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CNNW New Day June 29, 2016

Immediately it was a bomb. And i just bolted as fast as i can. Reporter two of the terrorists opening fire at the International Terminal before blowing themselves up. This amateur video shows just some of the injured laying outside on the ground before the first explosion. That sound from the first blast by the arrival hall on the first floor. Travelers seemingly unaware of the attack that is about to unfold. Another Surveillance Video captures the chaos inside as one of t attackers runs into the airport. Then hes apparently shot by a police officer. His gun sliding across the floor. Seconds later, another massive explosion. Roof tiles falling, panes of shattered glass along the floor, and bullets perforating the windows and walls. You dont think its real. Then people started running and running and running, so we clashed and fell over each other. It was total chaos. Reporter the third attacker detonating a third explosion at a parking lot at ataturk airport. Istanbuls airport is known for its heavily fortified security inside and outside the terminals. Turkish Prime Minister says the attackers arrived at the airport by taxi. He says all indications point to isis, bearing chilling similarities to the deadly bombings in march at Brussels Airport and subway system. Amazingly, the airport behind me has actually reopened, victor. Theyre trying to return as quickly as possible to some semblance of normalcy. For those who have been describing to us those shattered panes of glass, the bloody footprints tracking out of that terminal building as people ran for their lives, it is just an extraordinarily difficult moment here in istanbul. Its starting to feel like a continue y continuum at this point. Understandable. Thank you so much. Turkish and u. S. Officials say the u. S. Tan bull airport attacks carried hallmarks of an isis inspired assault. Was this the work of isis or potentially another terror group . Cnns Senior International correspondent Clarissa Ward, what are you hearing . Well, this does bear all the hallmarks of an isis attack or isisinspired attack. There have been six attacks in turkey this year. Majority of them have been either kurdish separatists or else by isis. What is slightly unusual is when it comes to turkey, isis doesnt traditionally claim responsibility for its attacks. This in stark contrast from attacks that it has pulled off in the west, which it immediately likes to trumpet online. Why do we think its isis . Well, lets look at some of those hallmarks. The first one that jumps out, watching it unfold yesterday, is the fact that the attackers, the perpetrators were heavily armed. This fits the profile of the socalled suicide warrior. These arent just suicide bombers. Theyre suicide fighters. The idea is that they go in there, theyre heavily armed, they try to kill as many people as they possibly can using their ak47, and only then do they detonate their explosive vest. This is exactly what we saw in the bataclan theater in paris. Its also important for our viewers to understand this is the last ten days of ramadan. Its the holiest period of the holiest month of the year. Earlier on, we heard isis spokesman. He came out and he urged anyone who is part of isis, who supports isis, who is inspired by isis, to come out and carry out attacks during this holy month. Clarissa, stay with us, if you would. We also want to bring in phillip mudd, cnn counterterrorism analyst and former cia counterterrorism official, and michael weiss, Senior Editor at the daily beast. Michael, let me start with you. Why wouldnt isis claim responsibility for this . When it claims to turkey, they dont like to do it, and i suspect its because they want to create ambiguity. Because they operate so closely to the Turkish Border and they rely upon turkey essentially to keep that border as an open sieve so their fighters can go back and forth, theyre looking to destabilize the turkish government and Turkish Society but not draw the ire and fire from ankora. Turkey has prioritized the fight against the pkk traditionally. Turkey has been shelling isis positions and locations with artillery so thats why they would hit. Because there is a concern. Turkey is a unique opponent for isis. They have the biggest military in the region. They have great intelligence and contacts. Its their will to fight on a larger scale thats been the issue. Theres another aspect of this from the american perspective. Ordinarily, we dont care if its isis or somebody who wants to be isis or somebody who is, you know, somehow perversely interested in isis. But here the analysis matters because if it is or if it was pkk, well, then thats a different threat assessment for us back here in america because pkk isnt targeting us. Thats very specific to turkey. So we actually do want to know this time, right, phil . Sure, and theres another aspect of this thats interesting and critical, in fact, from an american counterterrorism perspective. If youre looking at the people who are drirected or inspired t carry out an attack like this, theyre going to be inspired by the same people who send individuals to places like paris, brussels, or the United States. Were not just trying to figure out what is the Network Within istanbul that might have supported. This i want to know, is there a center of activity in a place like raqqah, the core Operations Area in syria for isis, who are also training to attack us . Clarissa, i want to show the video of the one of the attackers detonating his suicide vest. It is very macabre. Its very, very disturbing. We want to let people know. But what is so striking about watching this is because we get to see it for the first time, sort of how it unfolds. Hes been shot, it appears. Hes in pain or clearly debilitated. But the desperation. When i watch it, hes still desperate to detonate himself. Its just so obviously hard for us to kind of digest here in the west. What do you see when you watch that video . Well, i think its easy for our viewers to sort of forget this, but this is a cult. These people who are trained for these types of operations, they desperately want to die. For them not to die in this operation would defeat the entire purpose of it. These are martyrdom operations. They believe this guarantees them a place in paradise. Not only does it guarantee them, theyre allowed to them intercede on behalf of their families. Essentially, they can bring their whole family to paradise with them. If they fail to detonate and are arrested by turkish forces, then the whole operation has been a miserable failure. So it is striking to see him still detonate when hes lying there wounded on the floor. By the way, theres nobody else in that arrivals hall around him at that point. Presumably they had all run away. So he doesnt even achieve his goal of trying to kill as many people as possible, but we saw this again with the attackers in paris. That attack basically went wrong, but still those bombers, they blew themselves up. They barely managed to kill anyone but themselves. But for them, the whole purpose of this operation is to die in the end. If you dont die in the end, it doesnt matter how many people you killed, you didnt complete your operation. And there is a meaningful distinction for you, phil, for you, michael, in the difference between a decide bomber and a martyr in terms of what their motivation is. Alisyns word is macabre. My word is unfortunate that they didnt shoot this guy early enough. In terms of protecting yourself, does it matter if its a straight suicide bomber or a martyr, how much preparation, whether they come with a weapon or not . Well, on the battlefield, isis guys come with their ak47s, their assault rifles, and shoot as many as they can. They will literally go up and hug their enemy then detonate the bomb to take as many people as they can with them. They have tens of thousands of people on the ground in syria and iraq, untold numbers of people, sleeper cells or networks, scattered throughout europe and the middle east. They dont want to waste these guys. You can kill more people using a gun and bomb attack. Im just so struck by everything that youve said and that clarissa has said. This is important for everyone to remember. They want to do they are deeply driven to do this. We in the west need to understand that thats hard to combat. I interviewed a guy whos in the isis Security Services who defected. I asked him, when it comes to decide bombers, do you select these recruits, or do they volunteer . He very carefully said, no, they always volunteer. We want people who are committed to die. Look, phil, guys like you have been telling reporters like me since 2001 that its not about their numbers. Everyone on the other side is willing to die. They want to die for this. Its a different psychology of warfare because obviously your goal is to be effective but stale alive. Why now . When you look at this, there are a lot of Different Things you could be examining, whether its turkey taking up renewed relations with israel, whether its the anniversary of the caliphate that isis brags about. What do you see in terms of timing . A lot of times in these situations we try to create stories or narratives that dont exist. Is it an anniversary issue . Did they select a date . In my experience, that doesnt happen. You nig you might see that occasionally. Typically in these situations, its you have someone who has access to the target, that person is trained by a cluster of people within turkey or back in syria. The longer they sit around, the more vulnerable they are to turkish Security Services. Go now because we have the training, we have the capability. I wouldnt read too much into the date. So its a crime of opportunity. Thats correct. So interesting. Thank you, all, for the expertise. Obviously well be relying on you throughout the program. Lets get to victor. Alisyn, thank you. The two presumptive president ial nominees both strongly condemning the terror attack in turkey, but their approaches on how to respond to terror are starkly different. Cnns Phil Mattingly joins uh now with more. Its the everpresent element of this campaign, terror. You have campaigns trying to figure out how to deal with it, candidates constantly talking about it, and voters increasingly uneasy about its existence. Last nights attack underscoring once again that the candidates have very different strategies as they deal with this in the weeks and months ahead. We had another suicide bombing, istanbul, turkey. Many, many People Killed. The airport attack in istanbul leading president ial candidates to once again address terrorism on the campaign trail. We better get smart, and we better get tough, or were not going to have much of a country left, okay . Its bad. Hillary clinton refraining from any mention of the terror attack during a town hall in los angeles tuesday night. Instead, releasing a statement, pledging that the attack in istanbul only strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and radical jihadism around the world. Contrast that with trump, who is again arguing for using torture in the fight against terror. So we cant do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads. We have to be so strong. We have to fight so viciously and violently because were dealing with violent people. The presumptive gop nominee coming under fire once again for his rhetoric. The Transpacific Partnership is another disaster. Pushed by special interests who want to rape our country. Trump, provocatively vowing to rip up International Trade deals, spending most of tuesday laying out his economic plans and arguing that americans need to take their country back. Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. I used to be one of them. Its left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. Clinton saying shes sympathetic to people drawn to trumps message. They have lost faith in their government, in the economy, certainly in politics and most other institutions. I am not sympathetic to the zen phobia, the misogyny, the ho homophohom homophobia, and the other dog whistles that trump uses. Its been clear that donald trump, whether its on Economic Policy or National Security, is going to continue to target the uneasiness that exists kind of across the country right now. It was a clear component of his economic speech yesterday and as he spoke about the terror attacks last night. That said, some differences we saw yesterday, his campaign putting out a rather muted statement when it came to the terror attacks. Uneasiness inside the Trump Campaign how they saw his poll numbers drop after his response in the wake of the orlando tragedy. Thats interesting, phil. Well talk about that statement he put out coming up. Thank you for that. So how are the terror attacks overseas and here in the u. S. Affecting the 2016 race . Thats next with our political panel. What are you doing . Getting faster. Huh . 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He had a big day with his trade speech. It had ideas, it had substance. Well get to that. This is whats going to get the headline though. His saying we should match tactics. Whos he targeting with that . Whats going to be the pushback . Hes targeting really the electorate that hes targeted up until this point. I think the question becomes, its an electorate that already supports him, right . Its the republican primary electorate thats for him. The question i think is, first off, the idea of bringing back tactics that have been labeled terrorism and banned illegal. Theyre illegal. Theyre quite literally illegal. Its unsettling to a lot of people. What it taps into is fear about kind of the broad picture that isis creates and that we as a country are not tough enough to deal with them. Isnt that at the core of Donald Trumps message throughout the last 13 months . Were not tough enough to deal with them. Bring back terrorism. Yeah, of course, why not . Theyre cutting off heads. We should at least waterboard. Its been a consistent message from him. You heard it again last night. The question becomes, and i hinted at this earlier, after orlando, that kind of bombastic congratulatory i was right, should have been a tougher response. That was unsettling inside trumps campaign. You saw the difference in the statement they put out versus the statement he made. So they both put out statements. I just want to read one sentence from each that are the crux of their arguments so we can see the contradiction. He put out this statement. He says, we must take steps now to protect america from terrorists. So not specific. But just saying we should be strong. She puts out a statement at the crux of which is, we must deepen our cooperation with our allies and partners in the middle east to take on this threat. A little more specific. Again, not exactly how we are going to quiet terror. No, and Donald Trumps lack of specificity on being tough and something bad and huge and amazing, none of which a campaign or a presidency makes. The bottom line, and ive done a good deal of studying on how isis works, its very different from al qaeda. Secondly, the only usable information they got out of interrogations was when they were not waterboarding. But people will say anything when theyre being tortured is the thinking. Correct. Fundamentally, the reason its not like al qaeda is because it has a lot of money. They recruit people. They pay them. Most of them are part of an apocalyptic cult, but some of them are unemployed youth from western europe who get a few hundred dollars a week by working for isis. If you undercut them financially, and the way you do that is get to qatar, kuwait, to the gulf country, put pressure on saudi arabia. So why arent the candidates spelling that out . Because donald trump doesnt enjoy specificity, and Hillary Clinton understands you cant go and spit on your allies while youre trying to get their help. Ali, lets look at two

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