injured, over 100 weapons found at the scene. >> shell casings, weapons, knives clubs, we're talking chains with padlocks on the end of them. >> reporter: cell phone video captures the aftermath. bodies lying outside twin peaks restaurant in waco texas. the fierce gun battle with rival motorcycle gang members turned within moments into a gun battle with officers. a memo going out to local police warning officers that members of the bandidos and cossacks have been reportedly instructed to arm themselves and head to north texas. >> there's been enough bloodshed, enough death here. >> reporter: aerials show members of one of the biker groups the cossacks being arrested. >> in texas the bandidos are at the top of the pile. everybody wants to be at that top level. that's all this is. king of the hill. >> we're not like that. the '60s are long gong. >> reporter: with a faded swastika on his arm, a bandido member high up in rank says the media has it all wrong. >> we didn't do nothing here. they're saying lies on tv and telling everybody that the bandidos are after police officers. that's never been. >> reporter: the u.s. justice department identifies the bandidos as one of the top two largest outlaw motorcycle gangs in america with at least 2,000 members in the u.s. and 13 other countries. and the texas department of public safety still lists the bandidos as a tier two gang the second most dangerous classification. according to a law enforcement source preliminary information indicates that four of the bikers were shot and killed by police. though local police say they still haven't determined who is responsible for the nine deaths. chris. >> obviously the big question nick is what happens next. thank you for staying on it. to be sure the situation is as dangerous as it is bizarre, think about it. this is a turf conflict playing out in plain sight. now, our next guest spent five yearsin infiltrateing bikers gangs for the atf and we protect his identity because he fears and reasonably so that he's a target. he's the author of vagos, mongols and outlaws. charles, i appreciate you taking the risk to talk to us. >> thank you, chris. thank you for having me. >> all right. so to be very clear the early reports were this is about parking spots and that's why these hundreds of guys showed up and have decided to fight to the death. what's it really about? >> it's about territory. it's about the texas state bottom rocker that members wear on their vest the cossacks decided to step it up and challenge the bandidos for texas and this is a result of that challenge. >> the bottom rocker you mean the patch you wear along the bottom of the vest. the top is your name symbol in the middle and location on the bottom. now, why is something like that so important? what does it really mean? >> that means you're claiming that state as your state or your territory. >> to do what? >> to be the top echelon of the biker world for that state. it's not really to control drugs or criminal activity it's just to be the biggest man on the block. it's to say this is ours. >> but if it's not about money or crime or anything like that then what is there to the ownership? >> they like war. they like participating in war. they like acts of violence. and they want to just be able to say this is our state and we stopped any other motorcycle gang from coming into our territory. >> what is the word about how big this is how serious this is? >> well any time a biker gang war starts it never stops. so i mean 30 40 years from now you'll still be reporting about these two biker gangs fighting each other. the war will never end between the two. >> so it's the cossacks and bandidos. isn't this something you hear about later on as opposed to playing out in plain sight where they're telling police we're coming they better arm themselves we're going to settle this once and for all. how unusual is this? >> it's pretty unusual. there has been some shootouts in the last decade on the west coast. but they're usually -- they usually like to stay low key and not be in the public eye so that they can kind of fool the public into thinking they're not a gang. >> and what do you hear in terms of what may happen next here with all these big numbers of people? i mean it's very unusual for us to observe this and the police are kind of like referees as opposed to locking everybody down. >> i think the bandidos and cossacks will stand down for now, but i think you'll see retaliation in about nine months to a year. biker gangs are patient, and they'll wait. but i think they'll strike again. i think they'll back off now because of media attention and law enforcement being out in high numbers. they'll wait for it to die down and they'll do a counterattack. >> and what do you make of these big numbers going there? if they're planning to kind of keep it on the down low for a while, why are they amassing such big numbers in state? >> i think they're preparing for any other actions that could happen. i think they're trying to mass numbers so they can protect each other, especially in areas where they might have less members. so i mean both the bandidos and cossacks have hundreds of members in texas. and both i would consider that their home state. so i think they're just massing to make sure that they can protect each other to get a game plan for the future to meet and discuss this ongoing war with each other. >> is there anything the police can do to stop something like this? again, i mean you understand the dynamics of the cultures very well. but for these -- basically you saw the scene play out for yourself the cops were kind of ringing around the situation and letting it play out. i mean it was very weird. all these locals were showing up with their own weapons to kind of defend what was going on there and they wound up getting arrested. it's very unusual. >> yeah. i think if we stop giving concealed weapons permits to gang members that would have definitely reduced the amount of guns that were at this restaurant. i think second any time a restaurant or bar or club has a biker event they should make it so it is no colors. no colors meaning they're not allowed to wear any gang-affiliated clothing. >> but how do you enforce it? if you have like five big dudes come in with these vests on you expect some waiter to come up and say i'm sorry you'll have to leave? and how do you keep them from getting concealed weapon permits where unless they're felons they're able to get them as anywhere else in a place like texas. >> i know. you would have to change legislation. because all these gang members are known gang members. the feds and the local police department has files on them. they're in the system as gang members. so you simply would just have to flag these folks in the system so when they did apply for a concealed weapons permit it came up they were a known gang member and you don't allow them to get a concealed weapons permit. >> when you talk to law enforcement, they see these gangs as kind of like getting away with the worst of what we have in society. they believe that they are responsible collectively for over half the drug trafficking in the country, that they believe they're responsible for a large percentage of unsolved murders. what was the big lesson that you learned in your time infiltrating that you think people should know? >> that biker bangs are much more sophisticated and structured much more structured than your average street gang. they know what they're doing. they have bylaws and rules and a highly sophisticated way of conducting war. they keep files on their enemies. they do countersurveillance and surveillance on their enemies and law enforcement. they're very smart. they're not what we picture as our average biker. >> charles falco, thank you very much. thank you for agreeing to come on even with your concerns. and we'll stay in touch off television so you can let us know what's going on. appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. alisyn. another top story we're covering. the fbi finding no evidence of bullets being fired at the train before that crash. the engineer's actions remain the key focus. cnn's erin mclaughlin has the latest for us from philadelphia. what are we learning erin? >> reporter: hi alisyn. well at the heart of this mystery is why the train accelerated. so the focus very much is on 32-year-old engineer brandon bostian. a source with knowledge of the investigation say the possibilities range from human error to something more intentional. let me take you through some of the ntsb's latest findings. yesterday the fbi looked at that circular marking on the windshield and concluded it was not from a bullet. bostian also did not tell the dispatch the train was hit by an object prior to the crash. and so far there's no indication of mechanical failure. but authorities say they are not ruling that out. now, today we are learning that a conductor on the train filing suit against amtrak yesterday, the first four passengers filing suit as well. but there is a cap, a federal cap on compensation for all victims and any claims of $200 million. and legal experts say that's simply not enough to cover the damages in this case. and now lawmakers are trying to increase that cap. michaela. >> all right, erin thank you so much for that. we turn now to iraq where thousands of shiite militiamen are readying for battle. 3,000 fighters mobilizing east of ramadi in a desperate bid to take that key city back from isis. cnn international correspondent nick paton walsh joins us live from beirut with more. nick. >> reporter: the clock really is ticking on whether or not the iraqi government can mount a convincing counterattack to take back ramadi. it is so utterly vital to the security of baghdad, frankly. and for the long-term fight to try and win back so much of iraq's population it sits on a main highway frankly from isis's heartlands in syria right down to the capital. and it seems slowly isis are kicking government control out of there. we learned last night that 25,000 people fled in the days of the assault itself. there are many questions being asked as to how was it possible -- [ technical difficulties ] >> all right. we lost nick. we'll get him back later on. we appreciate his reporting there for you. we have other news. the state department says it won't finish reviewing and releasing thousands of pages of hillary clinton's e-mails until january 2016. we're also learning clinton's lawyers handed over the e-mails in hard copy. it's like a dozen boxes. now they need to be rescanned. one thing hillary clinton is not handing over is her private e-mail server she used exclusive exclusively to conduct state department business. all of this as memos about libya e-mailed to clinton from sidney bloomenthal they're under scrutiny now. they want to subpoena blumenthal and get those e-mail which is are supposedly private. rescue crews searching for more bodies following that deadly mudslide in colombia. at least 62 people were killed dozens injured. crews working tirelessly to bring aid to hundreds of survivors. heavy rains swept away dozens of homes there. and more rain is expected in the next few days. shocking video to show you out of china captured the moment when a retaining wall under construction toppled crushing pedestrians. it's believed a strong gust of wind brought the wall down. bystanders immediately rushing to help those trapped under the heavy debris. we understand at least two people were killed. several others were injured. this happened in the eastern province of chendong. >> can we see it again? just to see how quickly it came down on those people. >> there's apparently a steel gurter and knocked that down. >> lucky people came there. >> oh my gosh. right. it's always happy to report good samaritans and rush in and try to get people out. >> it's lucky more people weren't killed actually. all right. back here at home we've got some weather concerns to worry about, rain really. most of the country, going to bring the threat of flooding as a result. we could be looking at historic levels of rain for the month of may at least in the south central states. that's what chad myers says. let's bring him in. >> are you questioning chad? >> i'm a fan in general. but i always try to like sell him on any propositions of the worst just in the sake of optimism. >> prove it chad. >> christopher charles, you're so difficult to work with. >> i hear that. >> you always got that does not work and play well with others. rain showers coming into new york but this is not what we're talking about. what you're talking about is texas. texas right now is approaching their entire yearly rainfall and it's only the middle of may. it's already raining there. and it's still raining and it has been raining. there are flood watches and warnings from kansas down into parts of mexico. this is what last week looked like. everywhere that's red is four inches or more everywhere that's purple six inches of more and it's still raining. this is what texas looked like last year. the drought monitor said there's nothing growing u. you have to get rid of your crops, get rid of your cattle nothing we can do about it. this year plm completely gone. the gulf of mexico moisture gets into oklahoma texas and kansas and it just rains. and it rains day after day after day. and then the next five or six days we are going to see another six or seven inches of rainfall. and some of that could come with hail, tornadoes and also wind damage. once you're in this pattern, guys it's hard to get out. and they are stuck for a few more weeks. >> oh boy. all right, chad thanks so much for the warning for folks there. great to see you. meanwhile, up next we have a one-on-one interview with senator rand paul the kentucky presidential hopeful separating himself from the pack on a number of issues. he has a different take on isis on iraq and the nsa. all that plus his new book next. all right. we also are reporting on a deadly fire at a mansion in washington mainly because it's now being called a homicide. these mysterious texts and voice mails surfaced that we'll tell you about. especially the content of those messages now piquing investigators interests. right now, verizon is offering unlimited talk and text. plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month. and $15 per line. more data than ever. for more of what you want. on the network that's #1 in speed, call, data, and reliability. so you never have to settle. $80 a month. for 10 gigs. and $15 per line. stop by or visit us online. and save without settling. only on verizon. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say geico is proud to have served the military for over 75 years! roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour of the wisconsin now. could've parked a little bit closer... it's gonna be dark by the time i get there. geico. proudly serving the military for over 75 years. 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>> yes. and i think the reason it's a mistake is still an important one for us going forward because we've had the same question repeatedly. is it a good idea to go in and topple a secular dictator and try to build a nation? are we good at building a nation and can we build nations in our own image? i think every time we've toppled a secular dictator in the middle east we've gotten something worse and something less stable. >> why is it so hard for others to answer that question? >> i'm not sure why it's so hard but it shows some differences between the candidates. and i think if people want another iraq war, they know who they can vote for. if they want someone who's not very likely to have another iraq war and will only go to war when we have to when it's the last resort when we have to defend america or american interests, there are going to be some other alternatives. >> 12 years later you know the u.s. is still grappling with the chaos in iraq. on sunday the key city of ramadi fell to isis. in your new book you write "the onus of defeating isis is squarely on iraqis and kurds." that sounds good of course but it doesn't seem to be working. the iraqi army was not up to the task in ramadi. >> that's the real question. people are saying we should have just stayed. but we stayed for a decade we've trained them for a decade. we've given them billions in weapons. i jokingly said we should have bought them tear away uniforms when they run away. the kurds are good fighters. i would go one step further, i would arm the kurds and offer them a homeland. if you will fight to keep people out and to push out these mo radars i'd give you a homeland. >> why isn't that working in ramadi? what would you do if baghdad were in danger of falling? >> i'm all for the u.s. helping and supporting the iraqis. and we have been. i'm all for the air power and for continuing to help the iraqis and kurds with arms and air support. ramadi is different. it's not a kurdish region. you're now talking about a sunni region. this is ultimately why iraq has devolved into a failed state. we have a government that's almost entirely shiite aligned with iran and the sunnis feel left out. it's also why americans or shiites can't -- can take the cities but we can't ultimately hold them and have a lasting peace unless the sunnis are involved. so it's a very very complicated situation with many different players. but if the sunnis are not involved, there will be no lasting peace. >> but if you were president and you saw isis encroaching on baghdad baghdad, what would the u.s. role be? >> right now it would be air support. but the one thing i would be doing in addition to that is arming the kurds to a much greater extent than we have been recognizing the kurds as a nation. but one of the things i would do is one of the things we did during the surge. people talk about american troops during the sunch surge. the other thing we did is put a lot of money in assistance to the sunni chieftons to encourage their support. if you weigh that amount of money versus what we're spending on other things i think it would be money well-spent to try to encourage the allegiance of the sunni chieftons once again. i think they will discover if they haven't already discovered that life under isis is not the greatest for your women, for christians for minorities of any sort i think it doesn't take long for people to grow tired of isis. but we also the only way to goat sunnis onboard is to include them rk the shiite government and baghdad need to be more inclusive. >> it would be nice if people rejected isis and that just solved that but the problem is isis is growing. let's talk about here at home that there's interest in isis. in fact let's talk about the attack in garland, texas. if that attack had been successful in other words if the isis-inspired terrorists had actually killed the people inside that cartoon drawing contest, what would president rand paul have done in retaliation? >> well the same thing we do all the time and we should continue doing is try to prevent this from happening. if it happens people have to be punished. i think the one mistake that president obama made is sort of been downplaying maybe what happened at ft. hood in saying this is workplace violence when it was obviously an act of terrorism. i also think that because we've been so e namerred at collecting all americans records we haven't spent enough time specifically going after the people that attack us. the tsarnaev boys we knew that one of them was potentially a plotter. the russians tipped us off. we interviewed them but we didn't know he went back to chechnya. so i don't think we're spending enough time actually looking at and going after and isolating and looking at the records of people who we have suspicion for. i'm all for that. i think we take our eye off the prize when we look at all americans records. >> so when you say that you would have dealt with if there was an isis attack on the homeland you mean in a criminal justice way? or you mean in an antiterrorism way? >> well i'm not sure how it's different. if simpson had shot somebody and we didn't kill him on the spot there, he would have been tried in a regular american court for murder. and he would have gone to prison or been put to death. >> sure. i mean the argument is getting to the root of the problem. so not just dealing with them as they pop up in a criminal justice way trying them getting them to stop the problem. >> that goes to what i was referring to as to how we go after terrorists. i think we need to spend more time i would go deeper into the woods. this is what people misunderstand sometimes about my position. i'm all for going after terrorists. i'm all for the nsa looking at records. but they need to look at records of individuals. this is about the fourth amendment. the fourth amendment says the name has to be on the warrant. you can't put verizon on a warrant and look at all verizon customers. you put that gentleman simpson's name and look at his phone records and the next set. i don't care how many hops into the records you go as long as you have suspicion, someone's name on the warrant and a judge signs the warrant. >> of all the gop presidential candidates you are the most vocal opponent of the patriot act. some of your fellow candidates say that it has been a great tool. it's been a great tool in protecting the homeland. >> yeah. >> do you disagree with them? >> yeah they're wrong. i mean the privacy commission recently came out and the government said oh 52 people have been captured through this bulk collection of records. but when the privacy committee looked at this and then with the senate committee looking at this they found nobody that was actually captured by the bulk collection of records. >> what the house intelligence committee has said and the former chairman of that mike rogers who is now a cnn analyst and he stands by this today is that there were 54 terror attacks around the world that were stopped by this metadata collection. so terror attacks thwarted including the 2009 new york city subway. >> there are people that disagree with him including the privacy committee that looked at all of this and disagrees with him. you can have disagreements. the people on our side believe in the bill of rights i get to see very little the intelligence committee gets to see 100 times more than i get to see. and the thing is you getting the information given to you by people who believe in this bulk collection of records. so you're only getting one side. we don't get a two-sided evaluation of any of this. on the intelligence committees in recent history ron widen has been a champion for privacy and the bill of rights. there have been very few others that i think have a balanced or nuanced approach as far as protecting the individual's right to privacy. >> let me ask you the question from the flip side. that is do you know any innocent americans or know of any innocent americans caught up in the dragnet of phone record collection? >> i don't get any of the information. so if there were no one would tell us. >> do you fear that? is that what you fear -- >> let me finish the point. the point is is that the director of national intelligence came and said the program didn't even exist. so how could i ever trust them to actually reveal if they're abusing the system? now, there were some press reports that some people who worked at the nsa were spying on their girlfriend and boyfriend to see where they were. there have been some instances. but even if there were zero what madison said about government what madison said about laws is that if government were comprised of angels we wouldn't have to worry about giving them power. government will never be comprised of angels and that's why whether there's been an abuse or not that's why i worry about -- i think patrick henry said the chains of the constitution were to bind the politicians that's what i worry about we enforce it. >> quickly the vote to authorize the patriot act or the house version, this week in the senate all eyes on you, are you going to filibuster this? >> i will do whatever it takes to stop it. whether i'm allowed to filibuster is the question. there's a sort of paper filibuster you can always do demanding 60 votes and objecting, not giving them consent to proceed. that i will do. i will do a formal filibuster. whether or not that means ki go to the floor, some of that depends on what happens. people don't realize this but you have to get to the floor when the floor allows you to come. so whether that happens or not i will filibuster the patriot act and i will do everything i can to try to adhere to the courts. the courts have now said the bulk collection of records is illegal, they should stop immediately. >> if you're allowed to filibuster you plan to talk for 13 hours or whatever it takes. >> well nobody can predict how long you can talk but i plan on doing everything humanly possible to try to stop the patriot act. >> we had your lovely wife kelly, on "new day" a month ago. and somehow the subject of your hair came up. >> oh no. >> yes. >> oh no. say it isn't so. >> she revealed that you cut your own hair. is this a taxpayer saving cost consciousness on your part? or what is that about? >> probably more time saving than anything else. that's why i have an excuse if people say oh my god look at his hair well i didn't have time to go to a regular barber i trimmed it myself. a little of both. sometimes i get a professional trim and sometimes it's whatever i get a chance to do. >> do you think america is ready for a curly haired president? >> we'll see. but one of the funniest things i ever had is had a woman come up to me and grab me by the hair and said i just wanted to see if it's a toupee. i said hey, i'm just having a bad hair day. >> that's great. senator rand paul thanks so much for being on "new day." we really appreciate sitting down with you. >> i will point out we do currently have a curly haired president. >> yes, who keeps it much shorter. >> he doesn't wear it curly. >> right. but still is curly. it's in your soul alisyn. >> i appreciated him talking about that. he said that's happened more than once people have come up and tugged on his hair more than once he's had to deal with that. >> people need guidance which is why we need good leaders. how hungry do you think he is? >> i think that he's serious about it. so i don't know about hunger in the belly, it's hard to read because he's a sort of controlled person but i think he's very serious. and he's clearly thought out all the positions. he has an entire book that he's basically a position paper on everything he stands for. it was interesting to hear him talk about how the difference in how he would fight isis. i mean he basically said he would create a kurd stan. >> is it a machine he comes with? oftentimes politicians roll with a machine. did you feel a sense of that? >> he has handlers but wasn't a huge juggernaut. it was interesting. just interesting to get his take on this. >> great job. >> if you want to read more about senator paul's positions do so in his new book called "take a stand, moving beyond partisan politics to unite america". >> great job. >> thanks. president obama moving to demilitaryize police departments across america, banning armored vehicles and weapons of war. but is this new initiative going to put cops at risk? 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was it ransacked? because of the fire damage authorities say they don't know. so what is going on here? were the voicemail and text sent out under duress? and why are police not saying which three suffered blunt force trauma and which one did not. the d.c. police have released this video of what they call a person of interest. it is literally and figuratively a shadow y image of somebody walking behind the building after supposedly taking the family's porsche. the car found ditched in a maryland church parking lot where it was torched. sifting through the trash is meticulous. the odor of the smoke still sifting through the neighborhood obvious as police continue working to solve what is a deadly mystery. gary tuchman, cnn. >> i remember when we first reported that fire sounded like it was a terrible accident. >> gary picked up on the main thing for investigators right now which is those texts and voicemail come from the victims. so that is confusing to them. it's not like they received texts from someone else saying you're not showing up for the meeting this morning. >> if it was really sent from the victims unless somebody had their cell phone. >> that's going to be the confusing part for them. >> quite a mystery. president obama says military gear makes police look like an occupying force. but does demilitarizing help? 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i've never seen that. a talking point just pulled out of the air saying if police officers have military equipment that it starts some trouble. i think the president's more worry about hurting somebody's feelings than the lives of police officers. i've never seen cops with bayonets or grenade launchers. i've made some phone calls. nobody knows anybody with grenade launchers or any bayonets. the one thing i'm worried about in this whole comment here was basically that no riot equipment will be transferred to police. and if it is they need to provide additional certification, insurances and cares will be used responsibly. when was the gear never used responsibly by the police? when were the police never trained by using this type of gear? so as far as i'm concerned those statements the president made are basically just to his, you know to his left. and, you know they're not substantiated at all. >> is this about optics? if you want to deal with police aren't you supposed to deal with community relations and training? why start here? >> part of community relations are optics. part of what people want is patrol neighborhoods and talk to people. part of that is about optics. about making people feel as if they're not an occupying force. i disagree with harry on a few points. i'll be brief. >> of course. >> one is that it's not a play to the left. both the left and right post ferguson have said the militarization of police forces is dangerous. this is one of the few things both sides of the aisle seem to agree on. another piece of this is you're right we don't know what the police departments have those things. part of the problem with the 1033 act and before that 1028 is that we're not allowed to know. it's not public transparent process. the best we can find out is what county. for example i know in st. louis county somebody has a semiautomatic weapon but i don't know where. >> semiautomatic weapons are fine. >> or machine guns. excuse me -- >> but police departments might have them -- >> let me finish this point. >> all right. >> the third piece and i think the most important piece here is that these weapons can be used irresponsibly and they can be used in ways that only intensify fear and actually stamp down protests and stamp down first amendment rights and it's been like that since reconstruction. >> but they've not been used improperly. just like police officers have guns on their side, they can be used improperly. we're not taking guns away from police officers. the fact is after 9/11 all this equipment went to police departments. why? because of the threat of homeland security. there's a threat that isis now could attack us any time. the other night we had a big problem in waco. now, what if all these bikers out there -- and they found over 100 guns there, what if they decided to shoot out with the police? we would have had a massacre all right? nobody's got grenade launchers. nobody's got grenade launchers. even said they got grenade launchers, no what i want is on apc vehicles for them to be able to go out there. >> how about land mines? >> they don't have land mines. >> that's not true. >> you might as well say they've got air 15 fighters. >> watertown, connecticut spent $755,000 on a vehicle that could avoid land mines and protect it from land mines. >> that was homeland security. >> doesn't mean that the police department's got land mines. >> you're missing my point. they invested $750,000 on something in a town that has 22,000 people. >> that's about money. >> it doesn't matter. that's part of the problem too. >> you're telling me there couldn't be a terrorist attack in that town? >> yeah in watertown -- >> the risk is probably remote. we've heard of smaller police populations getting disproportionate amounts of money from hls. that's a budget issue. >> it's not just a budget issue. >> where's the fear to the community that they have a vehicle that can resist land mine sns. >> it creates a militaristic mindset mindset. you don't want a police force that thinks it's an army. >> how come we've never heard it in baltimore and ferguson? i never heard the conversation before. >> google it. i wrote about three pieces in the last 15 years. >> how high is this on the list of priorities of what's going to make a wrongful shooting or excessive force less likely? >> i think that's a great question. that's why i disagreed with the president. here's a great example of what's possible. i think we need to get away from military style equipment because i think it creates an occupy presence and occupy mentality in the community and in the minds of police. also i think we have to look at militaristic practices. in camden people still getting tickets for riding a bicycle without a bell. >> i hear you about that stuff. and we're showing these cops pictures here. look at the picture we're showing. what do you think was going on in that picture? you think they're out trying to do a drug bust? no they're worried about having to do tear gas, guys throwing things at them probably having weapons. we saw what played out there. this is a little unfair. this isn't how they patrol the streets. this is what happens when there's a riot going on. >> exactly. this was for riot situations. you don't see them on patrol with an apc no matter how bad it gets. >> i agree. >> that would be a problem. i would hear you on that. >> the police need to be protected. police in baltimore were not without helmets. >> right. >> because probably some politicians said i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings meanwhile cops are getting rocks thrown at them lead pipes -- >> i don't disagree. >> i tell you, i actually think, all right, that the left does not give a darn about police officers lives at all the way we talk. >> now we just went off the rails. i don't think this is a left-right issue. >> not as often. >> what i'm saying -- >> if they're in some meeting with the president, the president's going to get whatever he wants. i can't see a police chief say, no i do not want an apc. >> my bigger point here is i don't think we're disagreeing that much. we're both saying the police need stuff to protect them. we agree. there are certain things we both think are excessive. you're saying they're not asking for it. i'm saying we don't know if they're asking for it because this bill allows it to be obscure. remember some of the this stuff isn't stuff police can't have needs to be more controlled tightly released. >> this is an unnecessary distraction. the money for community policing's been cut, having police officers come out of those communities has been cut. it's not a priority. those are the things they should be emphasizing. >> i don't think it's an unnecessary distraction at all. i've been ongoing town to town literally talking to people about militaristic police practices. >> practices. >> and the two things they talk about are the way they patrol neighborhoods, which is what you're talking about and also weapons in times of crisis in post ferguson that's been a bigger conversation. i think the optics of this translate into practice on the ground. >> i think we need to remember that police lives matter. and this is what this is all about. >> fellas thank you. certainly two distinct sides of this. you see them laid out. what do you think? tweet us using #newdaycnn. this conversation will continue. it's a big story. there's a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. fellas. a major biker war playing out in texas. >> any time a biker gang war starts it never stops. >> we would encourage biker groups to stand down. there's been enough bloodshed. there's been enough death here. >> at the heart of this mystery is why the train accelerated. the ntsb is saying that this engineer manually moved the throttle forward. >> there's no denying that this is a setback. but there's also no denying that the united states will help the iraqis take back ramadi. >> the only way they're going to be able to take ramadi back is by flattening it. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning everyone. welcome back to your "new day." fears of violent retaliation in texas this morning. police on high alert with word members of two biker gangs may be on a collision course following that deadly battle sunday. >> nine people were left dead in waco this weekend. cnn has learned four may have been killed by responding officers. so is another round of carnage coming? it seems so the question is how will it be stopped. let's begin with nick valencia in waco texas. nick still very much on edge there, yes? >> reporter: yes. still an active crime scene, tape still up police say they are on heightened alert because of a memo by biker gangs that they may be going after biker gangs. police continue to remove more motorcycles from this parking lot. in custody this morning 170 suspected biker gang members, their bond totalling $170 million. after a dispute in a restaurant bathroom on monday led to nine people dead and 18 injured, over 100 weapons found at the scene. >> shell casings, weapons, knives clubs, we're talking chains with padlocks on the end of them. >> reporter: cell phone video captures the aftermath. bodies lying outside twin peaks restaurant in waco texas. the fierce gun battle with rival motorcycle gang members turned within moments into a gun battle with officers. a memo going out to local police warning officers that members of the bandidos and the cossacks have reportedly been instructed to arm themselves and travel to north texas. >> we would encourage biker groups to stand down. there's been enough bloodshed. there's been enough death here. >> reporter: aerials show members of one of the biker groups the cossacks being arrested. many of the others part of the notorious bandido motorcycle club. >> in texas the bandidos are at the top of the pile and everybody wants to be at that top level. that's all this is. it's king of the hill. >> we're not like that. the '60s are long gone. >> reporter: with a faded swastika tattooed on his arm, a bandido member high up in rank says the police and the media have it all wrong. >> we didn't do nothing here. we are fighting for our rights. they're saying lies on tv and telling everybody that the bandidos are after police officers. that's never been. >> reporter: the u.s. justice department identifies the bandidos as one of the top two largest outlaw motorcycle gangs in america with at least 2,000 members in the u.s. and 13 other countries and the texas department of public safety still lists the bandidos as a tier two gang the second most dangerous classification. according to a law enforcement source preliminary information indicates that four of the bikers were shot and killed by police. though local law enforcement officials we've spoken to say they have yet to determine who is responsible for the nine deaths. alisyn. >> okay nick thanks so much for all that background. we want to bring in now steve cook, he's a kansas city police detective. he spent years infiltrating outlaw motorcycle gangs like the bandidos. steve, thanks so much for being here. the initial reports were this was some sort of dispute over a parking space. then as you heard nick's report something happened in a restaurant bathroom. you say that this is nonsense. what was this fight about? >> well this has been an ongoing problem between the cossacks and bandidos. basically what it boils down to like any other biker dispute it runs to turf. these individuals are fighting over control of turf. the bandidos have historically controlled texas. and the cossacks have stepped up recently. they've put on a texas bottom rocker on their vest. and basically kind of challenging the bandidos authority in the state. >> when you say they put on this bottom rocker on their vest that means -- it says texas and that means they're trying to claim that turf? >> exactly. and that's what again, most of these conflicts are over. when these gangs put these rockers on you know claiming dominion in a particular area they're also claiming all the criminal activity that goes along with that. so it's obviously an affront to the other group they're dealing with. >> as we said you've spent a lot of time in and around the bandidos. how dangerous are they? what's their culture all about? >> well you know when i listened to a little bit of the tape of the high ranking member from texas that was talking about this not being the '60s. you know this is nonsense. these guys organize crime. they're involved in a laundry list of racketeering activities. they use drugs. they manufacture drugs. they sell drugs. they steal motorcycles. they extort people. they rape rob and murder. these are not good individuals. and, you know the assertions that they make that they're just some fraternal group out for a, you know get together is ludicrous. >> is this a uniquely texas problem? or are these gangs in every state? >> yeah virtually every state. we have outlaw motorcycle gang activity and of course worldwide motorcycle gangs are the only export of organized crime for the united states to abroad. so yeah it's a big problem everywhere. and, you know some areas more so than others. but there have been multiple documented incidents just in this past year. >> how seriously, detective, do you take the threats that there are other gang members who are now headed to the waco area to sort of continue this fight? >> well you know definitely there's going to be other gang members show up to the area. a lot of reason for that is to back fill the membership if you will. you know guys are obviously taken off the street getting locked up. so they have to bring some people in to kind of you know fill the ranks. so i think you're going to see that happening. plus you're going to have funerals going on and things like that. you are going to have an influx of people. >> because, detective, what's so striking is when you look at the video of that melee there. the police though they were out in force look like they're outnumbered. i mean there were hundreds of these gang members. so how can police be prepared for what might happen in waco? >> well you know it's like with any other situation you've got to take them one at a time unfortunately because it's very difficult to forecast. i mean nobody could have forecasted this situation especially to the degree of violence that occurred. so you know the intelligence sources are out there working. i know texas dps will have analysts working on this as well as you know biker investigators from across the country will be tracking information, communicating with you know current members who are sources and former members for that matter that have information. and just try to kind of put a plan together. >> i mean you say nobody could have forecasted this but didn't police have some sense that there was something brewing and things were percolating there? could this event have been prevented? >> well i don't think it could be prevented. and when i say you can't forecast these groups can fight at the drop of a hat, anywhere that they choose. and, you know, you can't stop them under the current laws from congregating. it's being a member of one of these organizations in and of itself isn't a crime. so you can't really stop them from doing that. and, you know unfortunately the twin peaks area was the location where this happened. but it could have been anywhere. >> so detective, what's the answer here? >> well i think the real answer here is to get some help from the government. i'm not talking about from the law enforcement side. i'm talking, you know actual -- the federal government from a politics standpoint getting somebody involved where they can kind of look at these organizations and say, hey, you know based upon the conduct, based upon what we know about them are these really individuals that have any legitimate purpose? they're obviously gangs, they're obviously involved in violent criminal activity. maybe it's time to look at you know doing some bans on these organizations like they're trying over in australia and parts of europe. and again, based upon the violence that they're engaged in. >> you are one of the foremost experts on all of this. steve cook we appreciate you coming on "new day" to share it with us. >> thank you. >> let's get to chris. all right, alisyn the investigation into the train 188 in philadelphia continues. the damage to the front of that train in philadelphia was not caused by gunfire. that's what federal investigators are saying. they're not sure what caused the damage to the front. they're not ruling out that it may have been hit by something. and they're still focused on the engineer. to bring us up-to-date on everything cnn's erin mclaughlin is life in philadelphia. what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. well investigators say the person driving the train is the only one who could have accelerated it and so the focus of this investigation very much on 32-year-old engineer brandon bostian. a source with knowledge of the investigation say the possibilities range from human error to something more intentional. let me take you through the ntsb's latest findings. yesterday the fbi looked at a circular marking on the windshield and concluded that it was not from a bullet. bostian did not tell dispatch the train was hit by an object prior to that derailment. and so far there is no indication of mechanical failure although authorities say they are not ruling that out. now, today we learned that a conductor onboard amtrak 188 has filed lawsuit. yesterday suits filed by four passengers. the real issue here is the cap. there's a $200 million cap on any claim for all victims from a single rail incident. experts, legal experts say that's simply not enough to cover damages in this case michaela. >> those people injured are going to face a long long road to recovery. erin thank you so much for that. nchs. to iraq some 3,000 militiamen are grouping in a desperate bid to take ramadi back. nick paton walsh is tracking latest for us. he's live in beirut. good morning to you. >> reporter: michaela there are two vital groups of people to be worrying about this morning. the first as you mention are those shia militia and iraqi tribes and iraqi police all willing to get into the fight to take ramadi but each hour they wait isis can dig in to that city where there used to be a million people living. tough for the u.s. to work out how, when and why to intervene the militia doesn't always trust. those who lived in ramadi we know 25,000 have fled in the days of the assault, but there are thousands more still trapped inside. they face life under isis always brutal always back ward or potentially execution. certainly government loyalists or ex-police. this is a vital fight not just in the isis campaign headed by the u.s. and the coalition, but also in terms of the security of baghdad. ramadi a key city on a highway that runs from isis heart lands down to the capital. the government has control of pockets along it but ramadi was a big prize and will be a very big fight to get it back. >> nick paton walsh thank you for that reporting. while rescue crews searching for survivors following a deadly mudslide in northwest colombia officials say at least 62 people were killed. dozens injured. crews working tirelessly to bring aid to hundreds of survivors. heavy rains sweeping away dozens of homes and more rain expected in the next few days. 14 employees at oakland international airport busted for allegedly smuggling drugs through the u.s. airports in a three-year scam. according to a complaint the handlers would bring bags filled with weed to the airport and skirt security. they would pass bags to couriers on outbound southwest flights and sell the drugs in various cities. show you this an suv erupts into a fireball following a head-on collision in north carolina. the situation looking really grim until offduty army captain steve vogelson drives by. he jumps into action and grabs a fire extinguisher smashes the window of the acura freeing the couple trapped inside. those victims fortunately are expected to be okay. they're in their 60s. he doesn't like to be called a hero. he says he believes we all have a calling and he was simply called to be there that day. >> oh my gosh it's so admirable -- i would be terrified if i saw a car in flames but people rush towards it to help. >> and it looks like it's sort of not on a busy intersection in the middle of a city. it's kind of in a remote area. thankfully he was there. >> and he is a hero. >> absolutely. >> i think it's important to recognize that because while, you know that's what motivates him is he's not trying to be extraordinary just doing what he wants. >> heroes generally don't want the spotlight. >> it's important to encourage people not to run into fires. >> help where you can. >> step up. >> that's a good one. back to what nick paton walsh was reporting, the fall of ramadi to isis fighters being called terribly significant. can the u.s. help iraq reclaim that city? 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what's the significance? >> well the pentagon's right. this is the ebb and flow. this is like hey, we didn't get the first down now we have to go back on the defense. ramadi i'm telling you right now, it will be taken back eventually by iraqi forces. but the significance is is one, the closeness to baghdad. and what's happened is here is raqqa, the capital for isis. but this whole area down the euphrates is giving them more land all the way into baghdad. >> that's a concern. critics on the outside are going to say, look this isn't working. what's the plan b? if you're trying to rout isis out, you're pushing them elsewhere. >> correct. >> what about a containment plan? surround? >> isolation. >> yeah what about that? >> that is a course of action. but i don't think it's going to be a course of action for the iraqis. they're not going to allow this to -- that might stop here at the syrian border that isolation. but this whole area you have fallujah ramadi al assad, all those areas out there that isis controls right now eventually have to get brought back to the iraqi control. >> if we look into ramadi the proximity to baghdad as you mentioned. and here's the other thing you are bringing to us that you are really concerned about is the fact you've got 100,000 people that are refugees essentially trying to free. that's going to give isis some sort of cover, is it not? >> it does. i mean i've got employees right now that have families that were living out in anbar that are now refugees piling into iraq. i've got one of my employees has 16 people living in his two-bedroom house. that's a concern. >> that's a huge concern. >> and throughout the whole area the jordanians 25% of their population right now are refugees. so this whole war between syria and isis has caused a huge humanitarian problem. >> this also shows the iraqi forces this poses a unique challenge for them. this is not something the coalition can deal with or manage this has to be done from the ground level, does it not? >> it does. we talked about this yesterday. >> looking into anbar province -- let me try that again. we know this is a painful loss for american lives back in 2003 over 1,000 american lives lost. at the -- >> i think it's political rhetoric right now. it's unfortunate but it happened and it happens in war. and no one wants to see it. i think it's something the politicians will try to continue to keep abreast of. >> i want your take on this because you have been there and you know all of the players involved in this so well. there's a lot of talk and concern about sectarianism. what is a true assessment of what's going on there? >> at the ground level me and you, sunni, shia they're fighting together. they have a common enemy. and i've been with these folks. they're iraqis. again, i said it yesterday, when i came back from iraq there's only two types of people politicians and everybody else. the politicians make it. i think sometimes we here in the west push too much on the sectarianism. i think we have to be careful. is it out there? it is but i think the people will prevail. >> looking at this map here i want you to point out to us show us this area of concern you're watching right now. i want you to draw on the map what you see. because to all of us this is going to look like okay we look at the under isis control is the red area the liegtder yellow is the isis support zone. and then these attack zones are sparkled around in orange. explain to us the significance in what you see here. >> right now everyone's focused here on ramadi. right here big sandstorm yesterday that really gave isis an advantage over the iraqi forces because they lost all their air support. >> that gives them the hometown advantage. >> absolutely. >> although iraqis will be able to deal with that as well. >> it does. but the iraqis their significant support -- >> from the air. >> is from the air. when you take that away it kind of evens the playing field. here's raqqa, that's the capital of isis. but what i'm going to watch is the euphrates river valley. this will become what the military calls a target area of interest. everything in this area right here is owned by isis. so anything moving in there we should be bombing and destroying. >> real talk. we know that the pentagon the administration has said for a long time there's not going to be success in battling isis unless the iraqi military can take the lead can be on the ground in the fight, et cetera. how confident are you feeling? >> i agree with that assessment. and if we want this area of the world to get better the people here have to do it. >> are they doing it? >> well they're working hard. but i don't understand why the iranians put advisers in because when you train a force, if we go into a military base and i train a force and i push him out the door it's really nice -- this is what our green berets our special forces do if we can go out there and help coach, teach and mentor them from the train base out to the battlefield, you'd see a significant change i believe on the battlefield. >> always a pleasure to have you here. we appreciate your expertise and insight. chris, to you. all right, mich remember those hillary clinton e-mails she supposedly turned over to the state department 55,000? the public's going to have to wait until next year to see them. that will be right before the iowa caucus. what kind of impact could this have? inside politics gives you both sides. out of 42 vehicles based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? 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because we all knew him. i grew up with him thought he was the best athlete in the world and now he's the face of this. it's something that's real and out there and people are so anxious to judge him that it is interesting contrast. you have this guy you had to respect, bruce jenner and now you have something that so many people are on a whim not respecting. and they're in conflict now. >> and that he's taping it all and letting america in peeling back the curtain. and for the most personal moments, intimate moments of your life he's letting everybody see it. >> we often judge what we don't truly understand. >> for fear. >> sure. >> but i think it's brave of him. people say he's doing this for the exposure i don't buy that. when you talk to people in that community, you'll say you do not do this -- >> not at all. >> -- just for attention. >> not at all. >> it's interesting to behold painful as it is for him. let's turn to inside politics on "new day." gloria borger is in for john this morning. >> hello. >> how are you? >> good. >> great to see you. >> we have a lot to talk about today, alisyn and has to do we mails. with me jackie and olivia thanks for being here. as we all know the government of the united states works at its own speed. and the case of hillary clinton and her e-mail it seems to have hit a speed bump. this morning we learned that the state department learned it will not be able to release those 55,000 pages of e-mails. she handed over to the agency last december. i want to read you a little bit about what the government said about it. the government said the department understands the considerable public interest in these records and is endeavoring to complete the review and production of them as expeditiously as possible. the collection is however, voluminous and due to the breadth of tommics, nature of communications and interest of several agencies presents several challenges. one of them is apparently the christmas holidays the filing says. so the release is further delayed until january 15 2016 13 months from when hillary clinton handed over those e-mails. and by the way, guys that's two weeks before the iowa caucuses. what does that mean for hillary clinton? >> well it means if there was even a scintilla of doubt we would be talking about the e-mails through the to the election that's extinguished. we'll be talk about it sooner. >> she wanted them released sooner. >> of course she did. the further from the election this is there's more to cover if there's anything in them. >> there are some e-mails that are going to be released, there's 900 pages of e-mails the benghazi committee is going to release soon. and today the "new york times" reported about some e-mails between hillary clinton and her old friend sidney blumenthal who advised her on libya to a degree was employed by the clinton foundation. does this create a problem and raise more questions about the blurred clinton network between clinton friends, philanthropy business -- >> well if you're a hollywood screen writer you would basically write this story a long time con sill ya tor advising hillary on her private e-mail system on policy about libya and doing so in a way that benefitted his paying clients. so absolutely. >> yeah. >> he's kind of the personification of the appearance of impropriety. >> that's right. >> he is that person. >> i think the question still remains to be seen actually about whether the public cares about the e-mails, what the public cares about at least hillary clinton thinks is her experience. this is what she was talking about in iowa yesterday. let's take a look. >> we are living in an incredibly complicated time in american history. it is not a time for easy answers or glib answers or one-liners or applause lines. those are all great. that's part of campaigning. but at the end of the day we need a president who has both the experience and the understanding to deal with the complexity of the problems that we face. >> now, that could be campaign 2008. >> yeah. because that's when hillary was running on experience. not so subtle whack at her republican opponents. >> obviously in a week in which the republican field really struggled to answer the question about would they have gone into iraq would they have ordered the war. this is an obvious rebuttal or obvious comment from hillary clinton playing to one of her strengths which is experience. >> and look at those candidates. look at me look at all the experience i have. which is basically what she's saying but also made sure to say this is about you. >> and i'm the adult in the room here but by the way not taking reporters questions. does anybody care about that but us? >> i think anybody who care are some staffers on the republican presidential field. i don't think the public really is paying that much attention. and frankly if we cared that much we could be writing stories that said look there's this important issue and she's not answering it. >> right. so we do have republicans taking questions, as many as they can because they have to distinguish themselves and get known to the american public unlike hillary clinton who is the most-known politician in america perhaps. and yesterday rand paul spoke to our own alisyn camerota he was trying to distinguish himself. let's take a look. >> i'm not sure why it's so hard but it shows some differences between the candidates. and i think if people want another iraq war they know who they can vote for. if they want someone who's not very likely to have another iraq war and will only go to war when we have to when it's the last resort when we have to defend america or american interests, there are going to be some other alternatives. >> so what segment of the republican party is rand paul trying to appeal to by saying if you want to go to war you know who you can vote for? >> the iraq war was unpopular. so he's looking at those republicans that are like this ruined our party in a lot of ways. and saying take a look at me because those people are the same people who are nervous about rand paul who are worried about him being an isolationist. and he's trying to sound like the reasonable guy who's not going to go running into something without all the evidence. >> does this have an appeal to the base? >> the young part i suspect it does. young voters are concerned about military intervention overseas domestic surveillance and that's rand paul's sweet spot. this is an opportunity for him to go on offense as being hit as an isolationist. he's a noninterventionalist. his rivals give him a chance to seize that platform. >> don't you see the party as growing more hawkish? i mean when you look at polling over 70% of republicans would use some type of force, for example, combatting isis. the general public as a whole seems to be growing a little more combative, not just the republican party. so does he seem his, you know nonintervention does that seem a little out of step with the party? >> he's the only candidate to have actually introduced a declaration of war in congress against isis. so no i don't think this is as much of a problem for him as it's being made out to be. i mean he has a tough path. as you say, the republican party as a whole is pretty hawkish and he's going to have a tough time with some older voters. but in terms of younger voters this is great. >> hawkish on iraq, i think there's a very distinct difference. >> speaking of younger voters we have to talk about social media and something that's hilarious that occurred yesterday because the president now has his very own personal as in i will be tweeting myself twitter account @potus. we have obama's very first tweet, hello, twitter, it's baa ram. really six years in they're finally giving me my own account. here's what's great. bill clinton responded to the president, who i guess is late to the game. welcome to twitter @potus. one question does that user name stay with the office? #askingforafriend. and obama of course responded, doesn't he have anything better to do? good question bill clinton, the handle comes with the house. know anyone interested in in @flotus? what would we call bill clinton? >> that was the big question does it stand for first lad of the united states? >> fogotus. >> who is they that gave him a twitter account? >> i don't know. i'm sure much to be discussed on twitter. i'd love to see these presidents tweeting with each other. i think it's a way to expand that very exclusive club wouldn't you say, alisyn? what do you think about that? >> i like flotus. i like they're tweeting. i like we can eavesdrop. but fogtus has a strange ethnic feel to it. >> or first dude. >> i like first mate. that's what i think. >> first man. >> that's all fine too. >> so many options really if it comes to that. >> i'm sure we'll be debating them. >> gloria great to see you. >> good to see you. thanks so much. passengers filing suit now against amtrak in that deadly derailment. what investigators are learning about this this morning. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? 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amtrak's run by the government. employees filing suit sometimes that has to do with money out of pocket because they may not be getting workers comp from amtrak. as you say the passengers that's going to happen eventually. now, you mentioned what hit that front windshield. some people see this as a distraction. but the investigators we're talking to say, look that chatter between this engineer and other ones that was heard they say they have multiple sources on that dialogue. what's your take? >> well, i think, you know regardless of how they come up with the evidence and certainly the investigators and i would be and i'm sure the fbi is talking to the other trains that were also believe they were hit and that there's evidence that other trains were hit by something. that's highly significant here because the engineer doesn't have the recollection. he can't fill in the gaps right now because of what happened to him in the crash. and so the fbi's going to have to find this out. and if the train was hit by a rock it's also going to be important why. was this a rock thrown by somebody? that's criminal activity. was this cement falling from a crumbling bridge? well that adds another person into the negligence. so it's very important to determine what that was or if the mark on the windshield occurred during the crash sequence. so i think it's a highly important event and could mean the difference in how the outcome of the lawsuit goes. there might be another actor involved. >> and certainly it would mean a lot to this engineer his reputation and his state of mind going forward. certainly the scrutiny is still on him as this point. and it's interesting we're also hearing from the investigators every time we're like trying to get some information about what's happening they say don't lose sight though of this overriding issue. where is the pressure and accountability on congress who ultimately oversees amtrak to make the safety upgrades that they should have had already? now, under that accountability tell us about the situation right now with who's in charge on the federal level of overseeing this. >> well you know that's an issue that goes on in so many administrations. and that is a lot of key positions are left open or they're filled by acting administrators. now, many time acting administrators are great, but here federal rail administration is headed by an acting administrator. when i was in the department of transportation i went through half a dozen secretaries and it was kind of a revolving door. in some administrations the average life of a political appointee in the position, not their longevity but their life in the position is about 18 months. so often you have these positions empty. it would make sense of course to have a permanent person in the job who was committed to rail safety but i will say that in federal rail administration the persons one level down from the open position or the acting administrator right now the caretaker position are committed individuals at least from their resume and they've been involved in rail safety for a long time. so a lot of times the career employees and the second level employees really can act quite well without a permanent position. and at this point if the president appointed somebody they would sadly be a lame duck because the place where the administration is they're close to the end. >> but here's the big problem, mary as you well know they're fighting over how much -- down in congress at the end of the day. but they don't really follow through with the how well part. so you now have a situation where you should have had this positive train control, it would have stopped this accident it would have stopped the one we just had in spiten dooifl these people would not be hurt and dead but where's the accountability? who do you go to and say you have to do better? >> that's the greatest point of all. congress is great about passing things and telling the executive branch what to do but there's very little follow-up. when i was inspector general i used to say when the lights are turned off at the end of the hearing, that's the end of congress's interest. but there are a few committed individuals, but sometimes they just can't command the attention of all of congress. but, you know as we all know congress is completely immune from their role in things and they can pontificate but often you don't see a lot of follow-up. >> that's the problem though. we're trying to get this to change. we're trying to see ptc gets put places and they don't extend this deadline forever which we keep hearing. every time you go down one of these hallways the door at the end closes. the members of congress we thought find accountable, they're blaming amtrak. amtrak saying i know you want to blame us but by the way we're better on safety than a lot of other rail operators. and you look at it and that does seem true. we're not getting anywhere mary that's the frustration. we know you'll help us keep giving us guidance on where to go because it matters too much. look at these families now. they'll never get these people back and it's something that could have been avoided. mich. all right, chris. i think you'll like this. pretty soon starbucks is going to give you a brew and a beat. spotify teaming up with the coffee giant turning baristas into deejays. how cool is that? 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>> territory. it's about the texas state bottom rocker that members wear on their vest. the causics decided to step it up and challenge the ban deedios. >> why is something like a patch so important? what does it really mean? that >> that means you are claiming that state as your state or territory. >> to do what? >> to be the top herb elan. it's to be the biggest man on the block, to say this is ours. >> if it's not about money or crime or anything like that then what is there to the ownership? >> they like war. they like participating in war and acts of violence and they want to be able to say this is our state and we stopped any other motorcycle group from come into our sort. >> what is the word how serious this is? >> anytime a biker gang war starts it never stops. you will be reporting for years about the war between these two. >> isn't it something you hear later on as opposed to playing out in plain sight, we're coming and we are going to settle this once and for all? how unusual is this? >> it's pretty unusual. there has been some shoot-outs in the last decade on the west coast, but they usually like to stay low-key and not in the public eye, so they can fool the public into thinking they are not a gang. >> what do you hear in terms of what may be next in terms of people and the police are kind of hraoeupbglike the referees as opposed to just locking everybody down? >> i think they will stand town for now, and you will see retaliation. i think they will back off now because of the media attention and law enforcement being out in high numbers and they will wait for it to die down and then do a counter attack. >> what do you make of the big numbers going there, though? if they are planning to keep it on the down low for a while, why they amass numbers in state? >> they are preparing for any other actions that could happen and they are in mass numbers so they can protect each other, especially in areas where they may have less numbers. both gangs have hundreds of members in texas, and both of them i would consider that their home state, so i think they are just massing to make sure that they can protect each other to get a game plan for the future to meet and discuss this ongoing war with each other. >> is there anything the police can do to stop something like this? you understand the dynamics of the cultures well but basically you have seen the scene play out by itself and the officers are ringing around the situation and letting it play out, and it was weird, all the locals were showing up with their own weapons to defend what was going on there, and they wound up getting arrested and it's unusual. >> if we stop giving concealed permits to gang members, i think that would have reduced the amount of guns at the restaurant and anytime a restaurant or bar or club has a biker event, they should make it so it's no colors no colors meaning they can't wear any gang affiliated clothing. >> how do you enforce that if five big dudes come on with the invest on and you expect a waiter to come and say, i'm sorry you will have to leave? how do you expect them not to get concealed weapon permits unless they are a felon? >> yeah all the gang members are known gang members, and they are in the system as gang members, so you simply would have to flag these folks in the system so when they did apply for a concealed weapons permit it came out they were a known gang member and you don't allow them to get a concealed weapons permit. >> when you talk to law enforcement, they see the gangs of getting away with the worst we have in society, and they are responsible for half of the drug trafficking in the country, and they are responsible for a large percent of the unsolved murders, and what do you think people should know? >> biker gangs are much more sophisticated and structures than your average street gang. they know what they are doing. they have bylaws and rules, and a highly sophisticated way of conducting war. they keep files on their enemies, and they do counter surveillance on their enemies and law enforcement. they are very smart. they are not what we picture as our average biker. >> charles, thank you very much and thank you for agreeing to come on even with your concerns and we will stay in touch off television so you can let us know what is going on. appreciate it. >> thank you. investigators say the amtrak train that derailed last week was not hit by gunfire but they still do not know what damaged the front of the train. and we have erin live. >> reporter: at the heart of the mystery, the 32-year-old engineer. the latest ntsb findings are that the fbi looked at the circular marking on the windshield and concluded it was not from a bullet, and bostian did not say there was ma man kul failure. we learned a conductor has filed a suit against amtrak. yesterday suits were filed by four of the passengers. the issue with the suits being there is a federal cap of $200 million that covers any suits and all victims from a single rail incident and legal experts are saying that is not enough to cover all of the damages in this tragedy, and now lawmakers are trying to challenge the cap. michaela? 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>> this is why we have elections and campaigns. i am a democrat and i don't agree with any of the republicans, but more importantly they are doing their country and party a big service. your interview with senator rand paul he is opposed to this and will use his power to filibuster the patriot act, and it's coming to a senate now, and we will have a great debate. governor kristicrist christie he says i will use it and this is politics at its best. >> let's play what rand paul said about his gop rivals and their impressions of the nsa. >> yeah they are wrong. i mean the privacy commission recently came out and originally the government said 52 people have been captured through this bulk collection of records, but when the privacy committee looks at this and the senate committee looking at this they found nobody that was actually captured by the bold collection of records. >> you have on the other side, something that alisyn pointed out, you have this pendulum swinging back between privacy and being on top of the threat ana, and what do you think is the winning position for a politician? >> well not for every politician but i think he is doing this out of conviction. this is something that has been a rift of his from day one. i almost sense envy by paul and they are stuck in an arranged marriage where their choices are vanilla and vanilla, and it's going to be an interesting debate and you are going to see chris christie on one side and lindsay graham on one side and rand paul on the other. what he is doing is smart, because that's his niche and principle and conviction, and it's a way of him distinguishing himself from the rest of the pack, and when you have a pack that is going to be 14 15 to start with him carving out a niche is a smart political strategy. >> and he is more of a peach melba guy, and that's important to note. >> peach was my stage name. >> what kind of stage we won't discuss. the important thing to extend the eating metaphor this rand paul is eating your lunch a little bit when it comes to security because the left is known to be on the privacy side of this issue, so what is the move? >> i think that's what makes it interesting. as a substantive matter you are right, the right and the left meet up in criticizing the bulk direction of data and concerns the government is spying on the calls we make, and the challenge for senator paul will be for to take that and use it to expanded the electorate. if he just uses that, let's see if we can get leftist to come over and vote in the republican primary, and i don't think it will work but it's the kind of ideas we should be talking about. >> ana, let's talk about how rand paul says there are misconceptions, and people think he is against things. >> i am all for going after terrorists and the nsa looking at records, and this is about individuals, and a name has to be on a warrant. >> he doesn't want it to be as big of a wide net casts, and he wants names on warrants and then he is all for it. >> the problem is he has been labeled an icenationalists. isis has changed the perception of foreign policy certainly in the republican party and we have seen a return of the hawks and a more vigorous policy, and he has found himself as odd man out that he needs to change that perception perception and he needs to do what his dad did, bring in a lot of young people and people that traditionally would not have brought in a republican primary, and he needs to continue growing that piece of the pie. >> and specifically if those young people have to fight. >> i have to stop making food references i am into al amode, can you tell i am hungry? >> yeah and it's breakfast time. go get breakfast. at the height of tensions between police and communities, nypd officer lu gave his knife, and his wife speaks out about how she is coping with her loss. ing room. this isn't the most efficient way for people -or air to travel. awww! ducts produce uneven temperatures and energy loss. mitsubishi electric systems offer a better way with no new ductwork.... and lower energy bills. so everyone gets exactly what they want! mitsubishi electric cooling and heating. make comfort personal. making a fist something we do to show resolve. to defend ourselves. to declare victory. so cvs health provides expert support and vital medicines. at our infusion centers or in patients homes. we help them fight the good fight. cvs health, because health is everything. after brushing listerine® total care strengthens teeth, helps prevent cavities and restores tooth enamel. it's an easy way to give listerine® total care to the total family. listerine® total care. one bottle, six benefits. power to your mouth™. these are tough times for the police and for the people who love them. last year in america, 3,100 cops died in the line of duty and the nypd's wenjian liu was one of them, and his widow is speaking out for the first time since his death along with the chairman and ceo of the steven sillier tunnel foundation. very important work. i want to remind you of what took place in new york that involved this officer and his partner. five days before christmas, 2014 two police officers liu and romo ambushed. authorities say they never even had a chance to draw their weapons. the gunman said to be mentally ill claims on social media the shootings would be revenge for the deaths of michael gardener and brown. the details surrounding their deaths adding to the tension around the nation between police and disadvantaged communities. in a final salute to fallen officer liu, thousands of officers lined the streets in solidarity. >> this is a difficult time for both of our families. but we will stand together and get through this together. >> we are already talking, as you see, and she is with frank, and his foundation started after the 911/11 terror attacks to honor the families, and when you first heard about tunnel for towers you couldn't believe they existed. what do they do for families like yours? >> they come to house and they say we are here for you and we are family and we will go through this together, and it's great, an amazing foundation. they are there, and i just want to thank everyone who contributes to this foundation. they put everybody together unite everybody together. >> puts everything together you need and people forget and you hear about the story and you say, oh, that's terrible and then the families are often left to fend for themselves. >> after 9/11 people came together and we saw the difference that we can make as a foundation in other peoples' lives. we started building homes for the catastrophically injured service members coming home from the war, because they gave so much for the country and when they come back without some limbs, we feel it's our responsibility to build these homes, and we knew it was the right thing to do to bring people together for ramos and liu, and we have some leftover to remodel the house, which we are doing right now. you are right, when the dust settles, everybody goes home and these families are left and they are grieving and they get on with life without their loved ones and we want to make sure we are going to be there for them long afterwards and every time you bring it up like today, it's important we never for get. >> yeah i know it's hard for you to watch because you lost somebody and really what is being caught up in the ange an-- anger in the country, and it's still like you, you still have your ring on and i know you think of your husband every day. how are you doing? >> it is hard. it is not easy to go through this but i got all the support from all over the country, and the police department and everybody. >> you still wear his shield around his neck? >> yes, he is in my heart. i will wear it everyday. >> how much did your husband love being a top? we know he got awards for never being late never being sick and what drove his love of being a police officer? >> after 9/11 in 2001 he said i am going to be there and save lives and i am not afraid of dangers, and i am going to be there -- i want to be there to protect the people and they need help. >> after 9/11 interesting, and obviously with the foundation that's what drove him to be a police officer. how did he enjoy the job? >> he -- raurhe -- sorry. >> no no you are doing great. >> he was proud of himself to be a cop, i am here to help people and this is what i do and i am proud of myself. our family is extremely proud of what he did as a u.s. police. >> when you lost your husband, you learned you were part of a family that maybe you did not know you had before. cops are very close, but in a time of need what do you know now about the people you have that believe are family? >> they are amazing people. i didn't know them we didn't have such a close relationship with each other, and they really help us go through this and without them i don't know how i am going to make it but they are here to offer me. >> you see what is happening in the news and you see the conflict between people especially in poor communities and what they think about the police, and what do you want people to know about why you think people do the job as a police officer? >> the police officer, they are protecters, and they are on the street to protect you. when you see emergency or anything just happen to you, the first thing is a police officer, because they are lifesavers and they are there to help you, so we should trust in law enforcement and respect them. >> did your husband talk to you about what it was like on the job, or did he keep that away from you? >> usually he keep that away because he doesn't want me to worry. he spoke about the good stuff about police officer. >> is there a little bit of you that still can't believe that he is gone? >> no it's like a nightmare. >> just a nightmare? >> a nightmare. >> but you are staying strong. i know this was hard for you to come here but i know the message matters, and frank, i know it's important for you to expand what is going on with the foundation because we do lose officers and they are in harm's way, and a lot of them have emotional problems with the job and the families pay the prices so what is the future need? >> the foundation will be there when situations like this arise, and the officers go out and protect us and america should stand up and take notice of what we do and we have the lives we have because of the police officers and firefighters and military that go out there and when something bad happens to them we have to come together as a nation, and a sick person did this but america is great, and they will always come to the aid of these families and that's what we have to remember. >> we have information about the site about the foundation on our site. you show incredible strength. i don't know i could do it. thank you for getting the message out there that you are fighting the fight and a lot of other families are in the same position as you. we appreciate it. we will take a quick break. stay with us. then you haven't see n this commercial. book now and save during the memorial day sale at hotels.com. new flonase allergy relief nasal spray. 24 hour relief that outperforms a leading allergy pill. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance flonase controls six. seize the day and the night. new flonase. 6 is greater than 1. this changes everything. it's one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn't even fly. we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrow's innovators. we build it raising roofs, preserving habitats and serving america's veterans. every day, thousands of boeing volunteers help make their communities the best they can be. building something better for all of us. here we go. the five things for your new day. police on high alert in texas amid word two biker gangs may be ready to target each other again following the big shoot-out in waco. federal investigators ruled out the possibility that gunfire played a role in the amtrak derailment but do not know what damaged the front of the train. some militiamen trying to retack ramadi but isis over took it over the weekend. and then a fire at a washington, d.c. mansion, and the killer may have had ties with the family. the state department won't be ready until january to release tens of thousands of e-mail from clinton's time as secretary of state. it's time for impact your world. at age 11 he was a drug dealer and now he is a city official that is giving others something he never had, a role model. nothing makes shawn blanchard smile more. >> i didn't have a lot of professionals around and my brother was considered one of the detroit's notorious drug lords, and he showed me how to cut crack and how to sale, and when you don't have parents around you take whatever you can get. >> it was when tragedy hit home he knew he had to change. >> one of my brothers died in a drug transaction, and another brother was shot and went to prison, and i had to make a choice. >> he graduated from the university of michigan and became a respected high school math teacher, and now works as detroit's director of youth services. >> when people see me today, they think i am preupl and proper, and never endured anything in life, and never judge a book by its cover. >> a message he hopes to share as a mentor. >> our relationship means everything. he helped me build my future. >> wow, what a great story. terrific. meanwhile, he has been making us laugh as decades as host of a late show but on wednesday, david letterman will sign off. we will look at the highlights next. wow. sweet new subaru, huh mitch? 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