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More than 30 surface missiles 15 aircraft. But still no sign. No concrete sign of what may have happened to 8501 the frustration of the family the passengers are growing. The morning, grim few details as the search for air asia polite 8501 continues. Investigators think the plane is likely on the bottom of the sea, based on coordinates of the planes last emission. Its been crisis central. The distraught relatives of the 155 passengers briefed here earlier today behind closed doors. Monday marks the first full day of searching since 8501 disappeared early sunday morning. So far the plane has not put out own e any signals to pinpoint its location. Instead, Police Search on this Shallow Waters where the plane was last tracked. The airbus a 3 fwen township320 took off. Usually its not one thing that brings down a plane. For a strong big jetliner to be brought down by turbulence is rare. Reporter one theory is the plane may have stalled trying to get to high altitude. This air traffic reporter seems to report that. What it shows is this particular flight had an altitude of 36,000 photoand climbing but traveling at aproblemsa105 Miles Per Hour. Reporter we do know at 6 12 a. M. One of the pilots radio took permission to climb from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet it would be the last known communication from the crew. We are very devastated about whats happened. Its unbelievable. We do not know what happened yet. We will await the investigation to find out what happened. To these two teenage girls whose parents were aboard the flight, all they can do is wait holding on to hope that their families will soon be found. So many stories of sadness. 150 passengers or indonesians, the families of these passengers are getting increasingly frustrated. They are asking by authorities, mikaela, if they can bring if pictures of their loved ones or samples that will contain dna, obviously, authorities are preparing for the worse, some Still Holding hope against hope its seems increasingly unlikely mikaela. Its heart breaking to hear of tear grief and anxiety. We thank you for that. We know several other companies have joined the missing plane, including australia. Indonesia, rather reaped out to countries like the u. S. For under water search technology. We want to turn to Paula Hancocks who is live now from the stageing area in indonesia with more we know Daylight Hours are waning now, paula. Reporter thats right, you can see dusk is falk here. Its falk for a second day. So the air search is effectively over. We seen the past couple of hours here its been very quiet. We havent seen helicopters and planes landinged we have throughout the day t. Ships in the java sea can stay there. It is very difficult to see anything in the pitch black. So obviously, a very disappointing end to the second day for the relatives and the passengersened the crew. We did speak to the head of the search and operation here. Its one of the islands closest to the last area that this plane was known to have been in. The last point of contact and he basically says that they dont know at this point where the exact sloex. They dont have the data to pin point. Where they should be looking. So they have a 240 fought cal mile area. A huge area that they are combing through at the moment. Thank you so much for the latest information on this search. It is such an excrushiateing way for the familyings of the 162 people on board this flight relativings crying begging to know the fate of their loved one, so many tears. This as the demand to answers now is the unknown, lets go to will ripley live in beijing tracking the family stories, good morning, will. Reporter john good morning, and there are 154 people still missing here in china. Toe, of course passengers of flight 370 and the families of those people know perhaps better than almost anyone else what this ordeal is like. This has become front page news. Its all over the newspapers and television here in china and a headline right next to the missing plane is how this has brought people back to that day in early march when flights disappeared and family members waiting ten monthings, not knowing what happened to their loved one sitting and watching the coverage and sobbing because it makes them feel like its going all over again. They know what the families are going through. Its a sad detail for many of those family thank you so much. We want to turn to our cnn safety analyst here also a former faa safety inspector and author of why planes crash, two gentleman we turn to in times like this. David, i want to start with you, we heard that indonesian search and rescue officials are effectively saying they believe our early conjecture is the plane is at the bottom of the sea according to a coordinant they last received. What coordinant could they be talking about here . This could be the last information abc the eight where it was, either from secondary radar or the atsb that would have told them where it was tets i lost communication. Richard, we know of this area where a lots of comparison itself are made between mh3 sfevenlths this area was traveled and its Shallow Water. Does its surprise you that it hasnt been found yet . No, even though its a smaller area, you have to get the boat itself and the ships there, you are still looking for fairly small objects if a rather large sea. The issue will of course be whether or not the plane i dont mean to put it uncoinedly whether it broke up in the air and you are looking at lots of debris or when it hit the water, in which case it will be a smaller debris field. Those are things they will be looking for. I am more confident they will find something sooner. I dont think its going to be that long a search. We know issue was an issue for the flight itself. Talk to us about the weather. If the weather wasnt bad, we heard there were terrible thunderstorms in the area. Would they have been bad enough to prevent the plane from taking off to begin with . They werent. Obviously, they have that information before they take off. They wont take off knowing that could was there, that they couldnt pass it. But these clouds change very quickly. By the time you went over the cloud, knowing where the top was, the top could be climbing at a rate quicker than you are. Lets stay with that a second, hoy badly, i think so many of us that fly, it makes us nervous when we experience that turbulence when there is a thunderstorm or something in the area that, bad weather, how bad does it have to get and could a thunderstorm bring down an airplane in. Its extremely rare. Ive only done one investigation in which it brought it down. It was a much smaller aircraft much more susceptible to that type of weather. Its very rare it would happen. The Destructive Testing which i did early in my career to try to break airplane wings literally, they touch each other before they break. Could they take out an engine . An engine is less likely than that. The only thing it might cause is an engine stall, when its disrupted either by hail or some kind of a crosswind flow or a stall. That kind of thing can happen. Engines recover from that. Again, thats less likely than in a thunderstorm. We know these new jets so much more advanced than they used to be and you heard them say it takes more than one thing, richard, to bring a jet down. Lets talk about the other aspects him we know this plane went from 38,000 feet to 32,000 feet. Then there was about a fourminute gap before the plane dropped off the radar. What does that tell you . What questions does it where i to mind . I think you might have misstone. It was going from 32 to 38. Pardon me. So were all the same. Yeah the plane was climbing at the time and there is this now radar picture that suggests the speed has bled off and was now dangerously slow. These are valuable clues, to what david was saying the weather, itself, doesnt bring down the plane. The plane is built to hand him that. What happens is its how everything responds to it. How the aircraft respond, do any systems fail . The pilots have to respond to. Here we have a situation we believe the plane is climbing venlg we know that for a fact. It appears it might have been going too slow. En the have you this gap where maybe the aircraft stalled. By stalling of course just to clarify. We are not talking here about the engine stopping stalling of a car, for example, we are talking about the aerodynamics of the wing where there is not enough air flow over the wing to create lift. That in aviation is known as the stall. As you mentioned, you looked at the mechanismal aspects of the plane. You looked at the experience of the pilot. What do we know of the experience of these pilots . The airasia puts out a statement saying the captain had 6,000 hours, a total of 6,000 hours. In an early fe tom none the chief executive said in all he had 20,000 hours. So were not quite sure exactly where that stand at the moment whether its 20 or whether its 6. The first officer had 2andahalf,000 hours of flight. So at those sort of levels and bearing in mind they were experience ltd. D pilots in that part of the area they would have been familiar with the bad weather that you, picture and those violent storms that can come up quickly. We know the airlines was impeccable before this. We havent heard of the emergency locator beacons, what do you make of that . They are for submergible accident or a break up of the thing. So interesting. We have all been talking about the comparisons we were just here with mh370. We got to know you so well with all the cover annual we did with that. During that conversation, we talked about the need the track these planes every second of the day. Here we are again. You know, thats so incredibly frustrating for me and for everyone the families everyone else its information that we had back at air france 447. The recommendation was made then. The recommendation was on the table before 447 about streaming this information. If we had streaming information on 447, it wouldnt make a difference. If we had streaming on 370, it would have made a difference. Now we are trying to find an aircraft out there and let families suffer during this time is just occurred to me that this hasnt been done yet. Richard, i thought about that its days after christmas. Just before the new 84. We have 100something odd families now groveing as they wait for answers. You feel, though even though the search is likely the air search is going to be called off because of fight falling. You feel answers should be coming soon . Yeah experience tells me that this particular part of the sea is not going to be its going to be challenging. If theyve got good primary, secondary, atsb radar that they know roughly, theyre really working out where its likely to have come down and first object to find. Frankly, lets remember we do only have mh370 as the only case where nothings ever been found. So common sense tells us its going to be very briefly, very quickly on davids point about tracking radar. The fact is its a disgrace t. Aviation industry knows what needs to be done. Everybody knows what feeds to be done. They need to get off their back sides and do it. Another remainder, sadly, of that fact here. We appreciate that tanks so much. Obviously, there are a lot of other headlines we need to get to. Rescue crews are racing against time to save 100 people stranded on that a comburning ferry. The italian navy says at least 340 people have been rescued. Five people have been confirmed dead t. Fire is believed to have started in a parking bay. Its been burning well over 24 hour hours. In afghanistan the u. S. Formally ends its combat role in the country. After 13 years, more than 1 trillion and the des of 2,200 service men and women. President obama says the war in afghanistan is coming to a responsible conclusion. Some 10,000 troops will remain in afghanistan to advise and assist Afghan Security forces. A Security Tactical alert after two suspects opened fire on two Police Officers driving if their patrol car. Lapd calling eight premeditated attack. The officers not injured returned fire. One suspect was arrested. The second suspect remains on the run, is considered armed and dangerous. Investigators say theyve recovered two weapons used in that shooting. Sonny pictures the interview raked in more than 15 million on its first online sale. It was rented or purchased online more than 2 million times t. Comedy took in almost 3 million as the independent theaters showed the movie. It didnt have wide release. The big chains dont want to release it at the same time. A lot of people said now, i have to see it. Its their patriotic duty to go see the interview. Good to see you both by the way. Still ahead, we will explore the role that weather, did it play a role in the disappearance of airasia flight 8501 and the comparisons of air France Flight. 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So joining me to talk about this is cnn meteorologist chad myers, also director of special projects at oceanic institution, chad i want to start with you with this latest information we are getting, reportedly a screen grab from air Traffic Control which show this flight 8501 rising in altitude perhaps rising too slowly at that altitude why would that be a concern . Lets break this down for you. Im going to take you where you are at 36,000 feet and give you a Division Number for how much air is up there. You go to the top of the mountain there is not much oxygen up there. There is 25 of the air at the surface. If that plane was going 353 knots, multiply that by 25 . They expect that airplane to fly at 100 Miles Per Hour at the surface. An a320 doesnt fly at 100 Miles Per Hour. Even at full flaps. Its the air the speed, you have to keep those constant. This plane was going too slowly for that altitude. We have all been if airplane in airplanes when it starts to get bumpy. He bleeds off speed to make that ride better. If this was either pile error, computer error, you get into that vertical instability up and down maybe they have icing on them as well all of a sudden were talking about not one thing will bring down any one aircraft but you put all those three things together all of a sudden we have a problem. The pilot was talking there was very little margin dealing with speed at that altitude t. Speed issue aside, david gal low, we should say you thread search efforts for air flight france 447 which disappeared in the atlantic. All that aside, weather has been the main focus here. Because the pilots relatively experienced the aircraft itself relatively new t. Airline with a flewless safety weather t. Pilot said they were concerned about the weather. Do you see a comparison between this flight and what you studied in air France Flight 447 . Sure absolutely. In many ways its the same situation. They were approaching in fact the same tuned i kind of intertropical convergence cell. In the case of air france 447, they did get icing and the pilots pulled back on that aircraft airbus 330 into a stall. It was that handoff between the computer saying i cant handle the spurious information. You fly the plane, where things started going wrong. We heard from richard and mary schiavo about how these compiled to cause a disaster. So there are some similarities in that regard. Common weather conditions and equipment malfunction with pilot decision there all added up . Its not a matter of shaking the plane apart. Its just causing enough Bad Information so now the computer says i cant deal with this you fly the plane. If they dont make the right moves right off the bat, things can go from bad to worse very quickly. Lets take closer look at the weather, itself what were the condition these pilots were facing asked to move around or go on top of . We have thunderstorms, key called them cvs on the map up to 50 feet tall. They cant get get over the overshooting tops of the thunderstorm. They have to get to what they believe the safest place around as theyre looking at tear radar on the screen on the glass in their cockpit, theyre thinking maybe if we go here lets go better. Lets request to go up here there were thunderstorms in a line all the way, they could have turned left or right for 50 miles and still been in the same type of weather they got into anyway. This was a matter of getting the plane too slow as they approached these things. You know its the reason why we dont fly jets into the hurricane. They are propeler airplanes, because they wont have that problem with a possible wind gust cutting into the direction. Twlr so many things going on here. I dont like 353 knots. Those numbers dont add up. That plane will not flight. As richard said stalling doesnt mean the jets stop running, like your engine stalled. Stalling means one or both of the wings dont fly anymore. It is likely one will create a tilt and all of a sudden you are in an unrecoverable situation. This weather is almost a hurricane without the wind speeds flying around easy wind gusts up to 100 miles around. We of course went through the search for flight 370. Mh 370. Ocean depths of miles and miles. This is a very different area isnt it . We are talking an area not terribly far from shore in busy shipping day. Right. It will have its own chlgs, don, Shallow Water you can have higher tides pumping the search vehicles around the bottom. The visibility can be poor. Its Shallow Water. The other thing is not having a solid one. Its a crisis. Its unbelievable to me. Because even now in this shallow remote controlled area its a huge search haystack to be looking for that needle. Some Aviation Industry executives decided its nornt. Its shameful. Clearly, that is an issue that needs to change. 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During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. Good morning. You are watching new day. Welcome to all of our viewers watching around the world and the u. S. Hope fades fast in the search for airasia 8501 the Aerial Search has been called off for the fight. At this point no sounds of the aircraft have been found. Rescuers say they will be out bright and early scouring the waters for any sign of that aircraft. One official says he believes its at the bottom of the ocean. Andrew. Reporter mikaela yes, are you right. So hopes are fading here even though we had the Vice President of ind feesia live hours ago. I asked him how optimistic he was. He says this is still very much in ra search and recovery mode at the moment but he did also say after 40 hours, it becomes increasingly difficult to see how people could survive, particularly if the plane went down in the sea. We reached 36 hours. It gives you an idea time now becoming absolutely critical. That search yielding nothing. There have been reports of objects being kroited by one of the australian reconnaissance planes that joined this search t. Vice president said they werent sure at this stage where those objects were linked to the missing flight 8501. That continues. It doesnt sound like a promising lead at this stage, mikaela. So again, we now look to the next day searching day two of the full search that is there are some 30 vessels of 15 aircraft searching for what is still a wide zone. And for the families of course here at the Crisis Center it is just heart break on heart break. They are not getb news frustrations are rising. Er that now saying theyre getting more on television than official channels. 150 of the 155 passengers often board were ind feesian, which gives you an idea how big an impact this is having on this entire country. Tremendous grief, its almost palpable. Thank you for that. 34 minutes past the hour. Lets turn to Christine Romans. Thank you. Hundreds gathered for a candlelight vigil in arizona to remember a Rookie Police officer killed in the loan of duty. 24 houryearold Tyler Stewart was shot in the face at close range saturday. They responded to a domestic call in flagstaff the shooter, robin smith, opened fire after stewart asked to pat him down. Funeral services have been set for the second fork city Police Officer gunned down earlier this month. The wake for officer wenjin liu will start saturday. Law enforcement attended the funeral of the part fer. During that service some officers once again turned tear back on the fork mayor bill deblasio. A move bill bratton, commissioner call very inappropriate. Egypt has banned the ridley scott film gods and kings. They objected to him depicted as a child. They claims it contains errors that are not in islam or in the bible. Gamers rejoice, sonys play Station Network fully back online days after it was disrupted in a Christmas Cyber attack. The network was hit with artificially high levels of traffic designed to disrupt connectivity a. Group of hackers called the lizard squad claimed responsible for the attack. The fbi is now investigating. What i did not know is the day after christmas, the biggest day of the 84 for gamers that system went down. At least you got to speak to your teenager for a while on that short day. Thats always good. Christine, thanks so much. We have much more in the continuing coverage for the flight tore air asia flight 8501 well bring you the latest. T on hold for the night after a second day of searching. We are getting a bit of an idea. The plane was flying over the heavily shipping port with relatively Shallow Waters. How does it compare to the mh370 search we know from earlier this year and how long can it take to locate debris . Joining me our former faa inspector and analyst and the author of why planes crash. David, we have the benefit of having this map here. We know this was supposed to be a twoandahalf hour flight. We know the air asia flight took off at 5 36 in the morning. We also know there are terrible terrible thunderstorms in the area. Its quite common to see this type of storm this time of year. Other aircraft have gone through as well. They had been avoiding the specific areas where the clouds have been building. There are different altitudes which you try to be the calmest areas that you can. Other aircraft that have gone through reported at this altitude it was less turbulent than others. All right. Everything seems normal. Two novel hour flight its supposed to be until about 40 minutes into the flight to rise an altitude as you mentioned to that bitter air. They had. This is whats interesting. They have said we need to get to 38,000 feet. While controllers are trying to make that happened. That aircraft was in the way so this aircraft couldnt be approved to go to that. It was never approved. They did execute that client. There is a discrepancy in what the pilots did in reacting to what was going on at the time. You have shown us how these air kwor doors are. This is considered a fairly busy one, correct . Theyre still going through as we speak. There is Nothing Specific that is inappropriate to be flying through. Its an area they know has severe weather, an area that pilots are experienced at. They were experienced at flying through this corridor. The thing that chad was pointing out to us no matter where they would have turned they would have found really bad turbulence, a hurricane without those strong winds swirling. Right. Its the perfect storm. There are two or three that had boxed them in. Right. At that point there is not really a good decision or a good place to go because everything is boxed in. Lets look at the java sea. It hasnt been pinpointed they know this is roughly the area they are looking at. 240 by 240 nautical square miles. Correct . Correct. If it went up to 38 thouchlth feet and ten at that point did a deep stall a. Deep stall is a stall in which the aircraft i aircraft is powering through, trying to climb, climbing at a quicker rate than it could fly at. So the actual air over the wings condition enough to power it through. A pilot would know. Of course you would. Few look at air france 447, the tornado tubes had blocked up. They had nation at all. So the computers are telling it hey, im over here at this altitude or attitude the amount of air is not known by the hour thats how a deep stall would occur. The pilot doesnt have that information to make the reaction. You have planes far smarter than we are. Is there a disconnect . Are we to rely on auto pilot, for example . There has been a lot of discussion about that as you rely on automation you expect it to perform at a certain way. So you are not. You cant go through flying the aircraft and making decisions, especially in storms thinking the automation i have isnt going to work. You have to rely on it at some level. So at some point, its too complex to decide. There is so much on top of the other thing. In the industry we call this the sandpile effect. Can you put so many safety features on and continue to do that. It gives us an avalanche of failures. I dont think were there yet. I really dont. In our recent memory this is what we know. We know that was short of an anomaly. Compare and contrast the search areas, that was a remote deep section not known or mapped. This by contrast is . Thats right. We are trying to see where the initial impact was. What we do know at the point we had communication, the last transmission that sort of information that tells us where it was, however, if it is a deep stall, you dont know which way the aircraft would go. Its potentially going 25 30 miles in any direction. You add that altogether. Are you if that nautical mile area. In the murky water. Its definitely murky. There is a lot of challenges just in terms of searching that area. Again, a need until a haystack. You got to find the haystack. You will be with us all morning him we appreciate it. The anxious families hanging on every update. Their struggle as they await for word on the fate of 8501. We will have that coming up. New political news somewhere we have never been before an actual front runner in the republican field for president in 2016. Who is it and what does it mean for the Democratic Front runner who is that exactly . Stay with us. Ent. For practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a germanengineered volkswagen. Like the sporty, advanced new jetta. And the 2015 motor trend car of the year allnew golf. If youre wishing for a new volkswagen this season. Just about all you need is a finely tuned. Pen. Hurry in to the sign then drive event and get a fivehundred dollar new years bonus on select new volkswagen models. Offer ends january 2nd. We are somewhere we have never ever been before in the race for 2016 the republican front runner according to a new cnbc poll. Jeb bush now leads the field 23 of republicans put their support mind i behind him. This comes a day after he announces he is actively exploring a run. Lets talk about this. Political analyst from the daily beast and cnn political commentator and republican strategist. Jeb is in with 23 . He is the front runner outside the statistical margin of error. To me this is what he has been look at the last few months if i get if i quarterback leading this group of people margaret. Yes, thats exactly right. Hes had a week of a bunch of 250,000 emails released through the freedom of information. He was going to release them. The Washington Post demonstrated he was corresponding frequently with constituents. He has a lot going for him, besides, you know his last name, which was also pretty favorable in a republican primary. Let not get too ahead of ourselves, its not even new years 2015 as we know this is going took full owe even jeb bush is going to have some ups and downs. Hes been out of office for a long time. He has been doing a lot since ten, republican primary voters havent examined what he is up to. So there is going to be a lot of material for to us talk about over the next two years. That is so much fun. Chris christie 13 . Marco rubio not even on the poll what is happening . A poll is a limited utility. 13 months out. But, but, but no no no christine, stop im loving it what is really interesting is what you dont see in this poll. You dont see the name ted cruz you dont see marco rubia, rick perry, people serious mounting races for president , you dont see a standard tea party banner carrier in this poll some thats fascinating, the fact jeb is ahead, Chris Christie in two thats a strong establishment corridor, ben carson if three, thats weird t. Senator nowhere to be safe. There is Something Interesting on the map the top two people jeb bush and Chris Christie thats 36 of the establishment block. They are way ahead, even if you add up all the others there who make up perhaps the tea partyish side of the party. Absolutely. Executive leadership shows, christie is actually doing better in this poll than he has in some previous. We talk about walk people planning for 16, except for rand palmul they are nowhere to be seen. That evangelical corridor of the Republican Base is reflected in huckabee. It will be a factor. Lets move to the democrat in front. Can you pull that poll up . Talk about a number. 66 for hillary clinton. We are looking at a bushclinton lock do you think so early on . Right. Look at that. Certainly, its hard to imagine who comes up behind hillary carolina. Hillary clinton, its hers to win or lose frankly. Its up to her. Thats what those numbers say. That was the conventional wisdom years ago, as my husband got to say. Truly, that itself case here. There is no ensurgent first time senator. Look. Jim webb is going to get in in all likelihood Martin Omalley poor joe biden buried in that pack what is so significant. You cant say enough about. She is pulling six times higher than anybody else in the democratic field. That is unprecedented in the democratic side of the aisle, probably both sides of the aisle its a godzillalike lead. When you have numbers like that this early in the game. There is a president barak obama, in this interview that aired he was talking about the november elections when the democrats took a beating. He calls eight liberating moment. I think he is talking about the decisions he made in cuba with Immigration Reform a liberateing moment. Does that make sense to you, margaret . You know it states that the president wasnt actually interested in giving a go in the last two years of his presidency when a few congress was coming to town. The olive branchs the first 24 hours, ill try to work with the congress and see what happens within they come in. But then he was liberateing, using the force of the executive branch. It demonstrates what we knew the president isnt affluent at working with legislature. He isnt good at getting his initiatives or agendas through congress. He felt free like he didnt need to anymore. I think always you have better legislation if it aligns first through the legislative branch. Republicans are going to need to work with him to pass legislation they want to see, maybe there is trade agreements. This is a liberated lame duck, i think he is saying im in the going to get fooled against by lucy and the football, when republicans are working when they cant control their own caucus he will be on the midterms, he says i am president the next two years, were going to take decisive action. I think he is liberated in his psychology and his actions. Unfortunately, i feel its an entire new congress. Give peace a chance. I said this several times. It is not that, seriously, though its not that there isnt going to be a house of representatives like there was before. There really is new leadership in the senate. Mitch mcdoneconnell and joe biden made it happen. There was this chance to get things done t. President decide he didnt want to deal with it. Happy holidays. Thank you for being here. We are falling on a lot of news this morning, we want to get right through it. Airasia flight lost contact with air Traffic Controllers sunday morning. There have been reports of objects float income search sites, do you know at all if they are linked to what happened . It was to be his last vacation with his family. Passengers trapped on a smoldering greek ferry. One called this to be like the titanic. They should have been able to hold that fire. Good morning, welcome to in the new day. John berman is here. It is monday december 29th. We welcome our viewers from across the country and around the world. A massive search for missing airheir asia flight 8501 turning up empty. Its on hold for the rest of the night. The plane an official said is likely at the bottom of the sea. That aircraft with 160 people on board, including six children and one infant. It suddenly vanished over the java sea on sunday. This flight was airborne 42 minutes flying through rough weather when it lost contact with air track control. Its not clear whether that weather played a el. Reporter there was no distress call made from the cockpit. Indonesian Vice President says it is still a search and rescue Mission Going on there. With the hope of finding survivors, he says is fading fast. We are covering this story from all of the key locations. Andrew stevens has the latest developments from indonesia. Reporter this morning, grim new details as the search for air asia flight 85101 continues. Indonesian authorities think the plane is likely on the bottom of the sea, based on coordinants of the planes last transmission. Its become crisis central. The distraught relatives of the 155 passengers briefed here earlier behind closed doors. Monday marks the first full day since the plane disappeared early sunday morning. So far the plane has not put out any signals that could help pinpoint its location. Instead, crews focus over the Shallow Waters of the java sea where the plane was last tracked. It took off roughly an hour later, air asia says 8501 lost contact, vanishing en route to singapore. They encounterred severe storms that may have contributed to the fate of the passengers and crew. Usually, its not one thing that brings down a plane. For a strong big jet line irto be brought down by turbulence is rare. One theory the plane might have stalled as it climbed to a high altitude. This green screen grab leaked seems to support. One it shows is this particular flight at an altitude of 36,000 feet and climbing but traveling at approximately 105 Miles Per Hour too slow to sustain flight. Reporter cnn could not validate the authenticity of that image. We do know at 6 12 one of the radios took permission to climb from 32,000 feet to 38 thoumth feet. It would be the last known communication from the crew. We are very devastated by whats happened. Its unbelievable. Reporter for these two teenage girls whose parents were aboard the flight all they can do is wait, holding out to hope their families will soon be found. And john the Vice President of indonesia has been telling us very clearly, this is still a search and rescue mission, there is concrete evidence moved for today, you think how big this search has become over the past 12 hours, no signings at all, just behind me ive seen the families of the passengers here being briefed yet again, as far as we can ascertain, there is little news at the moment. As andrew just said the search from theary has been called off, it is now nighttime. Is the dark in the java sea, it is 36 hours since the last contact. Indonesia is getting help from regional allies including the United States for help with technology for under water search. Paula hancocks joins us now from an island in the java sea, which has been the center of the operation. Paula, whats the latest . Well, john that Aerial Search did end about an hour ago. The ships, though are still in the java sea. We understand from officials, theyll continue the search for some hours. But, of course they are relying on spotlight. Its not ideal. Its difficult to see much out there. So really for the Aerial Search we have to wait tore daylight tomorrow morning now on tuesday so we did speak to the head of the search and rescue operation who is based here now, during this search on the island. He basically said they havent been able to narrow the search down at all today. He said the area that theyre looking at is 240 by 240 nautical miles. A very large area. He said they simply dont have the data to be able to narrow that down. As soon as they do they will go straight to that location. I did ask him if he thought there was survivors found. He told me if the plane had landed or crushed into the water, that was highly unlikely. This was several hours ago he told me this him he said there is a small possibility if the plane crashed in the jungle to the east of this area possibly there may be survivors. John. Paula hancocks 36 hours into that search. Indonesian officials telling us ought 40 hours they do not believe there could be any more survivors. You can imagine thats tore chur russ pane for the families of the 162 people on board the planes people crying xrel yelling, demanding answers how a plane can vanish without a trace. Will ripley is live on the ground in beijing we are action. Its very unlikely survivors will be found that. News must have been dpreeted so greeted so grimly will. Its one thing to know the odds its actually different to be somebody awaiting a loved one to come home from a plane, an airplane flight some assume will be safe. There are families in beijing that have loved ones still missing, more than 150, as a matter of fact yet, those people today were sobbing and crying saying they still wait for their loved ones to come home even though that plane has been missing ten months. People here in china know the suffering and anguish airasia flight 8501 are going through right now. They have been living it every single day. That uncertainty of not knowing. The other thing families are hoping for is perhaps closure for these families also they want answers of their own. What must make it so much more difficult is the fact that they witnessed that when mh370 went missing as we all did, knowing thats whats awaiting them must be unbearable. Will ripley thank you so much for that. I want to bring in mary schiavo, department of transportation, she represented victims and families after disasters, former faa inspector, david succi. They said the early conject chur is that this plane is at the bottom of the sea. Those were their words. When i heard that, i was wondering, is that a guess right now based on the lack of information or is there anything concrete pointing to that . Its a balance of information. The fact that they dont have evidence is points to other things. There is evidence the aircraft was in a stall. They are validating information. It was only going 100 some Miles Per Hour. Its not sustainable flight. If the power was on at that point, which it would have been they were in a climb situation in a deep stall. Its almost unrecoverable. It comes from air Traffic Control that shows this flight climbing at 36,000 feet and shows it traveling by some assessments by 100 Miles Per Hour too slowly. Explain to us why then that would be such a risk . Well its such a risk because those altitudes and the weather this plane was likely facing, their Performance Measures for every plane. Every plane has their own chart of what it can actually do. This configuration on the plane, a climb at that speed is getting dangerously close to what we call in these performance charts cost and corner. That means are you at the limits of what a plane can do. A plane has a rate of climb. It has the ability to do certain things not in with a lot of moisture not a lot of rain, et cetera in the air. So this plane was literally at its limits at its climb limits what happens then when it stalls it literally shudders and falls over to one side. You dont have lift over your king i wings. If it stalled. We know it was a relatively new aircraft. We know this airline has a relatively flawless record t. Pilots were fairly experienced, not the most experienced pilots in the world, certainly not novice him we know there are no pings from the black boxes. It doesnt seem like this flight is on land or the surface of the water . Is this pointing to the possibility of a stall or breakup in the air . At this point the evidence shows it is there is no evidence that shows it is not. So thats the direction theyre going right now. Remember the reason we do these scenarios and guess at this is so they can determine where the aircraft might be. You dont know at which direction the aircraft will break off, whether right or left or back in the direction it came from. It seems panful. We get criminal for speculating. That is indeed what were doing. The speculation is for a purpose. That is to find the aircraft. One other thing we know is the last contact between the pilots and air track control. They were requesting per mission to fly above. They were denied that they were given permission to fly around the weather. That was the last that anyone heard from these pilots. Now, you and the experts have been telling us all morning, whether its rarely the cause of an airplane disaster but still you would have to think that the weather here based on what we have heard and what we know is a contributing factor. Right. Well weather is a contributing factor in a great many of aircraft cases, i mean in older days i mean in the 60s and 70s, weather was a huge factor. Whats happened in developed countries, the United States and western europe most of asia is you have so many other things on board radar, inhouse meteorological departments. You kind of avoid that weather. Even in the United States we had cases crashes have been caused flying into level 6 thunderstorms and making wrong decisions. Weather contributes, because of advances in technology at least for most places it has been diminished. We have better information. If they fly into this thunderstorm david, there were reports all over there, what are the challenges that a pilot faces flying through these storms that did appear to exist at the time the flight disappeared. Its a matter of deciding which is the least dangerous. At that point looking at what the situation was, with storms coming from both areas, the clouds building up more quickly than you can climb above them. So all of this is happening at once so you are looking for what is the best situation to go into which is the lesser of two evils, really so thats the situation that pilot versus to face. I want you to back up a seconds here and talk to us from your role as an advocate really for the families of those people involved with flight disasters the ceo of airasia, he has been on twitter. He has been fairly folk e vocal, which seems to me a bit of a departure from what we saw nine months ago, do you think there have been Lessons Learned here if. Well i certainly hope. So i actually give leg cures and talks about how you should better treat the families. The airlines and the governments that do the secrecy routine on families after an accident have you really doing a disservice to themselves and the families because it raises suspicion. You are going to be allowed. A family is going to be allowed to have this information, it is their right. If they dont get it from the airline and from the government they will get it in their ascent losses its the right to have the information about what happened to the family members. So the secrecy as they are some kind of enemy is counterproductive. It hurting everyone involved. It gives a bad impression of the airlines. So hes behaving much more properly i think than some airlines have in the past. But more information is better keep that information flow to the families. Thats what they want. They want to know the answers to everything. Its also a need i think forbe these familyings thanks, so much for being with us. I really appreciate it. Christine romans now, we go there for the other top stories. More than 400 people have been rescued from a burning ferry. Dozens remain trapped on the boat as rescue operations continue. The fire believed to have started in the parking bay. Its been burning well over 24 hours. An investigation into the fire has been launched. A major turning point in afghanistan as the u. S. Ends its role in the combat country. More than a trillion dollars and the deathings of 2,200 service men and women. President obama says its coming to a quote responsible conclusion. Some 10,000 american troops whether remain in the country to advise and assist Afghan Security forces. Two suspects opened fire on two Police Officers driving in their patrol car. Lapd now calling it a premeditated attack t. Officers not injured, returned fire one suspect was arrested. The second suspect remains on the run and is considered armed and dangerous. Investigators sayitative recovered two weapons used in that shooting. The controversy surrounding sony pictures. The film raked in get this more than 15 million through online sales in its first four days of release. Sony says the movie was rented on purchased online more than 2ple times t. Comedy took in about 3 million bucks at hundreds of theaters showing that movie. Reviews . Exactly what you thought it was going to be. Its crude humor. Its exactly what you thought. That is a much nicer review than i have anywhere. Most of the reviews say the film is not very good. So this is a whole lot of publicity, you know. For not a good move. Its worth 6 not worth when the. That pretty much sums it up. Strong words from brian. We are following breaking news this morning, missing flight airasia 8501. So many questions. Was bad weather to blame . What about what the pilots were doing . 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Concern is driving near the top of storm clouds as a pilot, we focus on icing, turbulence and hail are the three we focus the most on. There are some similarities here. It will be an Interesting Development in this accident. As we said early stages rich we know there has been some speculation and conversation surrounding the top, relying too heavily on auto pilot. We know after the investigation in san francisco, that was certainly a conversation. What are your thoughts on that . Do you think that could have been a potentially contributing factor here . Its not so much relying on auto pilot, itself its relying on the entire suite of avionics that now restt this cockpit. So much particularly particularly the airbus and a 320 so much of that aircraft is designed for the pilots to not to be so much involved with the mechanics of flying but rather mechanics of Monitoring Systems and aviation and aeronautics. Thats really the why. Many pilots many trainers. Many of those people responsible, the teaching pilots today say not enough pilots are learning raw piloting skills. Interesting. The phrase they use is airmanship. If you look up both 447 and you look at all the other recent incidents, you always come back to this same question. Were the pilots properly trained to fly the aircraft into an unusually small number of categories . Yes, they learn how to do an engine failure on takeoff. That may happen never. But are they used to hand flying the aircraft at altitude . Theyre not encouraged to do it. Many of them have never done it. What are your thoughts sean . I saw you, you dont necessarily agree . Well you know i think it goes beyond what richard is saying. He is correct. It is a training issue. But there the a bicker problem here. Its a design issue. We are the ones designing and as an engineer and a former airline pilot. I can tell you the way these autopation suites are designed we have terrible feedback. The pilots are, we move so much from the solution is not to train away the bad design. The solution is for better design. Im not sure this plays any role obviously, in this accident. Since we are talking about an automation type concepts there is two sides to that training the training doesnt solve bad design problems. I think the reports are not shown on this. The reports the recent reports from air accident investigators time and again, 447 is a classic example of this. It points out again and again the need to improve the training of true in many countries. Let be blunt about this in many countries where there may be a lower standard of airmanship. Ive had senior people both airbus and boeing say they do not design these planes for the likes of british airways, lufthansa, united delta, which have an exceptional level of training for pilots. They design them. In many case, developing countries, where the pilots and the level of training may not be to the same high standard. Thats the truth. No one will say that thats the issue. I understand these will be conversations we will be having in the coming days and weeks. I want to pull back to this exact scenario here sean why is it we dont know of a mayday call issued . We know it was four minutes after the plane was operated after they had increased altitude four minutes, there was nothing. Why was there no mayday called . So considerations here. First of all, this is not uncommon. This is something we have seen over the last 40plus years with air carrier accidents. But there are two things to think about here. One would be where they were unable calm for some reason a fire some problem where they were disabled or more likely its a task saturation. As a cognitive engineer we look at cognitive band width and the ability to all the things that have to be done when a serious catastrophic event occurs t. First thing is not always the key to mic. I never had the loss of an aircraft i have been flying. I had my share of in flight emergencies, can i tell you that key to mayday is not saying one or two things are you thinking about doing. Twlr a lot more that needs to be done. Its a task saturation issue is what we have seen historically. It lb interesting how it plays out once we get the vcr. We go back to previous examples sean is right, if you look at 447, if you look at 370. Mh1711. They never have time to look at time to push the button. That four minutes is basically the length of the time it takes to get from 36 to 38,000 feet no fall out of the sky. Thats how long it took for air france 447 to actually fall out the sky. What a grim prospect. Ripped sean great to have your experience and knowledge to help us out. Thanks so much. All right. Thanks mikaela. The aircraft the airline, pilot experience. These are all issues surrounding airasia flight 8501 what do they say now about the st. Ate of air safety . The search for flight airasia 8501. Crews will be added again on Tuesday Morning scouring the ocean for any sign any evidence of that missing plane. A top official says the aircraft is likely at the bottom of the java sea. They say thats their best conjecture again, they have no concrete evidence of that. We will go live on the ground in ind foesia. Whats the latest . Reporter john that lean you just mentioned about authorities here saying its most likely that the plane is at the bottom of the sea, certainly is not resonating well here where, of course most of the families are gathering. The frustrations are running higher. They want more information, they say they are getting more information from tv than the local authorities. Its a frustrating position all around. You point out, there has been 30 vessels, 15 aircraft involved from four countries and still no concrete sign. There were reports that the Australian Air force, i asked the Vice President jusuf kalla leading this entire search the project, where it was linked those objects were linked to the downed 8501. He said it was too early to say. Speaking to analysts its seems unlikely. At the moment the frustrations are very clear t. Families have finished yet another briefing with the authorities and with air asia still so little to go on. Just interesting, john just one point id like to make is when you walk out behind me just 20 paces, there is a manifest of the passengers aboard. What strikes you is the number of multiple surnames families bakal i, who are on that flight. This is a holiday time of 84. A lot of people do travel from indonesia to a strongly chinese part of anything is more Ethnic Chinese enclave. So a lot of families on that plane, very very heart wrenching to sea, the member was remain are here asking questions, still getting no answers. I think its sad for them confusing for them and frustrating as this time ticks on. Thanks so much. We go to Christine Romans for the top stores. The other big headline 4 fine people have now been res cowed from a burning ferry in the adriatic sea between gross and italy. Thats all the remaining passengers and crew on the ship. Five people have now been confirmed dead. The fire believed to have started in the parking bay, there are some 222 cars on this or vehicles on this ship burning for well over 24 hours. An investigation no that fire has now been launched. Hundreds gathered in arizona to remember a Rookie Police officer killed in the lean of duty. 24 houryearold Tyler Stewart was shot in the face at close range saturday as he responded to a domestic disturbance call in flagstaff. Police say the suspected shooter, 28yearold robert smith, opened fire after stewart asked to pat him down. Smith then shot and killed himself. Former president george h. W. 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Renee marsh is exploring this for us she is live if washington with more. Mikaela, its been a major headline, mohr times than we would like. Commercial jets with lives on board, ending in a fatal crash. This morning we have a reality check. The disappearance of 162 people on board airasia is the second missing passenger plane in Southeast Asia in less than a year. It is eerie. It was unusual or its just kind of spooky that this would happen in this area but we dont know the facts yet. Reporter after nearly ten months Malaysia Airlines flight 370 and the 239 people on board have still not been found. Authorities are convinced the boeing 777 crashed in the indian ocean. Malaysia there is good evidence to indicate it was flown a long long ways and again most likely as a criminal act by a rogue pilot or introud intruder or Something Like that. Reporter just four months later, july 17th, Malaysia Airlines would suffer another loss. Prorussian rebels are blamed for shooting mh17 out of the sky using a surfacetoair missile. All 278 people on board that boeing 777 died. One week later, more than 100 people perished after flight 5017 it disappeared after changing its flight path because of bad weather t. Disappearance of airasia flight 8501 is the fourth commercial plane disaster of 2014 t. Former managing director of the ntsb says the skies are still safe. I think when you look at the overall pick there may have been 600 fatalities in aviation. That is a low rate when you compare it to the massive numbers of people flying today. Reporter to that point, aviation expanded at an extraordinary rate. More people are flying. Its more accessible. When you look at the accident rate in relation to the millions of ones flying the Safety Record is truly extraordinary, particularly here in the United States. So thats the reality check this morning. Mikaela. John. All right, renee, thanks for that its a good reminder to us when we take into consideration whether we travel by air. Are there reasonable areas of concern . We will talk about that we will bring in miles obrian and cnn boeing 777 flight and contributing editor for flying magazine. We know when we compare this area with mh370. We are talking Different Airlines different aircrafts. Different circumstance nevertheless have you two planes taking off from ub know airports in Southeast Asia one is still missing. One has gone two days without being found anyway. Is there some reason for concern for travelers flying in that part of the world . Well i think, you know statistically, there is not much reason or concern as you pointed out, this is still a safe way to travel but i will tell you this that the asia is an extremely fast growing aviation market. Its very difficult for them to keep up with the demand and frankly keep qualified pilots int cockpits because the demand is so great. So one of the Big Questions we should be asking all of us is are the standard up to snuff for training pilots if that part of the world. There has been so much pressure to meet the demand they might be cutting corners here and there, which might be leading to perhaps bad decisionmaking in the cockpit. You are a commercial pilot, when you hear what myles, you know, says, what do you think of that . You have flown i am sure in every type of scenario have you experience in the cockpit. You know what it takes to be a pile of one of these big airliners. What are your thoughts . Well you know this event, i mean theres things that myles say that may very well be true or bring to us that direction, but this event at this point in time doesnt have any, we dont have enough information to say there is an indication that it has something to do with Pilot Training at this point. The decisionmaking process, were just going by a transmission that requested a higher altitude. That could have been the experience of a well seasoned pilot that said hey, its rough down here i want to make my ride more comfortable as opposed to what we call top a thunderstorm. Myles, the aircraft itself relatively new. The airline, airasia a flawless Safety Record. So anything here in this case that serves as kind of a warning sign to you . Well its just what les said would he have seen that huge thunder head ahead of him perhaps topping at. Lets finish that question would you, heads, have tried to fly through it. Above it . Whichwhat those pilot versus to do or around it which they also ask . Its a great question generally speaking our goal in life is to avoid it totally. It would be a left or right turn is what it comes down to. To top it thats sometimes if we can see it visually its an art to play with the radar tilt antenna. We can say, yeah, you know it looks like we can top it. Its not something we would do on a regular basis, we would rather go left or right. This time of year so many people are traveling. It puts a little fear in all of our bellys, a plane going missing him could we show the statistics, though if terms of plane fatalities by year this is according to aviation safety network, 2010 was by far the worst year 9 free lives lost. There are safer skies. Generally are there not . We made tremendous improvements. I feel more comfortable getting into my jet going to work than down the west side highway to come here to the time warner building. Its between Pilot Training between theational were 81 gradeing our atc, air Traffic Control system. Were doing a lot of things that make this even safer. The accessible. If you look at the pictures here now, everyone can fly. That is written on the side of these aircraft. We talk about the fast growing part of the world, where you can get a 320 and fly thousands of thousands of people would not have had that access. It is very very difficult when Something Like this happens for the airline t. Stock of this Company Areas are down 8. 5 today t. Ceo Tony Fernandes tweeting this is his worst nightmare. He has been out there talking to passengers and customers, keeping positive staying strong. He says my heart bleeds for the crew and passengers nothing is more important to us. So its really a challenge for this company even as Companies Like the very highly rated companies, bringing access to people who never would have been able fly for this fare. Myles, picking up on what christine says when you have firsthands like this does this put a chill over the entire air industry . You know we really should john this is what makes af aviation so safe. We all learn from mistakes frankly, pilots spend an awful lot of time talking about these scenarios with the hope we all learn something from it. If you dont stop take stock, get that chilledesque you are not going to make aviation safer. The term that we use, its bored. The rules are written in blood. It is the crashes which makes us safe. What worries me here we tend to see repeats of events in this case i see at early stages here, a lot of similarities with air france 447. There are outstanding questions on that that may have been addressed. We will keep asking the questions. Thank you so much. The mystery deepening into the missing airasia jets. No sign of that aircraft as the aerial portion of the search is called off for the night. We will bring you the latest developments ahead. North korea pointed the finger at the United States for internet outages last woke. They also have some frankly insulting words for president obama. Flat out racist. Find out what north korea is now saying. Thats next. U. S. And north korea. North korea accused president obama of being behind last weeks internet outajs and called president obama worthless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest. Lets bring this our guests. Thanks for joining us. If youre the fbi investigating this hack and responses to the hack now this new race baiting language. Do you ignore it . Does it play into the investigation . What is that about . Good morning christine. Basically you ignore it. You let it stand and let the rest of the world see what youre dealing with with the regime in north korea. As far as the fbi, its interesting last week north korea said we didnt do the attack on sony, but if you keep insulting us well do it again harder. Something to that effect. Also the request theyd like to Work Together in solving the sony hacking case. Theyve made of many goofy statements over the last several weeks you cant take them as being responsible. Will ripley noting the irony of the country so outraged would turn around and insult a leader taking it to the next step. Let me ask you about the shutdown of the north korean internet. Do you think the u. S. Was behind that . Is the response u. S. Said it would do at its own time and choosing . I dont think so. I think regular garden variety hacker did say it for sport. I dont think that was the government response to this. Thats the thing. When you look at hackers and all that they use malware thats out there on the dark web that looks like it comes from somewhere else. Its hard to track the origin of something. What do u. S. Investigators do at this point . What is their proof that north korea is behind all this . The investigation included more than just using the use of malware thats available on the internet to other hackers. I think that really from the u. S. Standpoint theyre not going to be goated into revealing exactly the technology and techniques that enabled them to point the finger at north korea. Theyre going to say we know thats where it came from and were not going to lay our cards on the table and give up our secrets because they want to know. Escalations of insults a side do you think the United States had made response yet to North Koreans for what United States says is north koreas attacking sony . I dont think so. I agree with tom. This is more an outside group than the United States. United states when it responds and it should would do it in a fashion that really affects something. It will affect the eight computers that they have connected to the internet. This is not something that was really planned out. I think theres other things that will take place. I think we ought to sit back and just watch. Were not going to put up with this kind of non sense anymore. What do you think north koreas next move is . I think all they can do is talk. They have very little if any infrastructure. If indeed and theres still debate as tom alluded to theres an investigative process it has to go through. Initial indicators is that there were connections to North Koreans. If that indeed follows out to the end, then we have an answer. Then we can start doing other things. Right now i think its going to be koreans running their mouths off about things, being insulting and saying we didnt do it but do it worse if we wanted to. Theres a lot of double talk. Let me ask you about senator Lindsey Graham and what he said about the chinese. Listen to what he told our dana bash. He told dana bash he would really be surprised if chinese werent somehow behind it. North koreans dont do anything without the chinese knowing about it. What do you think about the china angle . China controls the the availability of energy and currency into north korea. How important is china in this . I think its interesting. All this every since north korea has been able to get anything going as far as hacking goes theyve been trained by the chinese. Thats the connection. Chinese are extremely well trained, train people outside. North korea is one of their prime students. With the resources they can get by working and operating out of china, getting the training, they become formerable. Thanks for joining us. Breaking news on air asia flight 8501. What happened to the aircraft clues investigators are foe focussing on are just ahead. Your credit is in pretty good shape. Pretty good . I know i have a 798 fico score thanks to the tools and help on experian. Com. Kaboom. Well, i just have a few other questions. Chuck, the only other question you need to ask is, what else can you do for me . Ill just take a water. Get your credit swagger on. Become a member of experian credit tracker and find out your fico score powered by experian. Fico scores are used in 90 of credit decisions. vo nourished. Rescued. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. Thanks. [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable Global Commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. Great job. mandarin cut it out. See you tomorrow. Air asia flight lost contact with air Traffic Controllers sunday morning. There have been reports of objects floating do you know if theyre linked to the missing plane . Early a assumption is that a the plane is at the bottom of the sea. Passengers trapped a board a smolders greek ferry. One of the survivors compared this to the titanic. Visibility is very bad. Good morning. Welcome to new day. It is monday, 29th day of december 8 00 in the east. My kayla along with john. Christine romans is here. We want we want to welcome viewers from around the globe. A missing air asia plane so far turned up nothing. An official saying they believe it is likely at the bottom of the java sea. The air search will resume at day break. The aircraft was on its way to singapore sunday when it suddenly dropped off the radar. The plane had been in the air 42 minutes when it hit rough weather and lost contact with air Traffic Control. Its not clear if that played a role in the aircrafts mysterious disappearance. The Vice President made clear the hope of finding survivors is fading fast. That region grappling with the flight mh370 that went missing earlier this year. We want to bring in Andrew Stephens live on the ground for the latest. Good morning andrew. Good morning john. As you see, it started to rain here surabaya. Authorities hoping the the weather will clear up for when the search resumes. The search area is getting bigger and number of vessels and planes involved is also getting bigger. Today, first full day of the search has been a day of frustrations for authorities and particularly families of the passengers as well. This morning, grim new details as it has search for air asia flight 8501 continues. Indonesian authorities leading the search think the plane is likely on the bottom of the sea based on coordinates of the planes last transmission. Here at surabaya airport, its crisis central. The deistraught relatives are briefed behind closed doors. So far the plane has not put out signals to help pinpoint the location. Instead crews focus on this broad search zone over the Shallow Waters of the java sea where the plane was last tracked at 5 36 a. M. The air bus 320 took off. Roughly an hour later, air asia a says 8501 lost contact with air Traffic Control vanishing on route to singapore. Weather reports indicate the pilots encountered severe storms that may have contributed to the fate of the passengers and crew. Its not rare for a large jetliner to be brought down by turbulence. This graph reportedly leaked by an air Traffic Controller supports the theory. It show this is particular flight at altitude of 36,000 feet and climbing but traveling at approximately 105 Miles Per Hour too slow to sustain flight. Cnn could not validate the authenticity of that image. We do know at 6 12 a. M. One of the pilots radioed for permission to avoid clouds by turning left and climbing from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet. It would be the last known communication from the crew. We are devastated by whats happened. Its unbelievable. We do not know whats happened yet. These two teenage girls whos parents were a board the flight all they can do is hope. So desperately sad for families. 150 passengers were indonesians. Many coming from this city of surabaya. Many families are are here constantly waiting for information that is just not forth coming at the moment. Got a few hours before the search ramps up again. The Vice President telling us earlier its a search and rescue operation. As these hours tick past its hard to see anything other than bad news coming out of this story about 8501. So much frustration and grief. Andrew thank you for. That we appreciate it. We know other countries, singapore, malaysia and australia have joined the search for that plane. Indonesia reached out to countries including the United States for underwater search technology. We want to turn to paula in indonesia. What else do we know paula . Reporter well michaela in theory the ships can continue to search throughout the night. They have spotlights. In pitch black in the java sea, its not ideal conditions to be looking for remnants of this plane. So of course at first light tomorrow on tuesday morchning is when this search will continue once again. This island is basically one of the islands closest to the last known location of this plane. Weve been seeing helicopters coming in throughout the day and planes coming to refuel debrief, find out where they need to go next. Thats the crucial part. Its a very large area that the search and rescue operation is undertaking. 240 by 240 nautical miles. According to the head of the search and rescue effort at the airport, he says they havent managed to narrow it down at all. Theyre still looking at the wide area. They dont have the data to know where the location is of this plane. Theyre coordinating off into sections trying to be systemic so they dont miss or overlap areas. There are a number of ships and in daylight areas a number of aircraft as well. Challengeingeing conditions to be sure. Thanks. Family members of passengers on this flight have are to be going through agony now. For more on their reaction and what theyre told lets go to will ripley covering that angle are there. With no answers for family members of those on board, theres going to be increasing frustration and anguish that were already seeing. One thing thats happening differently in this case unlike mh370 where relatives were coming to media wailing many front of news cameras desperate for information were seeing things handled differently in this case. Family members have been given special areas away from cameras where theyre briefed before information is released to media. As information comes in even though there arent many answers now, families are learning that first before its announced to the rest of the world. They dont have to hear on television or internet. Here in china, where there are 154 missing passengers on flight 370, this is front page news. Just to show you how difficult this is for these people. 10 months later, one woman told the paper, all i want is my husband who was on flight 370 to return home. Its still hard for them to accept all these months later their loved ones are gone from flight 370. Imagine the anguish of the families of air asia flight are feeling continuing now going on ten months in china and elsewhere. Empathy for family members of those on board flight 8501. They have the right to know facts as they come in. Thanks so much will. Lets look at facts. We have cnn aviation analyst and former Inspector General of department of transportation represents families and victims and their families after disasters. Also former faa safety inspector, author of why planes crash. The two of you are invaluable to us especially at a grief stricken time. Thank you for being here. We heard from the search and rescue agency. They said the early trajectory is the plane is at the bottom of the sea. They say the coordinate given to them is the middle of the sea. When they talk about this coordinate are they talking about the last radio transition in. Right. Also information sent through the secondary radar that tells what location the aircraft was, what direction and is the flight speed of the aircraft at the time they lost communication. The search area is any type of area that it could have gone to from that point. Mary i imagine this is very little comfort to the family members. Youve represented families and victims after airline disasters. What kind of significance does a Statement Like that have to them . Well its a terribly devastating statement. Its really important they heard it first from the airlines and from the airline and officials before hearing it on the news. Over the years ive represented many families. Theyre terribly upset and angry when news comes across their tv screens that they havent been briefed by the airline who is responsible by law and certainly by any other standard for their loved ones on their planes and customers. It was just the most did he stating news anyone could receive, but they are very very grateful when theyre given the facts. They dont want to be fed a line if anything. Give them the facts. Thats the thing they say over and over again, the truth. Truth and transparency is. Weve heard that time and time again. In terms of the search and investigation david, if theyre saying they likely believe its at the bottom of the ocean. It helps foe cuss the investigation. 240 by 240 nautical square mile area. Thats larger than the area mh370 is searched for now. Thats incredibly large. The reason for that is the fact they do have a point at which the aircraft lost communication. From that point forward it gets sketchy. Theres no communication, dont know where it went. Especially the deep stall situation. They believe happened right in a deep stall situation, an aircraft can come out in any direction. We dont know if it went back the way it came. The air over the top of the wing literally stops over the top and loses lift. At that point the aircraft has to maintain and hopefully gain enough speed to get over the wings to fly again. At that point it could drift any direction. Mary some of the avionics on board would give us information or not . Would they fail in a deep stall situation and not allow transmission of that data . Not likely. The airplane would continue to put out signals, particularly a 6yearold air bus. We dont know if they had the same system on air france 447 which sends out system status updates. And that the plane continues to broadcast regardless of the pilots action. The pilots dont have to send communications. The plane tells the airline base whats going on with the aircraft. If the they have those messages the plane would send them out regardless of what is going on in the cockpit. This was the air bus 320. Thats the same type of airplane that sullen burger was able to water land right . It is but the conditions are vastly different. I was at laguardia the day sully did that landing. Waters were calm. He wasnt fighting thunderstorms. It was miraculous what they did, but this isnt that kind of situation. Seas would have been rough. Any deviation on the wing tips on a water landing would have set it on its side and probably had a tumbling effect on the plane. We know the weather was really bad in that area. Add to it it was bad, thunderstorms they were trying to fly around above or below. In terms of the search area and important hours and minutes after the plane disappeared the search efforts hampered by that as well. Shallower water. Its a heavily traveled trade route and flying route. Is there a chance that anybody might have seen something . There is. If there was something seen that would be the area. Theres ships and aircraft in the area. Communication between the aircraft is possible even though it may not have gotten back to the air Traffic Control center. Theres a lot of pluses and things that would indicate. The fact its been so long now, i would have expected them to find something today. Theyre searching tonight. Its harder at night obviously. It is a little harder however at night using spotlights things floating on the top of the water show up better. There are advantages to a night search. We talked about the request from the pilot to fly higher altitude to get above the thunderstorm. They were able to do that yet we also know there was no may day signal let out. Does that seem theres discrepancy asking for altitude change but not having enough time to put out a may day call . There was no may day call and no response from the authority to go to 38,000 feet. They made the request to go from 32,000 to 38,000 feet and make a left turn. By the time the aircraft responder made that and got back to them there was no response. The Actual Authority for them to make the climb was not made. A final thought from you mary. Weve heard from aviation experts, fairly strong admonishments towards the Airline Industry for not having equipped these airliners with more communication tools. More ability to track them at every moment. Im curious to your thoughts on that. Well i think at this day and age, theres no excuse for it. The kind of technology its already here. We dont have to wait to develop it. Those planes could be sending out continueous signals. With continuous downloads from equipment which is readily available. You have to describe to the service and do it. This type of anguish could be avoided. I think the nations of the world, the aviations nations have to get together. Thats the only way its going to happen make it law and say were moving into the 21st century. We heard those calls after mh370 went missing and hearing them again. Mary a david, thanks for joining our conversation. We appreciate it. Rescue crews off the coast of greece with heroic efforts. They have saved 419 people from the burning ferry that was heading for italy. The smoke and flames just engulfed a huge part of that ship. All passengers are now off the vessel. Thats good news. Theres also grim news received this morning. Five people are confirmed dead. Max foster has the latest details. Good morning max. You know john imagine standing on the deck of a burning ship overnight in freezing temperatures. Many lifeboats not working. Just waiting to be wenched from safety. That was the horror story many had to endure overnight. Its 24 hours these ferry passengers will never forget. Theyre the first group rescued by sea. After a full night of waiting, its their first glimpse of daylight and dry land in the italian port. Pulled from danger on sunday after the ferry the Norman Atlantic caught fire off the greek island carrying 478 people. Treacherous seas high force winds and thick smoke acting as a wall between rescue teams and passengers. Helicopters circled above. The pain staking and risky extraction began hoisting passengers one by one to safety. Then lowering them back down again onto surrounding merchant ships also battling the seas. On board, the fire raging. Officials believe the inferno sparked from the ships garage. One explaining the rubber on soles of their shoes melting. Freezing temperatures whipped through those waiting for their turn to be air lifting. One passenger saying its like the titanic. Italian Authorities Say at least five have died. One man after he jumped or fell off the ferry. The injured were airlifted straight to a hospital in southern italy where medics have been on stand by. The fire on board now under control with all remaining passengers now accounted for. Still unclear what caused this fire john. The italian prosecutors have launched a criminal investigation and are considering negligence. All right max foster. Good news for all passengers now off the vessel. Lets get to Christine Romans. Breaking in the last hour president s of russia and ukraine meet face to face next month. They will sit down january 15th with leaders from francisco and germany to media. The two have been locked in a battle over the area of Eastern Ukraine over a year now. A fragile truce has been holding as of late. The deaths of 2200 troops the combat mission in afghanistan is officially over. U. S. And nato forces transferred to afghanistan sunday. President obama says the war on afghanistan is coming to a successful conclusion. Troops will remain in afghanistan. That was the longest war in american history. Funeral services set for the second new york city Police Officer gunned down earlier this month. The wake for officer wenjian liu will be sunday. His partners funeral ramos was sunday. During the service, officers turned their back on new york mayor bill de blasio a move bill blatton called very inappropriate. This world war ii vet isnt running for exercise. 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Happening now, the search for air asia 8501 the air search is over for the day in the waters of indonesia and singapore. Authorities are looking for possible answers as to why the plane went off radar in the first place. We know the plane encountered bad weather. Planes fly through bad weather a lot. Did the pilot make a decision that may have led to perhaps something going wrong with this flight. Joining me to talk about this cnn aviation correspondent Richard Quest and pbs science correspondent miles o bryant. I want to start with you. One piece of information was the screen grab from air Traffic Control showing this flight on radar giving a sense perhaps it was flying too high too slowly ascending past 36,000 feet perhaps flying richard 100 Miles Per Hour too slowly. Whats the risk there . What would that mean if this image is in fact accurate . What a that would mean is as the plane is climbing it doesnt have enough need to keep the lift under the wings. One air bus pilot told me yesterday knowing about this particular radar graph, he said when ever he is climbing at altitude 32 to 38,000 feet hes careful to make sure he keeps the speed robust. Keeps the power on because that altitude the envelope safety margin thats ever narrower because it has air is thinner and the speed is greater, it becomes much more difficult. Now thats not to say its an unsafe procedure by any means. It is more challenging, particularly if you are also at the same time battling the question of whether to fly around storm clouds and also looking at other areas. That seems to be where this is heading at the moment. Of course they were dealing with bad weather there. Miles, i want to bring you into this discussion. It does seem there are possible similarities between whats happening here and not necessarily mh370 but air france 447 and what that flight experienced flying through weather issues and what happened to that aircraft. What are the similarities between these two incidents . Lets start off with the weather conditions. Were talking about the identical weather pattern that causes huge thunderstorms, inter tropical convergence zones where the largest thunderstorms on earth occur. Air france 447 flew into one of those thunderstorms as apparently did air asia. We have to ask the decision to penetrate a thunderstorm is the question to focus on. The pilot asked for a turn to avoid the thunderstorm. Youre really supposed to see the aircraft manuel which are 20 miles clear of one of these storms. Might have been a 50 mile turn which of course takes time and fuel. Who knows what the Decision Making was. Maybe the idea was fly over the top of the storm. En seasoned pilots tell you this is a chancy conclusion. This brings up the flight in san francisco. The decision pilots make and fly on their own opposed to auto pilot flying the plane. Are pilots equipped enough at this point, getting the reps they need flying these aircraft all on their own without auto pilot . Are some becoming too reliant. That is the number one issue in aviation in commercial aviation with new pilots at the moment. Its the unspoken if you like. Many dont want to talk about it. The planes are built with a level of sophistication that is in itself challenging. It means that too many pilots are learning the art of computer flight management systems. The different avionics on board. The airman ship required lets just talk 447 and air asia. Both cases, from france and ntsb from United States said the better training for flying in difficult conditions was required. We dont know what happens in this case. For instance in air asia these pilots will have been use to crisscrossing this particular zone of bad weather. This would be an everyday because theyre used to it in this area. Why this should have happened in this case we will have to wait for boxes to be discovered. Miles, let me use that to pivot a different issue. Why havent we heard anything from this point from the black boxes, why no pings . What could that mean . Its still pretty early. We have some rough indication of where it was based on the last radar contact. Again, this brings up this issue which we keep talking about on this idea of having some better rules of the road for track these aircraft. The International Aviation community is trying to adopt some new rules, particularly in wake of mh370. Prior to that air france 447 which would give a better indication of where these airlines are. Its amazing for those of us that walk around with iphones that are able to pinpoint our own location. Its time to come up with a better way of doing this. You say its amazing. Also call it a travesty. You talk to people in the industry including executives. What possible excuse could there be at this point for not having a better system . None frankly. None. Theyve gone around these so many times. Theres a lot of interests involved. Airlines say not all have capacity and financial or whatever. This Organization Works by consensus. Got to get agreement from everybody. Good luck with that. The best body around to do this, they have a proposal on the table, meant to be discussing it now. Its going to their governing council. Most ceos dont want to be mandated to do it but they know theyve got to do it. Whats happening now is more and more airlines are going their own way and actually doing it. If youre going to wait for some new rule look john after mh370 theyre still arguing about this, that and the other. The reality is its a disgrace. Lets not talk about it anymore and actually doing in. Richard and miles, great to have you. Really appreciate it. Michaela. Well have more on the desperate search for air asia 8501. That search area will be expanded tomorrow. Were learning that just now. Also recent deadly encounters involving police calls for action. Well tell you about a bill meant to reduce Deadly Police interactions within africanamerican communities. One, search for airasia 8501 will be expanded tuesday to include four additional areas around the existing zones. The search is now suspended overnight. So far, no signals have been detect ed from the missing jetliners emergency transmitters. 419 people have been rescued from the ferry that caught fire off the coast of greece. Five people were killed in that disaster. The combat mission in afghanistan officially over. Some 10,000 american troops will remain in afghanistan to advise and assist Afghan Security forces. Russian president putin and pro shan co will meet next ho. Election ryan is fired as coach of the new york jets. John idzik are going with hip. Thats why they call it black monday. Were all the updating. Go to cnn. Com for the latest. Bell belichick still the coach for the patriots. Were still covering information about the search area just in that the area will be expanding. A new bill meant to track police abuse could help bring down the number of deadly encounters. How though . Were going to ask the congressman taking on that issue. So youre looking for a loan . Hows your credit . I know i have an 810 fico score, thanks to the tools and help on experian. Com. And your big idea is hot dogs shaped like hamburgers . Nope. Hamburgers shaped like hot dogs. Thats not really in our wheelhouse. You dont put it in a wheelhouse. You put it in your mouth. Get your credit swagger on. Become a member of experian credit tracker and find out your fico score powered by experian. Fico scores are used in 90 of credit decisions. Calls for action have grown in recent months in the wake of several deadly confrontations with police. Right now you may have surprised theres no single Clearing House for records of Police Involved incidents. One member of Congress Wants to change that and hopes reporting more data can help reduce the number of deadly confrontations. Want to bring in stephen cohen. Thanks for being with us. Explain to us because i think people are surprised. What records do not exist at this point when it comes to Police Involved incidents . Theres no requirement of reporting of killings or shootings of police using deadly force. Last day of congress there was a bill that got through which was commendable that requires reporting some details including the use of deadly force by an officer. Reporting who the victims are. My bill would include the victim and the officer and the officer being allowed to say in a record why he kept deadly force, what non lethal forms of force he tried to use and better explanation of what went on. This needs to be known to have a clear record of where and when deadly force is used and if its used in excess in this country. You were an attorney that dealt with police forces. How would this single clearinghouse of information like this how would it help perhaps reduce these confrontations . I think its puts the focus on the issue that needs to happen from the objective perspective. Right now theres been focus because of the brown killing and garner killing and particularly cleveland killing which i cant see justification for at all. If theres a National Study and highlights brought to these incidents, maybe people will see whether or not there is institutionalle racism and if there needs to be better training of office in the use of deadly force. I was a Police Attorney three and a half years. I know how difficult it is. They put their hearts on the line. Our hearts go out to the families of the officers in new york. I came to tears on that nevertheless you need to rule out bad apples. This will be looking into the shootings of africanamericans by caucasians. This will focus on how to improve the issue. Is there a Clearing House record kept on cops now . Not now. That could be the flip side that might be useful in studying these types of things. Along that subject and again, your experience as an attorney who worked with police i want to talk about what happened here in new york city over the weekend. The wake and funeral for one of the officers shot so tragically one week ago. When the mayor bill de blasio was speaking a number of officers turned their backs on him at this service because of his support i think for protestors on the streets here in the wake of the grand jury decision on eric garner. You can see the video there of them turning their backs. Let me play sound from Police Commissioner bill bratton on what he thought of this action by certain police. He is the mayor representing the citizens of new york to to express remorse and regret of their death. It was inappropriate. He says its inappropriate. What were your feelings when you saw that . I think its inappropriate. They work for the mayor. They should have a certain respect for the system. Sure its a protest. That was a protest. Still, its their boss. The police are supposed to follow certain propertytocols. They are part of new yorks governmental structure. They should not have done that. I understand their concerns. De blasio expressed frustrations. His son is half africanamerican and could face the same prospects of racial profiling. I believe racial profiling exists. We need to do the study. I think the best job of writing about why this is necessary. You write out bad priests that have bad practices against children. Rule out bad teachers. Doesnt mean youre against education. If you rule out bad cops doesnt mean youre anticops. How do you do that without creating so much tension that is among the vast majority that almost all police around the country that really want to just keep the streets safe . It has to be finetuned. Records will give us perspective and opportunity to see if the facts justify. If facts justify and departments arent choosing in cleveland they didnt go look at this guys background. He was released by some small town mayberry force. They hired him in cleveland. Thats shocking. The civil case should be interesting. The police need to do a better job of who they hire and how they train people. This should be happy new years to new day. Thank you. Why not start celebrating now . Well have more on the airasia flight 8501. Investigators think the plane is probably at the bottom of the java sea. Next were live with the search crews, what theyre fact, and how this search is effort compares to the ten month search of mh370. Narrator this is the storm sea captain theres a storm comin narrator that whipped through the turbine which poured. Surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. Chipmunk theres a bad storm comin narrator the internet of everything is changing how energy works. Is your Network Ready . The search area for airasia is going to expand tomorrow. Four additional areas are added to search efforts this. As we learn more about what investigators are facing. That plane was flying over a heavily traveled shipping corridor with relatively Shallow Waters when it disappeared. This is a far crime what we learned when mh370 went down. There was so much focus on the remote nature vast waters that proved a tremendous challenge to navigate. Could the differences here actually help crews track down the missing airasia jet . Joining us david susie. Here we are on the map. We can go through what we know about this flight. It took off from surabaya airport 5 36r in in the morning. Everything was normal except for bad storms in the area. You pointed out this is not uncommon. Its not. They knew about the storms before they went in there and so did every other aircraft flying in this area. To have the flex toblt change altitudes and direction, thats built into the safety systems. Pilots who know, who fly in that area regularly, that this is par for the course . Absolutely. The severity of altitudes isnt known until after you fly through it. As sophisticated as our equipment is, it wont tell you the winds inside those high, dense areas. Its a question of how the pilot reacts. Lets carry on with this. We know the flight lost contact 40 minutes into the 2 hour 20 minute flight. They lose contact shortly after they ask for permission to rise in altitude from 32,000 to 38,000. Correct. They made this request to air Traffic Control and said we need to divert from our planned route. Were going to 38,000 feet because of weather. Theyre going to turn a little left to avoid thunderstorms, the peak of the thunderstorms. Theres no good way through storms. Theyre trying to find the best way through. There is some push pressure on the pilots to complete the flight. Turning around is one of the last things you want to have to do. What youre doing is looking for the best way to get through them. Even turning around going back is not the best way. They made the request however they didnt hear back. By the time the air Traffic Control cleared this area because there was an area they wanted to go to air traffic was waiting and saying i cant clear them to that altitude yet. As soon as i can, ill get back to them. Four minutes later they called back and said now you can go to 38,000 feet. There was no response. No response. What does that say to you . They didnt even have the authority to make that climb. But they did . We believe they did. We dont know that for a fact. Its been reported it was 36,000 at 101 Miles Per Hour. That was a screen capture leaked out from air Traffic Control. We dont know that for a fact yet. It appears to me based on information and clues we have that indeed it was the case. So because of that, we dont know how big of a search area it is . Right. They pinpointed an area roughly. Really roughly. Theyre expanding it tomorrow. Weve learned of the seven search areas, tomorrow on wednesday, when the light resumes, there will be 11 search areas. I understand its to the west and south of where theyve been searching. Right. Theyve gone quite a bit of distance to the west. In that area that was 56,000 square miles, now theyve expand had the and added two or four different areas. That takes that to a different area for two reasons. One is they have new information. Theyve had the same amount of information before. Theyve eliminated other areas so now theyre saying most probable area is to that direction. A lot of comparisons made to mh370 some ten months ago. There are big significant differences here especially even in the search zone isnt there . Absolutely. This area the java sea. First of all these temperatures are survivable. These are 60 to 70 degrees in the water. If there were survivors on rafts, they could survive. They would not freeze to death like we would have seen in mh370. Its possible there are survivors. Lets say the airliner went underwater authorities believe the plane is on the bottom of the ocean. Its more shallow, easier to find. 150 to 200 feet is not something to sneeze at. Its not something satellites can see through. With mh370 there was a technology that said we can see 150 to 200 feet. Thats not true. Nor is it available now. Do you think theyll find anything . Im surprised they havent found anything yet. Within the area the airline stopped responding, it should have traveled 20 to 30 miles in either direction. Theyre looking 240 miles. They dont have much information at this point. Their work is cut out at this point. Youre busy today. Thanks for that. John . What about the mistery. Well have the latest on the search for 8501 expanding zones, possible scenarios and families waiting for signs of what happened to that jet. All that when newsroom with Carol Costello begins right after this. Sir, were going to need you on the runway. vo theraflu starts to get to work in your body in just 5 minutes. vo theraflu breaks you free from your worst cold and flu symptoms. vo theraflu. Serious power. Hey guess what day it is . . Hump day hummmp daaay its hump day yeah hey Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike mike mike. Hey he knows hey guess what day it is hey camel guess what day it is its not even wednesday. Let it go, phil. If youre a camel, you put up with this all the time. 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