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Then we got more violence. But this time in denver. People took to the streets in downtown. You can see them there with police in tow. Here about 11 arrests. Some of those charges including resisting arrest and assault on Police Officers. Now, weve got to say as the cities on this map grows, we know one thing. And thats that a lot of these protests are organized on social media and thousands upon thousands of people are showing up for these protests chris. All right, rosa. We see its coming up a lot of the issues are the same but the outcome is different everywhere. Here in baltimore thousands of police and National Guard added to the mix. And we have just as many outraged citizens. The tension between the two would come down to when the clock struck 10 00. And heres what happened. Go home. Curfew once again the moment of truth in baltimore. You now have about 300 people here who arent sure whether they want to leave or not. Thousands of National Guard added to the mix. Police assembling equipment and forming the line. We just had armored show up you have the police here in bigger numbers. Color sparking violence but on this night it was about gang colors as bloods and crips went at it. The police never moved. The community handles its business stepping up squashing the rogue gang bangers and enforcing the curfew. As we approach 10 00 its moving in the right direction. The key, leadership. Concerned citizens and all importantly elected leaders on the ground. We shall overcome reporter baltimore representative Elijah Cummings and state senator pugh voices of reason people responding flanked by media they move from group to group until theyre only left with reporters and calm streets. We are very very proud of our folks. And were proud of our city. Reporter no small irony. Night turns out better than day in baltimore as massive crowds swarm city hall and penn station. The majority of protests peaceful a handful still determined to harm police hurling rocks. I have a number of officers that have well they probably have broken hands or other bumps and bruises. Hes signing fake autographs for fake fans. The biggest reminder of disruption in baltimore seen on the field, not the streets. For the first time in history the Baltimore Orioles played to an empty camden yards. Mlb officials too afraid of possible violence inside their stadium. My prayers have been out for all the families. All the kids out there, you know theyre hurting. But what exactly happened to 25yearold freddie gray . That remains a mystery. According to a newlyreleased investigative document obtained by the Washington Post, a prisoner who rode in the police van with gray who was separated by a metal partition and could not see him, told investigators he believes he was, quote, intentionally trying to injure himself. Nobodys standing up for the officers, any of them. Cutting against this report, a Family Member of one of the six officers under investigation. They wish to remain unidentified but say gray wasnt man handled on the road and the van ride was not rough. There were two people in the back. If he was rolling around in the back then the other person that was back there would have been rolling around in the back also. And they werent. And they say a lot more than that in that interview to Anderson Cooper. So lets test it right now. Theres no question this the Washington Post report is the new piece in the puzzle saying again, this prisoner who rode in the same police van with freddie gray not next to him he was separated by a wall. But he tells investigators he thinks gray was intentionally trying to injure himself. Lets test it. Cnn reporter evan testing the developments. How strong or how big or how important is a piece of the puzzle of this . Well this adds to the doubt that some people already have as to whether or not these officers were at fault. So this is part of the big question that Police Investigators are going to be facing. Prosecutors in the state Attorneys Office are going to be facing. Were talking about a sixblock ride. Thats the time between the second prisoners put in the van and the time he arrives at the police station. This all begins at 8 42. The wagon is requested. At 8 46 the van driver says that gray is being combative, hes being irate. They put him in leg irons. And then shortly thereafter the second prisoner gets in here. All right. If any of it is true the biggest question it raises is how hurt could freddie gray have been when he was put in the van if he was able to move so much and be so violent with himself in the van . Right. And the question is you know whether he was moving around thrashing around as the police have said because he was hurt because he was seeking attention, he was seeking medical attention. Or as this prisoner seems to be saying in this document according to the police that he was intentionally trying to hurt himself. I dont know how he could how could he know . Hes sitting on the other side of a metal thing. So has to go to what he was able to hear. Exactly. And cutting against that is what coop got with this Family Member. She says tell them what she says in terms of what the officer that she knows thought about what happened to him before they got in that van. She doesnt seem to know how these injuries might have happened. There have been speculation that he had previous preexisting injury. Anthony batts, the Police Commissioner spoke on Television Just last week and he had a different explanation of what exactly was happening in the van. Heres what he had to say. The second prisoner that was picked up is that he didnt see any harm done to freddie at all. What he has said is that he heard freddie thrashing about. The driver didnt drive erratically. Says he said. And, chris, you know thats the big question here. The police arent saying that anything actually happened in the van. They dont seem to know. And thats the big open question even after all this new reporting. Right. I mean look your reporting is always spoton. The confusion is here is how can they not know what happened when they control the universe of possibility with their own officers. And thats teeing up all this expectation about tomorrow. And as you know evan, youve been hearing the same things here. People have been holding the line of calm and expectation of satisfaction. Tomorrow whats the chance they get it tomorrow . There is very little chance theyre going to get any satisfaction from this. We dont expect there will be any charges announced. And thats what people want. All right. Youre going to keep reporting. So will i. Lets keep discussing this. There are so many questions about what happened in the van. You have a friend of one of the Baltimore Police officers who spoke to cnn as were telling you about what may have happened to freddie gray. Judge for yourself. Heres what that friend had to say. There were two people in the back. If he was rolling around in the back then the other person that was back there would have been rolling around in the back also. And they werent. The other person is already given a statement that they werent rolling around. They werent, you know they werent manhandled as far as on the road. It wasnt a rough ride or anything like that. All right. All these pieces matter. Thats why i was working with evan perez. He was so wired at the police he heard its about vetting. The third cnn Law Enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. Thank you for being here as always. Lets deal with these pieces and see how they fit to us. How do you feel about this report from the Washington Post about a guy in the van but was separated by a metal panel. And it matters. It means he could not see through, but he says the guy was thrashing around. I think he hurt himself. Strong . No thats not strong at all. We dont know how that statement was taken from that person. I think we should really be looking at did the officers hear that statement from him, or did they pull that statement out of him . If he heard something on the other side of the wall how can he know if he was thrashing himself against the wall or maybe there was just some noise that was happening on the other side. Taking it at its best tom, at its best if hes thrashing around if he needs leg irons, how hurt could he have been when he got in the van . Reasonable cause for speculation . I think thats reasonable chris. How can you thrash around if youre close to having a severed spine at the neck and a crushed windpipe. How could you be yelling or making other noises as was reported was the reason for pulling over to put leg shackles on him in the first place. So that raises that question. But i agree. We dont know yet. We dont know how that statement was taken. Its kind of additional hearsay being put out there at this point. But step by step whats the pushback to the, well he must have been okay if he could do that in the van in any way . Whats the pushback . Well it goes back to did that person really say that. Looking at how that statement was taken. We know they put the leg shackles on him. We know here in Baltimore City the way they take statements from a lot of defendants its not just letting them talk. They push that defendant in a room by themselves and they ask them questions to get a specific type of result. And then we have the conversation that Anderson Cooper had with this Family Member of one of the officers involved in the situation who says that this officer does not believe that what happened to freddie gray happened in the van. That they thought he was hurt before. Now, if that stands up to scrutiny because i know its a lot of layers removed, how strong is that a piece of evidence from one of the officers involved tom . Well it would be strong. But it would be stronger yet to hear it from the officer what exactly is the basis for thinking hes hurt how hurt do they think he is when did the injury happen who was holding him or responsible for inflicting those injuries. Did he trip on the street when he was running . We dont know those things. Now, the main speculation you guys pushback on me if chris cuomo does this and he hires grandville you know to represent him, i feel like tom fuentes on the part of Law Enforcements got plenty of answers by now. Tom, plenty of answers. If you control the universe of possibility because theyre all your officers involved and theyre talking about me wed have answers. We dont have them here. How do you explain it . The officers have a long time before they have to give any type of statement. They gave statements on the 12th. Yes, this bill of rights that you have in maryland gives them ten days to get council. But they gave statements on the 12th five of the six guys. So that means the cops have those statements. But you got to understand the statements that the officers get are different than a defendant statement that you get. They get to sit down they get to talk to their attorneys, they get to get their story together and tell their side of the story. They werent asked questions by officers like other defendants that are that have homicide cases. And they dont like to them and those officers when someones charged with a homicide or murder. The officers tell them lies. They say whatever they need to get what they need out of that person. The officers get to do it in a different way. So the answers they get to do it in a different way than they do it to themselves. In the bill of rights it says you can only interrogate an officer oneonone and its got to be someone they know. Which would be a nice thing for perps. Its going to be a vanilla statement. Its going to be a statement that just says unsatisfying truth. We dont know how those statements were taken. Were these officers separated . You have five different statements taken in five different rooms lets say, its difficult to coordinate the same story and tell it identically. Its not like you have a panel sitting there, gentlemen, what happened out there. Its going to be done individually. Its going to be very difficult. True. The only reason im pushing to test this aggressively as i am is theres something inherently troubling about the Police Investigating themselves. Thats why you have all these investigations going on. The big concern is tomorrow. I think a lot of the peace in the city right now is people think there will be satisfaction. Tomorrow is the police giving a preliminary set of findings to the prosecutor whos doing her own investigation. Does any of that suggest to you charges tomorrow word of no charges and why tomorrow . Is there any chance of that kind of closure . Thats not going to happen at all. Our states attorney is going to have to do her own investigation. We have cases like this all the time in baltimore. Thats why this is bubbled and has burst. This happens all the time in baltimore. Our case last year george king he was killed by tasers by the Police Officers in may. Everything was given over to the states attorney. We didnt get any type of answers until october the end of october. Thats over five months later. In this case hopefully it will come sooner. Its a different states attorney, its a case gotten world attention. Hopefully maryland will have the information to make the decision faster. But they didnt make the decision until they had all the medical examiners report all the medical bills for george king they waited until they had a stack of information. Even in that case they didnt indict. They sat me down in a room showed me three stacks of papers and said we dont think the officers did this. Well every case is its own, but we want the process to be followed as fully as possible. Grandville thank you for perspective. Tom, as always helping us understand how it should work at its best. Were going to have much more from baltimore here. Theres a lot going on. But we should go back to new york. Theres a lot going on there thats related to this and other news as well mic. Were looking at some International News right now, chris, thank you. The death toll in the nepal quake has now surpassed 5,500 victims. Incredibly though people are still being found alive several days after the 7. 8 magnitude quake rocked that country. Incredibly some of those victims beating the odds trapped under that heavy rubble. Cnns sumina. Reporter michaela five days on. Incredible stories of survival are emerging. We were at the rescue scene where 18yearold had been buried under a ninestory hotel building. He was all the way down in the basement crouched underneath a motorcycle. And thats what protected him. A massive slab of cement over the motorcycle and a tiny hole a crevice smaller than a coffin. And thats where hed been for the past five days. The Nepali Police had been digging around all morning, they heard a noise and started frantically digging through the rubble. And the usaid got involved as well. As he was pulled out police say he was in state of shock but hes in Good Condition and has been sent to a hospital not too far from there. An 11yearold girl was also pulled out of the rubble after 90 hours. She too appears to be in Good Condition. Back to you, alisyn. Thank you for that report. Well lethal injection procedures sparking a heated debate at the supreme court. The issue stems from a botched execution in oklahoma where a suspect was writhing in pain for 45 minutes after getting the first part of a threedrug cocktail. Conserveative justices express concern that efforts to obtain more effective drugs are being slowed by opponents of the death penalty. Five years before he crashed a german wings plane into the french alps the faa had questioned whether copilot Andreas Lubitz was mentally fit to fly. He was awarded a u. S. Pilots license only after his german doctor said he was fully recovered from severe depression depression. Theres also evidence he marked no in response to a question about whether hed ever been treated for a mental disorder. Well Bernie Sanders plans to give Hillary Clinton some competition. The vermont senator jumping into the 2013 president ial race. Hell outline his plans for winning a president ial nomination this afternoon. Sanders is an independent but caucus ss with democrats in the senate. Stay with us here at cnn for continuing coverage of the unrest in baltimore and around the nation. But ahead, are the protests shedding a necessary light on the inequalities of being black in america . Were going to discuss that next. Why do we do it . Why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people . Why are we so committed to keeping you connected . Why combine performance with a conscience . Why innovate for a future without accidents . Why do any of it . Why do all of it . Because if it matters to you its everything to us. The xc60 crossover. From volvo. Lease the well equiped volvo xc60 today. Visit your local volvo showroom for details. Keeping a billion customers a year flying means keeping seven billion transactions flowing. 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Lets talk about these with the president and ceo of the National Urban league and former mayor of new orleans. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you for having me. So you think the protest and unrest is not the real story. The real story here are the underlying conditions that have led to this. Go ahead. Tell me. Yeah i think the underlying conditions are something that have to be part of what we talk about and what we act on because in postrecession america and as the recoveries brought jobs to the american mainstream inner cities are being left behind. The joblessness levels are far too high. Particularly among young men and young men of color. And these issues combine with friction and Police Misconduct are a dangerous mix for americas urban communities. And its in baltimore, but this is a challenge of the nation. We have a graphic to illustrate what youre talking about. Let me show you some of the statistics in baltimore. The poverty rate in baltimore is 24 . The Unemployment Rate for black men in baltimore between the ages of 20 and 24 is 37 . Now, compare that to the National Average which is the Unemployment Rate is 5. 5 right now. Residents with a College Degree only a quarter of that city 27 , has a College Degree. So where do you even begin to tackle those issue sns. I mean you have to begin to tackle those issues by one, raising an awareness that the problems that exist in baltimore exist in most major american cities. Its not isolated to baltimore. Its in parts of new york and los angeles and cleveland and atlanta. We found that in 33 of the top 70 cities in america the black Unemployment Rate exceeded 15 . These are basically a window into what is occurring in americas urban communities. So when the banks teetered and totterred, we had the tarp. We had a massive if the banks fell it would affect all of america. Right. In this instance i would say given the protests and the numbers that we need a coordinated, wide ranging, big response to the underlying issues. And what does that look like . Lets face it in the past decade or so the federal government has not had a great track record of creating jobs. So how do you suggest the government solve those problems . Its the government and the private sector together. Its the states and the cities and the feds together. We shouldnt say its but no one can stand on the side and say, well the mayors should just figure it out, or the governor should just figure it out, or the president has to figure it out by itself. We need a coordinated response to create jobs. Roosevelt did it in the 30s. Nixon and carter had a coordinated response to the recession of the 1970s. What weve got to realize is that the recession still remains in inner city america. And i appeal to people to understand that this challenge given where we are as a nation potentially effects the overall economy and the Overall Health of everyone. Just because it isnt at your doorstep doesnt mean that these challenges of poverty and joblessness do not effect you. When you were the mayor of new orleans you had a great track record. The crime rate there dropped precipitously. Now, demographics worked in your favor because there was an economic boom during that time. We had the 90s expansion, but we had a broad coordinated effort. We had to attack crime, but we also had massive investments in Youth Programs afterschool programs massive investments in jobs. The money came from the feds it came from the city budget. It came with support from the Business Community that i jawboned that it was in their interest to do it. It required a forceful coordinated response. I hope the mayors of america will rally around stephanie rawlingsblake but the mayors of america collectively will speak to these problems to simply pretend they dont exist or not talk about them openly is what produces an environment where people are angry. Congressman cummings is right. Theres a sense out there that politicians, that people in influence and power dont care about these problems. And weve got to elevate it and say even if it isnt in your neighborhood, it effects you. Marc morial thanks for coming into new day. Wed love to get your take on these issues. What do you think is at the root of all the unrest . Please tweet us. You can find me on twitter or you can also use the hash tag newday cnn. Back to baltimore and chris. Really helpful to hear that conversation alisyn. As youre saying there are other communities across the country that have experienced Police Shootings involving young black men, but not every city has reacted the way baltimore has. 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In new york more than 100 arrested in violent clashes with police. And now we have this explosive report in the Washington Post saying another inmate who was in the police van with freddie gray though separated by a partition, says that he thinks gray was trying to injure himself. Now, the motto of all lives matter and specifically black lives mattering after cases like this has become a rallying cry in our country. Here in baltimore of course it is freddie gray. In South Carolina it was walter scott. Caught on somebodys cell phone video sparking outrage. The violent protests here like what we saw in baltimore, you didnt see them there though. Were going to talk about that. Thats one of the big issues that were going to get to this morning within a whole host of news. Let me get you back to new york because theres a lot going on involving this in new york and across the country. And big news for you as well. So back to you there. Okay chris. Well get back to you very shortly. 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Nasa says the crew can get by until the next resupply mission in june. Lets get back to baltimore and chris cuomo. Thank you very much. Its a little bit of a look at whats going on in the world around you as you start your new day. But back here in baltimore we want to bring in joe madison. Hes the host of the joe madison show on sirius xm. In fact, hes live on the air right now. So weve agreed to simulcast this interview and get as big an audience as we can. Its good to have you on my screen. Its good to be heard on your show. Lets talk about baltimore. We saw what happened in South Carolina. You did a town hall there where you dealt with people and what happened with walter scott. And while this issue about policing and how communities feel about it especially impoverished ones spreads across the country. But we havent seen it play out like it has here in baltimore. Why baltimore . What makes this place different . [ technical difficulties ] joe . All right. Wre going and try to figure out this sirius xm cnn thing. Joe has unique insight into it. Lets take a break to figure it out. When we come back were also talking about Hillary Clinton because shes weighing in on the violence in baltimore as well. Back to new york. Were actually going to talk about all the 2016 president ial candidates. We know Hillary Clinton has made some statements yesterday calling for changes in the tactics of police in regards to the africanamerican community. Take a look at the other hopefuls and some that have declared some that have not and how they stand in their view and what theyve made comments on about baltimore coming up. mom when our little girl was born we got a subaru. Its where she said her first word. little girl no saw her first day of school. little girl bye bye made a best friend forever. The back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. What . announcer the 2015 Subaru Forester girl what . announcer built to be there for your family. Love. 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Businesses have closed down or closed early because of the curfew. Think bars and restaurants. And several Major Conferences have been canceled. A couple conventions canceled. A conference of medical workers. That means low wage workers who would have been working around the Hospitality Industry will not be paid. And that can be devastating for them. Yesterday the president stressed how much the recent destruction is hurting the economy. On a radio show this is what he said. He said quote, whoever was working at that cvs right now are wondering if theyre going to get a paycheck. The family needed their prescription filled are now wondering how far they have to dry and get a prescription for grandma. There has been disruption yes, but longer term economists dont expect a big hit to the economy because of any of this. Thats good to hear. We certainly hope baltimore can recover as well because thats a place that needs that kind of recovery most desperately. All right, christine. To nepal now where the death toll is expected to surpass 5,500 victims. Among the devastation though Shocking Stories of survival. An 18yearold pulled from the rubble of a collapsed building. He had been there for five days. Oh my gosh. And listen to this our own chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta helped revive a young mother who nearly died in nepal this morning. He was along on a chopper ridealong. She was in the chopper where she had been rescued. She was in cardiac arrest and he was able to help shock her heart and regained her pulse. But before that incredible moment happened sanjay filed this report for us. Reporter we know the official death toll here in nepal went up by at least one today. Neighbors watched from nearby windows, still clinging to hope. After all, this 4monthold baby was rescued after more than 22 hours under the rubble alive with no apparent injuries. This man was buried for roughly 80 hours. Rescue workers administered oxygen and iv drip while they spend ten hours digging him out. There is hope. Everywhere you look. And there are reminders of the people who once lived and breathed in this tiny village. Just looking around this small little town outside katmandu you get an idea of the type of people that lived here. The pride that they took in all things around them. This fivestory temple built in the 17th century stayed standing when so many of the surrounding buildings tumbled to the ground. Last saturday at 11 56 a. M. A woman shouted out from her second story window to alert everyone else to the initial tremor. But then she didnt make it out herself. She died trying to save others. Theyve already been able to identify the person this woman. Shes 45 years old. They showed us this id card. She has two boys. They were able to survive. And now we know she has perished in this as well. It is such incredibly incredibly grim work. Can you tell me what kind of person she was . How would you describe her . She was a very good person he told me. She was a mother. And she was my friend. It is clear she wont soon be forgotten. Because the reminders are everywhere growing stronger like the flowers among the rubble. Dr. Sanjay gupta, cnn, katmandu nepal. Some incredible stories that sanjays bringing us. Oh my gosh. I want to tell you a bit more about what happened when he was on that chopper ride. He was doing a chopper tour with his producer. They were seeing the devastation from the air. Apparently a woman that had been rescued went into cardiac arrest san yas training kicked in and he started thumping on her chest. Her pulse came back as we mentioned. They got her to the hospital in time and her life was saved. Remember when he first got there hed been there only hours when he did that surgery on the young woman. That 8yearold girl who had been injured by the earthquake and sanjay performed brain surgery on her. Along with other doctors. Thereby saving her life. Its so funny, michaela were so used to sanjay being on television. Hes our friend. Hes our sanjay hes great on television. You forget hes a practicing working neurosurgeon. And that comes first, before the story telling, that is what comes first for him always. Well have more on that story for you tomorrow. Meanwhile, the east coast could be getting soggy. Lets get to meteorologist chad myers keeping track of the latest forecast for us. What are you seeing chad . Hey, april showers, michaela. Okay. Summers on its way. My son is ready to get out of school already. Got to settle down. A couple more months to go. At least a month to go. Scattered rain showers richmond down to charlottesville, even down across parts of atlanta yesterday. But that rain has moved away. It will move out into the ocean for the weekend. And nice beautiful week next week. I mean this really starts to ramp up. Look at these temperatures from chicago into indianapolis into st. Louis all the way into the 70s. In new york city d. C. 79 and 75. Very very pleasant there. Atlanta all the way almost up to 80 degrees. And heres what next week looks like. Welcome to summer all in one big fell swoop. Above average in the east for a change. This did not look like this all winter long. Its about time. Michaela this is for you. This is for me. Ladies. And i got you nothing. It even looks like a heart. He drew sort of a heart on the map. I heart you chad myers. All right, love you guys. Lets get to chris in baltimore on the streets of baltimore telling us what the situation was there last night and today. Chris. Look, the good news alisyn michaela is that the curfew held and it was a relative night of calm in baltimore. That doesnt mean that the situation is over. It means that when there are leaders on the ground it goes better. However, the leaders here, special the electeds theyre under scrutiny. 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How is the racial unrest going to factor into the 2016 election . With us Patrick Healy and niamalika henderson. Why dont we start with hillary, patrick. And well get your take on her speech. Did it resonate . It sounds as though it fits into her Broader Campaign theme of tackling inequality. Thats exactly right. I mean i think it was a really powerful speech because she was able to bring a lot of the feelings that are going on about whats happening in baltimore, whats happened in ferguson and South Carolina into kind of a broader theme that you cant simply lock up men and women, you cant simply you know push through kind of the mass incarceration policies that americas had for the last 20 years. Policies interestingly came from her husband. Right, exactly. I think instead of talking about being hard on crime, between talking about putting more police on the streets, this is talk from her about really kind of addressing core issues about wages, about jobs about whats going on in communities where there is violence. Not simply just saying well you know the solution is build more prisons and put more people in them. Right. Lets move onto rand paul. And, nia, lets listen to what he had to say. Im glad the train didnt stop. Its something we talk about not in the immediate aftermath but over time you know the breakdown of the family structure, the lack of fathers, the lack of sort of a moral code in our society. This isnt just a racial thing. You know its interesting, nia, he seems to be a bit in sync actually with Hillary Clinton on the lack of fathers, the criticism of sentencing december disparities. Hes getting a whole lot of heat about that train comment though. He is. I talked with advisers about this. And he very much understands at this point that its probably something he shouldnt have said. He told his advisers that he really meant to say that now wasnt the time to talk about it and go to baltimore and talk about his fivepoint plan around criminal justice. And as you said he does have some things in common with Hillary Clinton. Hillary clinton in fact namechecked him in her criminal justice speech. And so they want many of the same thing, body cameras, more data collection. So we do have this moment i think, where there is some sort of bipartisan agreement about what should be done. Lets move onto jeb bush. Patrick, well tee him up. Seem to be planting a foot in both worlds walking the line. There has to be a commitment to the rule of law and Law Enforcement. At the same time there needs to be balance with the fact that if there is this case it ought to be investigated. Think hes going to have to take more definitive stand during the gop primary . Yeah. I think hes sort of walking up to some harder positions. Hes been talking about lowcost alternatives to mandatory jail sentences, talking about the sort of supporting Law Enforcement but treating this as sort of like a case by case basis. Feels at this point a little bit loose for jeb bush. But hes been giving a lot of policy speeches. This is an area like hes still feeling out the temperature of the nation if you will. Nia, your turn with ted cruz he seems to be taking more of an aggressive stance. Listen to what he had to say. He could have been a unifying figure. He could have chosen to be a leader on Race Relations and bring us together. And he hasnt done that. Hes made decisions that i think have inflamed racial tensions. Not surprising nia, to see him critical of the president. Talk about ted cruz and what your take is on what he had to say, but also is there anything that the president can do and hit the right tone in terms of race in this country . He seems not to be able to please his critics or his supporters on this. Supporters want him to do more to say more to use the bully pulpit around Race Relations in the way hes used it around gay rights. His critics are very much like ted cruz. You heard this in 2012 from somebody like marco rubio who also said this was the most di divisive president in american history. I think ted cruz is very much going for a very specific audience conservatives, folks in iowa folks in South Carolina who dont much like the president , dont much like to talk about race and dont much like to talk about Police Brutality or any of those social justice issues that really are going to be the bread and butter i think, of Hillary Clintons campaign. All right. The last two we have are two men that have very strong ties to baltimore and to maryland. Former Maryland Governor Martin Omalley who is also the Baltimore Mayor and of course ben carson. Patrick, let you start with ben carson. Wait press the button. Listen to him. Ive never had an unpleasant encounter. That doesnt mean that there arent bad apples. Of course there are bad apples. There are bad apples in every profession. Even in the news media. It doesnt mean you go out and try to take out all the people in that profession. Thats silliness. Interesting because he has the distinction of being the only africanamerican candidate thus far. Do you think hes going to fall into some of those same traps the president fell into . I dont think hes that comfortable yet at least talking about being, you know a reconciliation candidate, being a candidate who is going to think out of the box. I mean talking about sort of bad apples even in the news media feels like hes grasping for things. It would have been really interesting given his history in baltimore, given that hes an africanamerican man to hear him Say Something powerful or original. But i feel like you see a lot of people just wanting to sort of beat up on president obama, forget that he inherited a terrible economy. That he was sort of grappling with a lot of Different Things for six years that somehow he was supposed to be the guy to sort of solve all these problems. Well a lot of people are looking to him as a resident of baltimore for some 30 years with staff at johns hopkins. Some really interesting insight. Exactly. Last but not least, Martin Omalley interesting, nia, we know he traveled recently to a neighborhood he once oversaw. Mixed reaction. In fact some of the people are blaming him for the very policies that baltimore is struggling with. There are people saying get out of here. People have been very nice to me. Its actually you got to be present in the middle of the pain man. Everyones needed right now in our city. Everybody needs to step up. Does the unrest in this city in this area that he once was such a pivotal part of nia, does it undermine his already untenable nomination or yet to be announced president ial campaign . I think they were making the bet here that he could have a moment right . Hes been looking for an opening in this campaign. And in a room next to Hillary Clinton or to the left of Hillary Clinton. And here hes going to run up against the fact that during his administration a zero tolerance was the policy in terms of how they interacted with folks on the streets there, africanamericans, africanamerican young men, i thought he had a nice line there when he said you have to be present in the pain there. But i think he has brought some scrutiny to his own record there that might be problematic going forward. Niamalik henderson, Patrick Healy, always great to have you with us here. We are following a lot of news again this morning. So lets get right to it. For the second night a citywide curfew. We shall overcome were going to demand justice for freddie gray. Theres anger spilling across the country. Were not out of the woods yet. You got to be present in the middle of the pain. Those were thuggish acts. Thugs is the 21st century word for the nword. What exactly happened to freddie gray . That remains a mystery. He didnt see any harm done to freddie at all. What he has said is that he heard freddie thrashing about. Welcome to new day. We have new information here in baltimore. And there is breaking news where alisyn and michaela are. Because in new york we saw protests against bad policing in cases like the one here in baltimore. Theres no question there was tension in the streets overnight to show you, but the news matters more to the investigation. The Washington Post has a Police Document suggesting freddie gray might have been trying to injure himself in the police van, this according to another prisoner being transported with gray. Now, this is going to add more fuel to the fire for answers. People believe theyre going to get them tomorrow but we will explain why that is unlikely alisyn. Okay chris. And so while we know youve been reporting that it was quiet in baltimore last night, other cities grew ruckus. More than 100 arrests were made in new york city with big demonstrations also in denver washington, d. C. And boston. So our coverage begins with cnns rosa flores. Tell us what we saw in other cities rosa. Alisyn good morning. Emotions are very high with protests erupting across the country. From minneapolis to houston to boston the message is all for one from these demonstrators. That is Police Brutality is a national issue. One of the most intense protests happened right here in new york city. Check this out. About 100 people were arrested. Now, the night started off very peacefully but it escalated with the small scuffle with police. 20 people ended up in zip ties. Then they started marching towards times square. Police followed in tow telling people not to be off the sidewalk. Those who didnt obey the rules ended up in handcuffs. We move onto washington, d. C. Where the protests were more friendly than confrontational. There were about 500 strong once they moved to the white house those crowds disbursed. And then more violence in denver colorado. You see people here walking down the streets of downtown. Well guess what . About 11 people were arrested here. And there is one common theme here guys and that is that all of these protests usually start in social media. When i was talking to them or was that just all right, rosa thank you very much. Now, theres no question that while there are protests going on in other cities and theyre about the same kind of thing, overnight there was still tension in baltimore. It was all about when the clock struck 10 00. Heres what happened. Curfew once again the moment of truth in baltimore. You now have about 300 people here who arent sure whether they want to leave or not. Thousands of National Guard added to the mix. Police assembling equipment and forming the line. We just had armored show up. You have the police here in bigger numbers. Color sparking violence but on this night it was about gang colors as crips and bloods went at it. The police never move. The community handles its business stepping up squashing the rogue gang bangers and enforcing the curfew. As we approach 10 00 its moving in the right direction. The key, leadership. Concerned citizens and all importantly elected leaders on the ground. We shall overcome baltimore representative Elijah Cummings and state senator pugh voices of reason. People responding flanked by media they move from group to group until theyre only left with reporters and calm streets. We are very very proud of our folks. And were proud of our city. No small irony, night turns out better than day in baltimore as massive crowds swarm city hall and penn station. The majority of protests peaceful. A handful still determined to harm police hurling rocks. I have a number of officers that have well they probably have broken hands or other bumps and bruises. Hes signing fake autographs for fake fans. The biggest reminder of disruption in baltimore seen on the field, not the streets. For the first time in history the Baltimore Orioles played to an empty camden yards. Mlb officials too afraid of possible violence inside their stadium. My prayers have been out for all the families all the kids out there. You know theyre hurting. But what exactly happened to 25yearold freddie gray . That remains a mystery. According to a newlyreleased investigative document obtained by the Washington Post, a prisoner who rode in the police van with gray who was separated by a metal partition and could not see him, told investigators he believes he was, quote, intentionally trying to injure himself. Nobodys standing up for the officers any of them. Cutting against this report a Family Member of one of the six officers under investigation. They wish to remain unidentified but say gray wasnt manhandled on the road. And the van ride was not rough. There were two people in the back. If he was rolling around in the back then the other person that was back there would have been rolling around in the back also and they werent. A document from someone who was with freddie gray in the van that says to the police according to them he tried to hurt himself, the Family Member of one of the officers involved saying they thought that he got hurt before he was in the van. So lets examine this. How much weight should it have . Whether this prisoner matters, does the Family Member matter more . Cnn justice reporter evan perez is digging down for us. What do you got . You know chris, were talking about six blocks. This is when the second prisoner gets into the van and they are taken to the police station, both prisoners. So during this sixblock ride is when this prisoner says he believes he comes to the impression that freddie gray was trying to harm himself. Freddie gray is picked up at 8 42. Thats when the paddy wagon was requested. 8 46 van driver says hes being irate and put leg irons on him. Freddie gray is being irate. That is correct. And shortly thereafter they stop again to pick up the second prisoner. Its hard to understand how this second prisoner comes to believe that hes trying to harm himself. We do know that he was thrashing about in the back there. The baltimore Police Commissioner addressed some of this. Heres what he had to say. The second prisoner that was picked up is that he didnt see any harm done to freddie at all. What he has said is that he heard freddie thrashing about. The driver didnt drive erratically. And hold on a second evan. How could the second prisoner have seen anything . Hes on the other side of a wall. Hes on the other side of a wall. And hes giving his impression based on not seeing anything. Now, what were beginning to see here chris, is you know as you know the police and the prosecutors have to bring a case based on the idea that they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And what youre seeing here they dont have to bring charges on that basis. They dont, right. But they have to believe they can prove a case. Right. So what were seeing here along with the interview last night with Anderson Cooper in which a friend of the one of the officers involved here says that the officer believes the injury occurred before he gets into the van. That begins to show a picture here that you know theres going to be different explanations that prosecutors are going to have to sort through. Right. Now, look, one of the reasons that evan perez, hes a pro. One of the reasons he seems so qualified, remember the sourcing on this. One is a Family Member of one of the cops who says that that cop says. And on the other side its this prisoner who cops say he said to them even though he was on the other side of the wall and couldnt see, its speculative. Thats why theres so much push for real answers people can clarify. Thank you so much for the reporting. Well keep on all that. And all of this will come down to leadership by the cops and the electeds here in baltimore. Theyve told the public they have to have patience in the search for justice, but how long will that hold . We bring in the mayor, the woman at the center stephanie rawlingsblake. She is here. Shes been at the center of it. Certainly trial by fire. Ms. Mayor, good to have you with us. Good to have you after a night where we can say things were better. But lets break down what will build your future here in this city. This the Washington Post report you know what it says. The person who was on with Anderson Cooper last night, youve heard about that. Did you know these things before they came out in the media . Are you getting information as a leader about whats going on . So the issue is for me its not helpful to the freddie gray family its not helpful to our community who wants to seek justice to engage in speculation that doesnt get us closer to answers. Our Community Wants answers to what happened to freddie gray. And thats important that we protect that process so were able to get there. When you have a situation that you know is a pretty closed youre an established attorney. You know all this. When people say its all the cops its a pretty limited fact pattern, youve had a lot of time you got statements from the cops why arent i hearing anything . It fuels negative suspicion. Do you understand that . I absolutely understand that. People are in pain. And people want answers. And the family wants justice. And weve been clear from the very beginning that we want to do Everything Possible to put information out as soon as we can, but in a way that doesnt undermine our ability to seek justice for freddie gray. At the end of the day if were going to heal as a community, it is because we have done everything that we can to get the answers and to seek justice for freddie gray and for his family. Whats the main answer to satisfy the confusion about why it has taken as long as it has taken . A lot of people dont understand the process. And a lot of people dont care about the process. A lot of people want better for their communities. A lot of what youre seeing when you saw the worst of it it wasnt about the process. It wasnt about justice. It was about the fact that we have people in our community who were in pain. And my hope is that by focusing on justice and by focusing on that pathway forward well have time and space to heal our community. We have work to do to rebuild that trust. Work that weve been doing. Ive been in the process of reforming my Police Department. We put in place better training. Weve got police discourtesy complaints down Excessive Force down shootings down. Were holding more officers who act out, were holding more of those officers accountable. Lawsuits against the city are down. With all of that progress were making you see the pain that still exists. So my goal is to find the space and the place and the pathway not just to justice but to peace and to allow us to heal and to get better as a city. But it all starts with the case right . Because justice winds up being a process, fairness under law and justice delayed is justice denied. Weve all heard those words. Theyve set up an expectation here about tomorrow. You know that. The Police Commissioner contributed to this. Youve been part of this dialogue. Tomorrow in all fairness, is not the day of clarity in the case of freddie gray, is it . Tomorrow is an inflection point. Thats the deadline the commissioner gave to give over the investigative material to the states attorney. It is a continuation in a process toward justice. The citizens here who want answers will not get them tomorrow fair point . So what weve said very clearly is we have a duty to protect the justice process. So freddie grays family can have the justice that they want. They dont want any information to go out that would undermine their ability to get justice for freddie gray. Theyve said it loud and clear. And were going to protect that. Right. Im just saying people think tomorrow they may learn i mean you know. Youre hearing it. Were hearing it on the streets. Be calm tonight. Fridays our day. Well get our answers. Dont you feel people should know no youre not going to get your answers on friday. And not for bad reason for good reason. But dont have the expectation that the mayor or the Police Commissioner is going to step out and say heres what we know heres whats going to happen. Uhhuh. Ill say this we have as we know its not going to undermine our ability to seek justice for freddie gray. I want to make sure that when this information goes to the states attorney we continue to do that. Thats the only way were going to be able not just to seek optics i mean to seek justice for optics but to have justice for freddie gray. Weve been talking in schools, ive been talking to clergy leaders, community leaders, about this process to make sure people have the right expectations about whats going to go on on friday. Tomorrow is not the day. Im just saying do you agree with that proposition . Dont look to tomorrow for the end. Well it cant be the end. Theres been no charges, theres been no trial. It cannot be the end. Understood but you know people arent clear on that. I just want to make it clear for them. Absolutely. Yeah. What theyll say is you know what if i did this you know people in your community are saying they would have arrested me already. Maybe theyd charge me maybe they wouldnt. Why werent these officers arrested . You got a guy who dies in their custody with a crushed larynx and a broken spine, he did that to himself in a van . Maybe, maybe not, but certainly would be probable cause that a crime would be committed as a citizen as the defendant. Why not here . So what youre talking about is the deeper issues and the pain that i know exists in our community. No im talking specific to the facts of this case. Yeah. Specifically to this case not to pad your pedigree but you are a practicing attorney. You know if it were a regular person a citizen, and you had someone with a crushed larynx and a broken spine and it was just about your client and that victim tharks would very likely be probable cause for some type of arrested charges. But youre speculating. Quite likely but it could be the same situation. And at the end of the day its about this case and making sure were getting this case right. It has nothing to do with speculation about any other cases out there. This family wants justice. They dont want us to sit here and speculate about what could have happened if it was a private citizen that did it. When the officers are home getting paid and freddie grays dead and it seems like theres a connection between what happened. Nobody wants to paint the police in a bad light. That does not help the future of your community. But the suspicion is what matters. You understand what im saying . I absolutely understand. And thats why ive worked so hard to reform our department. Ive worked to get the Justice Department in here to do a collaborative reform process because i know we have issues with our Police Department. I know there are issues of mistrust. And i want to do everything in my power to bring the resources to my city so we can fix it. And were going to do that. The issues that youre talking about and the mistrust and the expectations thats bigger than this one case. And we have to get it right. So while we seek justice for freddie gray im going to continue to push for progress. Im going to continue to work with communities so we can do the healing that they say that they want and the police say that they want. You get a big amen from the community on that. And one of the things that has brought it out is this word thug. When youre in the communities with the Civic Leaders there, they say this is one of the ugliest problems were dealing with right now. This idea that youre going to dismiss everybody who broke a window and looted and rioted as all the same person just is a lie about the reality here. That there are just as many people who saw this as an act of desperation. And people on the outside can say, oh youre just excusing thugs behavior. But do you know better mayor . Is there a better explanation . You got caught up in the use of the thug word also. Do you believe everyone in that community who was breaking a window or acting in anger or making bad choices theyre just criminals looking for opportunities . Or theres another kind of person there acting out as well . What is clear is that name calling and blaming doesnt bring healing to our communities. I was angry when i saw what people were doing to the community that i love. I know that thats a community thats been fighting back from the riots from the 60s. And to see it being destroyed was painful. I used a word that i regret. Ive apologized. And you know why . Not just because i used it because it took the eye off of the real problems in our community. Calling them thugs or criminals or even worse doesnt bring the resources that they need. It doesnt bring healing to the community. It doesnt validate the reality. Absolutely. Politics thats part of the game. I think the more important part may be the suggestion of and the reason thug doesnt matter is because you may not live here but you know this community. And they deal with things every day that most people in the country dont have to in baltimore. One in every three of them is living under the poverty line. They cant get jobs. There is an education process. We watched a kid last night rapping that they want education, not incarceration. He doesnt want to go to jail. The kid was like 8. And he was rapping this on the street. Doesnt that matter as much to give voice to that no matter what the rest of the country wants to see this as . Absolutely. Thats why ive spent so much time over the past few days every chance i get talking to our young people about how theyre feeling. What does this make you feel when you see your city portrayed like this . They know very clearly that this the acting out that we saw, wasnt just about freddie gray. Its about pain in the community. But its also about people who dont respect where they live. And those young people are mad about it. So this out of these dark days and our city theres a healing thats poblg. And theres a pathway to a better baltimore. Were a resilient city. And were a city thats not we refuse to be down. Dont count us out. Two other things. What is your take on this moment that became metaphor of the mom eyeballing her kid as you know a potential kid going out there to act out their anger and her slapping him around keeping him in line . What does that mean to you . You know i think we can all debate her methods. What i can say is she loves her child enough to intervene when it was necessary. And i applaud that. We need more parents that are willing to step up and to take control over their kids to listen to their kids. And when they see their kids in trouble, to immediately act. Thats what its going to take in order for us to have the healing that we need and the space for these kids to find their pathway. When you as a parent know that your kids are doing this and putting themselves at risk of death, of incarceration, that is your acceptance that theyre not going to reach their potential. That mother shes like not on my watch. Youre going to make it. Youre going to get your education. Youre going to do the right things because you know better. And there are so many parents that need to say that same message. Again, you know she winds up being a demonstration of how two people see the situation differently. Some saying well you got six kids youre all alone, thats part of the problem. People dont necessarily understand conditions and life and what people have to deal with in order to get their kids where they want to be. Thats where leadership comes in feeds into what is being done on the ground to help the situation. I know hindsights 20 20, but it also gives you a way of how you can do it next time and there are always going to be problems. Do you think theres more with senator on the ground last night, to have a leader there, not a voice over a bull horn. You got 87 of the vote but you havent been at the ugly situations at night. Do you think you should be . This is the deal. Every person in our community, even the gang members in our community that are coming out, everybody that has their role and their place to bring peace in our community. I know that my presence can be a calming presence and can be a flash point. Im not going to risk inserting myself you know it might look good to some people but im not going to insert myself in a situation that we know is potentially hostile and very fragile when i have leaders like Elijah Cummings and senator pugh who are willing to stand in and do that work that needs to be done. There are a lot of moving pieces. Theres a lot of work that needs to be done operationally. And im doing that role. And im grateful that we have leaders that are willing to step up and to insert themselves where there is community leaders, faith leaders, other elected officials, to help. I cant be eight different places at one time. I cant be at the watch Center Making sure that we have all the resources we need and on a bull horn at the same time. Im not going to be able to do that. But what i can do is lean on the leadership and courage of other leaders in our city that help and want to do their part to get us better. It all comes down to whos at the top, and thats you in this city. One quick question. The curfew. Uhhuh. Do you see it going a full week . Are you thinking we heard youre thinking about reducing how long youll have a curfew. Apparently theres a mind reader someone has. No. I have made no decision about lifting the curfew. We reevaluate on a daily basis. Because you get that message that send to the community too, right . They cant be trusted to live their own lives. Thats not well that shouldnt send that message. What its saying is we want peace in our community. And were going to do everything that we can to ensure that we have peace moving forward. Weve done weve had curfews before in baltimore. We have a youth curfew year round. Were going to make sure that we keep our young people safe. I dont want to lose another life out on the baltimore streets because of the violence that has been erupting in our city. Understood. And were going to make sure we do everything that we can to keep everyone safe. You know what theyre saying its not the curfew it will be justice that will bring peace. Miss mayor, you have a lot of work to do. Thank you for joining us here on new day. Appreciate it. Thank you. Weve been discussing with the mayor whats going on here right now. The next big step will be tomorrow because thats when the police will hand over a preliminary report to the prosecutors. What do the family expect tomorrow . What do they think theyre going to learn . And were going to have the reaction of the speculation that maybe freddie gray hurt himself in that van. Were going to talk with an attorney for grays family coming up. Thank you for being a sailor, and my daddy. Thank you mom, for protecting my future. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. Military families are thankful for many things. The legacy of usaa Auto Insurance could be one of them. 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What was your takeaway from what the mayor had to say about the current investigation, the expectations and how its being handled. Let me talk a little bit about the fact that we represent the gray family. And on our team at our firm we have you know billy murphy who not only is a defense attorney but he also was a judge. I come from a background of being a prosecutor doing defense work. We have other people who have spent their career you get the system. We understand it. We told the family from the beginning answers were not going to come quickly. And that answers needed to be the investigation needed to be full and complete so that whatever happens subsequently and hopefully what will happen is the correct people are charged, those charges are prosecuted and then that prosecution sticks. Two questions. Why does everybody think tomorrows a big day . Because thats what the government told them. Thats what the Police Commissioner told them in the beginning. And the mayor did not disavow people of the fact that may 1st was sort of a drop dead date. I think missing from the conversation and may have been inadvertent, there are many things going on, but missing from the conversation was this is a process. So the Police Department has the ability to chart to make an arrest to charge someone. But in a situation like this theyre always going to go to the states Attorneys Office. Is that the right way to do it . Its the way its always done. That doesnt mean whether its right or wrong. It is i think it is probably the right way to do it only because why . If you were a prosecutor and i did this to freddie gray you would have had me arrested and said we have probable cause a crime was committed. There are charges there, lets see if they stick. Thats what happens with a citizen, not a cop . I dont agree with that. I dont agree it should happen when its Police Officers it should happen when its anyone. I have to say the mayor was right works differently depending on the circumstances. In this case no one was arrested on the scene. Oftentimes well see if theres sort of an Immediate Reaction the officers know immediately who the suspect is they will arrest that individual. And that individual will go through that process of arrests. They will sometimes have a preliminary hearing. They will sometimes be charged first by the states Attorneys Office via grand jury. Thats different. Sometimes, she was correct when she said this sometimes in the course of the process theres an investigation to be done determining who should be charged, what charges should be brought and done via grand jury. Arrest warrants can be after the grand jury indicts you can get warrants. The officers can then be arrested. The fact its going to the Prosecutors Office and then going to a grand jury doesnt mean anyone will be arrested. Just a longer process before the arrests occur. Interesting dynamic. Youre not here to defend the process, youre representing the family who wants answers more than anybody else. I am. The suspicion that police should not investigate themselves. Yes, you have the state police doing their thing, the Attorneys Office is doing her thing, the police are doing their thing. Should there be an independent body like what you have in wisconsin where every time theres police Excessive Force as an allegation theres an outside entity independent that reviews it. So you cant question the timing. You dont question whether theres conflict. I think thats probably a really good idea. I think when the Police Department is confronted with what they were confronted when freddie was unresponsive in the van, they knew there was a problem. They knew there was a potential criminal there may be a potential criminal investigation. I think going to the outside to bring someone in prosecutors do it all the time if theres any kind of conflict any kind of relationship when i was in the office we would bring someone from the outside who would come in and prosecute that case. Is the family happy with what the mayors doing and how theyre communicating with her and how the city is being controlled during this time . You know the family is the family doesnt comment on the process. What the family wants to see is a full and thorough investigation. Look right now what weve had are bits and pieces of information. We dont receive any more information than you receive. And so theres no special information that the familys been given or that weve been given as the familys attorneys. So its really difficult to sort of track the investigation because all we have now are pieces of information that we cant put together. The family wants the violence to stop. Thats for sure. Theres no question about that. We know thats a much bigger dynamic than what happened to freddie gray. Heres one of the Big Questions of the day, and i know you want to address it. Okay. Is it true that freddie gray did have a spine injury but it was the result of a preexisting injury and that he may have settled a case about that injury involving his spine and that he may have had surgery on his spine before so that he was vulnerable and it wasnt about what the police did . Is that a big revelation thats being kept from people . Okay im going to answer that in two parts. The first answer is, i have no information that our client or freddie gray had any kind of spinal injury. I have no information on that regard. And i havent seen anything in that regard. Second thing is lets just assume as a hypothetical even if that were true that would not excuse the actions of the officers. So lets make that clear. One sort of has nothing to do with the other. Its a distraction. Its another one of those rumors and pieces of innuendo thrown out there. It distracts from the actions of the officers and the issues of whether or not charges should be brought. Doesnt in any way, shape or form if it were true and im not saying that it is because i have no information that it is. Interestingly those who want to forward the information those ignoring its about the spine its about a crushed voicebox and what would that have had to do with it . Would ignore the fact freddie was running down the street before the Police Officers ever put their hands on him and came out responsive. Thats why i have to say i cant put much credence in that. Thank you very much for helping us understand the system. And where the family is and answering the speculation. Appreciate it. Thank you. Have a good day. Alisyn back to you in new york. Okay chris. Were going to be talking a lot about a word thugs. Thats how violent protesters in baltimore have been described. But is that word too offensive to use . We will debate that. music boys . Stop less. Go more. The passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. Just one reason volkswagen is the 1 selling diesel car brand in america. We all enter this world with a shout and we see no reason to stop. So cvs health is creating industryleading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed. It could help save tens of thousands of lives every year. And that w ould be something worth shouting about. Cvs health, because health is everything. Its amazing you dont call six Police Officers who kill a man without probable cause thugs, but children who are frustrated and dont have an outlet you call them thugs . Thugs is the 21st century word for the nword. And it is repulsive. Well that was reverend jamal bryant criticizing the use of a word weve heard a lot this week thug. Even president obama and baltimores mayor have called the rioters thugs. So what makes that such a charged word . And is it the new nword . Joining us to debate this is retired nypd detective harry houck and host of huff host live marc la mont hill. Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us. Marc i want to start by putding the Meriam Webster definition of thug on the screen. Its from the hindi word literally means thief. Dates back to 1810. The definition is a brutal roughiarough rough ruffian. Why is this such a loaded word now . Words come from text and words are comprised of text. But then you have context. And its not just what the word means in the dictionary which i agree is very instructive but how it gets taken up. Takes on new meaning by say 1837 and becomes a word used by british kolcolonist. Right now in 2015 thug is almost exclusively used for black people who make white people uncomfortable in certain kinds of spaces. We saw it with Richard Sherman last year. We see it with these people in baltimore right now. All of whom are black. Well hold on, marc. Let me challenge you for one second because president obama uses it fairly liberally. Hes used it to describe ukrainian rebels describe isis describe al qaeda, he used it this week to describe people throwing rocks at Police Officers. He has sort of a wider indiscriminate use of that term. Its not always dark people. With the exception of ukrainians all of those people are dark and all of them are still considered ethnic others even ukrainian rebels. I think that actually supports my point. Im not excusing president obama. I think president obamas wrong too. But i think the idea that we only use it for people in the United States we use it for the white rioters after the kentucky game. We didnt use it for the Police Officers who hurt him. We didnt use it for the guy in South Carolina who shot someone running away. We rarely use the term thug for white people. Thats the problem. Harry go ahead. I want to bring harry in because i want to make sure he gets a chance to be part of the conversation too, marc. I can hear your passion. What about this notion marc is speaking about, harry . You have used the term and youre comfortable using it. No problem. But what about the idea that this is a label and labels only further marginalize people that are having trouble. Listen, alisyn read the definition of thug. Yeah. Thugs a bad guy. Simple as that. Got nothing to do with your color. Let me tell you something. This is Political Correctness going amuck. Is it . Whats next . Word criminal we cant use the word criminal now . Isnt there room for nuance harry . Youve got gangster rappers use the word all the time. Do you know why . Reclaiming it. No theyre taking the word for themselves. Wait a minute. Listen if you automatically think when somebody says thug all right, that it means a black person. You need to look in the mirror and say, hey, am i a racist . Ill tell you, yeah because ive called white people thugs, ive asked people what do you think when they think thug and they think bad guy. This is just the left trying to take that word away all right, so nobody can use it. What about even just using a label instead of looking at the root cause. This is what i want to ask both of you and challenge both of you on. If instead were arguing about a label, are we not looking at the root of the problem . Does it not distract from whats going on in baltimore if were just having this battle about a word . Exactly. Thats exactly whats going on. I think it is the problem. I think it is the problem though alisyn. Part of what ive been saying and what many people have been saying is we are criminalizing young people. And this is part of the problem that happens in baltimore in urban spaces all around america is that we see 16yearold and 17yearold youth. We dont see those people who make bad choices, we dont see them as people who need training or investment. We see them as young criminals who need to be arrested early. The language itself is reflective of the practice. Lets talk about the language. For people setting cars on fire and injuring Police Officers by hurling bricks at them what do you want to call them marc . Well it depends on the context but in this particular context if you guys are calling them rioters, i say, okay, this is an uprising. I understand why you would call this a riot. Some of them are engaged in criminal activity i understand that. But the label thugs themselves is to undermine and dismiss marc you dont want to call them criminals. You wont even call them criminals. I mean theyre thugs, criminals, use whatever word you want. What theyre trying to do is some of the politicians in baltimore are trying to deflect away from the criminal activity from the thugery thats going on down there and make excuses for the young people out there destroying the city. Go ahead, marc. The mayor of baltimore wasnt making excuses. The mayor of baltimore used the word thug and later apologized. Thats because shes listening to her friend who doesnt like the word. Thats basically why. Just let me finish though. Just let me finish the thought. Youre acting like a thug right now, harry. What im saying is that she wanted to challenge these young people to say, look what youre doing is wrong. But i dont want to create a context where we begin to see these young people purely through the lens of criminality because it stops us from doing the thing that we want to do which is change things fix things invest in them. Thats the problem for me. Its not critiquing bad behavior. Its the way we critique bad behavior. Lets look at the problem. Lets look at why things are the way they are in baltimore. Sure. You know why are we even talking about thug is insanity to me. And we shouldnt be talking about it. How are we going to clear up the problem . This is deflection away from the real problems that are going on. But language matders though harry. Definition of a word just because you dont like it or because youre politically correct gentlemen, we have to leave it here. We could probably go for another hour on this very topic. But we dont want to distract from the true story. Harry, marc we appreciate you bringing your passion today. Thanks. We do want to know what you think about all of this. Tweet us using newdaycnn. Wed love to hear your thought on all this language. Meanwhile back to the questions of surrounding the death of freddie gray. Did he have a preexisting medical condition . 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Are you going to hear whether or not there are charge sns and is all of this just an excuse for preexisting injury that freddie gray had and thats why his back broke . Those are the Big Questions. We have someone whos digging for answers every day, marc puente Investigative Reporter for Baltimore Sun. Lets check these boxes one by one. Start with the first one in time. Freddie gray preexisting condition, hurt his spine, had a lawsuit, had a settlement from a car accident or maybe it was lead poisoning. What have you figured out . Court records show there was a settlement filed paperwork for settlement in Howard County we went and got the records. Records say it was related to a lead paint lawsuit from years ago. His sister has a similar case one case number off. Some websites put it out there that it was a settlement related to a car accident. Thats not true. Theres another District Court case where freddie gray is listed in a tort injury case. The lawyer for the gray family says it was freddie gray sr. , the father. I tracked downed 74yearold lady listed as a plaintiff in that case. She says its the father. Were debunking the claims. One hanging question freddie gray yes or no checked the box in one of those legal documents, one of those pleadings that said car accident work related or something what did that mean . He did. He checked auto accidents, theres three boxes he checked. But he also wrote something underneath where you cant make it out but his sisters document she checked other and she wrote lead. But he also acknowledged that the injuries occurred when he was a minor. He listed the minor, the sisters form says the exact same thing. Related to the lead paint case. Conspiracy theory not relevant to this investigation in terms of what happened to his back. Done. Next one. The idea from the Washington Post guy in the van with him says he hurt himself. Thats what i think. How much weight do you put on it . I cant speak to what peter herman reported. Hes a fine reporter. I respect his work. I didnt get that report so let peter herman speak for that . What questions does it raise . I cant speak to that story. And whatever thrashing was done its not just the spine but also the voicebox. So you have a crushed voicebox need an answer for that also. Then a big one here that goes to the dynamic of this investigation and how the leadership is working. Tomorrows the big day, purks u puente its a big day because, dot, dot, dot. So many have the expectation of tomorrow. The expectation was set by the Police Commissioner when he said he turns his findings over to the states attorney on may 1st. People at that point started thinking well find out how freddie gray driedy died. Theyve kind of backed off and said its not going to be public. Even the family attorney doesnt want the findings known. They want a thorough investigation. Hes trying to tamp down expectations throughout the city so people dont have an outburst or think theyre being misled. This is your city you work these investigations. Is this going as they normally would . Is this too long . Is this reasonable . Ive been here a year and digging in investigative stuff related to police cases. Compared to what the Baltimore Sun did in previous cases, this is moving rather fast. The national medias here International Medias here. Thats helping drive some of this. Faster than other cases. People following this looking at micro and macro, freddie gray specifically what are your three biggest questions right now . As the mayor said, probable cause, misconduct by officers or no misconduct. Youre digging in on it and were relying on it. Alisyn back to you. Okay chris. So this the orioles and the white house marking thank you for being a sailor, and my daddy. Thank you mom, for protecting my future. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. 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You are watching new day, and its thursday april 30th 8 00 in the east. In new york there is a lot of news there. Frustration building over the death of freddy gray here in baltimore and around the country. The curfew worked and helped to keep order here and now a headliner about what might have happened in the back of the van. Protesters are breaking out nationwide ferguson missouri minneapolis, and new york and more than 100 people were arrested last night in the the clashes with the police. The tensions between police and communities erupting and exploding, and these are some of the cities that have seen or will see protests. The common message is simple. Police brutality is an issue across the nation. Some of the most intense protests right here in new york city and take a look at this video, about 100 people were arrested. Now, the night started off very peacefully and it escalated with a small scuffle with police, and protesters started marching. Police asking everybody to stay on the sidewalk, and those who did not ended up on handcuffs. We move on to washington, d. C. Where the situation and atmosphere was a lot more friendly and it was marchers marching down the street and singing and chanting. The group was about 500 strong. It dispersed once they got to the white house. More violence this time in denver. You see folks marching downtown down the streets, about 11 people were arrested. Theres a few commonalities here. Most of these protests started on social media and ended by thousands hitting the streets. Chris . The irony, you have it heated up all over the country, and here in baltimore, we saw a better night on the streets. For a second straight time the mandatory curfew worked. Here is what it was like last night. Curfew once again, the moment of truth in baltimore. You now have about 300 people here who are not sure whether they want to leave or not. Police assembling equipment and forming the line. We just had armour show up and the police are here in bigger numbers. Color sparking violence but on this night it was about gang colors as crips and bloods went at it. The police never move. The community handles its business and stepping up and squashing the rogue gang bangers. The key is leadership. Concerned citizens and all importantly, elected leaders on the ground. Baltimore representatives, Elijah Cummings a voice of reason and people responding and flanked by media they move from group to group until they are only left with reporters and calm streets. We are very very proud of our folks and were proud of our city. No small irony. Night turns out better than day in baltimore as massive crowds swarm city hall and penn station. The majority of protests peaceful, a handful still determined to harm police by throwing rocks. Signing fake autographs for fake fans. The biggest disruption in baltimore seen on the field and not the streets, and for the first time the orioles played to an empty camden yards, and the officials too afraid of possible violence outside the stadium. My prayers are for the families and kids out there, and they are hurting. But what happened to freddy gray . That remains a mystery. According to the newly obtained document a prisoner who road in the van with gray and who could not see him, he told investigators, he believes he was intentionally trying to harm himself. One of the six officers under investigation, they wish to remain unidentified but they say gray was not manhandled on the road and the van ride was not rough. If he was rolling around in the back the other person back there would have been rolling around in the back also, and they werent. We have two sources of information about what might have happened before and after freddy gray got in the van. Lets see what they can mean to us. We have evan perez a senior justice correspondent. What could this mean . I know the sourcing what said what to whom what could it mean . The prosecutor is going to have to sort through the more confusing picture of what the police are telling them happened and the police say that whatever happened happened in the van. You hear that person who is close apparently to the Police Officer driving the van, he told Anderson Cooper last night, whatever happened it happened before freddy gray got in the van, and we know a wagon was requested to take a van, and a van driver is saying gray is being i rate and its after that this prisoner gets into the van and they drive six blocks before they go to jail. Now, the Police Commissioner has addressed some of this before. Here is what some of what he says happened there. The second prisoner that was picked up is he didnt see any harm to freddy at all, and he heard freddy flashing about and the driver did not drive erratically. That makes you ask even more questions, and at the end of the Washington Post report it does raise the question as to how this does this second prisoner know he is trying to harm himself, and all he can hear is banging on the metal wall the partition that separates him from freddy gray. We know he was doing enough for them to put shackles on him, and then people say, before he was dragged in he looks obviously hurt and the Baltimore Sun says there is no reason to believe he had previous surgery, and he had the crushed larynx and not just the spinal injury. And many people have told me its not a clearcut case against these officers and thats something the people on the streets dont want to hear. They think they are going to hear about that tomorrow. What does this mean . Joining us now, councilman nick mosley and now we are going to put a huge strain on your marriage by saying what has your wife told you . The important thing, people have an expectation that tomorrow is the day, and forget about who you are married to and you are an elected official and you know the process, and are people being set up for false expectations for tomorrow. I think we develop a communication strategy to let people know what is going to take place. And i think the Police Commissioner tried to do that yesterday, and as public sir srupts we need to educate them on the process. The mayor and the commissioner set the date tomorrow, and the mayeror echoed it. What we need to do is try to develop a plan to proactively communicate. I have been meeting with my Community Members and we are trying to get one unified message out, and the Police Department is going to say they are going to hand the contents of their investigation over to the states attorney and not necessarily to a reporter. You were dressed differently when you were on the show before because you spent a lot of time on the grounds, and you have not had enough big shots, the mayor, the governor on the ground at the hot spots to control the situation. And last night, you saw senator cummings i was out there with him. Would this have been different if the mayor and the mayor is your party. Yeah its critically for for me to be out there, and thats why i am out there. I think we bring another sense of calm when you are letting folks know your elected folks care about this and its really us versus the criminal system and they see it like they are occupying our neighborhood and they pressure represents like congressman cummings. Is thug is that code for saving savage primitive angry brown people that will hurt themselves at the end of the day when you commit a crime, you are a criminal no matter who you are. Is everybody that breaks a window the same . Yes. They are the same . Yep. The guy that wants to be bad is the guy who says i cant take think anymore and says if they are not going to embrace me destructive of private property is always wrong, and seniors in my community, i have a paraplegic woman, her house got set on fire and they are out of the house and in a hotel somewhere, and no matter what the reason is destruction of property that is not yours, thats a crime. Do you have to take a step back and look at the actions and see if its the same thing . Again, it doesnt make it excusable and folks should be punished however we need to become a better america by really trying to challenge this complex equation in urban america. Freddy gray matters, but what is driving this behavior that we see in the city . Its not really about freddy gray is it . This is much more than freddy gray. And the young guys out here showing their frustration and venting and being angry and doing it in an unproductive way, they are carrying their fathers and grandfathers burden. You are a democrat right . Yes. And is this on you guys the democratic rule here and is this an idea that you havent gotten it done as a party or structure here and is that the focus on the blame . Leadership is not based off of party lines, and at the end of the day, have there been failed policies . Yes. All of these things directly play into recidivism and its all about leadership and not about parties. Since you have grown up is it different today than it was . Is it better . No not in certain communities, no. Certain communities have been stagnant. Omalley saying i am going to run on the back of how i changed baltimore, and you are saying thats not impressive . I am not saying there is nothing impressive about omalley and we are talking about baltimore. One in every three is in poverty in that area. If you look at things from the 80s and the 90s, things have gotten better. One murder is too many. So do we look better . Yes. However, there is so much work to do. When you say that last statement, this doesnt end in terms of freddy gray in terms of addressing problems that will make a difference here and is your concern this outcome will overshadow what needs to be done and if none of the officers get punished that is not going to change the situation. I am so excited about this movement and we are seeing young folks who having felt voiceless and completely disconnected from the political process who are now activated and motivated and out here marching peacefully, and if we can galvanize that energy to have folks be part of the problem, thats how we are going to change the issues that plagued this place for so long. We cant focus on the what but lets dig into the why. And all the attention baltimore got on monday exposed urban america from the east coast to the west coast. Councilman thank you for joining us. Lets take a look at some of the other headlines and we will get back to the top story in a moment. 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Feed it inner cities are being left behind. That was the former mayor of new orleans attributing the conflict in baltimore to staggering inner city unemployment. Lets see if a democrat from minnesota agrees and he has been tweeting up a storm about what is going on in baltimore. Good morning. Thank you for having me. Staggering unemployment or Excessive Police force or what . How do you explain what is going on in baltimore . Staggering unemployment and Excessive Police force go together. It leaves the less fortunate, and the way we keep the less fortunate in control is through policing and prisons. Thats the unfortunate formula we constructed. Freddy grays neighborhood 50 unemployment and Michael Browns neighborhood outside of st. Louis, they had the doubling of unemployment in the last ten years, and they are 12 , and the city i was born in detroit, michigan back in the 1960s when we had the koerner michigan report studying the same thing, and the unemployment was high where the disturbances happened. You have to make an investment and our society has to teadecide are we going to pay the police and prisons to keep the poor out of control. Lets talk about freddy grays neighborhood and i want to challenge you on the 50 unemployment number that you just used. This is from the Baltimore Neighborhood indicators alliance and they looked at every neighborhood in and around baltimore, and really there are staggering numbers here. The children living below the poverty line in grays neighborhood almost 50 . 77 only High School Completion and in other words, 3 drop out, and the unemployment they sight is 22. 7 because those are people actively looking for a job, but to your point 50 of the neighborhood is not working. When you look at those numbers, where do you begin . What is the answer . The answer is i think, simple. Its starts with investing in the infrastructure and the Educational Opportunity for the people there, and raising minimum wage and making sure people can go to the doctor. There is a big fight all across the country over minimum wage and in the mcdonalds, the ceo makes 9,000 an hour. And freddy gray led in a house with excessive lead paint and he ingested that like thousands of kids in baltimore and kids all over the United States suffer from and the paint is can we say i have to have a tax cut and i dont want to pay the estate tax, and isnt that ashame of what happened in baltimore . We are connected here and we are all americans. We have got to say, look you can make good money, but do you have to make so much that whole neighborhoods have nothing, and not even any hope . Thats the problem that we are facing right here. I want to ask you about the report out in the Washington Post report, and they cite a fellow prisoner who was in the same van as freddy gray who says it was his impression that freddy gray was thrashing around so much intentionally trying to injure himself. 16 years of doing criminal work if you are charged with a crime in custody and officers come to you and say, hey, somebody is saying we beat up on freddy did you see anything like that . Oh no sir. Come on its pretty transparent. I wouldnt put any creedens you think he is trying to get favor with Police Officers to get his own deal . I think he is trying to survive. I think he doesnt want to be like freddy gray. You have been tweeting a lot and some talking about the worth of buildings, and the Infrastructure Infrastructure and do you think we are not talking about freddy gray enough . There are people in his neighborhood that want to work that have tal kwrepbts and want to make a life for themselves and their children and i would urge the media to try and human humanize the people that live in that neighborhood so folks can have compassion for hard working people that live in impoverished neighborhood. We have a guy that works for the United States senate cooking, and he is homeless. Theres a guy that walked back to work ten miles every day, and thats the sad reality, and people are not thugged and they are not bad, and we need to hear the real stories of the people that labor so hard to make it every single day. Like the frustrated mom trying to save her son and lost it out there on the street. I had compassion for her because as a father of four the best thing in my life is my kids and what wouldnt i do to save them. There are parents all over baltimore and detroit and indianapolis and l. A. And the rest of us need to care about him. She said she was worried about him and didnt want him to end up as another freddy gray. Thank you for being on new day. Ahead here old wounds torn wide open by the death of freddy gray. We are going to speak with two mothers that lost their sons in deadly shootings. What its like for them to see the events in baltimore unfold the mothers of Trayvon Martin and sean bell, next. E taxes. We enacted the lowest Corporate Tax rate since 1968. We eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. With startupny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. All to grow our economy and create jobs. See how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow at ny. Gov business when account lead craig wilson books at laquinta. Com. He gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. So he knows exactly when he can settle in and practice his big pitch. And when craig gets his pitch down pat, do you know what he becomes . 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Its like people just arent listening to change the laws and try to make a difference to try and do something about this tragedy that continues to happen. Valerie, you said every time this happens, and it has happened several times since your son died and it reopens that wound for you. Help us understand how a family can cope through this kind of thing . Its hard to cope in the beginning because its like, dejavu dejavu and its unbelievable Something Like this is happening to your child and you think you are the first ones to go before them, and its unbelievable. Its constantly happening on and on and on in every state. We just need to come together and its hard, because people need to listen to us. And being heard is such a difficult part of it too. Yes. And then the waiting game which you know all too well sabrina, and we are waiting for the investigation and the process and find out if the person that caused the death of your son is going to be held accountable, and that wait something agonizing. What would you say to freddy grays family who are right now waiting for answers . I would tell them to try to be patient and dont listen to everything that they hear. Did you avoid the news . I tried to but i wanted to know what was going on. I wasnt getting any information because the only thing that Law Enforcement would say at the time is that they had an open investigation, so you know its just heartbreaking to know that you have a child that has been you know practically murdered and nothing is being done and you dont know anything and you dont know what happened and thats the big deal. My heart just goes out to the family and my heart goes out to the mother and the father and the brothers and the sisters, and just everybody that surrounds who freddy gray was, and its just an awful, you know and it feels like you are in a nightmare, and you will never wake up. Your heart just breaks. Every time these tragedies happen we know that they are going through it the same way we went through it and its just a difficult moment in your life. I wonder too, on top of it all, you are having to do this publicly. Your family name and your babys pictures are up on the wall and on the tv screens, and on top of it we see the reaction of the public and violence and looting and unrest and what does that make you feel when you see that happen . It hurts to see that. You are hurting this way and going away about it in a wrong way, and people are just tired. You can relate to that . Yes, i can relate to that. I never had been in a march before and my son had marches for him, and i was not ready for it and i was happy to see people out there helping us to do this but, please do not destroy your community, because you have to live there. You could have rallies and marches, but do it in a peaceful manner. I know its hard and its happening every year every week every day, but try to stick together. Mother have peace in your heart. I know its hard just think of the good memories of your son to hold on like sabrina said to have patience. Just go by what you know about your son . Since we are talking moms and we have two lovely moms who have grieved the loss of their sons, and you have seen a mom that took things into their own hands, and lot of people questioning the tactics, but do you understand . We absolutely understood. It was just a reaction. She just probably couldnt believe that she seen the face of her child there. And she thought about what happened with freddy gray and that you are down here and you are putting your life in danger and she reacted as a mother and took things into her own hands and said i am going to handle this. Thats what mothers do. They keep their children in check, because we have known and been out there and been growing up and we say a mother always knows and to know that you brought your child up the right way, and you dont know what they are going to do when they go outside. You have taken your fight all the way to legislation trying to get special prosecutors to take over Police Shootings. Do you think lawmakers are are agreeing with you . Change doesnt come overnight, and we just hope it will work because we dont know. You take a chance on anything at life and we pray they heard our voices. A quick final note from each of you. I am sure there are things you wish somebody could have told you in those terrible moments and hours and days. What do you wish freddys mom could know . Just to rely on god, and put her faith in god, and dont put your faith in man, but put your faith in god and try to do normal things and have a normal life. She needs to make sure she is getting enough rest and eating and she needs to make sure that she surrounded herself by positive people and most importantly she needs to make sure that she has a word in her hard and he remembers her son. Such incredible strength you both have. A delight to see you here. Horrible under these circumstances, but i am impressed and so inspired by your resillance. What do you think, give us a tweet at cnnnewday. The president taking the heat when using the word thugs, and we will talk to one councilman that says the president is out of line. Im caridee. Ive had moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis most of my life. But that hasnt stopped me from modeling. My doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. 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Tomorrow many members in your city especially from the poor areas believe tomorrow is the day. They heard the commissioner say it, we are going to hear what the police are going to do and are they set up for disappointment . They are not yet, and we have to keep making the message be heard today that the expectations are too high or inaccurate but, again, i think the authorities set this up and i think they said we are going to give areport on friday may 1st and thats tomorrow and they are not going to give a report publicly they are going to give it to the states attorney and they are probably not going to make charges which is not unusual to make charges and then give it to the prosecutor to see if there is an indictment going down, and apparently they are not going to go that far. Tomorrow there may not be charges, and then the followup is why were they given that and is it wrong if there are no charges tomorrow or are you okay waiting for the process . I am okay waiting for the process to get it right, to make sure the investigation is fully completed. I dont want to get it wrong tomorrow. I dont want to have a false start. I dont want to give away information that could damage the investigation. So i am okay with that. We just have to make sure everybody understands theres a longer process, and they feel like they have waited too long because freddy gray is not an isolated incident and in this city the types of cases like this are well documented and they are concerned this is part of a coverup. And lets talk what people are running around and its thug. How do you decide to judge the people in the poor areas . You are saying they committed a crime, and you are saying that that is code and you are talking around a reality that nobody wants to address saying not everybody who breaks a window is the same. I say often times we hear the university of kentucky and maryland what i am trying to say is that after particular sporting events students riot often, too often, and they loot and hurt Police Officers, and they call them College Students not thugs. I can go on but i dont want to. Why is it . Why are those kids college kids and why are people from the communities we are talking about thugs . The poor kids believe its a racial code word. I am not making it up and thats what the young people in the communities, they are redeemable kids. They have made a horrible mistake and have been misled and they are hungry but to have a healing process, to begin to engage these young people you dont start with labeling branding and using harsh words. Thats exactly what we are doing. You break a window, and you are a criminal and i dont want to hear about your past and thats what you are, period. It was a bad choice and it was a bad action but thats not who they are, and thats not who they are in their everyday lives or who they were yesterday or who they could be going forward. If we talk call them our children and our hope and legacy and bring them to expectations up and dont give them a brand that they will live down to. One of the concerns that is bigger than the word that when you suggest and people suggest what you just did, lets try it a different way, and people have to ask themselves why. Councilman thank you. We will be back with you moment tearily, chris, but first a word champion boxer, and George Foreman will be here to share his predictions on the big fight, and his thoughts on baltimore. Apples fall, but the apples of your cheeks dont have to. Defy gravity. Juvederm voluma® is the only fdaapproved injectable gel to instantly add volume to your cheek area. As you age, cheeks can lose volume. 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And police used to come out and volunteer to teach us and they would travel with us, and we didnt see their guns but we saw their dedication and that needs to come back. Given that johnson tried to eradicate this so many decades here what has gone wrong now . People forget. You fix it and then it starts falling apart and you sweep it under the rug and you think its going to stay there. Its something that must stay in action. You have activity going on to keep the youth in check. You see one of those moms going out there, and it rephaoeupbminded me of my mom, and i went through shell shock, like she is back she is back. Its going to take the community and the police again, not so much as arresting us and they taught me out to box. They made me travel around the country. Muhammad ali, the police taught us how to box, and they took their guns off and travelled in different states the National Golden gloves and they made a difference in our lives. They still can. Thats the important thing. I was robbing and stealing as a teenager and i did not understand it was a crime because everybody was doing it and police cornered me and i covered myself for the busted sewage pipe because the dogs couldnt smell me, and then i realized i was a they have. And then i changed. Do you think these are isolated incidents or do you think there is a crisis between black young men and police. Some you just dont see as much as you can, but there is no difference in any boy, and you have to have your mom and dad. Everywhere i go i keep a bunch of my kids and grandkids with me because i know if i take my eye off of them one moment they will be in trouble. We want to turn to Something Else happening right now, and we know you talked about how the Police Athletic league supported you in your boxing career, and a big boxing event about to happen, mayweather and pacquiao. This is really big. I never have seen a match like this and all of these big boxing matches, and this puts everything to rest. Mayweather is probably one of the greatest athletes of alltime. Nobody wants to give it to him, because this is this generation. People dont want to admire them like they did, and George Foreman, ma ahmedhaupl ali, and everybody is talking about the match, and who is going to win . Its a toss up. If you make a pick then you start pulling for your pick, and i dont want to do that and i just want to say its going to be a great fight and there will not be one like this for a long time, and this is one for the ages. You brought tshirts from your new project. You moved from the foreman grill to a site. Yeah you can get on George Foreman butcher shop. Com. If George Foreman can come and cook it for me . I will. I knew he would. Its good to have you here. Great to get his take on what is happening in sports but also in baltimore. 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There is a duhiskrep see there. Newsroom starts now. Happening now in the newsroom, what really happened to freddy gray . According to a new report a prisoner in the same police van said gray was trying to injure himself, but what do the officers say . We unified and solidarity. Beyond baltimore. Protesters take to the streets in new york denver and minneapolis, with tensions simmering across america, why is baltimore open to