-13 or attempt to cross into the u.s. legally by asking for asylum but yet there are still these separations. there are no good answers. there's no good answer obviously ffr t for the the u.s. or we would have solved it already. thank you so much for your heart felt reporting on all of that. 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i know you were busy when you were up there, but did you ever gaze up at the moon and think what that moment must have been like? >> to look at the night sky and see that and know that 2 human beings walked on it, i'm sure like you and everybody else in america this weekend are still in awe of what was accomplished back then, with the technology we had and the national will to take that goal on that the president laid out for us and actually, you know, accomplish it within that decade. it still is a testament to what the human spirit can achieve when we set our minds to it. >> i loved covering the space program. i'm something of a space jungy, so i do not hold this view, but you know it's out there which is that we did this 50 years ago. we put a man on the moon 50 years ago and that was remarkable and cool and forward looking. what we're doing now with space you often here is meh. so how do you respond to that? >> certainly having spent five months aboard the international space station just two years ago and seeing what that a great platform that is, to explore further into the system, it hasn't been just meh. think about the technologies, re-claiming the water, all these technologies we had where yesterday's copy can be today's copy because we can purify the water. but also if you want to explore further in the solar system and certainly we were at the moon where we actually put the boots on the planet, we planted a flag. but this time we're going back for sustained presence. we're going to be living there and proving out the technologies that allow us to make the moon a steppingstone onto mars which is the ultimate goal. >> secondly, talk to me about the idea of artemis, talk to me about going to the moon for a longer time? how important it is or why is it important to go back? >> it proves out the technologies and allows us to go further. it removes the harshest environment we actually have spent probes or anything to at this point. it is just pullerized rock. if we can go there and have our habitats and hatches and rovers and wheels and space suits all survive in a lunar environment by having sustained presence there, when we go to mars now the risk is the journey to get there and the time we have to spend there because over dynamic we can't come back in a few days. we have to spend about a year, year and a half there, and we've taken all this risk with the hardware not working. and you can go there with the confidence of hey, our hatches are going to work and we can still do exploration of the red planet. as a scientific and historical record of what happened in the solar system because we haven't had those erosion and changes in the moon. it's sitting there in the same place over time. along with the fact there's water. tons and tons of water exists on the moon. and what does water separate into, the oxygen we need to breathe and fuel we need for rockets. it's a resource place so we can learn how to develop that. and so we've got these amazing corollaries between the moon and mars and it's a great test bed. imagine if you want to take your family out on a wilderness camping expedition, you're going to go to the store and buy your camp stove and get your hiking boots. you're going to want to break in your boots by walking around them, go on a local camping trip to make sure you can put up a tent, operate a camp stove and you've got enough fuel. well, the moon is three days away and we can go there and test everything out on the moon and when we go to mars then we can learn the big things like how to shelter from radiation and things like that. >> i've got to say your enthusiasm is infectious. is your name on the list? >> with artemis 1 flying next year for uncrewed mission for the first time, two years later in 2022 we send artemis 2 up with the first crew leaving lower orbit for the first time since 1972, world's largest rocket ever made, the sls, and we're going to go ahead and send people around the moon. just by 2024 by artemis 3 we're going to put the first man and next woman on the moon. widely ambitious but we've got the technology and expertise to do it, and now we've got the political will to do it. and we look forward to setting up that steppingstone lighting the path to mars. >> thank you very much for being with us. so the cnn film apollo 11 takes you inside humanity it was greatest feat with newly discovered incredible footage. you can watch it tomorrow night 9:00 right here on cnn. thanks so much to our international viewers for watching. it you cnn newsroom with max foster is next. for u.s. viewers we have new details preparing for robert mueller's testimony. >> i would not provide information beyond that which is already public. >> new details for the house democrats game plan for the mueller hearing next week. >> democrats are planning to focused on five years of alleged obstruction of justice banking on the fact this shifts public opinion. >> republicans on the committee are going to disrupt everything they try to do. it's going to be quite a spectacle. >> the roster is now set for cnn's two night democratic presidential debate. >> who's best able to take on donald trump? people will be judging them by that. >> real ideological differences will take place. the stakes are really high. it is friday, july 19th, 8:00 in the east. >> i'm smiling. i think i am beginning to believe it. >> cnn has new reporting this morning about the game plan democrats and republicans will use in the robert mueller hearings next wednesday. democrats strategy will be to focus on five episodes of potential obstruction of justice by president trump including his efforts to fire robert mueller himself and tamper with witnesses like the former campaign chairman manafort. also there's new reporting on why the president tried to distance himself from the anti-american center back chants at his rally in north carolina. he claims he tried to stop it, but of course the video on your screen tells the real story. it appears some in the president's inner circle and senior members in congress spoke to him behind closed doors to get him to attempt to explain -- well, i should say to explain to him why that might not have been the smartest strategy. and yes, we have a rematch. it's going to be in the cnn democratic primary debates. former vice president joe biden will share the stage again with senator kamala harris. will he be ready this time? on the other night senators elizabeth warren and bernie sanders seen