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Mourning. They havent had one since 1962 in respect of the passing of a queen, so it just goes to show how much this means to people. The country has its arms wide open. Behind us, these are all rows of flowers. This country, of course, is known for its tulips and flowers and these are gestures of love and support, notes to the victims, notes to the people who love the victims. These are travelers. They are on their way different places. They have stopped here to observe it, and a lot of these people actually arent in transit. They have just come from their homes and in an expression of love and to give respect to those who lost their lives. A very different picture here than what weve been experiencing in Eastern Ukraine. Good morning to you, kate, john. Good morning, chris. Thanks so much. Well get back to you in just a second. Were also following the latest from the middle east. Wolf blitzer is in jerusalem as you see right there with updates on the ceasefire talks and the latest on the suspension of u. S. Flights from and from israel. Other big headlines were following here in the u. S. , including duelling court rules that could force changes for millions of people already enrolled in obamacare and a major recall affecting some widely consumed fruit. If you shop at costco, walmart, trader joes, need to hear this later. But for now back with more with chris on the ground. Chris . All right, john, thank you very much. So many questions over what happened here. Russian versions, u. S. Versions, the west trying to come up with an idea of forensically figuring out how this plane, mh17, was taken out of the sky, but at the end of the day theres one thing thats undeviable and that is the people on flight mh17 had no role in the conflict. They were absolutely innocent and killed for no reason. Now what happened to them afterwards, the aftermath of the situation made it worse. The indignity of that scene. Things that i hope no one watching ever has to witness for themselves, but today is a very different day. Today they are getting their respect of coming home, long process of identifying them, giving some closure to the families. Since the loss of life, today is the first day of hope for these families. We feel that the eyes of the world are upon us to do this right. Coming home. At least 100 bodies recovered from mh17 placed aboard a Dutch Military aircraft just hours ago now on their way to the netherlands. Once handed over to Forensic Experts, they will begin whats expected to be the difficult task of identifying each victim. But more agony for the families this morning. European monitors now say that up to 100 bodies, nearly onethird of the 298 on board, may be missing. They didnt arrive on the train from the crash site as expected raising new questions about where they may be. The planes two black boxes arriving in the uk this morning, the dutch asking britains air accident Aviation Agency on taking the lead on analyzing them, but experts say getting to the actual wreckage is vital because the boxes likely wont hold the key to who shot down the plane and why. The crime scene, which is what mh17 is, has been i think picked clean by the various groups that were in control of that area. I think the entire site has been compromised. U. S. Officials now ramping up the pressure on russia, briefing reporters on what they say is convincing intelligence that russian militants shot it down accidentally. They point to this graphic showing the trajectory of the flight. U. S. Intelligence picking up a missile launcher being turned on and then the vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume. The u. S. Also releasing evidence a buildup of Russian Forces in rostov city, releasing this satellite imagery of a Military Area just inside the russian border where they continue to ship weapons, many head for ukraine. Today former u. S. President bill clinton delivered the keynote speech at the international hate hate conference in melbourne, australia. On board flight 17, six leading aids researchers planning to attend. We have to remind people that the people we lost on that airplane gave their entire lives to the proposition that our common humanity matters a hell of a lot more than our interesting differences. You can imagine how emotional it is for the families and people who knew the loved ones and complicating matters is who exactly is coming home. Two parts to that. The first is were not sure about the body count. Not sure how many victims may have been left behind. Thats going to be part of the hard forensic work Going Forward. That will take time also. So just because they are coming home does not mean it is over for the people here, not to mention all the questions that are still haunting these families and the world about how this happened and who did it. We will be covering whats happening here in amsterdam and, of course, whats going on back in Eastern Ukraine, that crime scene still unsecured, but were also covering another major breaking story. Whats going on in israel with no signs of relief. Our own wolf blitzer has been there for the beginning. Thanks very much. Reporter on behalf of all the viewers let me thank you for the excellent special coverage youre giving us right now. This is such a powerful emotional story, and you and all of our team are doing an amazing, amazing job. A lot of emotion here in israel as well and certainly tons of emotion in gaza. The secretary of state of the United States, john kerry, he is now here in jerusalem. Hes trying to broker a ceasefire between hamas and israel. The Palestinian Death toll rising, 649, most of them civilians. Two more Israeli Soldiers were killed in combat on tuesday bringing the number of israeli troops killed now to 29. Now the u. S. Is taking action to protect travelers. The faa suspended all flights to Israels Ben Gurion airport after a rocket fired from gaza landed a mile or so from the airport causing significant damage to a house right near the airport. U. S. Airways does plan to resume flights to tel aviv tomorrow, but only pending faa approval thats where cnns Martin Savidge is standing by right now over at the airport. Martin, set the scene for us. Whats the very latest there . Reporter yeah, wolf, here we are, just after midday. This should be a peak travel time. Take a look out there on the the tarmac, the empty runway, only one runway from ethiopia, but otherwise extremely quiet for this international destination. This morning all u. S. Air carriers offering flights to israel still grounded. The faa ordering airlines to suspend trips to Israels Ben Gurion International Airport near tel aviv for at least 24 hours after a rocket launched by hamas demolished this home about a mile from the runways. Cnns own john voss was aboard a tel aviv bound flight when the ban took effect. He shoot this video. Some passengers taking off from tel aviv to new york seen rushing out of airport after silence sounded warning of a possible rocket attack. We had to run off the plane to shelter in the middle of the airport. It was crazy. I was verynerrous. Reporter new york city former mayor Michael Bloomberg boarded a flight in a show of confidence for israel. El al is not one of the affected airlines. Its. I want to show its great and israel has a right to defend its people. Reporter but the Administration Says they are not going to overrule the faa. Frankly the situation that we saw in ukraine only underscores the need to take extra precautions when it comes to the safety of civilian airliners. Reporter meanwhile the bloodshed continues in gaza. The Palestinian Death toll rising to more than 640, and two more Israeli Soldiers were killed there overnight bringing israels death toll to at least 29 soldiers and t2 civilians. Israel maintains that thanks to its iron dome Missile System this airport is protected and safe, but let me show you, wolf, just how close that rocket came. You take a look beyond the runway to the apartment buildings immediately thereafter, and if youre an International Air carrier with a jim poe jet thats too close to comfort. Thats why they decided to put this suspension on for 2 hours. Well know if the faa will continue the suspension of all u. S. Flights to israel, out of israel, or if they will lift that. We do know that the israeli government, israeli officials are deeply, deeply disappointed in this faa decision. Martin, back to you. A lot other news happening, not only here but around world. Lets go pack to new york and kate. Kate . Thanks so much. Back to you shortly. Here at home the white house is announcing its revising rules to al qaeda the nonprofit religious groups looking to provide out of providing contraception coverage in their health plans. This obviously has been a big political debate following two conflicting Appeals Court rules tuesday that will likely land obamacare very possibly back before the supreme court. Cnns Michelle Kosinski is live at white house with more on this. First off, what do the conflicting rules mean for everybody at home. Reporter interesting to hear both sides declaring victory because here we have two Different Cases and two different Appeals Court. The same issue but opposite rules. Back when Congress Approved the Affordable Care act, they said for those who qualify individuals who cant get insurance through their employers, they will qualify for these federal tax credits to keep the insurance affordable when they buy it through the marketplace that their state will then set up. As it turns out, only 16 states set up those marketplaces, leaving the majority of those individuals who neededed to buy insurance to get it directly through the federal government. About 70 of them who qualify for the tax credit had to do it that way. Now we have a question of language. One ruling says, well, technically the law says to get that tax credit and keep the system affordable you needed to get it through your state. The other ruling saying well its not their fault that their state didnt set up a marketplace and congress clearly intended all of these people to get the federal tax credit, so as of right now the federal tax credit stands while this continues through appeals but its very likely head for the supreme court. Michaela. Of course well be watching. Thanks for breaking it all down for us. Lets get a look at other headlines. 12 minutes past the hour. Breaking overnight, a southwest chicagobound flight was forced to make an Emergency Landing in southwest ohio. Pilots diverted after a smoke indicator went off. Emergency slides were deployed. All 49 crew members and passengers aboard plane were able to exit the plane safely. Smoke was found in one of the cargo holds. That plane has been taken out of service for situation. Two political newcomers battling for a new seat, businessman david purdue bet republican kingston in a runoff and will face michelle nun in the race for the seat of retiring senator saxby chandler. Chrysler recalling 2006 and 2007 jeep commandeers and jeep cherokees from 2005 to 2007. Chrysler says the ignition could turn off if the switch is bumped. Chrysler says they are aware of one accident linked to this problem. However, no injuries. This Morning Police in new york are searching for the people who raised bleached american flags over the brooklyn bridge. Construction workers reported the swap early Tuesday Morning hours after the stunt. They are still investigating the stunt. Was there something nefarious . How were they able to do it. Something as benign an intention as possible, the security concern of how did they get there. Listen to the top cops in new york, they seem embarrass that had this happened in front of their eyes when they were watching. Coming up on new day, a national day of mourning in the netherlands as the bodies of many of those who perished on flight 17 is coming home. Chris will be speaking with a family who lost two children on that flight after the break. train horn vo wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. Norfolk southern. One line, infinite possibilities. Thank ythank you for defendiyour sacrifice. And thank you for your bravery. Thank you colonel. Thank you daddy. Military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa Auto Insurance can be one of them. If youre a current or former military member or their family, get an Auto Insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. Can you fix it, dad . Yeah, i can fix that. dad i wanted a car that could handle anything. I fixed it dad thats why i got a subaru legacy. vo symmetrical allwheel drive plus 36 mpg. I gotta break more toys. vo introducing the allnew subaru legacy. Its not just a sedan. Its a subaru. 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Behind you, all these flowers and notes of expressing condolences and praying for the the souls of those who are gone, the travelers who are coming by. You know this is all for you and for your nephews, yes . Yes. Its the first time ive seen it, and its just too poignant to look at it. I was just choking up. I couldnt stand it. How difficult has this been to lose the little ones, to lose the one you care about the most and in a way where they were not only far away but everything that followed afterwards. How have you managed to stay together, family . I dont know honestly, chris. The adrenaline. Just indescribable. Were all in a haze, so numb and so sad and we keep thinking about the most important thing how much the kids suffered. Just hope it was all over very quickly. Samira, i dont even want you to have to talk. I know you want to be here to support your boys. Im sorry to talk about how they were gone. Im sorry, i know this is difficult for you. I dont want them to be forgotten. I want people to know how special boys were so its not just about politics so im sorry you have to be here and haroum, thanks for speaking for them. Tell us about these boys. I know they were special. Like every victim. They were very hard working boys, goal in school and a pillar to her. Shes been separated from her house for four years. A single mom. They had just come to the netherlands for the last four years so it was a new country, a new life. It was, you know, everything was new, and they had never lived on their own in europe before so it was very difficult, but they were just tremendously good boys. And there are two things i want to see if they are actually true. Is it true that the young one started talking about flying and being worried and what might happen and that your family believed he may have sensed something coming, is that true . Whether you want to call it a premonition or whatever, the eerie thing was that right before getting on the flight after going through passport control and he ran back to his mom and my sister standing next to me, what happens if the plane is going to crash and die, im afraid to fly. Dont worry. Youve flown so many times before on your open. Youve been an unaccompanied minor on many flights before. Youll be safe. Your big brother is there. Everything will be fine, and he said whats going to happen if i die, and what what if god asks me a question, what shall i tell him . Now that you think back on him, its just incredibly sad and i wish we had been able to stop him from getting on that plane are you . Cant do that. Samira i hope youre not doing that. It means something now, but, please, dont put yourself there. Thats not fair to you, and it is true theres a third boy and there was no Seat Available on this flight. Otherwise he would have been on it also. Hes home and safe. Hes home and devastated. Hes 16 years old and lost two of his best friends. I know one of the reasons that its important for you to speak for your family is because of what happened after this completely wrong act of taking the plane out of the sky, the disrespect and indignity, how its being treated there by these militants. I was there. And theres no question that this scene is terrible. I will tell you that people were doing their best to be respectful, not so much the militants, thats just the truth, but people were trying to say prayers. People were trying to look after what was going on there to keep a little bit of dignity. It should have been a lot, like this from the beginning. They should have been home a long time ago but what does it mean to you, that not only were their lives taking so wrongly but everything that happened afterwards. Thats probably the biggest insult, adding insult to injury. I understand its a war zone and theres a lot of animosity between the parties, but these people behaved like animals. Our kids and the 296 other victims, they were not part and parcel of this horrible war thats going on over there. They had nothing to do with it. They are innocent parties and its sacrilegious what was going on with their remain and they should have been handled more respectfully. How are you handling with whether your boys come back or not . They dont know if people are still there and undiscovered yet . Have you prepared for that . Thats what weve preferred to. Hopefully well have something in the grave, not just a body, been very, very graphic how the police took a dna swab yesterday morning of my sister but they were very frank and said, you know, we may not discover them in time. We may get a limb. What do you want us to do, put him in a grave or wait until we find both boys so it was just too much to bear sometimes. The practicalities can be most horrible point of dealing with this and now the question that dominates the world and means the least to you in some respects. Does it matter who did this . Did it matter if it was intentional or an accident . Does it matter if it was just militants or russia or ukraine . How much does that matter to you, those answers . They matter to me quite a bit. I think both the militants, both russia and malaysia airlines, they are all to blame in one way or another, and everybody ultimately will have to pay the price and be responsible, be held responsibly, either legally or financially or from a religious point of view. Were not out for revenge but its just the right thing to do that they should pay for their crimes, their deeds. This is a terrorist act, a criminal act, the area where the crash site, is its a crime scene. It should have been secured more safely and it wasnt. Still should be and were giving more attention to t. Sorry to meet you this way. My heart goes out to you and so sorry for what youve lost. Thank you, and thanks to cnn the world what never should have been shown. Its not just us. It is people crying every minute for the same reasons we are crying. I dont know where everybody is going when i see you and the flowers and i know theres home. We have to move on. I dont know how, but we have to. They were just incredible kids. They were just incredible. We never knew how many lives they touched until now. We thought it was just us but its amazing so they havent lived for nothing and i thank all of you to try to help us for this process. Hopefully they will be coming back now to a place them a praises them and doesnt deal with their disgrace and gives them their dignity and i hope it they come home. Let us know how we can help. Sorry for you to have to be here like this. Thank you so much. Kate, back to you. Their pain is unimaginable. Chris, thank you so much for that. Were going to get back to you very shortly. Coming up next on new day, also looking at the other big story make headlines. The United States is suspending flights to israel over fears of rocket fire. Wolf blitzer spoke with a member of hamas who had warned airlines to stop their flights. Thats coming up next. The average person will probably drink something that is acidic on a daily basis. Those acids made over time wear the enamel. I recommend pronamel. Pronamel helps to defend the enamel from the acids in our diet. It helps to strengthen the teeth. When folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. But the energy bp produces up here creates Something Else as well jobs all over america. Engineering and innovation jobs. Advanced Safety Systems technology. Shipping and manufacturing. Across the United States, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. When we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. Thats not a coincidence. Its one more part of our commitment to america. I voted for culture. With a k. how are you . I voted for plausible deniability. I didnt kill her, david. And i voted for decisive military action. Xfinity presents the peoples hotlist where you choose this summers top 100 shows and movies. And all you have to do is watch with xfinity on demand. Now through july 23rd. Vote . Welcome back to nude yale. Im wolf pulitzer reporting from jerusalem. The secretary of state john kerry is here in jerusalem. This morning hes continuing his intense efforts to try to broker some sort of ceasefire between israel and hamas. His arrival follows a decision by the faa back in washington to suspend all flights to israels main airport, Ben Gurion International airport just outside tel aviv, that after a hamas rocket landed near the airport about a mile or so away. Earlier i spoke with a hamas spokesman. He told International Flights not to fly into israel saying they would be in danger and i asked him for his reaction to the faa decision. We warned them because we were not willing to have any civilians being killed through this Israeli Attack against the palestinians and the palestinian resistant reaction, and this warning was because we care about the lives of the civilians and we hope that that that can be for the end of the Israeli Attack, not just for 1 hours. You saw that up of your rockets landed about a mile away from Ben Gurion International airport outside of tel aviv, destroyed a house out there. Are you deliberately targeting Ben Gurion International airport . Well, its clear that the israelis have targeted all the civilian houses in gaza. We are talking 600 casualties. Most of them they are children, women and civilians, so what what the palestinians supposed to do. To give the next four days, to slaughter them or to try to defend themselves . We were expecting the International Community will protect the palestinians from the israelis, will protect the palestinians from the mentality of netanyahu who lost his more or less and his army also, and hes reflecting a new image for hitler and the nazi army. They are acting in the same way and killing palestinians just because they are palestinians like hitler was doing in the last century. When we spoke last week, you told me that hamas had rejected the egyptiansponsored ceasefire because you never formally received the paperwork. Do you now have a formal proposal from egypt for a ceasefire, and will you accept it . Let me clarify two points. First of all, we reject the proposal. Our position is clear. There is palestinian demands. We want it to be part of the agreement of the ceasefire, opening the borders and ending the siege on the palestinians and releasing the palestinians and after the fake story of the three settlers in the west bank, all what has been done based on this story supposed to be stopped because no one knows exactly what happened except netanyahu who was in charge and responsible for that fake story. The Prime Minister of israel, Benjamin Netanyahu was with secretarygeneral ban kimoon and netanyahu said this about hamas. Listen to this. Hamas is like isis. Hamas is like al qaeda. Hamas is like hezbollah. Hamas is like boko haram. This is part of a larger pattern. What grievance can we solve for hamas . Their grievance is that we exist. They dont even want a twostate solution. They dont want any state solutions. You want to respond to that, mr. Hamdan . Well, hes very cold when hes lying. He knows that this is lies. He knows that hamas is different, hamas is seeking to have an independent palestinian sovereign state. We have said that clearly. We give the peace negotiations chances in 2000, 2005 and 2012. We gave those chances, but the one who destroyed the possibilities for twostate solution is netanyahu himself. What i have to tell mr. Netanyahu, you have to the understandins the facts of the lie. You cant keep occupying the palestinian lands and fighting the palestinians. You have to admit that a historical mistake was done by occupying the palestinian lands. Have you to withdraw your troops. This can be done peacefully. If its not done in this way, the palestinians will resist for generations until their lands will be liberated. The view from hamas. Thats the spokeman, hamas spokeman speaking with me earlier from doha, qatar. Just the latest with new developments coming every day. Back to that in a moment. Next up for us on new day, you hear the finger pointing and see the flag waving. 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However, hanging over all of this are the questions of why this happened. Who did it and what will happen next. There are a lot of different theories, a lot of countries pointing fingers. Most notably russia and the u. S. And the west. I want to bring in somebody who has a different perspective. His name is peter lovell. Part of the russianowned news operation there and, peter, can you hear me. Yes, i can. Go ahead. All right. Thank you for taking time to join us. I want to ask you why hasnt russ russia, specifically Vladimir Putin, why hasnt he come out and strictly and in a straight way condemned how the crime scene was handled, how the dignity of the dead was abused, how crime scene investigators werent let in . Why hasnt russia and Vladimir Putin come forward and condemned how this crime scene has been handled . Well, i think the answer to that is a very, very straightforward and simple. Ukraine is not in russia. Vladimir putin doesnt control a crime scene in a foreign country. I think its quite ludicrous for you to ask that question. Hes come out and demanded a complete investigation. As a matter of fact, on monday of this week russia gave its assessment of the of the reconnaissance and surveillance satellites and what was happening in the crime scene. We dont have that coming out of washington, so i think thats what you should be asking is why is the state department relying upon twitter and youtube and other social media for its case when russia has already given at least part of the forensic evidence thats necessary to solve this horrific crime. Maybe you havent been following it but the u. S. Is coming out with a lot of intelligence. In either training or equipping. Whattest are you talking about . What forensic evidence are you referring to, twitter. They are releasing intelligence information about twitter. I do not think, peter, this is something to be flip about. 298 people lost their lives, lets not play politics here. I think the u. S. State department has been very flippant about it, very flippant. Wheres the evidence . Thats what we need to solve this crime. Its not coming out of washington. Even intelligence officials are saying they dont know who did this. They dont know where it came from. The United States spends 200 billion a year on Global Intelligence and they cant find out. This is extraordinary. There are nato ships in the black sea watching ukraine like a hawk. Wheres their data . Please, show us the data and then we can move forward and maybe this can help resolve the crisis in ukraine. Peter, take a breath, okay, because there,isnt a debate. Its easy toe bandy about points and confuse facts. Theres no need. Im not here to debate with who did this. You want to bring the talking points. Peter, everything im saying is there is u. S. Peter, why are you afraid to hear what im saying . Im not here to fight with you. I just left the crime scene. I would like for you to ask the u. S. Government to release all of its data from satellites and compare it to the russians, see where it matches and dont match. Youre living in a parallel universe. Peter, peter, calm down. Take a breath. Weve already had something bad happen. No need to compound it. Ask me an intelligent question. I think ive asked you several. Your answers, i dont know about the intelligence of but the questions are pretty spot on. Look, im not a representative of the u. S. You seem to be acting like a representative of russia and what i asked is why hasnt russia come forward. Character assassination. France has done it, the uk has done it. The u. S. Has done it. None of them have sovereign control over ukraine. Countless countries have come forward. The u. N. Has come forward and condemned what was been done at that crime scene, but not russia specifically. Vladimir putin has come out with an investigation. He did not condemn whats going on. By asking there being an investigation is i wish you could be a serious person about this. By leaving bodies in the sun, but saying leaving bodies in the sun for days. Thats Vladimir Putins fault. Thats ludicrous. Thats ludicrous. Im looking at known facts. Where is the investigation . The u. S. Government and its allies condemned russia even before the bodies were take owen off the ground. What kind of logic and sympathy is that . Thats ridiculous. Peter, this is the logic. This is frightening what youre saying, andings again, im not here to argue with you. I just came from the actual crime scene. You sound like jen psaki at the u. S. State department. What i sound like is a reporter who feels deeply for the 298 lives who were lost, who are not part of this conflict and dont need to be part of your discussion about whether russia is being unfairly blamed. The reason russia was prout in right away is because if you go to talk to the selfappointed Prime Minister of the area where this plane was shot down, he is surrounded by Russian Military figures at mittedly so, they will tell you that. And if you ask this man whether russia is helping him, you know what he will say, nothing. He refuses to answer. Why would a man who is desperate for legitimacy and being seen in control his area, a selfappointed Prime Minister refuse to deny that russia is helping him . Why, peter . That sounds like a straight question. I dont know why. Sounds like something you could answer with fact. You need to remind yourself what the job is. I asked you why russia hasnt come out and condemned what is objectively wrong. Nobody will take another position. The way that crime scene is unsecured and the way soldiers have gone through and compromised the intelligence. Who out of all of these parties have done an investigation . Russia has done an investigation and made it public and they have shown the world. Why doesnt the United States step up and compare evidence, okay, russias done the right thing to do to solve this crime and u. S. Intelligence has no idea what its talking about or knows what happens and it doesnt want the world to know what really happened. Its in washingtons court right now. Heres the difference between you and me, peter. You are obsessed with clearing research from culpability, thats okay. I am focused on talking about thats your opinion, not a fact. How this plane and its victims were treated. I agree with you. I think you need to look up what that means. All youre doing is denying russias involvement. What happened . I dont know. I dont have the evidence. I agree. Youre jumping to conclusions. Im not jumping to any. Have you heard me say that i know what happens. It was put on live. It was translated into english that even the russian side with their investigation, they did not even claim this is a joke. Weve got to get out of it. They didnt even do that. They asked questions about why certain things were happening in that airspace. Thats a good question that should be compared. What do the other radars have to say . Lets see if we can see the difference or similarities. Be fair. Peter, peter, of course we want to be fair. Yeah. Of course everybody wants the right answer because one thing is for sure. I think youll probably even agree with this, the people on mh17 had no role in this conflict. They were complete innocents. There was no reason for them to be involved, whether it was a tragic mistake. I agree. That the plane was shot out of the air or it was an intentional act of terrorism, it was wrong and we need to find out who did it. You know theres a reasonable basis for suspicion about what russia knew because of the undeniable connections between the russian militats in this area and russia itself in terms of assistance and guidance and the personnel on the ground so, of course, theres a reasonable basis for suspicion. You overestimate how much control the russian side has over resistance in ukraine. Its very difficult. Its very difficult to determine that. If you look at the evidence, okay, its difficult. Yeah, especially especially when the acting Prime Minister you deny the agency of people in Eastern Ukraine, you deny them agency. You think they are puppets of russia. I deny them . I said with the selfappointed Prime Minister, i sat with him. I gave him the cnn audience. I asked him there is a suspicion that russia is helping you and your fighters and training you and giving weapons, maybe the one used to shoot down the plane. Is that true . And you know what he says . Im not going to answer that. Ask russia. I said but youre the Prime Minister, you say youre in charge. Are they helping you, or are you in charge . He says i wont answer that. That doesnt make that dont sound like a journalist . What is the evidence . Evidence is what we need and youre trying to put the blame youre going to ignore what i just said. Youre just going to ignore that . Im not going to comment on what that person said, no what do you want me to say, to agree or disagree with him . Why should i agree or disagree with it . I dont know, why should you carry water for russia when youre supposed to be a journalist . Why do you say the u. S. Im not carrying water for russia. I have a platform at Rt Television where i have my own program and i have my own mandate to do what i want to do so i dont know carrying water. You carry water for the u. S. State department. And peter lavelle, your obvious appetite and desire of what to do is represent the best interests of russia no matter what the facts are and to shout down people who are asking legitimate questions and i think its a mistake in fairness to the victims. I shout down nonsense and stupidity. Well let the audience decide. And loaded questions thats what i do all the time. Thats what i do for a living. They are straight questions. Peter lavelle, have you to live with what you do for a limping appreciate you coming on new day so people can experience your answers and thought process for themselves. Have a good day. Listen, what is the value to that discussion . There are very different theories about how this happened. Theres a different level to the warfare. Whats going on in ukraine and then theres an information war thats going on at the same time. The last thing i want to do is to stoke some type of useless conversation. The emotion sometimes gets the better of you, especially when youve been the youve scene theres very objective realities need to be addressed and any sovereign would want to reject and condemn whats been done with the crime scene of mh17. That said i apologize for getting involved in what became more about emotion and reason there for a moment, but at the end of the day, the answers matter because of the family who you met before and the countless other families who lost loved ones on this plane, and thats why the questions have to persist and information has to be tested. Thats why the u. S. Is putting out intelligence and western authorities are trying to get involved with this. Russia says it calls for a full investigation. Russia has to know things. Will it volunteer its own information because here again is the undeniable truth. That crime scene has been mismanaged. Those bodies were disrespected. Their dignity was hurt. It was unnecessary and it was counterproductive to the process of truth. Were following the bodies home because they are who matter the most in this situation, 292 people who without question were above any point of criticism. Cant say that about the ukraine government, certainly cant say it about the militants, and you cant say it about russia either so that is a perspective thats out there. Again, became a little bit too heated and im sorry for that because we want to be productive for you. We want you to hear what is out there and to be sure the questions are going to go on. Now, a couple of things that are just factually true and understand from where we are. We dont know how many bodries coming back today. We believe the first plane may have 20, may have more. They are not sure about the body count. There may still be victims bodies at the crime scene or in the surrounding area. We dont know because the investigation is so shoddy its almost nonexistent. The black boxes will have valuable information, not the absolute truth of who did this obviously but that will also take time to be processed. The dutch authorities leading way have asked the uk authorities to take on that task. Well let you know more as it happens, and we will take you to the memorial here during this national day of mourning in the netherlands when the bodies arrive here some hours from now. Back to you in new york. Chris, thanks so much. And i think its also worth saying theres nothing to be sorry about, chris, because highlighting the fact that there is a real propaganda war that is part of this crisis, part of this tragedy, its an important part of this story. Its an important part ever of actually bringing the facts to light. Weve heard that from you and from other journalists and heard that from our correspondents who have covered many wars over the decades. A huge issue. Weve heard what an alternate universe that many people in russia are living in because what is being pushed through russian media. Lets talk about the facts for the minute. The facts remain in the two data recorders that took four days to get from the scene into the hands of people who need them and only now six days later are they being looked at by investigators in britain. Those are the facts. Those are the facts, and the fact is also where the focus needs to be is what youre saying, chris, is right behind you, memorial, the flowers, the people youre speaking to and hearing from on the ground. Those lives lost in finding the truth for them. That is what matters, and thats why the conversation is important. Chris, were going to get right back to you. Coming up next on new day, well have much more from the middle east, plus well head back to amsterdam, of course, for the very latest on mh17. But coming up next, a major produce recall we want to tell you about. 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Flights from the u. S. Into israel still halted and israel pushing the u. S. To restart the flights. Michael bloomberg on a plane in a show solidarity. Were following it now. A special edition of new day continues right now. When it comes to mh17, theres been so many examples of things being done wrong. I want to show you an xaflle of it being done here in amsterdam. Rows and rows of flowers and notes to the victims and notes of support to the families. Some of these people are in transition, transition and many of them are waiting for a plane to return with their loved once. A second one in en route. In the airport in an an hour from where we are where the bodies will be received and here where mh17 began its journey in amsterdam. Well bring you information about these families because today is timely the first day of hope that they will get their loved ones back. Kate, john . A national day of mourning in the net land. Chris, well get back to you. Were also following the latest coming out of the middle east. Secretary of state john kerry is in israel today in hopes of brokering a ceasefire. Wolf blitzer will have more on that, and the rest of the developments on the crisis, including whether flights from u. S. Carriers will be resuming any time soon ahead of, because, of course, theres an faa ban. Back here in the United States, president obama taking some heat for making a fundraising swing out west with all of these crises facing the United States right now coming from overseas. So what do americans think of the president s Job Performance in the midst of all this . Very latest numbers, brand new polling numbers and well speak with the white house about these responses to the situations in the ukraine as well. For now back to chris in amsterdam. Chris . This is the day that the victims of flight mh17 finally start their journey home. Will it be all of them . Who are they . These are all questions that remain unanswered, but after days of these families having the crime scenes being abused and the dig thinking of their loved ones being disaffected this is the first step in the process of closure, and it begins today we feel that the eyes of the world are upon us to do it right. Coming home, at least 200 bodies recovered from mh17 placed aboard a Dutch Military aircraft hours ago and now on their way to the netherlands. Once handed over to Forensic Experts, they will begin whats expect to be the difficult task of identifying each victim. But more agony for the families this morning. European monitors now say that up to 100 bodies, nearly a third of the 298 on board, may be missing. They didnt arrive on the train from the crash site as expected raising new questions about where they may be. The planes two black boxes arriving in the uk this morning, but experts say getting to the actual wreckage is vital because the boxes likely wont hold the key to who shot down the plane and why. The crime scene, which is what mh17 is, has been i think picked clean by the various groups that were in volof that area. I think the entire site has been compromised. Reporter u. S. Officials now ramping up the pressure on russia, briefing reporters on what they say is convincing intelligence that russian militants shot it down accidentally. They point to this graphic showing the trajectory of the flight, u. S. Intelligence picking up a manulife launcher being turned on and then vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume. The u. S. Also releasing evidence of a buildup of Russian Forces in rostov city, releasing this satellite maniagery of a Military Area just inside the russian border where they continue to ship weapons, many headed for ukraine. Today former u. S. President bill clinton delivered the keynote speech at International Hiv Aids Conference in melbourne, australia. On board flight 17 six leading aids researchers planning to attend. We have to remind people that the people we lost on that airplane gave their entire lives to the proposition that our common humanity matters a hell of a lot more than our interesting differences. Cnn will be monitoring this situation in Eastern Ukraine to see when this crime scene starts being taken seriously and we will follow the bodies home here to the loved ones and well take you live and they get the ceremony as they get the respect received by the netherlands. Im joined by a journalist here who works with dutch tv on a program called news hour and we see the show of support here. We know today is the First National day of mourning since 1962. 292 victims, over 100 from your country, but of the 17 million. About 200. In the net land, those 200 people represent all 17 million, is that true . Thats true. I mean, when people say that everybody in this country knows somebody that was on that flight, its no exaggeration or you know somebody who knows somebody. Its not because the netherlands is such a fairy talelike village but because its a small country. A colleague of a colleague lost somebody, and everybody here visiting this monument, i would say, has such stories. . And you have a horror within a horror. If this plane had gone down in the water, it would have been horrible to lose so many lives, but because of how this happened and because it remains unanswered, it takes it to a different level. I mean, the plane i think was hit on thursday. Its tuesday now and the bodries not here yet. You have Dover Air Base where coffins come in way too often in the u. S. But its an image youre almost used to which doesnt make it any less horrible. Were not used to it, let alone 40 or 50 coffins come in five days after it happened and theres still many remains in the field over there and people i mean, a couple of families will be comforted in one way that the east liar Family Members are here, but many others still have no clue what happened to them and even the identifying of the bodies may take weeks or months. And you say the coffins. The coffins is progress in this situation, and you know i maine that in the most respectful way because of how they had been left there. Definitely. How they had been disrespect. How does that change the dynamic of what youve had to watch going on in Eastern Ukraine with the disregard for the crime scene and for the bodies . Well, im sure theres a sense of relief. I didnt lose a close Family Member but im sure the Family Members feel a sense of relief, at least the ones who Family Members come back here and the response so far i think has been dig firksd a lot of grief, but dignified. No immediate calls for revenge, but people do want to know what happened and they do need an investigation. They saw that people tampered with evidence on the spot and that is frustrating. Perhaps you have shown the foreign minister at the u. N. Security council who expressed that frustration and everyone here feels the frustration. Even when the coffins are back the story hasnt end and wont for months. What do you do in terms of how the sovereign governments involve themselves Going Forward . Yes, they are rightfully in charge of dealing with the bodies and they should be dealing with that and dealing with it very well from what i saw on ground but pushing for answers and taking positions that will potentially be in conflict with a major superpower like russia or maybe they will disagree with what the west is doing or ukraine. What have you said about how active they want to be. Well, this story is starting to develop from here. First the bodies need to be back and our Prime Minister has always stressed it. I dont each want to talk about further consequences or each talk about blaming russia or even talking about blaming the separatists because he wanted the bodies here first. Now you see the debate starting to develop. How do we deal with russia. Have we perhaps underestimated russia, putin . Have we misunderstood putin and what does it mean, for instance, for economic ties. The dutch have been the netherlands has been one of the countries against further sanctions against russia because we make a lot of money off russia. That part of the debate is starting to change but it will take a while. Thats the unspoken truth of so much of russia, so much of europe. Its so easy to say in the u. S. And the west we have to tighten the economic sanctions on russia. Weve had our economic crisis just like the u. S. The u. S. Doesnt deal with russia that much, france does, germany. A lot of russian money in london. Netherlands, a pretty small country, pretty big when it comes to economics and finances. These are consequences. Things cannot and will not stay the same because the country lost 200 nationals and they demand a change. Youll have to see an exercise of patience at least immediately, i would suggest, pause in all likelihood you dont have everybody back yet and youll need access the to that site and have real forensics experts to go in and do the best they can to completely sweep that scene of anybodys loved one. Which may take months. And to do that youll have to have comfortable relations and it will be tricky. Thank you soap. Look forward to covering this Going Forward and im sorry for any friends or anyone you know thats been lost in this. Thank you. John, to you . Thanks so much, chris. We make a lot of money off of russia, that comment, hang on to that for a while. Why . Because european leaders got together in the wake of the tragedy to discuss expanding sanctions against russia for backing the rebels in ukraine who are accused by many now of shooting down flight 17. Sanctions with teeth, real repercussi repercussions. That is what many expected from the europeans, but thats not whats happening here. At least so far not at all. So why not . Why not take a stand . What are they afraid of . Joining us to talk about cnns Global Economic analyst and also a very important person at time magazine. Thanks for being with us here. I think a lot of people in the United States are frankly shocked that after this tragedy, 298 lives lost they thought they would see action, strong action from the europeans finally, but, no. This comes down to economic interests as we were just hearing. Europe gets most of their gas from russia, 30 . Its largest single supplier. They do a lot of trade with russia. European banks and european multinationals are deeply embedded in that economy, and i think frankly europeans have been reluctant to pull the plug on those relationships. Everybody thought that this would be the change moment. Thats the thing. Weve talked about this before as the ukrainian crisis was unfolding. When are they going to do something and if this tragedy cant move those countries together to actually take a hard line against russia and say we wont take it anymore, what is . What will. Thats the big question. You know, if you look back. Europeans have a history of coming together in good times. Everybody was on board with the euro in 1999 and not so much with the european debt cries as i couple years ago and what tends to happen is every individual country has the economic verylationship they are trying to protect. Europe has had a difficult time coming together as a bloc and standing together in these situations. I think theres a conversation in europe about energy policy. Thats what this comes down to. The sanctions already in place against individual and companies has hurt russia at the margins, but in order to kick russia into a true recession and really cripple their economy you have to put embargoes on energy and thats when you hurt European Countries but its not impossible. Hearing talks about certain kinds of plans that could move europe to more Energy Independence. Ultimately the u. S. Could play a part in that but not immediately. Such reluctance and such economic fear and you see it in front france. They have sold warships to russia which they havent delivered yet. The russia president says were going to go ahead the french president says im going to deliver the warships, why . Because if we didnt, it would cost up 1 billion. Tone deaf seems kind. Absolutely, and the french have a bad history of being in bed with countries doing bad things during these types of crises. I think its not really significant to the russia economy to the sense that they are an arms exporter themselves. You really dont want to be selling warships to russia at a moment like this. If the United States had closer ties, if the United States was tied to russia economically like the European Countries, do you think the United States would be making as strong a stand as they are right now . Is everybody so economically focused, motivated . If we were getting 30 our gas from russia it would be trickier. This is one of the reasons we keep hearing more and more about Energy Independence and the u. S. Shale boom. Its incredibly valuable. The u. S. Has become the goto country in terms of Energy Supplies because of issues like this. Sometimes shackfies takes sacrifice which some of the european leaders need to be thinking about. Great point, john. Lets take a look at some of the other news today. Michaela . At 14 minutes past the hour, a look at your headlines, a split decision from two federal Appeals Courts on a key element of obamacare. One ruling says insurance subsidies can only be award through staterun health exchanges, not the 36 administered by the federal government. Hours later a second court ruled people can get subsidized coverage through both insurance marketplaces. The case is likely to be decided by the supreme court. Count on cnn to have more on this. A political outsider now a step closer to the seat at table. Former reebok ceo david purdue just defeated veteran congressman Jack Kingston in a Republican Senate primary runoff in georgia and hell nowfies democratic nominee michelle nun in november. Some new developments for you into the investigation of the illegal chokehold death in new york city. Police commissioner bill bratton ordering a thorough reviau of the nypds training procedures after the death of eric gardner. That man was killed in a choke hold and died while police attempted to address him thursday. They will focus the use of force and how officers are trained for a takedown and word is also that bill bratton, a former lapd chief will send some of the officers out to los angeles there because he feels some of the training practices there have been updated. Thats a look at your headlines. Coming up next on new day, well have much more on the tragedy of mh17 but, first, the faa has put at least a temporary ban on flights into and out of tel aviv after a missile lands quite near the airport there, but is the United States government about to reverse that decision . Were going to go back live to wolf blitzer on the frowned in jerusalem for the very latest the last four hours have seen. One child fail to get to the air sickness bag in time. Another left his shoes on the plane. His shoes and a third simply doesnt want to be here. Until now. Until right booking now. 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The secretary of state john kerry is here it jerusalem work okay on a ceasefire agreement between israel and hamas. Lets see how much achievement he can achieve all after u. S. And European Airlines have cancelled flights to and from israel after a rocket from hamas fell a mile or so away from the countrys main International Airport, Ben Gurion International airport outside of tel aviv, the faa instructing all american caresiers to suspend service for 1 hours and u. S. Airways will reinstate flights to tel aviv pending faa approval. Joining us now is our cnn aviation expert. The next few hours the faa has to decide whether to lift the restriction or keep going. Whats your analysis, miles . Well, its a war zone, wolf. There were hamas rockets that landed a mile from ben gurion airport, and thats a great concern. This is a threat we thought more about historically, shoulderfired heatseeking missile kind of threat that were talking about. When aircraft are on short final, taking off, low to the ground and slow, thats been the concern over the years. Whats kind of interesting is the israelis have responded to this because they have been targeted. They were targeted in mombassa, kenya, in 2002 and have equipped most of their aircraft or they claim all of their aircraft with antiheat seeking missile technology. The missiles though, the rocket that came in about a mile or so from ben gurion came in from gaza, not a shoulder fired antiaircraft missile or a surfacetoair missile that prout down the Malaysia Flight and securities are very upset. They say its very safe to fly into ben gurion and that the faa should reconsider. What are the chances of these rockets that come in, the iron dome has intercepted 80 , 90 of them. Whats the chances it could hit a commercial aircraft . The iron dome, the israeli Missile Defense system makes ben gurion probably as safe as anybody in the world despite the tough neighborhood that it is in, but coming on the heels of what we saw in the ukraine, airlines throughout the world, regulatory bodies are rethinking what their risk levels should and should not be as they fly into these dangerous parts of the world. Should the aircraft be equipped, as el al aircraft are, with the flare devices which can spoof a heatseeking missile. Youre right, those rockets not nearly as sophisticated as a heatseeker but particularly when a civilian airliner is targeted, as we would expect that to be the case in the case of terrorists, sometimes you get lucky and you have a really bad day. Thats certainly one of the concerns. The three major u. S. Carriers flying to israel, u. S. Airways, united and delta, i heard reports that some of the crew members were not necessarily thrilled about flying into israel at a time when these rockets and missiles, about 2,000 of them, have come from hamas and gaza into israel. They were asking for volunteers, plenty of pilots and copilots ready to do this flight from new york or philadelphia to tel aviv. How much of a problem is that for delta, lets say, u. S. Airways and united . Well, you know, i think, its certainly up to we should always allow our flight crews to make the decisions, to either fly or not fly into particular areas. The captain should have that kind of authority, and if they dont want to fly that particular flight they should be entitled to do so. A lot has to do with transparency, wolf. When somebody is flying into ben gurion its no secret youre flying into an area with an ongoing conflict. It has rockets in the area, and also on the other side of it has a tremendous security system, an apparatus, intelligence on the ground as well as the iron dome as its called, the Missile Defense system, so some of it is just making sure that the crew and the passengers know what they are getting into, which was not the case for the malaysian flight over the ukraine. People on that flight didnt really know where they were and what the risks were. The israelis are doing and youll be interested to get a map of israel. In the southern time of aylot down near sinai they have a Large Air Force base but its being reconverted, part of it, for commercial aircraft in the next day or two if the faa keeps the delays coming in and out of ben gurion airport, they will make this airport available for u. S. Air or delta and then bus the passengers. Lets see what happens to ben gurion airport. Miles, thanks very much. Back to kate and john in new york. No doubt, kate and john, that from the israeli perspective, a lot of israelis are very angry about this faa decision. They say in effect it amounts to a victory for hamas. It doesnt seem at this point if the faa is ready to change their decision quite yet, no matter what israel says. Thanks so much. Well be getting back to you. Coming up next on new day, two issues on the president s plate, the middle east crisis and also the shootdown of flight 17. The White House Deputy National Security adviser is going to be joining us to talk about how they are responding to bolt situations. And the latest assessment of president obamas performance. How do americans think hes handling these major issues affecting so much of the world . Spokesperson you can get a 1,000 turbocharged reward card with a new volkswagen turbo. So why are we so obsessed with turbo . Because theres nothing more exhilarating than a powerful ride. And you can get that in places you might not expect. Like the passat. 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Police officer during the manhunt. Its revealed that he possessed a handgun with an altered serial number and the same gun has been identified as that murder weapon. New fears of possible listeria contamination have triggered a nationwide stone fruit recall. Some of the fruit comes from big name stores, walmart, trader joes and costco. Our senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is live with more on this. Were in the beginning of stone fruit season. How serious is this, elizabeth . No one has gotten sick so far that we know of and thats great but listeria should taken seriously. It can cause miscarriages and can be fatal, especially for the elderly and for babies. Lets take a look at some of the stores and some of the fruits that were talking about. So costco, trader joes, kroger, walmart, and were talking about peaches, nectarines, plums, pluots, a plum apricot combination, of course, the fruits that have the pig stones or big pits in the middle of them. This all started when the rwwana company noticed they had litteria in one of their facilities. They have now shut it down and sterilized. At least folks can be aware if they purchased there what to do. Time now for inside politics. New poll numbers show even with escalating crises abroad the president doesnt seem to be losing so much ground but isnt gaining either. A new cnn orc poll shows the president s Approval Rating shows at 43 , within the margin of error from the last time you checked this polling. Is this the new normal for the president . What does it mean going ahead . Lets talk about it with john king, cnns chief National Correspondent and, of course, the anchor of inside politics. Good morning, john. Approval at the moment standing at 12 , but in the midst of not one but multiple crises that hes dealing with overseas. Taking a lot of heat from republicans on his handling of it. What do you think it means . Very interesting. The president essentially is a flat line in the approval rate since january. If you look back to the beginning of the year to where we are now, hes moved almost not at all. What does that tell us. It tells us that 42 is about the president s bottom, that barring some other dramatic crises he wont fall much lower than that. 45 in february and 42 now, you a within margin of error. Whats happened in these those ensuing months, the missing irs emails, the v. A. Scandal and world crises youre talking about this morning and others as well. The president s numbers havent moved that much. It tells you that 22 is likely his bottom. Not good, dont want a president at 22 at any time, especially in a Midterm Election year which are determined most of all by the president s Approval Rating. The biggest drop in january is actually among democrats, lost 11 points amongst democrats and perhaps closer to the election when democrats are rallying a bit, that number could tick up a bit but were talking about a national number, 42 . You can bet if hes at 22 nationally the president is lower in the states that have the big senate races this year. They tend to be red states like montana, south dakota, west virginia, alaska, louisiana, north carolina. At 42 nationally and lost most of those states i just listed in 2012 hes probably a little lower in those so its not theres no discouragement for democrats but theres nothing to cheer about. Its bad but could be a whole lot worse theme you can also see in the numbers on health care, obamacare. President s numbers, policy numbers there in terms of approval, havent really dropped over the last several months. In fact, youve heard some democrats in recent weeks, up until yesterday, and ill got to that, talk about the idea that obamacare may not be the Albatross Air their next in this election they once thought it would be. However did, that change yesterday oh, at about 9 45 when we got the first of the federal court rules suggesting that a big part of obamacare should be thrown out. The legal challenge in those court cases and now the political debate about them will be fascinating between now and the election. Lets focus on the numbers. The numbers are pretty static and thats been the case for obamacare for a career or so, people are locked in on this and if you look at it, you know, 40 favor the health care law, 59 disapprove of the health care law, very careful when you cite the disapproval. Republicans like to say a majority of americans disapprove, a slice of them disapprove because it didnt go far enough, dont think its liberal enough. Potential Silver Lining for the white house Going Forward. In our poll we asked you has this helped you or anyone you know and 52 say it has helped them or other families, 1 say its helped their family and 35 say its helped other families. Policically, republicans wants to replace and repeal. If a majority of americans think its helped them or helped someone they know it gets harder politically to take it away so if people think its helping, even if they didnt like it at the fingbut its helping them or their friends the republicans have a higher bar. If you want to take it away they need to explain much more clearly what they put in the place. As we watch the midterm primaries that play out, we wonder what is the big message, big resonating issue for each place in each state . Take georgia, for example, david purdue, businessman, beating out longtime republican congressman Jack Kingston taking on another big political name in that state, Michelle Nunn. What do you take from that primary . The headline of that number one, beyond the primary, the democrats have two places where they can pick up senate seats in, kentucky and georgia. That tells you how steep the hill is for democrats, best chances in states that president obama lost twice, kentucky and georgia. Now lets look at that georgia race, Michelle Nunn, the daughter of longtime senator sam nunn, democrats think they have a great recruit and top of the ticket will be relatively strong, jimmy carters grandson is their candidate for governor. What about david pursue, a loss last night. Wins for the chamber of commerce and the republican establishment. Well the chamber backed Jack Kingston. David purdue whose face you see, the businessman and newcomer to politics. He won that. The buzz among conservatives is that the timing helped david purdue. What have we been talking about a lot, immigration, what does the chamber of commerce want, comprehensivism gracious, path to immigration and conservatives dont like that. Jack kingston took on the baggage of the chamber of commerce position on immigration and that helped him. Watching this race Going Forward, youll have two people, Michelle Nunn may have a famous name, never run for office and david purdue either so it makes it interesting when you have newcombers to politics. This is a race democrats really need because they are expected to lose in some of those states i mentioned at beginning. They really need to pick up a seat somewhere so watch a lot of money now go into georgia, and watch health care, womens issues, a lot lo of microtargeting in this race, a fascinating contest. Be prepared to see democrats coming in from all over the country to help that race out. The ones who arent in kentucky. Exactly. John king, great to see you. Thanks, john. Take care, guys. 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It comes from ukraines government. They say two ukrainian fighter jets have been shot down over Eastern Ukraine. Again, thats the hostile region, the prorussian region largely controlled by different militant groups, and, again, two ukrainian fighters jets just shot down over Eastern Ukraine. That comes from the Ukrainian Government. As we get more details about how that happened and why, we know why, as we get details about it, well bring them to you. Right now i want to bring in Deputy National security adviser tony blinkon. Tony, this is fresh information. Wont ask you about that because were all learning about it at the same time. However, it does go to the main question that planes are being shot out of the sky in Eastern Ukraine. This isnt the first report we heard about it. Other planes have been taken out as well so lets stick right with mh17 because thats our focus specifically here in holland as we wait for the bodies to finally come home, at least some of them to their loved ones here in amsterdam. So, tony, what do we know on the u. S. Intelligence side about what brought down mh17 . What proof and intelligence can you suggest . Chris, we have a very compelling case about what brought down the plane. First of all, weve seen a flow of weapons across the border from russia into ukraine for weeks that weve been working to document. Second, we know that a missile brought down the plane. We know it came from territory controlled by the separatists. We know that the missile in question was in the possession of the separatists. We know that the ukrainians didnt have any of those kinds of missiles anywhere near range and havent used any antiaircraft missiles and we know the separatists on social media bragged about taking down a plane immediately after the plane went down and then pulled that back from social media when they found out it was a civilian aircraft so i think theres an extremely compelling case, and if this mornings news bears itself out, that is, the shootdown of ukrainian planes, that only deepens what we know because it demonstrates yet again that the separatists are shooting down planes. In this case they shot down a civilian airliner and killed nearly 300 innocent people. All right. But there will be a distinction, and its a key one. First of all, tony, i dont think you or i can see the screen, wolf will join us also to get your take on situation in israel. Dont know if you can see him on the screen right now but will be in just a moment. The distinction would be this, tony. Yes, the militants say they have the weapons to shoot planes out of the sky but of a certain range. Mh17 would have required a different range weapon asset, a surfacetoair missile. Those they say they do not have, so is all of the proof circumstantial and based on what we have heard, or do you think you can make a technical forensic case to prove that they had the weapon and that they took this plane out of the sky, mh17 . You have to bring all the elements together and thats what were working to do. What weve seen, for example, is compelling reports in social media of separatists using a missile to shoot down the plane, parading it in streets of towns in the separatistcontrol areas where we believe the missile came from a day before the plane was shot down. Thats quite compelling and the fact that they were bragging about taking down a plane shortly after mh17 came down, you put those two things together, together with the flow of weapons across the border from russia into ukraine that weve seen for weeks on end, all of that taken together makes a very compelling but if you talk to the self appointed Prime Minister of the militant area which i have and others have or my friend from russian tv, they will say thats all you have is social media and some conversations that could have been manufactured with all the money and surveillance capabilities and intelligence capabilities of the u. S. Thats the best you can do . Is that a fair criticism . Look, the separatists and some of their backers would say this conversation is not happening. Theyll say we invent anything. The fact of the matter is when you lay it all out, when you see how we come about bringing the evidence together, for example, the social media. What do we do . We get voice intercepts of the separatists talking and bragging about taking down a plane. We compare it to remarks they made in public to the voices that are on those tapes, and you can have a very compelling assessment of who is speaking. Our experts are very good at this, but again you also saw the other day reporters get into the field and find pieces of the plane with shrapnel in it thats consistent with an sa11 missile which is what we believe brought down the plane. The case when you bring these elements together is very compelling and beyond that theres no plausible alternate explanation. On this same point, one last question before we get to wolf, tony, first, can you show i know its hard to show the nonexistence of a fact, but the russian side would say they have proof that a ukraine government plane was in the area of mh17 when it was brought down, and thats why we believe they did it. Is there a way to show that that cant be true . Well, from what weve seen there were no ukrainian planes in the area at the time and the plane that the russians are pointing to is a plane that is used for airtoground attacks. In other words, it doesnt shoot down planes in the sky. It attacks things on the ground. Its not outfitted to take down planes in the sky. So theyre alleged case holds no water. All right. I want to bring in wolf now and hopefully, tony, youre working there in washington to figure out how to get some expert eyes on the ground in east ukraine at that crime scene before its completely corrupted and youre not able to gather any hard forensic proof of what happened to that plane we are. Im going to give it to wolf now who is in the middle of a very, very serious conflict there. Wolf . Tony, thanks very much. How close is the secretary of state, john kerry . Hes in jerusalem. Im in jerusalem right now. How close do you believe he is to achieving some sort of cease fire between israel and hamas . Look, wolf, hes working, as you know, very hard in that direction. Hes on the ground. He is engaged with all of the key players, obviously with the israelis, with the egyptians trying to work on making their initiative real, with other countries that may have an Important Role to play from turkey to qatar to the uea to jordan, trying to bring all of this together. Theres real urgency to trying to end the violence and to get a ceasefire, but lets again go back to the basic and most important premise, no country can abide having rockets raining down on it by terrorists or having terrorists tunnel underground to kill or kidnap its citizens. So israel is doing whats necessary to end that threat but right now given the civilian toll, theres real urgency in trying to bring this to a close. Israel has done significant damage to the hamas infrastructure, and its now in a place i think where it can move to a ceasefire. Indeed, it said it wants one, to try to bring this to a close. Would all israeli troops have to be removed from gaza as part of this cease fire agreement . Well, in the first instance, the most important thing is to, indeed, cease fire immediately and then work on what comes after that, including what happens to the troops, what happens Going Forward to ensure that hamas does not continue to rain rockets down on israel or try to send terrorists underneath the ground to kidnap or kill israelis and also what happens to try and alleviate the suffering of people in gaza and to ameliorate their circumstance so that the suffering that theyre enduring also comes to an end. I know that the u. S. Has already pledged 47 million in humanitarian aid to palestinians in gaza as an initial gesture right now. I know you like what egypt is doing to try to broker this cease fire agreement, but im hearing conflicting reports about the u. S. Attitude towards qatar. Is qatar helping or hurting this process because of their relationship with hamas . Well, the important thing is there are countries, including qatar, that have a relationship with hamas, and hamas is the odd party out. It has refused to engage in the ceasefire. We dont deal directly with hamas, so countries that do, including qatar, including turkey, have a role to play to convince hamas it needs to stop firing and stop raining these rockets down on israel. But is qatars role helpful or hurtful . I think it can be helpful, again, because we need contact points with hamas and qatar, turkey, other countries can provide that. In the next few hours, tony, the faa has to announce whether theyre lifting that ban on u. S. Flights, u. S. Carriers flying in and out of israel. Have they already told the white house that their plan is . No, wolf, i havent heard anything from them this morning. They have been working closely with israeli authorities overnight to see if the concerns that were raised yesterday can be alleviated, and they can lift the notice, but i havent heard from them yet this morning. What do you anticipate . Are you anticipating a lifting or a continuation . Wolf, theyre working through this closely with the israelis. The faa has a responsibility for the safety and security of americans and american carriers, and they take that responsibility very seriously, but theyve been working overnight with the israelis on this. Yeah, i know the israelis are very, very upset, as you can fully appreciate whats going on. Well see what the faa decides to do. Tony blinken is the Deputy National security adviser to the president. Thank you for joining us. Thanks, wolf, thanks, chris. Lets go back to john and kate in new york. Thanks. Coming up, well talk about that faa decision to halt those flights into israel after the rockets hit near tel avivs airport. 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Or get Liberty Mutual insurance. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. See Car Insurance in a whole new light. Call Liberty Mutual insurance. We are live from where mh17 began its journey in the metherlands. We all know how it ended, but today is a very different day. Behind us rows and rows of flowers and notes and people standing in support of the victims who are finally on their way home. I can do nothing but wait for their bodies. A plane carrying the remains now in the air, a day of mourning declared all across this small country. We talk to those who lost loved ones as they plead for answers. I want to find my sons body. Please release it. The u. S. Releasing new intelligence on who shot down the plane and why. The big question, just how involved was russia . We have the very latest. Im wolf blitzer in jerusalem. Also breaking, secretary of state john kerry now in israel. Chances for a ceasefire looking increasingly dim with each passing hour. Flights into tel aviv from america now halted after a rocket landed near the airport. Israel pushing to end the ban. Will the u. S. Lift the restriction . A special edition of new day continues right now. We are here in amsterdam. This is where mh17 started its journey. Behind us a number of people here is growing. Theyre coming to pay respect, there are rows and rows of flowers here. Holland known for flowers but this is not about beauty, this is about paying respect, and the people here are leaving notes for those who were lost and just for calls for peace. This is a very small country, some 17 million, so theres an intimacy when Something Like this happens, 200 lives lost from the netherlands of those 298, and this comes as there is more troubling news out of Eastern Ukraine. The Ukrainian Government reporting two fighter jets were shot down, and you are understanding is they were shot down in a region very close, within several kilometers, of where a Missile System may have been believed to be that could have taken down mh17. So this pick turb continues to get more and more troubling. Well take you through it this morning but lets start back in new york with kate and john. Thanks, chris. We also have our eye on the middle east, of course. Wolf blitzer is on the ground in jerusalem. As secretary of state john kerry arrives in israel hoping to bring about a ceasefire, wolf is going to be talking to the spokesman for israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He will be joining wolf later this hour. Also, we have now intelligence about how, at least according to the United States officials, about how mh17 was shot down. Well describe this new intelligence to you. Of course, amid the breaking news that chris just mentioned, that ukrainian Officials Say two fighter jets, two of their fighter jets, were shot down in this same region controlled by prorussian rebels. We dont know the weapons system used to shoot them down. That will be a key question Going Forward. Lets go back to chris now in amsterdam. Reporter obviously the question of who did this is dominating geopolitics right now, but here in holland and for these families, thats not what is heavy on their heart. Its the loved ones that they lost, and today finally the bodies are coming home. How many . Were not sure. Whom do they belong to . Thats going to be a longer process. Nothing is simple in a situation like this. But at least today theres a cause for hope. We feel that the eyes of the world are upon us to do this right. Reporter coming home, at least 200 bodies recovered from flight hm17 placed aboard a Dutch Military aircraft just hours ago now on their way to the netherlands. Once handed over to Forensic Experts, they will begin whats expected to be the difficult task of identifying each victim. But more agony for the families this morning. European monitors now say that up to 100 bodies, nearly a third of the 298 on board, may be missing. They didnt arrive on the train from the crash site as expected raising new questions about where they may be. The planes two black boxes awrying in the uk this morning, but experts say getting to the actual wreckage is vital because the boxes likely wont hold the key to who shot down the plane and why. The crime scene, which is what mh17 is, has been i think picked clean by the various groups that were in control of that area. I think the entire site has been compromised. Reporter u. S. Officials now ramping up the pressure on russia briefing reporters on what they say is convincing intelligence that russian militants shot it down accidentally. They point to this graphic showing the trajectory of the flight. U. S. Intelligence picking up the missile launcher being turned on, then the vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume. The u. S. Also releasing evidence of a buildup of Russian Forces in rostov city. A place they continue to ship weapons, many headed for ukraine. Today former u. S. President bill clinton delivered the keynote speech at the International Hiv Aids Conference in melbourne, australia. On board flight 17, 6 leading aids researchers planning to attend. We had to remind people that the people we lost on that airplane gave their entire lives to the proposition that our common humanity matters a hell of a lot more than our interesting differences. Reporter right now there are two australian planes in the air on the way from ukraine to here in the netherlands. Theyre going to be landing an hour from where we are right now. Today is a national day of mourning in the netherlands. Its first one theyve had since 1962 just to give you a sense of how profound an impact this has had on the entire country. We will take you live to the ceremony that will be in place there in the moment of silence that will be observed there and around the world, but were also monitoring another major situation in the world right now, the ongoing conflict in israel, and we have wolf blitzer there. Wolf . And theres no doubt, chris, that the shoot down of those two jet fighters, ukrainian jet fighters, thats only going to exacerbate the tension in that part of the world right now. In this part of the world, theres plenty of tension as well. The secretary of state john kerry, hes now hear in jerusalem. Hes trying to broker a gaza cease fire deal. He says progress has been made in bringing an end to the fighting. You heard tony blinken, the Deputy National security adviser to the president , also say some progress has been achieved. Lets see if they can close a deal though. The Palestinian Death toll rising to 649, so many of them civilians, most, in fact. Israeli soldiers, more of them were killed, two more killed in combat on tuesday bringing the number of israeli troops killed to 29. Now the u. S. Is taking action to try to protect travelers. The faa suspended flights to israels main airport in tel aviv for 24 hours. That 24hour time period getting ready to end in the next few hours. That happened after a rocket was fired from gaza and landed about a mile or so away from bthe airport. One carrier is planning to resume flights to tel aviv from philadelphia as early as tomorrow pending faa approval. No word yet from delta or united. All of that is adding a sense of urgency here in israel. Lets go to the airport, cnns Martin Savidge has been there for the last several hours. Tell our viewers, marty, whats going on. Reporter well, wolf, you know, there have been well over 2,000 missiles that have been launched. This is according to the israeli military, from gaza by hamas to israel. But it was the one that landed just about a mile in that direction that may have done the most damage of all. It wasnt the home that was heavily demolished, it was the impact on air traffic and as you point out, particularly airplanes coming from the u. S. And europe. This morning all u. S. Air carriers offering flights to israel still grounded. The faa ordering airlines to suspend trips to Ben Gurion International airport for at least 24 hours after a rocket launched by hamas demolished this home about a mile from the runways. Cnns own john voss was aboard a tel aviv bound flight when the ban took affect. He shot this video while walking off the plane diverted to paris. Some passengers taking off from tel aviv to new york on tuesday seen rushing out of the airport after sirens sounded warning of a possible rocket attack. We had to run off the plane to shelter in the middle of the airport. It was crazy. I was very nervous. Reporter former new york city mayor Michael Bloomberg boarded a flight from new york to tel aviv last night in a show of support to israel. Just trying to show its safe and its a great place to visit and israel has a right to defend its people. Reporter but the Administration Says theyre not going to overrule the faa. Frankly, the situation that we saw in ukraine only underscores the need to take extra precautions when it comes to the safety of civilian airliners. Reporter meanwhile, the bloodshed continues in gaza. The Palestinian Death toll rising to more than 640, and 2 more Israeli Soldiers were killed there overnight bringing israels death toll to at least 29 soldiers and 2 civilians. Israel believes that its being punished even though it was a terrorist act committed by hamas that basically brought about the entire closure. Economically it is hurting them and it certainly doesnt help that your top International Airport of your nation is quiet. There are flights going, but certainly nowhere near as many as 24 hours ago, wolf. Yeah, theres been an enormous amount of cancellati s cancellations. Well see what the faa will do over the next few hours. Martin savidge for us. Joining us is senator tim kaine, a democrat from virginia. Senator thanks very much for joining us. Would you feel comfortable getting on a delta or united or Us Airways Flight and flying to tel aviv right now . Well, you know, i was in israel a couple months ago, and, yes, i would feel comfortable, but i can understand why the faa or other airlines who have liability concerns, who are worried about not just what one or two passengers feel but what everybody feels, i understand why theyre being cautious, and the incident of last week demonstrates reason for caution. And the gesture, for example, of the former new york city mayor Michael Bloomberg, hes on a flight that left new york on its way here, should be landing at ben gurion airport. The fact that he wants to show solidarity, hes very convinced its safe. What do you say when someone like that, a politician like that, does that . I think, look, i dont mind it at all, and i would encourage others to do it as well but i dont think you can indict airlines for trying to be concerned about the safety of their passengers when there are rockets falling near the airport. We have a recent Airline Incident and Airlines Need to be careful about their passengers. I dont question their decision. Yeah, well see what the faa decides. That 24hour period is about to end in the next few hours. Well see what they decide to do, whether or not they lift the ban or they continue it another 24 hours. Well see what they do. You heard tony blinken say the white house has not yet been informed by the faa of that decision. If you look at the fighting thats going on, and you have been to israel several times, you understand the nature of rockets coming in, missiles coming in, more than 2,000. Israel has now responded. Some are saying israel has gone too far. Madeleine albright on this program yesterday said israel seems to be overreacting. You say . I say they have a right to defend themselves. Hamas is intentionally trying to destabilize the peace discussions between israel and the palestinian authority. They did that in 2010, and theyre doing it again in 2014. Now, when they do that, israel has a right to defend itself. The sad fact of this is that, you know, there are victims on both sides, and in a way israel is doing exactly what hamas wants it to do. Hamas is trying to destabilize the peace process. They hoped to provoke a significant response by israel, which they have, and israel has that right, but for those of us who care deeply about ultimately finding a peaceful solution where an israel and a palestine can live side by side, this is very, very grievous to see whats happening. Because there are some optimists and there are a whole lot of optimists i have to tell you, senator, in this part of the world, but there are some who believe that maybe something positive can emerge out of this and maybe that effort to achieve that socalled twostate solution, israel and palestine, could once again get off the ground. Are you among the optimists or the pest mists . Well, wolf, you have to be on optimist. Even in the darkest times what you can say is were either going to find a peaceful twostate solution as the u. N. Intended in 1947, its been the u. S. Policy since then. We affirmed it in the oslo accords. Were either going to do that and resist the efforts of hamas or others who want to pull that apart or were going to what weve seen in the last two weeks is what were likely to see for a very long time, grieving parents, dead kids, rocket attacks, destruction, and that is not a path forward. So as hard as the path to a peaceful solution may be, and it begins with a ceasefire, and then it begins with the parties back at the negotiating table, as hard as that path is, weve seen that the other path is even harder, is even more dangerous, is even more destructive, and hopefully that will hold a mirror up to all and want to have folks get back to the table. Wolf, tomorrow in israel a new president will be taking the place of shi mon perez and the new israeli president has said he doesnt believe in the need for a palestinian state. So you have hamas who does not want to recognize israel. You have some in israel who say they dont think there should be an independent state of palestine, but if you play that logic down the road, i think it only leads to more destruction and more tragedy. So hopefully this will raise a mirror to israel, to palestine, to the world, hamas will stop the unprovoked rocket attacks, there can be a ceasefire where issues like the blockade of gaza can be discussed, and then we can find a path forward. We want to turn your attention if we can to the tragedy of the downing of flight mh17. I want to get your take on the latest u. S. Intelligence assessment of the situation on the ground because there are still a lot of unanswered questions. Most specifically i think is key, have you seen any evidence that directly ties the downing of that plane to russia . I have not seen any evidence to suggest that there was a russian with his finger on the trigger saying, you know, we are going to bring this plane down, but what we have seen i think is very credible evidence that the Weapons Systems themselves were russian supplied, that their Weapons Systems that are very difficult to operate without sophisticated training. In all likelihood that training was provided by russian s and w the separatists called russian leaders, they didnt have to look up their numbers in the phone book, they called them up and said, hey, here is what weve done. All that evidence suggestions that russian fingerprints are all other this incident and the effort by Vladimir Putin and others to deny it is going to be seen through. You said it suggests that russian fingerprints are all over it. Do you think that the world needs more definitive evidence . Do you think the world will get more definitive proof that russia is more involved rather than just suggesting that they were somehow influencing the situation . Well, i would say i use the word suggest, but, look, it is clear to me beyond a reasonable doubt. Okay. And, yes, i believe more evidence will come out that will make absolutely plain that the downing of this airline was russian. Now, it may have been a mistake. It looks like the separatists thought it was going to be a military plane and then it turned out to be a Passenger Airline but thats no excuse for the behavior, and watching the outrageous treatment of the crash site, of the human remains, the kind of lying campaign that putin has engaged in, i think all of this is going to demonstrate to the nations of the world that russia is very dangerous and that the ukrainian peoples desire to move closer to europe, which is what provoked the reactions and the demonstrations last fall, its a very understandable desire to merge closer with europe. I hope the downing of the plane will also make the european nations decide to be more serious about sanctions against russia, especially in the Energy Sector because its energy that russia is trying to hold as a club over other nations heads to buy friendship. We ought to be working with european nations to help them find alternative energy paths. Lets talk about that, senator, because you may hope theyll do more but theyve shown no sign, in fact, that they will. European leaders have been meeting this week and a lot of people like you expected them to finally step up and issue some much more stiff sanctions that would hurt russia, hurt the Energy Sector there, perhaps hurt Vladimir Putin some kind of way at least diplomatically. Take france. France has a billion dollar deal with warships to sell to russia. Theyre going ahead with it. I know youre a senator from virginia, not versailles but what is your message to france about this . Well, look, being too closely associated with russia is going to lead to problems. Russia is using energy to try to buy friends but then they try to exercise influence in way that is destabilize the nations that theyre trying to influence. Thats what the ukraine example suggests, and i do think that theres eu meetings going on right now and then theres a very important nato summit in wales at the end of august, and i think eu discussions and the nato discussion in wales is going to produce a stiffer resolve in europe to try to face off and not just kowtow to russia. So on the energy side, here is what we should do. The United States should be helping europe to develop their own energy resources. We should be exploring whether strategic export of liquid natural gas from the u. S. Can help european nations wean themselves away from russian energy. There are other partners like algeria, for example, that wants to build a new Energy Pipeline under the mediterranean to supply europe. We ought to be helping european nations find other suppliers. These are all things that we can do. Russi russia is a rust belt economy with natural resources. If we can reduce the reliance of other countries on their natural resources, thats the thing we can most do that would affect the russian economy and hopefully curb this kind of completely outrageous aggression by putin. I think on the part of the United States and the part of the europeans, you say this is what we can do, but what will congress do i think is what the focus needs to be Going Forward because obviously the United States economic ties to russia are not nearly as strong as those of europe. Thats correct. But the United States does still hold quite a bit of influence in the u. S. Congress still holds quite a bit of influence over there. Right, and i think economic sanctions is likely what youll see congress embrace. But youre right, theyre going to be much more effective if european nations join with us in those sanctions. Nsenator, thank you very muc for your time. Absolutely. Other news were following. Here is a look at the headlines for you. 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Today is the day they begin their journey back home, but it wont be a simple journey, nothing has been simple so far in this, but how many bodies were not sure. Which bodies are they is not an easy a question to answer as you might think but there are experts involved who are helping and hopefully it will get done right. Lets help understand that process better. With us i have dr. Frank van der holt. Was i even close . Forensic pathologist. Im sorry that the conversation is about this but your expertise is very needed. Take us through it. We were at the crime scene. We saw the bodies there and how they were mistreated but eventually put into body bags, now in coffins. How do you go about figuring out which body belongs to which family . Well, very first although its a huge amount of losses, we know who they are. Its a distinct list. Reporter the list of possibilities. Yes. Meaning that everyone we find belongs to that list. First of all, what i do is open up the first body bag, just look who is inside. Its male, its female, how long is he, how big is he . Is he old, is he young . Thats the very first step. Blue eyes, blond hair, whatever. Reporter it assumes theyre intact, though. Thats for the intact parts. Second, tattoos, scars, jewelry. Third, dental records. And, last, dna. Reporter and then so last becomes dna. If you have body that is are difficult to work with, the forensic pathology becomes very important. What do you do . If they come in, we have to just have to look at all the parts, describe the parts. If there are distinct scars on it. Could be very typical for one specific person. Dna is, of course, a very good instrument to distinguish to look for who it is, but the bodies were in very close contact with each other and you have to take you have to be absolutely sure it belongs to the body part youre investigating. Reporter so based on what weve seen, youre going to have to do a lot of this the difficult way, the more the long you are duration way. How long could this process take . If a body is just intact, i think within a few hours you know who it is. But we must be 100 sure. I dont think in the next coming days the first one will be identified. I think this three or four days the first one can be released until the last of the entire group is identified will take weeks if not months. Reporter so now, doctor, what happens when you get to the point where all the bags are accounted for and you look at the list, and there are names that are still there . You know in Eastern Ukraine not only do you have an active conflict zone, two ukrainian fighter jets just shot down today, but that crime scene has been so abused. Yes. Reporter would you have to go . Would they still be there . Would that be a step that would simply be necessary to bring closure . Im afraid were not going to find everyone. Looking at the fact that there are many body parts, if there are still body parts left on places no one has ever looked, well, there are almost for certain gone due to animal activity. Reporter and neglect. If they had locked down the scene right away and done it the right way, the way Forensic Experts would, you would have a much better chance. I know. But looking at the circumstances, im very happy, very glad that at least theyve found this group. It could be better. We want as much as possible, but i also want the safety of the entire team, and until weve got everyone out and afterwards we can look how things could have been better, et cetera, but first of all we want to get as much as possible and then away from the zone. Reporter the horrible part is, and its such important work that you do, but you know for the families involved, the tragedy is complete, the pain is complete. They take such solace from getting a body, from getting remains so they have some part of their loved one back. Its going to be very difficult in this situation but thank you for telling us how the work will go and i wish you very good luck. Thank you. Reporter im going to go back to new york now. Guys, the bodies are coming back now. There is going to be a ceremony, it will be solemn. It will pay the respect these victims have deserved from the beginning and havent gotten and even that will give a little bit of measure to the families. The difficult process of healing and coming to grips with this situation just beginning. Right. Just coming to grips with the reality that its just unbelievable. Chris, thanks so much. Coming up next on new day, were going to have much more from amsterdam including a mother, a grandmother, and an uncle. You see them all right there. Theyre grieving the loss of two boys, brothers, who were on that flight killed on flight 17 when it went down. 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One family, two young boys going to see their grandmother in bali, so excited to be able to take a trip shall and then gone just like that. Left behind their mother, their uncle, their grandmother, their names, harun, samira, and yasmeen ka lecalehr. We spoke to them and asked them how they begin to deal with who has been taken from them. Its just indescribable. Were all in a haze. Were so numb, were so sad, and, of course, we keep thinking about the most important thing, how much did the kids suffer and we just hope and pray they didnt, it was all over very quickly. Samira, i know that i dont want you to have to talk. Im sorry you even have to listen to this, i really am. I know you want to be here to support your boys. Im sorry to have to talk about how they were gone, but i want them to be remembered and yasmine, im sorry, i know this is difficult but i dont want them to be forgotten. I want people to know how special these boys were so its not just about politics so im sorry you have to be here for this and harun i appreciate you speaking for them. Absolutely. Is it true that the young one started talking about flying and being worried and what might happen and that your family believed he may have sensed something coming . Is that true . Yeah. You know, whether you want to call it a premonition or whatever, but, i mean, the eerie thing was that right before getting on the flight after going through passport control, he ran back to his mom, my sister, who is standing next to me, and he said, you know, whats going to happen if the plane is going to crash and im going to die . Im afraid to fly. And she said dont worry, you have flown so many times before on your own. Youve been unaccompanied minor on many flights before. You will be safe. Your big brother is there. Everything will be fine. And he said, you know, whats going to happen if i die and what if god asks me a question, what should i tell him . When you think back on it, its incredibly sad and i wish we had been able to stop him from getting on that plane. Reporter you cant do that. Samira, i hope youre not doing that. Kids say things all the time but its not fair to you. Its true theres a third boy and there was no Seat Available on this flight otherwise he would have been on it also. Correct. Reporter but hes home, hes safe. Hes home but hes devastated. Were very worried about him. Hes 16 years old and he lost two of his best friends. Reporter i know one of the reasons that its important for you to speak for your family is because of what happened after this completely wrong act of taking this plane out of the sky, the disrespect, the indignity, how its being treated there by these militants, but what does that mean to you that not only were their lives taken so wrongfully but everything that happened afterwards . Thats probably the biggest insult adding insult to injury. I understand this is a war zone and theres a lot of animosity between the parties, but these people behaved like animals. Our kids and the 296 other victims, they were not part and parcel of this horrible war thats going on over there. They had nothing to do with this. Theyre innocent parties and its sacrilegious what was going on with their remains and they should have been treated more respectfully. Reporter how are you handling or preparing to handle the idea of whether your boys come back now . Do you prepare for that . Thats what we pray for, that at least well have something to hold onto, something to put in a grave. Reporter i am sorry to meet you this way. So am i. I appreciate it though. Samira, our heart goes out to you. Im so sorry for what you have lost and yasmine. Thank you. And thanks cnn to show the world what never should have been shown. Its not just us. It is people crying every minute for the same reasons we are crying. When i see you and everybody and the flowers, there is always hope, and we have to move on. I dont know how, but we have to because they were incredible kids. I just told you, they were just incredible. We never knew how many lives they touched until now. We thought it was just us, but its amazing. So they havent lived for nothing and i thank all of you to try to help us through this process. Reporter yasmine is strong and so much perspective and she said to me afterwards that she really does hope that people do look at this situation not just to point fingers but to realize that no matter how it happened, it was wrong, and that every time there is an act of violence like this, the reverberations of who is hurt by it go well beyond even the number of victims. We thank them very much, and theres so many families like them who have lost something that cant be replaced, and today begins the process hopefully of them being able to find some closure and bury their loved ones. We dont know. We dont know who is coming home yet and who isnt. Were going to hear a lot of stories like this, and we thank them for sharing theirs with us this morning. Back to you guys. Sad but also inspiring to hear that grandmother say, theres always hope. I know. It just really sticks with you she says where is humanity going . But then she still says she sees hope. I mean, that is quite a message in the midst of what theyre all going through. Chris, thanks so much. Were going to get back out there shortly. Coming up next on new day well turn to the other big story were all keeping our eye on. Secretary of state john kerry is in jerusalem trying to help broker a peace between israel and hamas, bring some peace to gaza. Will a lasting agreement be reached this time . Wolf blitzer is going to be speaking with a spokesman for israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shortly. Well be right back. Secretary of state john kerry is in jerusalem making urgent visits to leaders on both sides of the middle east conflict. Hes calling for an immediate cease fire. Theres no stopping the bloodshed though right now. The Palestinian Death toll is now up to 649 according to palestinian authorities in gaza. 32 israelis have been killed, all but 3 of them Israeli Soldiers. Joining us now is mark regev, the spokesman for the israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. I want to get to all of that in a moment, mark, but first of all, the faa decision to suspend u. S. Airlines from flying in and out of ben gurion airport, that 24hour suspension is about to end. Has the government of israel been notified yet from the u. S. Government, the faa, if it wants to continue that suspension or end it . Of any final decision on the american side. I can tell you the following, i drove into tel aviv this morning, i passed that ben gurion airport, i saw flights taking off, i saw flights landing, that airport is fu functioning, that airport is running, and most importantly that airport is secure. Its one of the most protected facilities in my country. With all this conflict, not one rocket has fallen inside the airport, not on the terminal, not on the runway and thats because that airport is protected by a multifaceted, multilayer defense perimeter, defense package that makes sure that anyone flying into or out of israel is safe. But you know the faa points out that yesterday a rocket did land about a mile outside of ben gurion airport. They say their ground rules are basically that if a rocket hits an area so close to an airport, they have to investigate. They have to err on the side of caution and suspend flights. You say . I say we knew about that rocket. We were tracking it for about three minutes, our air force. We could have taken it down, but because we saw that it wasnt going to hit inside the airport, we let it through. One of the marvels of the antiMissile System that we have, that iron doan system, is you can track exactly where the incoming rocket is going to hit and then you make a choice of whether you want to take it down or not. Any incoming rocket that would hit the airport, as i say the terminals or the runway, that would be immediately taken out by our system, and once again i say with pride, i think israel is recognized as a Global Leader in Aviation Security and aviation safety, both for our air terminal and for our aircraft themselves, and we take pride in that. Once against our airport is working and our airport is safe and i invite the american carriers to return as soon as theyre ready. Was that a mistake though to not use that iron dome and knock out that rocket that landed a mile outside the airport . With hindsight, was it a mistake not to blow it up in the sky . I dont know. Obviously there were no casualties from that attack, but lets be clear here, we are now having a dialogue, our Aviation Security people are having a dialogue with the american counterparts, with the american Aviation Security people. Were being totally transparent. We want a professional to professional dialogue and we believe that our airport is as safe as any airport in the United States. Weve taken all these tips that need to be done to make sure that air traffic coming in and going out of israel is absolutely safe and im sure of that. Whats the status of the effort to get an immediate cease fire . We know the secretary of state john kerry is in israel right now. Whats the status of that effort . How close is he, the egyptians, others at brokering a deal . Well, as you know, rockets continued to be fired on israeli cities today, and thats probably the largest and most important factor because hamas up until now has rejected all attempts to bring about a ceasefire. Israel accepted an egyptian proposal for a ceasefire about a week ago. We ceased all hostile fire against gaza. We stopped targeting the terrorists in gaza. You were with me that morning. We held our fire for six hours and hamas kept shooting at israel. Since then there were two or three other humanitarian cease fires to allow the red cross to do its job, to allow the u. N. To do humanitarian assistance. We honored all those cease fires and hamas either rejected them or violated those cease fires. So i think the ball is clearly in hamas court. If hamas does stop launching rockets and missiles into israel, will israel stop its military operation in gaza . Wolf, our goal is clear, our goal is a sustained peace and security, an end to those rockets coming in from the gaza strip at our cities, an end to those terrorists tunneling under the border to come to our side of the frontier and shoot and kill people with weapons and explosives. We want a sustained period of quiet for our people so they dont have to live in fear of those incoming rockets or terror attacks from gaza. If that can be achieved through diplomacy, we will embrace that. Mark regev is the spokesman for Benjamin Netanyahu. Mark, thanks very much for joining us. Let me go back to kate in new york. Kate, i have to tell you the tension level here is still quite high. Everyone seems to be wondering in the next few hours whether or not the faa will or will not lift that ban on u. S. Flights coming into ben gurion airport. Well stay on top of the story. And also what will secretary of state john kerry be able to do to try to move this situation along. Well see. Wolf, thanks so much. Wolf blits blitzer continuing h great report on the ground. Investigators are looking at flight 17s black boxes. Can they figure out who brought down the plane from this information. How is this process going to proceed . Are experts are weighing in. Our. 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The black boxes from flight 17 are now in the United Kingdom where they will be analyzed by investigators there. Will they be able to learn what brought down the plane . What will they be able to really learn from these black lboxes . Lets discuss this with a former faa inspector and author of why planes crash. David, this gets to an important part of the investigation. This isnt the entire investigation, but this is an important part. These are the black boxes that were sent to the United Kingdom. Lets start off with the most simple aspect. What can they learn from black boxes even before can they learn anything before they open them up . Do you think there will be forensic analysis of the exterior . Thats part of it, yes, but thats not really going to give them much information. Theres more information about that in the structure of the aircraft which is still there, whats left of it. Exactly. But these boxes will give a couple pieces of valid information. As the trials progress in the future if they find out who to hold accountable, if theres lawsuits against malaysia airlines, all that information, that will really affect the case because if there was an attempt to communicate with the aircraft before hand and they didnt react, of course that proves liability two Different Things you have here. You have the flout data recorder. You also have the cockpit voice recorder. Right. You have two different types of analysis that you have got between these two boxes. I even read they may even be able to figure out the trajectory of where the missile was coming from from these . Yes, what i was saying in that realm is that you can actually from this it will tell you exactly what flight attitude the aircraft was, if its flying up, down, left, right. From that you can know when the missile hit the aircraft and you can align the impact point of the shrapnel and where it exits from the aircraft. If you align those two points tracking that back you can get a general vicinity what are the limitations of all this . What are the limitations of the information . As far as the physical movements and whats gone on physically on the aircraft, very few limitations. Theres 10,000 data points in this box. That gives you almost everything you need to know about the movement of the aircraft. In the cockpit voice recorder however, all that is is two hours of what has gone on. The noises and the sounds in the cockpit. You can actually identify which switches have been turned on or off from whats on this recording. And you can hear if the pilots had any idea this was coming their way. Thats correct. I want to get your quick take also on this is an image that was released by the u. S. Government. This is taking a look at this is a satellite image of where they believe is the trajectory of the missile and, of course, where the plane was going. Why is this important . This is important because we can identify whether the pilot would have seen it coming or not as far as how much time. If you look at the distance on this from here to here, this is the the closure rate, if this is going approximately 500 miles an hour, this missile this is a math problem you had as a kid. So you end up with 3,000 Miles Per Hour closure rate. So this is approximately 20 miles. That means that from here to here was 16 seconds. 16 seconds from the moment it was launched so the moment that it made impact. From the moment the button was pushed to the moment it impacted the aircraft. Not much time. Not much time at all. David, a lot of information being released but a lot of information that we still dont know and that comes back to these black boxes and any of these images were getting from the u. S. Government and other intelligence sources. John . Thanks so much, kate. 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