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kim jong-un is trying to challenge him. >> north korea is the problem. the problem will be taken care of. >> we're an administration wanting to show a message that there's a new sheriff in town. we don't know, you know, whether we're making maximum effort to settle this peacefully or not. >> we will not relent in our mission to destroy isis in 2017. >> we have given them total authorization and that's what they are doing. >> that does send a message around the world that america's back. >> the trump administration says they will not release the names of people who visit the white house. why? what is the big secret? >> we don't want to go and scare people from being able to come into the white house. >> it's total bs. well, you've made it to saturday. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm victor blackwell. north korea is putting the world on notice. for the first time showing off what could be the powerful long-range missiles and as the regime prepares for another nuclear test, tensions are flaring on the peninsula. >> kim jong-un was on hand watching this huge military parade that marks the country's biggest holiday. take a look. analysts say what we're seeing is this. never before seen military hardware. they believe these mobile canisters could contain the largest missiles produced by north korea. >> and the u.s. is watching very closely, with an aircraft ca carrier off the korean peninsula. happening right now, you see vice president mike pence and karen pence about to depart from joint base andrews there and head to south korea. this is the first stop on an 11-day trip to the asia pacific region. this trip comes at a very critical moment. more critical than when they announced it a week ago after these escalated comments. you can see the vice president here and second lady as they board air force two. escalating and posturing from north korea kim jong-un. they could conduct this new nuclear test. now, along with the visit to seoul, the vice president will also include stops in tokyo, jakart, sydney and back in hawaii. the white house foreign policy adviser says the trip is intended for the vice president to lay out the administration's policies to u.s. allies in the region and to offer and foster relationships with government and business leaders. >> will ripley, by the way, is in the north korean capital this morning. he had this close-up view of this parade that we've been talking about and the new military hardware we're seeing filing this report a short time ago. >> so far, no nuclear test on the day of north korea's most important holiday but you've seen a show of force of a different kind. north korean citizens are out here right now. these women are holding up a north korean flag. earlier, we saw north korea's full arsenal on display. there were scud missiles, land-based missiles that could be launched from a mobile launcher and at the very end we saw an intercontinental missiles. we know kim jong-un's goal is to develop that with a nuclear warhead capable of reaching the mainland of the united states. while it may not be there just yet, pair rairades like this sht they are continuing to make progress that many experts had predicted. many thought there may be a nuclear test on this important holiday or on the lead-up to it. however, it seems as if the north koreans are holding off for now. i've received information that a special operations military exercise earlier this week when commandos were jumping out of airplanes, that was in direct response to tweets from president trump talking about north korea and urging china to solve the north korea problem, as he put it. but we also know that there's a "uss carl vinson" strike group, 60 planes, nuclear missiles and 90,000-ton aircraft carrier all to send a message of deterrence to the north koreans telling them not to engage in provocative behavior. but the atmosphere out here, as the north koreans would put it, is a single-hearted determination to fight, to fight against the united states because their country has told them all of their lives that they are under the imminent threat of invasion. and so you have a lot of these civilians out here, perhaps not many of these women but you have a lot of the men in the crowd here who have a military background who have told us repeatedly that if there was to be a war with the united states, they would leave their jobs, put their uniforms back on and fight. so this is what north korea is saying, that they are being underestimated by the world and they put on these supersized displays to try to prove to the world that they are here to stay and they are going to move forward on the road of their choosing even if that road is a path to nuclearization that many feel is a destructive path. will ripley, pyongyang, north korea. >> will, thank you. this happens as the vice president heads to south korea. let's go there now to cnn's paula hancocks there in seoul. paula, this is an annual celebration, the day response t we're seeing to -- or at least in seoul to what we saw those canisters, potentially, of icbms? >> reporter: victor, the intelligence agency here is working hard this evening and around the world, i'm sure. experts pouring over those images looking at serial numbers, looking at the size, the shape trying to figure out what the capability of north korea is. of course, the analysts are saying there are two new icbms, which they believe should be of note. they don't know if anything is inside them or whether or not it's a mock-up or whether or not it's actually functioning at this point or whether there's more work to be done on it. but it is a very clear message from north korea to south korea and to the united states saying this is what i have and this is what i can hit you with. it's a very clear message we're hearing and we know that officials were watching this day very closely, victor. >> paula hancocks there for us in seoul, thank you very much. senior national security correspondent for "the daily beast" is with us now as well as general mark hertling. thank you both for being here. general hertling, we heard from will ripley saying that north korea believes they are being underestimated. how confident are you, based on what we're seeing this morning and what we've seen in the parade, that the u.s. and its allies has a decent, accurate gauge of what north korea is capable of doing in terms of their weaponry? >> the experts in the field, chr christi, know exactly what -- the intel analysts will say they are looking for capability and often can't give you intention. we know what the north korean capability is. we track it very explicitly in terms of their number of launches, their success and failures of the program, what kind of things they are going to do. and probably with north korea, we know more of their intention than any other country in the world because the intention of kim jong-un is to maintain his regime, his family's regime. and they are unbelievably convinced that they can wi withstand any threats anywhere in the world. that should not be underest mad mated and i don't think the experts who will watch this will do that. >> i want to talk to you about what a north korean official said. if the u.s. does any reckless provocation, he says we will immediately apply a destructive strike. we're prepared to respond to an all-out war with an all-out war and we are ready to hit back with nuclear attacks of our own style against any nuclear attacks. here's the big question. as the general was talking about intent, do we have any interpretation of what specifically a reckless provocation -- what would constitute a reckless provocation in north korea's eyes? >> well, what i think you're seeing here is them posturing with the kind of rhetoric that perhaps is a bit more over the top than we've seen before but, look, they've got one chip to play. the threat of a nuclear explosion. the threat of a missile that can reach the continental united states. so i think today, seeing them show their might during a parade but not stage a nuclear test is really a version of them blinking. they see the u.s. carrier strike group right off their coast. they are probably hearing from the chinese premier and his officials in the background that, look, i have now met with president trump, you've seen what they did in syria. they're serious. let's work this out behind the scenes. give us time to maneuver this unpredictable u.s. administration because we don't know what they might do. >> all right. i want to listen real quickly here to representative rubin who was talking about what happened in afghanistan specifically and let's talk about it on the other side of this. let's listen. >> it seems like you just use a shotgun to kill a fly. so i'm not sure that it was the right use of this type of weapon. there are other weapons that could have done it. >> so general hertling, this is his assessment of what happened in afghanistan with the mother of all bombs that was dropped earlier this week. is that or was that, in a way, when we talk about tactics, a sign to north korea not to mess with the u.s.? >> not at all, christi. and general nicholson said that yesterday. as much as i admire congressman gallego, he is wrong. he should know better than to say something like this. he served in the marine corps. the weapon used in afghanistan by nicholson was designed for the target they hit. we have manuals that say, if this is the target, what you want to do, this is the weapon to use against it. and that's what nicholson did knowing the threat in the nangarhar province. he was able to destroy a lot of caves and complexes and overpressured ieds. so he did what he needed to do in that area, sending a signal to the isis khorasan group. >> kimberly, real quickly, we just saw the vice president leaving for south korea as he's going to be discussing north korea very much on this next 11-day tour that he has. how influential do you think his words will be? how much actionable change do you think he will be able to influence? >> i think what the vice president will be doing is to explain to people behind the scenes that here's our thinking, yes we have one face that is looking very provocative but we have a national security team we trust and this is what we're moving forward on. it's going to be a reassurance tour. and just to second what general hertling said in terms of the use of the weapon in of a dpan stan, what we're hearing from isis-related fise isis-related fighters, they are shocked and stunned that there aren't even bodies for them to bury. it had the psychological effect that it was intended to have on the battlefield. >> real quickly, yesterday donald trump jr. tweeted, "bomb the held out of isis." this didn't sit well with you? >> it did not. my wife has reminded me to stay calm and keep my emotions under check when i say things about that, but this is unfortunate for an individual who has not seen combat, who has not seen the kind of things that weapons do to people and to bodies to tweet something like that. it's immature and unnecessary and i think he should stop doing these kinds of things when he doesn't know what he's talking about. >> kimberly dozier, general hertling, thank you. >> thank you. so a missile strike in syria and this bomb dropped against isis in afghanistan, are these the first hints of a trump doctrine? and what does this mean if north korea tests another nuclear weapon? but men, women, children in syria suddenly vanish. some missing as many as five years. a new documentary now shedding light on the assad regime and the criminal investigations surrounding it. it delivers a whole mouth clean with a less intense taste. zero alcohol™. so it has the bad breath germ-killing power of this... 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>> jessica schneider, thank you so much. >> let's welcome in errol lewis and amanda. let's listen to what leon panetta told nbc. >> the administration is creating an even higher volume in terms of the provocations that are going on. i think we've got to be careful here. we shouldn't engage in any precipitous action. there's a reason no u.s. president in recent history has pulled a trigger on north korea. >> amanda, is it likely, are we seeing indications that this president will go beyond the tweets and beyond the "carl vin vinson" and the rhetoric and take action on north korea? >> i think that's what disturbs so many people about donald trump. his foreign policy has been like his tweets. he launched the air strikes in syria. he dropped this mother of all bombs in afghanistan and a lot of people didn't see this coming. there wasn't a lot of public debate that he was going to do this. and so, you know, these are meant to be provocative. it's meant to be predictable and show that he will take action but it's not necessarily tide to any long-term strategy. trump is unpredictable and that's what scares people. there was a report that the administration was looking at a pre-emptive strike ahead of a test by north korea although administration officials have denied that. we don't really know what trump is going to do. >> errol, will ripley reported a few minutes ago that the north koreans say that some of the exercises that they partook in earlier this week was in response to the tweet that the president sent out saying that north korea is causing trouble. we know the senior advisers are not with the president this weekend in mar-a-lago. >> it also suggests it might be good news, victor, that maybe there is no first strike or no strike planned for this weekend. and by the way, north korea was going to have a big military display on this very important quasi religious holiday no matter what, whether donald trump had tweeted or not. amanda is exactly right. when you have unpredictability coming out of the white house as a strategy, it doesn't just throw america's adversaries off guard, it throws america's allies off guard. so it may work as a strategy on the campaign strategy, it may be what donald trump wants to project to american adversaries but the level of instability that it can provoke, especially when nuclear weapons are involved, is something that is going to call for a rethinking and i expect him to get a lot of criticism for this. >> some are wondering whether there's a greater strategy at play here. william with the center for international policy has an opinion piece on cnn.com and he writes, "is there a new trump doctrine in the making or has the president found a formula for distracting the media and the public from allegations of collusion with russian during the 2016 election." how pervasive is this sentiment in washington, amanda, or is mr. hartung more cynical than most? >> he was getting bipartisan praise at first, even members of the democratic party were saying this seems like it's good. we may want to see more. we would like to see him consult with congress. but at first a lot of the response was praise and obvious obviously there's nothing that donald trump likes more than hearing him praised. this is something that maybe isn't going as badly for the trump administration as all of the domestic policy and it's a bit of a distraction. but i don't know yet -- i don't think we know whether there is any foreign policy doctrine other than unpredictability. errol was talking about how allies don't like this. china said, don't start this because if world war starts, this is on you. >> it's important to point out that this is a different type of fish and the different weapons that they are working on. it may not fit so neatly into the theory that he writes for afghanistan and syria. >> that's right. look, it's always been a puzzle because you have nuclear capability of some sort but it's in the country that has a gdp that's reliable seems to put it at a smaller than that of vermont with maybe 500 miles of paved roads. this is a country that is entirely economically dependent on china for its survival and has this closed society, strange dictatorship that has a quasi religious aura around it. it's hard to formulate a policy. let's give the white house a little bit of credit at being thrown off guard perhaps the way other administrations have. very hard to figure out what to do here. and so stability is going to have to be the watch word. >> errol louis, amanda turkel, thank you both. 94 isis fighters were killed by the mother of all bombs. what does it mean for the war against isis. plus, can a first-time candidate flip a district that republicans have held for decades? 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>> reporter: the largest conventional bomb dropped in combat exploded above caves and tunnels in a remote area of eastern afghanistan. the top u.s. commander adamant the mission was only about killing isis. >> the timing of the use of this weapon was simply the appropriate tactical moment against the proper target to use this particular munition. it's not related to any outside events. >> reporter: it does deliver a psychological message to isis. one military official tells cnn the massive bomb is powerful enough to destroy nine city blocks. >> it will level that area and provide an unbelievable amount of concussion to that area. so it will collapse caves, blow up things and it will -- if you're alive afterwards, you're going to have perforated eardrums and a lot of drama. >> reporter: general nicholson says it all went as planned. caves and tunnels destroyed and dozens of isis fighters killed. >> we have persistence surveillance over the area before, during and after the operation and now we have afghan and u.s. forces on the site and see no evidence of civilian casualties, nor have there been any reports of civilian casualties. >> reporter: the bomb had been in afghanistan since early january. nicholson signed the order authorizing the mission just 24 hours before the bomb dropped. afterwards, local afghans described the enormity of the blast. >> translator: last night's bomb was really huge. when it dropped, it was shaking everywhere. >> reporter: a lot of fire power was used but the estimate is there's still upwards of 800 isis fighters inside afghanistan. christi, victor? >> barbara, thank you. men, women and syria under attack in their own country. many killed, mutilated, some kidnapped. now a new documentary shedding light on what they say is the assad regime and the criminal investigation surrounding it. 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(laughing) there are thousands of people trapped after an evacuation deal stalled. it would have allowed syrians to escape the bloodshed to get to nearby towns and villages. men, women and children have been indiscriminately beaten or killed. most recently with the chemical attack that killed more than 80 people. well, there is a filmmaker now highlighting in a new documentary the atrocities committed by the assad regime. it's called syria's disappearance, the case against assad. it goes inside the criminal investigation in case it's being built against president bashar al assad. listen to the story here of a torture survivor who smuggled the names of his fellow cellmates out of detention. >> when i look at those shirt pieces, written with blood, some of them i knew. i got the news, they are dead. i have their blood with me. i have the handwriting of a man. these shirts are, i feel it, it's filled with their souls. i called many families and the families need to know. >> thank you for taking the time to be with us. i read what this is about. the stories of torture are horrendous. the families, you can't imagine what they are going through. help us understand what you've heard, what you've encountered in syria. >> yes, this was an investigation that my colleague and i have done for two years and into the tens of thousands and men of women and children who were arrested after peaceful protests in syria in 2011. the syrian regime has for decades tried to silence people and once the protests began in 2011, they arrested hundreds of thousands of people and civil rights activists, human rights activists. the person that we just had from that clip, mansour, who was detained for months, he is somebody who was documenting the disappearances and that's why he was detained and tortured. the kinds of torture that people have recounted to us are really horrific, including a great deal of sexual assault by their captors. there are also children inside these facilities. ngos estimate there are about 2,000 children inside these facilities now and they need to be freed. and i also spoke to relatives who have lost their loved ones who for 18 months she was searching for her son because the regime doesn't give people information. they don't say where these people are being held, what's happened to them. and after 18 months, she found out that he had died in detention. and then she saw his photograph in the photographs, which were smuggled out of syria by a regime defector and that's all she has now of him. she doesn't have a body and she carries this photograph on her phone of his corpse. she just says she dreams of having a grave for her son. and that's the situation so many families in syria are facing. i can't really -- i can't express the scale of the situation and it's very underreported because it's not on the battlefield. it's a hidden humanitarian crisis. >> well, with your documentary, it will not be. we know that the u.n. security council resolution to refer syrian regime to the international criminal court was vetoed by russia. china has abstained. %-p are war crimes investigators which we feature in the film who have got over 700,000 documents that have been smuggled out of syria. regime documents that show actual orders for peaceful protesters to be detained and show that the orders went down the chain of command and that, you know, the regime knew what was -- also knows what is happening in detention in terms of the criminal nature of the detention policy. so those along with the photographs that show 6,700 photographs of those who have died in detention have been used to start a criminal case in spain because, as you say, the international criminal court is not an option because of the russian veto. but the prosecutors and lawyers that we feature in the film they have been through the caesar photos and a family member who identified their loved one in the photographs, she's a syrian national and so she has been able to bring this case in spain and the judge has accepted that and so that case is moving forward. so all we can hope for is that there are more cases in these -- in european courts. we're expecting some cases to be brought in germany. >> okay. >> and -- because i have to stress that all the syrians we spoke to, it's so -- they kept expressing to us how much they want justice. they don't want vengeance. they want justice in a court of law, all of them that we spoke to. and that's really important and we need to support that. >> sara afshar, it's something to see. syria's disappeared: the case against assad. that's what it's called. thank you for talking to us. >> thank you so much. red line, 20 minute delay. oh, no. 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