With Victor Blackwell and christi paul. Always glad to have you with us this morning. Im christi paul. Definitely, the shutdown, lets talk about that. It lasted two weeks now. Were starting the third week. The white house and Congressional Democrats will meet again today to try to negotiate a deal to reopen the government. 14 days into the partial shutdown, 15 really, both sides seem entrenched. They seem unwilling to concede. Yet theyre going to meet at 11 00 to see if they can make headway. We have more on the growing appetite for compromise on capitol hill. Reporter im proud of doing what im doing. I dont call it a shutdown. Im calling doing what you have to do for the benefit and safety of our country. The shutdowns lasted two weeks, as we said. President trump says if the deal isnt reached, it could last months, it could last years. Yeah. Later this morning, the white house has scheduled, as we said, another meeting. Vice president mike pence will lead this one. Its a followup to yesterdays meeting which reportedly started with a 15minute tirade from the president. Reportedly he cursed at congressional leaders. The president later called the meeting productive. Democrats called it contentious. After that meeting, the president warned that he could go around congress if he so chose and build a border wall under military funding. With the latest cnn White House Reporter sarah westwood. What are you hearing this morning about the meeting at 11 00, and what could be different about it . Reporter well, youre right that what we saw out of yesterdays meeting was two very different tones from congressional Democratic Leaders and the president with congressional Democratic Leaders hinting that there is no end in sight. They didnt make any progress toward any kind of agreement to reopen the government yesterday. With President Trump calling it somewhat productive, saying perhaps there could be common ground, for example, on beefing up security at ports of entry. The debate over border wall funding still remains contentious, even as the staffs of congressional leaders and President Trump, what he dubbed a working group, will be meeting in the executive Office Building here on the white house complex. The president s group includes, as you mentioned, Vice President mike pence, Homeland Security secretary kirstjen nielsen, jared kushner, his soninlaw and senior adviser. And President Trump suggested, though, that if he doesnt get funding for the wall legislatively, he might be willing to consider declaring a National Emergency for Border Security in order to secure appropriations for his wall. Take a listen. Can call a National Emergency because of the security of our country. Absolutely. No, we can do it. I havent done it, i may do it. I may do it. But we can call a National Emergency and build it very quickly. Reporter House Democrats have passed a package of bills that would reopen the government, fund most of the unfunded part of government until the fiscal year and fund the department of Homeland Security temporarily while negotiations go on, but thats dead on arrival in the senate. Theres no end in sight for the shutdown as President Trump remains dug in on permanent funding for the wall. Fingers crossed. Something can be happening today between all the leadership there. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Joining me to discuss this, daniel lipman, reporter and author of the political playbook, and tiffany cross, managing editor for the beat d. C. Welcome. Timothy, first, its good that both tiffany, first, its good that both sides are talking, theres another meeting. They dont seem any closer to a deal than they did three weeks ago before this started. Whats your expectation for what can happen today . I think trump has dugged in his heels. This is his shutdown, he said it in the meeting with nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Hes trying to walk that back. I find it interesting, though, that the gop who purports to support small government is going to stand by while he attempts to buck the constitution and bypass congress to shut down or to build this wall independent of congress. I think thats going to be a challenge for republicans to defend. And i want to really make this point and stress this, victor, that we have to remember why the shutdown is happening. Its over the superfluous wall where theyre stoking fear to justify this. Theyre saying theyre catching ten terrorists a day crossing the border. Congresswoman judy chu, chair of the Asian American caucus, wants the receipts for that. Shes asked nielsen, where are the terrorists, where do they originate . Are they in military court . U. S. Court . What happened with them. Of course, weve gotten no answer because theres no answer to give. I dont see either side bucking. I think with nancy pelosi having that gavel back, its going to be hard for her to back down. With the president doing this incite a base that, you know, i would dare say doesnt have the intellectual curiosity to choose anything other than his twitter feed or rightwing conservative media as their gas well gospel. I dont think either side is willing to move too much at this point. Daniel, lets talk about the element of declaring a National Emergency and going around congress in large part to build the wall. What has been, if there has been some, the congressional reaction if the president would do that . Democrats would fight very hard against that. You could see a battle in the courts where people say that the President Trump is going above his powers. And this is not the way things are supposed to happen. Youre not allowed to move government money from one department to something that congress has not approved. It would be a question for people like senator rand paul and mike lee, two major libertarians in the senate, who are trump backers in some ways, and say ask what do you think of this proposal given that, well, you support trump in some ways, but other this is, you know, clearly unconstitutional. Theres often the line thats drawn even among members of the same party when the president and members of congress are of the same party. Its when the president tries to usurp the powers designated to and for the for congress when the line often is drawn. Tiffany, i want you to listen to the president s exchange with april ryan on empathy and the hardship 800,000 workers are facing either being furloughed or asking to be working without pay. Youre saying months, if not years, for the shutdown. Do you have in mind a safety net for those who need their checks . The safety net is having a Strong Border because were going to be safe. Many of the people youre discussing, i really believe that they agree with what were doing. The last segment offered without any evidence. What is the role . What have we learned from past shutdowns about the role of empathy when it comes to the potential political pain of one party or another . Well, first you have to have some. I think this president has demonstrated that he doesnt. The billionaire private citizen, donald trump, did not pay workers. And now the person whose first job in government is as president of the United States is not paying workers. I think the lack of empathy comes because hes never lived paycheck to paycheck. Hes never faced hardship. As evidenced in the New York Times article that laid out his Huge Investment that his father gave to him. Hes somebody privileged his entire life. He doesnt understand how government works, and he doesnt understand how a lot of the working class affords to live every day. And i know a lot of people have been saying the federal workers will get back pay, but thats not true for everybody. There are a lot of contract workers who are struggling right now. There are going to be people who dont ever get back pay. The working class, people in the Food Services industry. I think this is going to be a challenge. Listen, we know yon w. H. O. Donald trump is talk i dont know who donald trump is talking to or who hes talking to, when call the white house you cant get through because of the Government Shutdown. Thats another mistruth that hes hearing from all these people saying they support the shutdown over a wall that most americans dont want. Daniel, the wall street journal is reporting and cnn has matched the reporting now that the president after saying he doesnt like to call it a shutdown said that he prefers the term strike. This is not obviously a strike. What does that tell us about how the have the peviews the 800,00 federal workers sitting at home or going to work and have no guarantee of pay . It doesnt show that he has a ton of respect for them given that they want to be working and hundreds of thousands of them are actually on the job. Youve seen a couple of maybe 100plus tsa workers who dont want to go into work. But the vast majority of people who are keeping the government running and essential services, you know, operating, they are working without getting a paycheck while, you know, President Trump, its a big question whether he and a couple members of his cabinet and other senior officials, whether theyre going to take that pay raise that they were supposed to get of potentially thousands of dollars. And so that contrast is going to be very damning for democrats to potentially use in 2020, and they will argue that you look at the polls, and this is not something that americans support in terms of the majority. And youre going to see republicans on capitol hill eventually, and youre seeing cory gardner and Susan Collins saying enough is enough, weve to stop this. We dont want a Government Shutdown for a year. This would hurt the moderate republican prospects in 2020 among senate and house. Lets talk about that, tiffany. Mitch mcconnell said hes not going to bring anything to the floor until theres an agreement between Congressional Democrats and the president. But at what point hearing that the president says this could go on for months, years, maybe even up until 2020, thats unimaginable. But that is that dug in. Does Mitch Mcconnell have to start protecting his majority in the senate and have to send something to the white house potentially and consider overriding the president s veto . Absolutely. This has been the big problem. Republicans have stood by while this president s petulant behavior has caused irrevocable damage to hundreds of thousands of workers, and people who, like i said, contractors and agencies, federal agencies, so in this effort to protect the border, Border Security, were actually less safe during the shutdown. I think what its going to take, like daniel said, you have Susan Collins and cory gardner bucking the party, and you need more republicans like that to speak out on it. I have my doubts that that will happen. For the past two years we have not seen a lot of people buck the party. Im not sure that well see that going into an election year. When mitt romney was bold enough to call the president out on some of the things that weve seen, his own party attacked him, his own niece attacked him at the rnc. Im not sure that well see a lot of bold steps by the republicans on that effort. But i really do think thats what its going to take. We have new leadership in the house. Were going to see democrats fight. Its going to take republicans on the right side to step up and who claim to be patriots, who care about the working man, its going to take those people to move to force the president s hand. All right. The next meeting is at 11 00 this morning. Tiffany cross, daniel lipman, well see if theres progress. Thank you both. Thanks. Thank you. Following breaking news out of california this morning. At least three people are dead and several wounded after a shooting at a bowling alley. This happened in torrance. Upon arrival, officers say there were multiple people with gunshot wounds inside the building. 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A tsa spokesman says, quote, Security Effectiveness will not be compromised, and performance standards will not change. However, some Officials Say there may be a few random patdown checks fewer, i should say. And some passengers may be given expedited screenings. I want to bring in a cnn transportation analyst and former Inspector General at the u. S. Department of transportation. Good morning. Good to have you back. If you were back in charge at the department of transportation, how would you deal with this . Unfortunately the law sets forth how you deal with it. The tsa employees are important to the safety and security of the american public. And federal law, particularly something called the antideficiency act, strange little law, been around since 1976, says that they must go to work because they are so important. And the tsa is very important. If you work, you are guaranteed to be paid when the government comes back, unlike folks who are on furlough. Youre guaranteed to be paid. But they do have to continue to work, and the government rules still apply. You can take other employment to make ends meet, but theyll have to comply with the government ethics rules, Financial Disclosure rules, and technically you are not supposed to call in sick if theyre not sick. They can require it. Federal law already sets it forth. By the way, you could have stopgap funding to get them back to work, but of course theyre in the department of Homeland Security. Thats where the problem lies. In their department. Is their department. Okay. So when you have this many out sick, you have to assume this is organized to some degree, yes . Well, one would assume. But lets hope not. Remember, there was also a lawsuit filed about the the furloughs and the shutdowns. So one would hope its not organized to violate any of the requirements and the ethical standards and the employment standards of the federal department, but it would appear to be so. You know, i prefer to think that these people are trying to find other work to temporarily pay their bills. You know, i was in the governor for so long. I went through lot of shutdowns, including the long nest history under president clinton. Longest in history under president clinton. And those around the government, keep your furlough money on hand. If you have to go through it, youre used to it. Ford, clinton, carter, bush, reagan, they all had