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in murrysville, pennsylvania. hes has the latest. >> this happened in a particularly vulnerable time at the school. just the beginning of the day. students were not in the classrooms. they were in the hallways. there were many heros in all of this. two assistant principals who subdued this young man. when they did, he said he wanteded to die. it has happened again. this time a 16-year-old sophomore alex hribal harmed with two eight- to ten-inch kitchen knives. >> someone yelled, i got stabbed. >> reporter: stabbing in some cases, slashing classmates and even a school police officer. panic just after 7:00 a.m. >> i was seeing people getting shoved into lockers. that's whenever the boy ran past me and i saw him tackle someone else. and that's when everyone just started screaming and running out of the door. >> reporter: police arriving within minutes, the fire alarm sounding. cha chaos. >> a lot of evidence of blood on the floors in the hallway. we had students running about trying to get out of the area. >> reporter: and there were heroic acts. the assistant principals who tackled hribal, then subdued him. students who applied pressure to the wounds of their friends, never leaving their sides. the fbi descending on the suspect's residence. agents seized hribal's personal computer, search for clues on what made him go on this rampage. hribal's father, clearly shaken, only had words for the victims hribal's lawyer says this is completely uncharacteristic of alex and something must have set him off. >> this is a nice young man. he's never been in trouble. he's not a loner. he works well with other kids at school. >> what sort of kid is he? >> he's a quiet kid who just sits in the back of the classroom. you don't hear too much from him. >> reporter: for parents here, shock. >> we saw the news and what did it say something about a bloodbath? you can't believe you're looking at that and it's your school because it's always somebody else's school. >> reporter: this is a very quiet idyllic sort of neighborhood and town. it is shocking that it would happen here. one thing that neighbors -- or s a three-inch knife. he had an eight- to ten-inch kitchen life on him. he was holding it like this and stabbing into the lower part of individuals. one person saying that the boyfriend of a girl stepped in front of the way, taking the blow instead of her. chris? >> miguel, knives aside, we do hear that he was aiming for the chest as well. a lot of chest wounds, you know, the words that are coming out of you now we've all heard too many times. and the questions are familiar, but just as important as always. why did this happen and how was it stopped? we're going to get answers to both of those hopefully today. coming up on "new day" in a few minutes we're going to speak with the attorney for this disturbed young man. also, we're going to talk to the superintendent of schools and the student in the hallway and survived the rampage. we'll have all that for you coming up. the search for malaysia flight 370. officials confirming just minutes ago that searchers detected a possible underwater signal in their search for the missing jetliner. that still needs to be analyzed but it is yet another promising lead. this would be the first ping heard and detected since tuesday. the search zone has already been narrowed to focus on where those initial pings were heard in the past week. erin mclaughlin is live in perth, australia, with the latest on this news. tell us more about the news that just came out moments ago, erin. >> hi, kate, that's right. australian officials confirming to cnn that the raaf orion plane picked up signals in the vicinity of the "ocean shield" from sonar bouys that were deployed. the acoustic data will need to be analyzed overnight but it is promising. now, in addition to that very sensitive work that the "ocean shield" is carrying out with that american-provided towed ping locator combing the water trying to pick up on the pings, they deployed these p-3s capable of deploying 80 at a time, capable of detecting possible pings in the surrounding areas. this is significant because it tells officials here in australia that the batteries at this point they say are most likely associated with the black box pinger have not died. they are still deteching these pings that means they are getting more information to be able to narrow down a potential search field. and that's important for them to deploy the underwater autonomous vehicle on board that "ocean shield," the american provided blue fin 21. the narrower the search field the easier it's going to be for them to be able to gounds nooet the water and find the actual wreckage. very promising developments here in australia. but again, they're still -- while they're saying they're promising signals they do still need to determine whether or not these are, in fact, from the missing plane. kate? >> let's dig deeper on this latest news just coming in with mary schiavo and attorney who represents victims and families after airplane disasters. and david gallo, co-leader in the search for air france 447 and director of special projects. good morning to both of you. mary, let me get your take real quick on what erin was just reporting. i hope you were able to hear her. >> right. >> i believe this was the first time we've had a sonar detection, acoustic detection from one of the planes from the sonobuoys, what does it tell us? >> one that the badries apparently are still alive which is very, very good news. they extended their regulatory shelf life, if you will. but also that the sonar buoys are helping. once the underwater submersibles go into the the water it will be weeks and not months. there have been other accidents where it's taken many months after the pingings were picked up to find it. here they want to limit that, narrow it down. >> narrowing it down, david, is exactly the whole goal of what they've been doing over the past few days since the past week since they've had the initial pings. talk to me a little bit about how sonar buoys assist in the search. when i started learning about them and they drop some 84 of them overnight i was a bit confused because they only can really -- they put a microphone down just some 1,000 feet when you have a tpl that can go down 20,000 feet. >> yeah. the advantage of these buoys, the sonobuys is they can hang just below the thermolayer. above that you can block the sound because the density of the water is different. these can be very quiet. there's no ship at all. these have no ship attached. they are dropped by an airplane and that's fantastic. just perfect quiet. >> the quiet is an important part of this, mary, because we have the "ocean shield" which obviously has been taking the lead in trying to track the pings and further pings. we've also been told the hms echo was going to be moved into that area. i found that a little surprising just for the pure fact they wanted utter silence if possible. >> well, but once they move it in they will shut down absolutely all unnecessary equipment to try to maintain the silence. moving it in and getting in position will be noisy but then they can literally quiet down the ship just as it did with the "ocean shield." the "ocean shield" had to do that as well. the thought with more ears, sonar buoys and the "echo" along with the "shield," they don't know how long their luck will hold on with the batteries. >> talk to me further about what kind of information this latest detection can offer. they obviously say they need more analysis but what kind of analysis are they going to go through right now to help inform their search? >> the most important thing is how many sounds are they hearing? can they locate one source on the bottom? can they locate both black box snes that's critically important because when they put that -- the blue fin 21 in the water they're going to want to throw it like a dart into the bull's-eye. you don't want to take a lot of risks with that, with that piece of technology. every time they get a hit or hear a ping they can narrow down that search zone. >> how much narrower would they prefer to have it? of course they would like it to be just absolutely a bull's-eye but we've got the two pings 15rks 17 miles apart. i guess we could say that's large but it's really small when you think about where we began. >> that's right, kate. that's where they detected the pings. so maybe the locations of the boxes are close together. that's where the tpl was when they heard the pings or the sonobuoy was. they may be closer together. ideally the pings would take them right to the location of the black box. anything close. compared to what we had to work with in the beginning, this is fantastic. >> you have this new today, mary. what do you do now? do they move more bouys around or drop more in or does this assist in their triagulation as we heard about? >> they will use the assets they have there to listen and narrow it down. if they are still getting pings and they still haven't been able to narrow it down then maybe more resources. for now they're going to let those resources work. >> and they're going to have to work quite hard. as we know, david, they've got these batteries are running out. but this is promising, right? >> very promising. again, think of where we were a week ago when we had no idea where in the indian ocean the plane was likely to be. now every single time they get another ping it's adding more to the evidence that this is the spot. >> improve the calculation. i want to talk about what's going to happen when we do send that blue fin down, what happens when we go under the surface to try to get eyes on whatever is down there next time we speak with you guys. mary, david, thank you so much. john, over to you. happening right now, oscar pistorius being grilled on the witness stand at his murder trial. prosecutors trying to trip him up as he talks about his relationship with his girlfriend reeva steencamp. pistorius admits he never told steencamp he never loved her and never apologized to her family in person. we're going to go live in the courthouse in pretoria in a few minutes. it has been quite a morning there. the clock ticking in ukraine. the government giving protesters who have taken over government buildings and called for succession 48 hours either to negotiate or face ukrainian forces. a short time ago the president there said protesters will not be prosecuted if they disarm and walk away. in the meantime, moscow is saying there is no reason to worry about the 40,000 or so russian troops near that border, saying they're conducting military exercises. the u.s. has accused them of stirring up protests and excuse to send its military over the border into ukraine. intense manhunt under way in florida as police look for the man they say was behind a deadly car crash at a day care center. robert alice was allege i'dly behind the wheel went his suv hit another car pushing it into a day care center near orlando. one child died. another 14 were hurt. police say it appears he ditched the suv and is now trying to get out of town. a congressional briefing today set to point the finger at russia for failing to give the fbi enough information about one of the boston marathon bombing suspects. the report is expected to say that tamerlan tsarnaev had raised suspicions at least two years before the attack but it was only after the attack that russia provided more details including a phone call where tsarnaev discussed islamic jihad. we are just one week away from the anniversary of that attack in boston. a little more than a week away until the next running in boston. >> it will be very important to be up there. just like we covered when things were terrible, it's now important to comp boston strong and show how far it's come. we're looking forward to being there. so far this morning the news has been bleak. we need something good. a lot of pressure but i'm feeling good about where we're going right now with meteorologist eindra petersons. >> you know there's rain but i have good news. we've been waiting for so long. what a horrible winter we through. you can see the middle of the country. down in the southeast, clear. that is good news because today is round one of the masters. look at that. gorgeous into the southeast today. that's the beautiful weather there. yes, you we know, there is some rain but it is light. maybe up towards the front. by friday into the northeast. clearing out in the northeast for the weekend. that is is key. the midwest will see showers over the weekend. a second system behind it moves in. get over the rain, look at this. we were talking about above normal temperatures even in the midwest after two fronts go through. no biggie. even the northeast, front goes through. who cares. you're even talking about 60s out there. even some 70s once you talk about d.c. go farther down in the southeast, 70s getting close to the 80s. if you are going west though, it is hot. maybe this time a little bit too hot. record breaking heat. over 100 degrees in many places spop that's the tough spot but overall everyone is warm and dry, kind of. at least by saturday and sunday. that's the key there. dry. >> all right. thanks. >> well-done. >> bravo, my friend. >> i feel the mandate was met. >> perfect. >> something you don't here often days. coming up on "new day," everything we know about this teen stabbing suspect. very important we understand why this happened, how to stop it going forward. we do know this community is in shock because no one who knows this kid can believe he did this. what's his defense going to be in court? 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>> we're trying to figure that out. the first thing we want to do this morning is to get his parents to see him. this child left for school yesterday morning and that's the last time they saw him. this is a nice young boy. nobody would expect this. this is not a dysfunctional family. they are like the brady bunch. these parents are active with their two sons. and we're trying to figure out what happened. so we're going to get some mental health experts involved with this and try to figure it out. >> well, you know, it's hard for people to see him as a nice young kid when he goes rampaging through the halls of the school with two knives in his hands. obviously everything he did was not nice and the question is why he did it. do you know anything about any history? you say get mental health involved now. were they involved in the past? was the kid bullies? there has to be something. >> there has -- he has never had any mental health problems whatsoever. he's never been in a juvenile court system. he was a well-liked student. he wasn't -- you know how some kids refer to other students as weirdo weirdos. he's not. he's not a loner. he interacted well with other students. we're going to try to figure out what happened here. obviously there's a problem. you just don't believe and go to school and do what he did yesterday. and the parents are horrified by this, naturally. this is not their son. they can't figure it out, either. but obviously there was some deep-rooted problem somewhere which caused him to do this. right now he's -- you know, he's a young kid. he's frightened. he's scared. he's depressed. so we're going to try to help him out and i'll figure out what happened here. >> 16, he still has good reason to feel all of those things right now because imagine what the victims are feeling and their families after what happened yesterday. the digital footprint is going to be very important. does the family know where this kid was online, what he's been saying, who he may have become there, what he's been influenced by? >> yes. this wasn't a family or isn't a family that ignored their children. they were very cognizant of who they communicated with online. there wasn't any arguments or any beef that he had with any other student that we're aware of. i've heard these rumors about being bullied. i don't believe that's true. i haven't had enough time to really sit with him and talk this through. i got to see him yesterday for about 20 minutes before he was arraigned and taken away to the juvenile center. but in the next few days we'll sit down and i'll talk through this and try to determine where we go from here. >> tell me about those 20 minutes. >> well, you know, they had taken him to the hospital because he had some injuries himself. and he was frightened, sad, depressed. sort of disoriented, quite frankly. everything was happening so quickly. he had been in custody by the time i saw him for about 12 or 13 hours. and i didn't get to spend that much time with him. but i will do that today. >> did you find the opportunity to ask him why did you do this? >> well, i'm not going to -- you know, i don't want to share my discussions with him. we're going to fig their out down the road. >> did he have a reason? >> i'm not being rude. >> you don't have to tell me what it was but did he have a reason? >> not that i'm aware of at this point. >> well, that's the most troubling thing, right? absence of any type of motivation is usually an indication of significant instability. >> sure. >> so the question is what it is. it can't be nothing. it can't be a mystery. it can't be a one off. it never is, counselor. you know that. >> no, i know that. and like i said, i'm sure that at a certain point we'll find out what caused this. there -- maybe there is something that was going on at school that i'm not aware of yet or his parents aren't aware of yet. but you're absolutely right. this kind of situation doesn't occur just for no reason. i'm sure there's something there that his parents were not aware of that he will ultimately reveal to me, i hope. >> and the weapons involved. were these just knives that he grabbed out of his folks' kitchen or are these things that he obtained outside the home, were they tactical knives, were they hunting knifes? >> no, they were just regular steak knives that you or i will have in our drawer another home in our own homes. they were just, you know, as his father even remarked to me, i've never had a reason to count the knives in the drawer, for goodness sakes. just regular knives. >> counselor, one last question. procedurally, are you looking to remove this and keep it in juvenile court? there's going to be somewhat of an effort to charge him as an adult. why do you think he deserves to be treated as a juvenile? >> well, he is charged as an adult now under pennsylvania law. there's a specific law. so the burden's on the we defense to try to convince the judge to send it to juvenile court for disposition. and the factors that go into that are factors that you normally would talk about. his lack of a criminal history, his family ties, his mental capacity, those are all things that normally you have mental health experts testify in court about those. and the standard actually is whether he's amenable to treatment in the juvenile system. in pennsylvania they would have jurisdiction over him for five years, until he was 21 years old. >> did they have guns in the house? >> no. >> mr. thomassey, this is very confusing. sorry to put you to the test here this morning but you know in situations like this it makes so little sense. it is so horrific to so big a portion of the community, the best we can do to figure out why and help stop it and make sure the right thing happens for the victims and families here is of paramount importance. thank you for joining us. >> sure. >> kate, over to you. >> chris, thanks. coming up next on "new day," oscar pistorius sparring with the prosecution at his murder trial. even forced to admit he never got to tell reeva steencamp he loved her. we're going to go live to pretoria for more. and also ahead, a new ping detected in the search for flight 370. we'll have the very latest on the search coming up. ♪ [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. 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>> i would love to have the opportunity one day to meet reeva's parents. i never got the opportunity before. >> reporter: the prosecution reading allowed text message disputes. pistorius says some of her messages were untrue. the olympian questioned about high steencamp wrote, i'm scared of you sometimes and how you snap at me. >> why would she be scared of you? >> i think she's scared of the feelings that she has for me and the way that i rushed her off. >> reporter: the prosecution also rehashing an incident where one of the olympian's friends passed a gun to him underneath a restaurant table. when pistorius says it accidentally went off in his hands. >> you fired that gun. there is no other way that bullet could have been discharged without you pulling the trigger. you are lying. >> i didn't pull the trigger on the firearm. >> reporter: a month before he shot and killed steencamp. >> that gun cannot fire if you don't pull the trigger. >> reporter: on wednesday the prosecution presented video of the athlete shooting watermelons. saying, as they explode, it's a lot softer than brains. >> you know that same happened to reeva's head, it exploded. >> reporter: comparing the melon to steencamp's head wound. the prosecutor pressuring pistorius to look at a graphic photo. >> i've taken responsibility but i will not look at a picture where i'm tormented by what i saw and felt that night. as i picked reeva up my fingers touched her head. i remember. i don't have to look at a picture. i was there. >> reporter: pistorius says shooting reeva was a tragic mistake. >> i shot because i was, at that point, with that split moment, i believed somebody was coming out to attack me. >> reporter: the olympian battling with the prosecutor who is determined to prove it was murder. >> you killed her, you shot and killed her. won't you take responsibility for that? >> i did, my lady. >> say it then. say yes. i killed -- i shot and killed reeva steencamp. >> i did, my lady. >> okay. unlike previous days, oscar pistorius has been quite emotionless, i think, in court today. quite calm, quite collected. perhaps a little bit more confident. this despite the fact that the prosecutor said to him a number of times you haven't taken responsibility and you're a liar. chris, back to you. >> also been a lot less detailed in some of his answers which is to be expected on cross-examination. this dynamic will well determine his guilt or innocence in this case. we're going to follow very closely. thank you very much. we'll be back to you for sure. other news as well you need to hear about this morning. john berman is in for michaela. >> we have break news this morning. australian officials say that now sonar buoys picked up possible underwater signals in this narrowed down search area. the signals still have to be analyzed to determine if it is from the black boxes. this would be the first ping heard since tuesday and really the first using this technology, not from the towed pinger locator. 14 planes, 13 ships out searching today. now to suburban pittsburgh where a high school sophomore, 16-year-old alex hribal is now charged as an adult for allegedly stabbing or slashing 21 people. four are in critical condition this morning. investigators have seized hribal's phone and computer, as well as his parents' computers. breaking over nig. general motors is reportedly asking nasa to help in this investigation into the recall of millions of cars for faulty ignition switches. the detroit news says the head of nasa's engineering and safety center will lead an independent review to determine whether the cars are safe to drive. nasa and general motorses have not yet responded to cnn's request for comments on this story. guys? >> all right, thanks so much, john. let's take another break. coming up next on n"new day," a quiet town. what drove the young suspect to allegedly slash his way through a high school. we'll have more on this. also, a new signal heard in the indian ocean. surface sonar buoys hearing something possibly from the missing plane. but the inevitable underwater search still a huge task. we're going to hear from a former faa inspector about what the crews are facing. each year, 95% of homeowners won't have a claim. that's why allstate claim free rewards gives you money back for every year you don't have one. and why if you're part of the other 5%, allstate offers claim rateguard. so your rates won't go up just because of a claim. no matter what comes your way, your home protects you. ...protect it back allstate home insurance from an allstate agent. we are following breaking news in the flight -- in the search for flight 370. australian plane picked up a possible signal from sonar buoys in the water. that data needs to go through more analysis. we'll have more from you as we get new information. but let's discuss this and much, much more on how they are not only -- what they're going to do with this. david soucie is here, of course, but what they're going to do also with going forward with the pings. let's start with the latest information and the sonar buoy. this, i believe, is the first time we have detected a signal from the sonar buoys. walk me through what they do, how they put them in the water and how they use these. >> sonobuoy is put into the water by dropping it out of the back of the airplane. they can deploy as many as 80 or so out of one aircraft. the reason i think they were getting the pings out of them because they centralized the location. they've been dropping sonobuoys all along. but this time they put them in what is already identified as an area of where it's likely to be. so now they're dropping them. they will go 1,000 feet below the surface of the water. >> i tell you, when you initially hear that it only gets you 1,000 feet below it does offer a little bit of skepticism because you have the towed pinger locator going to a maximum depth of 20,000 feet to listen. why is this effective? >> well, because what it's going to identify is the farthest reach of the ping. now, again, that's below the thermal layer because the ping sound is going up to the thermal layer and bouncing back down which we'll talk about later here. as that sonobuoy -- as the pinger is creating this, the sent sonobuoy just has to reach down to get that. it's not an accurate location like it's right underneath me or over here because it's not sensing the strength of the signal. it's just saying there's a signal here. >> what do they do with this going forward? i was reading that overnight they had put in some 84 of these in just this one kind of -- in this one location. what are they going to take from this information? how does it help in the effort to narrow the search field? >> what it's going to do mostly, the ofinformation is going to s here is where the "ocean shield" needs to go and get down to depth and see what's going on down below and narrow in on what it is that's going onnd where that pinger might be. >> i'd like to if we can to change to the next animation and move through. i'm going to have to figure this out because they put up a different one that i'm used to. >> this is the arc. >> this is when we move into the concept of triagulation. >> correct. >> it's confusing, obviously. >> right. >> here are the four pings that have been detected. >> this is the actual path of the "ocean shield" and where it went, making the turns, going up this way and coming back down. you can see they're attempting to make a grid along this arc. you saw the arc before. >> yeah. >> that was in here before. now you can see that you're starting to pick up these pings. you have a two-hour ping and few others. some are outside, way far away. >> this seems scattered to the uninitiated eye. there is a method to this? >> absolutely, there is. you can see they're starting to come together here. partly the reason the way it is is because when you're dragging the pinger you have to pull it back up again to make this turn. you have four or five miles of cable hanging behind you so you can't just make the turn and expect it to go because the detector would drop to the bottom. >> and how -- now, let me see -- i think this is going to help us and also showing the path and how they narrow this down. >> right. >> explain. this is the climbing the ladder or the mowing the lawn. >> exactly. mowing the lawn. >> this is what we're seeing. >> this is a really good mowing of the lawn. this is more like a golf course. >> cleaned up. >> you're going to go both directions. what you're trying to do here as you make thes passes is you're going to pick up these pingers, ping receptions, and as you can pick them up you're going to listen to houw many decibels there are. >> these are maybe the weaker ones? >> right. >> what you're trying to do is then narrow it down to these stronger signals? >> yeah. if these are the three stronger signals -- for example, this is the two-hour signal which is really the only one of true validity right now. it skirting the outside ones. they haven't even looked up here in the north yet. they're starting that today. this gives you that. if you look at these three strong signals, three of them, that's where you start your search. why do they need more? you've got three strong -- let's say we have four strong signals. why do you want more? >> actually what we have now is only one really strong signal. that was the two-hour one. these others, one could be skirting the outer limbs of what that pinger can radiate out. so you've got the pings coming out. now, the others out here could be one of two things. either they're inside here and the battery is getting weak but we kind of know that's not the case. it's been going for a day. lithium batteries don't slowly degrade over days. they will degrade and then they'll stop. >> and potentially detected something just overnight. >> exactly. the sonobuoys are out here and getting weaker signals. but that could be from a number of things. one is it can be refracted. these signals can be bouncing off of that thermal layer that dave gallo talked about earlier. it's really degraded signal. it starts at 160 db. by time you're out here they're only being received at maybe 30 to 40db. >> it really does get degraded. >> yeah. >> what is -- let's see right here. let's talk about -- i want to just get your take because it's interesting talking about the depth and the silt factor. >> right. >> how does this play into all of this? we're working on the triangulation. they want more pings. >> yeah. >> talk to we me about how the depth then when we are looking at going beneath the surface with the bluefin and the silt that we discussed. >> in this next stage there's a couple of things in play here. one is the silt has two different affects. it's positive in one way in that you've got a more flat debris field. you're not looking at rocks. silt is the debris covering it. as debris falls on to that silt the heavier smaller items may fall down into the silt. on several other accidents that we've investigated the engines in the silt, same silt base, has sat on top of that silt and not even fallen into it because of currents and other reasons that it just doesn't go down inside. the small things like the pinger boxes and black boxes, they may be down inside there. the two ways to search once you're down there is visually by using cameras or by sonar. sonar is fantastic for this because it can see down into the silt. >> visually is where you would have a problem. sonar, what the bluefin offers, would not be a problem. >> right. it would identify any hard objects and which ones are manmade objects versus rocks at that level. you will start at a pretty high level which gives you a wider swath of sonar. then once you say, hey, there's something interesting here, then you can come back at a lower level and get a much more detailed, because here you're only at about 400 megahertz signals, which are not giving you a really detailed picture. >> let's just hope we can move into this stage of the investigation of the search very, very soon. >> yeah. >> david, great i don't know. you can take the magic wall home with you. thank you so much. chris? 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>> we received word that this morning around 1:00 a.m. that one of the victims that was in critical condition has been taken back into surgery. >> so at least one of them is still very much in harm's way and people have to remember that as we go through. the others, though, to your knowledge has been discharged or they're being seen as stable or in fair condition? >> yeah. i don't know, chris, at this time how many have been discharged, if they are in stable condition, that's correct. >> what's your understanding about what was going on inside of this school, how much intentionality there was by this kid with these two knives? what was the behavior? >> we believe through the investigation that this was random. we don't have anybody that was targeted, as far as we know at this point. the suspect went up the hall with two knives, slashing motions to a lot of students. and one of the security guards. >> so he was trying to do as much damage as possible. there was nothing random about this. there was intention behind it. that's our understanding as well. superintendent, the understanding of how this was stopped, it's always the case in these horrible mass -- these kind of situations that somebody has to step up and do something that's extraordinary. what happened here? >> what happened here was hour school resource officer, assistant principal sam king intervened in the situation. sam king tackled the actor, at which point as he was being tackled, joe melon was able to get the weapons away from the student and the officer was able to cuff and search the actor. so all three of them intervened in a way that was courageous and the way that i would hope that any educator would respond to such a horrific education. >> it takes such guts when you see the damage being done. were any of them hurt when they were subduing this guy? >> i'm going to let the chief respond to that. >> assist aboant principal sam was not cut or injured in that manner. he did receive medical treatment for chest pains. he's fine, by the way. >> now we have to think about how we treat the kids going forward. do you have counseling and therapy in place? what's the plan? you're dealing with vulnerable emotions and minds here. >> well, the school district has set a plan in motion. the first and foremost thing that the school district is concerned with is to bring back some normalcy to schools. so the elementaries and middle schools have been reopened as of this morning. normal schedule will occur this morning for the elementaries and middle schools. the high school remains closed during the restoration process and we're hoping to have the high school reopened on monday. counselors are available for all students, both in the high school, middle, and elementary schools to make sure that if a child, a parent, a faculty member needs any type of assistance we want to make sure that we are provide that for them. but you know, we go back to all the plan that we've done in the past, working really closely with the franklin regional school district to make sure that we're planning for these type of things because our nation has changed over the years and we want to make sure that we do the right things for all those that are in our care and custody during the school day. and we work from the department of public safety very closely with franklin regional and all the other school districts in westmoreland county to provide whatever training is necessary and assistance in their planning. and ironically, not less -- over the past year we've had at least two in-school trainings, both the table top and a functional exercise to make sure that the school's plan is in order and ready to move. but in any situation like this, you can plan and have the best plans in place, you can never be prepared for what might happen. >> chief, what's the best guess on why this happened? the word from his lawyer is nobody saw it coming, it was just a random event, we don't know. we both know that's almost never the case, that there's no indication that something like this is going to happen and it just happens. do you have any information yet on motive here? >> we don't. chris, we had received word that there was possibly a phoned threat the night before. we don't have any concrete evidence to that effect yet but we are investigating that. and any other reason that we may find that led to this. >> you getting help from the fbi but you guys can handle your business now. you're going to know the community around this kid and obviously, is it safe to say the key is going to be the digital footprint here, who he was online, where he was, what he was influenced by? >> we hope the electronic devices were seized by the fbi. they will be analyzed to see what evidence, if any, exists on that was related to this incident. >> superintendent, ending with you. you know, this is like a scene out of the "following" what this school had to live with here. it's a hot show now. who knows if this kid was watching this gory violence with these knives. what is your message to the community? there is fear that we've changed as mr. stevens was just saying, that people are more violent, more bad things happen. what is the message to calm the nerves coming out of something like this? >> well, i can talk about is the franklin regional school community. i've been here for approximately a year. and yesterday was horrific. single incident with the single actor was absolutely horrible. but what i've seen since i've come to franklin regional is a community that really is centered around their kids, around the best interest of their kids, a community that cares deeply about their greatest asset, what they consider to be their greatest asset, which is their children. and with their kids, i see kids that are caring, compassionate, bright, articulate. and the caring nature, the concern about their fellow man was evident yesterday in the way that our students responded to protect one another, the way our students responded to take care of one another, the way their teachers responded, as well. our teachers care about our kids, and our kids in return care about our teachers and one another. i think that was evident yesterday in a time of crisis, it showed through. and so when i look at murrysville, the three communities that feed us our childre children. >> superintendent -- >> trust us with their children to educate, it's amazing. >> well, listen, i know that this is an emotional time for everybody and we did see equal and opposite illustrations yesterday of people at their best and people at their worst. and obviously the student stepping up and teachers stepping up and all of you first responders who came in made the difference, kept this from being worse. thank god nobody lost their lives. hopefully it will stay that way. our promise is we will stay on this story. let us know how we can keep bringing attention there that is positive and help find progress in this. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you. >> our focus right now is on our kids and our staff. >> as it should be. gentlemen, thank you. all right, we're going to go to other breaking news this morning. the search for flight 370. we are following the latest on that high school stabbing as well. we're going to give you all the news we have for you right now. let's get to it. in 30 seconds i saw three people get stabbed. >> a 16-year-old sophomore armed with two eight- to ten-inch kitchen knives. >> a lot of people just blood everywhere. >> australian p3 picked up signals in the vicinity of the "ocean shield" from sonar buoys. >> you are not sorry that you killed their daughter. >> i'm terribly sorry that i took the life of their daughter. >> now you say it. >> i never got the opportunity to tell reeva that i loved her. welcome back. we're following break news at this hour. just about an hour ago we learned a possible signal has been picked up in the search for flight 370. another one. it still needs to be studied. further analysis of the australians are working on that as we speak. also, just coming in, we now know who in the cockpit spoke those final words heard from the plane. we're live with the very latest on all of these fronts covering the search. let's go first to erin mclaughlin live in perth, australia, the party of the search effort. erin? >> hi, kate. that's right. we're hearing from australian officials that one of their sonar buoys near the vessel, the "ocean shield" picked up a signal that may or may not be a ping. it is being analyzed overnight. they say it is promising. that is significant because it could mean the black box batteries have yet to expire. it could also mean that give them more information with which to narrow down a potential search field. they need that additional information in order to be able to deploy that underwater autonomous vehicle to have an easier time in searching for potential wreckage. now, these buoys are pretty interesting. the p-3 surveillance planes, australia raf planes have been dropping them on the water by the dozens. and they're equipped with hydro phones that then go 1,000 feet underneath the ocean surface to detect any signals. those signals are then sent back up to the plane to be analyzed. it's really interesting technology. just one more example of how science is contributing to this search. kate? >> science and an unusually and unprecedented international cooperative effort. we will keep watching it and hopefully get more findings and get them soon. let's bring in nic robertson live from kuala lumpur with news about what was going on in the cockpit. we have new information. what is it? >> reporter: we now know, chris, that it was the pilot who was the last one to speak to air traffic controllers who said good night, malaysian 370. that has been a very key question to find out who was the last person speaking from the flight deck of that aircraft. we also -- we now know as well that five mas, malaysian airlines pilots, have been played the recordings between the cockpit and the air traffic controllers. all these five pilots we're told are familiar with the pilot and the co-pilot aboard that night. they have reported now clearly that it was the pilot's voice they could hear. we're also told there was no third voice in the cockpit. that there was no sound of disturbance. that nothing was out of the ordinary, that there was no sound of distress coming from the cockpit. two sources here, senior malaysian government official, and another source involved in the investigation both telling us this very important detail for investigators. chris? >> important detail, nic robertson, thank you for bringing it to us. let's get more perspective on why it's so important and these other big developments and what it means for the overall progress here. we have david soucie, "new day" family and cnn family as a safety analyst and the author of "why planes crash," former faa inspector. and ms. mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst, former inspector general of the department of transportation, also an attorney who represents victims and families after airm d airplane disasters. and creator of pasteurization. is that not true, mary? tell me, mary, because you have this pedigree, why do i care that it was the pilot whose voice was heard in the cockpit? what does this do for me? >> well, gives us a couple of clues. we know that at least at that point the pilot was still alive, still able to communicate, still able to function. and, of course, the other thing that we wish we knew is who did all other communications. an important piece of evidence but surely the investigators know because they play the recordings for other pilots, which is standard. we would like to know who made all the other communications and if there was a handoff. if the co-pilot or the pilot not flying was communicating and it switched and the pilot was communicating. that tells us something, too. that tells us that perhaps the control of the aircraft was handed to the other pilopilot, maybe the other pilot wasn't there or wasn't capable of functioning. that would be a simple guess. but usually it's the pilot not flying that handles the communications. >> so we know it was the pilot. we don't know what else was going on. we won't know until we get the black box. we still may not know because it only records two hours. so far to your knowledge, mary, has there been anything deduced or revealed in this investigation with who he knew or where he was living online that would suggest anything to implicate the pilot or co-pilot in anything netharius? >> no, you would expect to find something, if you were hatching a plot even online research, of course, you could always go to a library. fu if, for example, there are lots of theories like they climbed 45,000 feet to depressurize the plane and kill the passengers, something like that on the internet, on searches, nothing. not one thing. >> it's important. >> certainly was suggested, yeah. >> that's important. i keep bringing up because you have to have something before you damn these gentlemen and families by implication. >> i agree. >> something that is relevant is the path the plane took. let's get back to nic robertson because we believe we may have another nugget that helps us understand there. nic, what else do you have? >> chris, this again coming from two sources. one a senior malaysian government official. another one, a member of the investigation team. we're told now that it is believed that the aircraft dipped significantly in altitude to around 4 to 5,000 feet, dipped from the cruising altitude of about 35,000 feet down to about 4,000 to 5,000 feet flying from 120, 125 nautical miles at that height before coming up again to cruising altitude. why do these sources say they believe they have this information? they believe that it's based on -- or they say it's based on radar data, that the malaysian military radar detected at a certain point as the aircraft, as we know, it flew towards beijing, came back across the malaysian peninsula, flew out into the straits. in the straits there it disappears from the malaysian military radar. it disappears and then reappears further on. and from all the data these experts are telling us they believe that the aircraft, therefore, dropped in altitude to about 4,000 to 5,000 feet before coming back up, before flying off around the north of indonesia out into the -- out into the southern indian ocean. we also have another piece of the information here. perhaps more relevant to how authorities were responding at the time. we've heard a lot of discussion why didn't the malaysian military scramble jets when they realized an aircraft had flown across their airspace. what we're now being told is the malaysian military did scramble their jets after they heard, after it had been reported to them by malaysian airlines, that the aircraft had gone missing. scrambled jets, flew them off the west of malaysia, into the straits before they could confirm that the aircraft had gone that way, but in case, taking a step in case the aircraft had gone that way to find out what they could find out. they were way behind it. they didn't get any additional information. but this is the first time we're learning now that the malaysian air force did respond that morning, scrambling fighter jets to search for mh-370. chris? >> two quick points of clarification. the first one is, nic, where do they think it dropped altitude again? >> off the west coast of the malaysian peninsula, a place called -- close to a place called para island. it reappears about 250 nautical miles northwest of panang island. the distance is about 120 nautical miles. >> the second thing is, it's a little confusing. you're saying that the malaysian authorities say they did scramble their fighters based on this and yet early in the investigation, am i wrong, am i m misremembering, that they didn't seem to have any information about where the plane could be? how could they have not had any information if they scrambled jets in that direction? >> well, this is correct. there was a lot of early indications from both the malaysian air force and the civil aviation that have subsequently been contradicted. what we now know from the malaysian -- from people close to the investigation now is that those jets were scrambled. around about 8:00 a.m. in the morning. remembering that about 7:30 a.m. that saturday morning, malaysian airlines had told the military that the plane had gone missing. now, it isn't until later that the malaysian military, as a matter of deduction, basically they take their radar, remove from it all the aircraft that have known identifications and therefore they can identify the track that was the radar track of the missing mh-370. this is how they did it. but that was later. they scrambled the jets as a precautionary measure. but they didn't tell the authorities. i have to add this. but they didn't tell the authorities for another couple of days, until the tuesday after the saturday. hence, we get into this area where one part of the government say one thing, another saying the other. chris? >> confusing. nic, you know what also, very helpful. thank you for bringing us the information. get back to the control room so we can come back to you. help me understand what's going on here. first, david gallo, good to have you. you were pivotal in finding flight 447. we will bring you in on the discussion. david, i haven't spoken to you yet this morning. if the plane dipped in altitude which is something you and mary have been asking a lot about, we need to know altitude, if it did it in that point of the flight, tell us where was that and what sense you make of a dip in altitude at that point. it's too soon to be out of gas. >> it is. it seems to me close enough to the turn that it would have had something to do -- indicate to me a rapid decompression on the aircraft because the first thing you want to do is your flight change or the flight level change button and it's going to go to the predesigned altitude. >> rapid decompression, meaning an accident something beyond the control of the pilot as opposed to intent. do you agree with that? >> yes. outside my zone of expertise but, yeah, it sounds like that rapid motion like that, something that severe would be just what david said. >> mary schiavo, you're nodding your head in the affirmative position. why? >> i do agree with it. also, a drop in altitude to 4 now to 5,000 feet is not low enough to avoid radar. decrease in altitude is not a stealthy thing but life saving thing. >> they said it did go off radar, though, mary. it dropped to 5,000 feet. that's how they know it was that low because et cetera the bottom of the radar scope. if i'm hearing that right. it was off radar for 120 miles, then it came back on radar. >> you don't think it was an intentional to evade? >> i don't think so. if it was it would have stayed there. >> right, and they would have needed to be low. that outer range that they were dealing with also with radar, that part gets confusing. i don't get this. mary, let me come back to you on this. if you scramble jets, scramble to me suggests sending them in a direction. if you scramble them, which means sending them in a direction that means you have a direction to send them in. how can the malaysian authorities say early on we don't know where the plane is if you knew enough to scramble jets in a direction? >> well, i'm thinking that the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. >> for two days? >> we had some of the same kind of -- very amazing to me. or they just simply didn't want to say that they had scrambled jets. but, you know, scrambling them, there's no point in doing it if you don't know where to send them. i suppose you could go up and look around. that makes no sense. one of the stories has to be erroneous. >> david gallo, put some common sense on this for someone who has been through it. this is not about malaysia and whether they're up to date and how they govern or not. you certainly don't want to not know where your plane is. that's the last thing you want as the sovereign involved, as the authority involved. that's where they were. >> absolutely. >> you would think if you had any information about where the plane may be you would offer it up so you don't look stupid. >> the last thing you want to do is lose a plane in the ocean without knowing exactly where that plane was when it was last under the sun. once you get beneath the sea, it's a whole different ball game. >> best guess here is here, military had indication that something flew over the airspace. it's at a weird hithd. we don't like that. let's do what we always do in these situations which is go out after it and see what it is. they couldn't find it. and then they just didn't communicate that until the story about the plane came out a couple days later? >> and that's strange about that for me is they dispatched and scrambled them and went over towards the malaca straits. i thought they didn't know it went that way at all. they supposedly didn't get this radar information until later. now we're just getting information about that radar still. >> although they were -- they were cagey about their first acknowledgement that we any it made a left. remember, they thought they made a left and we didn't know why. maybe this is why they thought it made a left and they didn't want to say it for one or two reasons. what are the two reasons you don't say it? one is you don't want to give up what happened and, two, you don't want to be called late. >> those air traffic control centers, they were we debating back and forth for hours and hours before they finally said, oh, yeah, it really is missing, we need to do something. as you said, now we're behind the game. now they notify malaysia. dispatch the jets, say we think it went this way. now you're behind it, you don't know where it is. >> most important, when this information hits the atmosphere, it's going to be, oh, it dropped in altitude. you know what that means. this was a hijacking. none of you believe that it is evidence of a hijacking in testing the data. it speaks to an accident as much as it speaks to anything else because it doesn't serve a clear purpose if it was done on purpose. mary schiavo, did i get that at least half right? >> right. i believe without some evidence of a motive or crime, yeah, there's a mechanical explanation just as easily as something t t naphariuos. >> in malaysia, you would know if this pilot or co-pilot was having conversations with somebody that were suspect. >> sure. >> you would know if they were connected to a group, you would know what was on hard drive of his simulator, you would know what was on his computer. >> you should know. >> you should know, right? a month in, somebody would know if there was a reason to connect them. why am i saying this? i'm saying it because isn't this more justification to go slow before blaming the pilots? >> absolutely. in fact, again, every day we get more and more and more to do with the what happened. we have no idea why it happened. and that's the hard part. that's what we're going to have to try to dig for. >> nic robertson is telling the control room he is being told the reason it dipped to that altitude was to avoid other commercial traffic. how would they know that? how do they know that's why it dipped if they didn't get any more information t from the cockpit? >> because there's no commercial traffic down at that level. commercial traffic is at higher levels. they just deduct it. >> assumption. >> that's an assumption. >> because that could go for 5,000 feet, it could go for 8,000 feet, right, because there's a minimum flight ceiling. >> anything below 18,000 feet, he's out of the commercial airway. >> 18,000 feet down, that could be an explanation. but they don't have any information to drive knowledge. >> but that is a good assumption, in my opinion. i meerngs atsz great assumption. if you have no navigation, you don't know what's going on, you can't communicate with anybody around you. it's like being on the highway, driving down the highway, everybody else has lights but you don't. you're trying to get -- navigate your way through. you're going to get hit. >> because it is a significasignificanature navigational route towards asia it is making sense you would want to get out of the way of other planes if you were in trouble. what still doesn't make sense though is if you were in trouble, i forget what the acronym was, you navigate and whatever it is, there are three things you do -- two things you do before you communicate. but for this length of time, over 100 miles, you navigate, i've aviate and communicate, wouldn't they have said something? >> particularly if it's going to go back up to that altitude again. >> or at least saying i got to get out of the way of traffic. >> unless it was disabled. >> communications, yes. >> it's still possible you can lose cape itibiliabilities oppo turning them off. >> that's right. >> mary schiavo, anything before we go? >> i agree. there are many accidents where fire or decompression, et cetera, took out the communication ability. we're left to squarely between two camps again. >> all right. but at least new information to go off of. new data. picture coming together. mary, david, david, thank you very much. kate? >> we clearly have a lot of big developments breaking right now in the search for flight 370. we'll have much more on the search and the news when we come back. 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you're hearing from your sources. >> well, we know that five malaysian airlines pilots who are familiar with the pilot and with the co-pilot were played the audio recording of air traffic control with the cockpit and they have said that they believe that the person who made the last radio communication who said good night malaysian 370 was, in fact, the pilot. they also say there's no evidence of a third voice in the cockpit. they also say that it sounded calm, that there was nothing out of the ordinary, no distress. we know as well, after the plane took its left turn, flew back across the malaysian peninsula, when it gets back out over the sea, it then disappears from military radar, reappears about 120 nautical miles north northwest of that location where it disappears. according to the sources we're talking to, they say that may be because it was dipping to flight under -- under aircraft lines that are used for flights regularly used for flights to europe and to the indian subcontinent. we also understand that malaysian airline jets were scrambled as a, quote, precautionary measure about half an hour after the air force we're told by malaysian airlines that the flight itself had gone missing. so a lot of new details here, but perhaps for investigators the most important one, two minutes before the transponders get switched off, the last radio communication from the cockpit is from the pilot. this is something they've been searching to find out. kaitd? >> absolutely, nic. a lot of information to work through. you will continue to work your sources. thank you so much for the update on your reporting. let's bring in michael kay to discuss this. thanks so much for being here. i want to start with, let's talk about this drop in altitude. it's something that has been a question, really throughout the investigation. when i was over in malaysia there was an initial report from a local newspaper there talking about a possible dip to 5,000 feet. it initially was kind of seen as that seems unleaguely but now we're hearing from nic robertson it may have dropped to 4,000 to 5,000 feet. what do you make of this? >> i've always been asking the question, kate, on why the malaysians couldn't or hadn't identified a blip on their radar as it crossed their country. we know in the post 9/11 world order the aircraft cannot just willy-nilly into sovereign territory without being interrogated. the 777 is a wide bodied jet. it has a huge radar cross section. that means it will show up on an air defense radar as a big blip. if that big blip doesn't care a squawk, the transponder with a four digit code, that's what it's for, to identify it on a radar screen. if you have a big blip that doesn't have a squawk, that isn't flight planned or part of routine airways traffic this is a big red flag to any sovereign territory that has air defense jets ready to react to anything entering into the sovereign territory. this is always been the question for me. >> let's talk about also the area that we're talking about here. let's walk over to the map to take a closer look. one of the areas we're talking about is this is when it was cutting across malaysia going to the malacca straits, right? >> absolutely. this is kind of the region here in the south china sea where it disappeared. and then we know that it actually crossed malaysia and actually did this route. it came to the north and then went northwest. so avoided tailand and then out into the malacca strait. the question has always been how could a 777 cross an entire country without being seen on the country's radar and without the military reacting to it. that was a worrying question that hadn't been answered. so i think where we're at now is we've now got this additional information of it actually descended in altitude. the question to ask is why did it descend in altitude. >> the why is a big question. let's thrown up the animation of the flight path just again to remind viewers what we have been focusing on and has been the focus of this investigation, that turn you just pointed out right there, michael. one of the reasons that nic roberts robertson's sources with r. telling him the dip in altitude was to avoid the commercial traffic in the area because that is a very busy, busy commercial route. >> yeah. that's a completely feasible option. we were on the other day air and talked about the route that it took over the coast of sumatra, was it avoiding radar. i think that's -- the whole avoiding radar thing is very difficult. as i've mentioned before, primary radar goes out to about 120 to 150 miles. if you're in a wide bodied jet and you're at 5,000 feet you're going to have to go out well beyond 150 miles to avoid detection. possibly 4 or 500 miles. you're also going to have to descend down much below 5,000 feet. mary schiavo alluded to it earlier on. i spent my life in my previous job avoiding radar, avoid being detected by radar because that's what gets you shot down. we fly around 100 feet when i used to fly to avoid radar. 5,000 feet to me is still very high. i think it's more likely from -- it's more like i something wanting to avoid the territory, wanting to avoid the airspace. airspace goes out to 12 nautical miles off the coast of any country and international airspace or high sea or maritime waters. for me it's more about avoiding the land rather than avoiding radar specifically because that is a hard thing to try and judge. >> it's also difficult to understand as we're talking about it up here, dean, come on back in. let's look at this closer one more time. one of the things we talked about last week was this -- how it had come out very far around indonesia. that was that big turn because it was initially thought a avoid radar detection here. >> this is bander achi, there's a huge radar station. >> that's why we saw the path seen as going around this way. we're now talking about the new information from nic robertson is we're talking about the left-hand turn right here in through the what lack i malacca. >> it actually turned left and then the actual track brought it down here, this is thailand. avoided thailand and then went northwest to the whmalacca straits. it's taken a normal strak. if you imagine the flight plan was up to beijing, this way, it's taking an unusual track, unusual left and then unusual right. to me, that is evidence that it's avoiding thailand airspace for whatever reason and then it's proceeded out, avoided sue t mat tra and come around the top of sumatra and headed south into the area where we're looking for the pings. for me as someone that's been involved in aviation, avoided radar and spent many years working about how radar works and learning about how radar works, that is a very distinctive track which is completely away from the original flight plan and is involved in a number of course changes which are very odd. >> it's important to point out, it's all important information, but they're just pieces of a puzzle that, again, do not quite yet fit together. we're now beginning to understand more of what happened up here and down here where the pings are located. we are not -- i wouldn't say we're any closer to yet understanding why. and that's, of course, where the investigation will lead us as we go forward. >> i think it's a brilliant point. i mean, this is a jigsaw puzzle. every little bit of information we get is just an extra piece so we can stand back and hopefully see the bigger picture. this kind of three phases to what's going on here. there's the where, the what, and the why. the where has taken 34 days or 35 days and we're still trying to work it out. hopefully we're going to have enough information to give us a resolution there soon. the what will be when we source those black boxes and the relevant agencies can download the data and then they will know the flight path, the altitude, the speed, they'll know conversations. but that won't tell us the complete picture of the why. i think the why bit, given all of this mysterious information, is going to take quite some time to discern. >> absolutely. and caution on our part to not to jump to any conclusion. >> absolutely. we shouldn't be jumping to phase i when we haven't even found the where, which is phase i. leave that in the middle. stick to the facts. keep building this picture and hopefully in time the picture will become large enough and clear enough for us to be able to make some viable conclusions. >> absolutely. michael, thank you so much. very helpful. thank goodness we have such a big map. chris? >> all this information certainly good for one thing, it allows us to continue to test what's coming out of the investigators, what makes sense, what doesn't, when have they been wrong and what is the right information. that's helping us. when we come back we will have more on the plane because there's new information needs new understanding. and, also, after the break we're going to go inside 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be no president barack obama today? >> right. the symbolism will be on display when the president speaks later today in texas. i wouldn't look for him to be -- to make this speech overtly about race. like i said, the symbolism is going to be apparent. look for him to make it more political. so to talk about economic equality for all in the context of pay equity, minimum wage, and these issues that democrats are trying to raise attention to heading into november. >> voting rights as well. the president will say under attack, something t from the johnson era. peter, what a lot of people say when they look at the comparison and to be fair president johnson had a democratic congress when in the white house although they lost some seats in the midterm. johnson loved the art of the deal. he was the former senate leader who cut all the deals. comparisons at the obama fund-raiser say this is the least democratic congressman in history. part of it is this current president doesn't like the art of the deal. >> that's right. that's not a new criticism on the president. that's long been the case that he's allergic to that kind of deal making and hobnobbing and behind the scenes backslapping. lbj was the last president to sort of jump into the white house. but he was a ycreature of the senate. democratic congress but a lot were southern and they disagreed with him on civil rights issues that he sort of cornered and dealt with. so, look, the white house is sort of wrangled by the comparisons. look, the civil rights thing is interesting because a lot of lbj's legacy has been overshadowed by vietnam but he did sweeping ambitious domestic agenda. before republicans took over congress president obama did enact one of the biggest pieces of domestic legislation, the affordable care act in american history. you can't say he's not completely like lbj, i guess. >> affordable care act, financial regulatory reform, stimulus. we have to wonder what lbj would say about the initiative in terms of getting things done. >> wouldn't you love to know that. one footnote before we move on. president obama paying tribute to a past president today. he was greeted in texas last night by another former president george h.w. bush greeting the president of the united states as he arrived at the airport in texas. george h.w. bush is a texan, houstonian and being known for colorful socks. he showed the president and first lady his red, white, and blue socks. interesting note, president bush 41 doing well, we hope. come back kids day in politics. bill clinton will be in pennsylvania raise fog money for marjorie margolies. she promised her candidates in suburban philadelphia she would not vote for the clinton budget because it could raise taxes and then she was the deciding vote. republicans were chanting good-bye marjorie when she came down to cast that vote. there's reason this gets a lot of attention and you see the vote right here. she lost her seat in 1994. but she also has a bit of a family tie now. her son is married to chelsea clin sglon that's right. they're keeping it all in the family. i love the campaign tweeted out a picture for throwthursday for the two of them in the '90s. that's right, clintons help clintons. this is in some ways payback in return for that vote in 1993. but look, just look at maryland, for example. bill clinton endorsing anthony brown who was -- who supposed forr supported hillary in 2008. >> loyalists. >> bill clinton would go in and raise money for her even without the family connection because of the long memories. one interesting point on this. democratic seat, but it is a democratic primary that's competitive and this puts the clintons at odds with the more progressive candidate who has been backed by bernie sanders and howard dean's group who has been, you know, been very critical of american foreign policy and some obama administration things the last couple of years. interest that it puts the clintons a odds in the base with this primary. >> scott brown also makes it official in new hampshire, the former massachusetts senator run for new hampshire seat try pog prove i'm no carpet bagger. he was, in fact, born in new hampshire. look at that. cute little black and white photo from scott brownback in the day of portsmith, new hampshire. >> he's trying to rally the base by focusing on the affordable care act. she's won stayed wide as a senator, a governor. this is going to be nasty. there's going to be so much outside money. >> the only woman in history to be both the governor and senator. >> that's right. and she's raised a lot of money. a lot of money raised off of fund-raising e-mails about scott brown. so she is definitely threatened by him but she is a real pro and surrounded by pros. she's going to be tough to beat. >> key race for mathematics. they like that race. they think it expands the map. gives them more opportunity. i know both of you subscribe to "rolling stone" i want to show the cover. julia louie dreyfuss on the cover there. a nudie but with the constitution, the constitution printed on the back. if you look closely and i know you're all historians on the set there in new york, john hancock, see it, i guess i would call that high on the left cheek would be the right place to see where the john hancock is. john hancock did not sign the constitution. he did sign the declaration of independence. julia louie dreyfuss already making fun on this on twitter, mike, do you watch the show? press guy mike? she's blaming mike. >> you were able to see nudie and left cheek and "rolling stone" cover. that's good day for you. >> opening up the old chestnut i look at the "playboy" for the articles. discrepancy on the left butt cheek. well-done, my friend. >> he didn't have to look too closely. >> it's true. it's a good name to use and diminishes the size of the cheek. everybody knows that trick. >> everybody knows that trick. >> david soucie, silence. coming up next on "new day," the very latest we'll have for you on the breaking news this morning. cnn has learned flight 370 dropped altitude after crossing the malaysian peninsula. and also, the last person to speak from the cockpit was the pilot. we're going to have the very latest next. ups is a global company, but most of our employees live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ♪ all right. so major breaking news in the search for malaysia flight 370. cnn has learned the plane's altitude developed to between 4,000 and 5,000 feet at a time, 100 miles or so as it crossed back over malaysia. the final words heard from the plane were spoken by the pilot, not the co-pilot as initially thought. just about 90 minutes ago australian officials in anothe underwater signal was detected by sonobuoys in the indian ocean. we have news about finding the plane that's good, that's more of the same, helping triangulate. that's good. each ping they find helps limit the search area. >> exactly. >> the big mystery has been how the hell did it get there, right? that's what we've been dealing with from day one. now new information. one, not the pilot, the co-pilot, what does that tell us? investigators don't have their game straight up there. >> absolutely. >> other than that, does it give us indication of why this happened or nefarious intent? >> i don't think it goes towards nefarious but they may have changed control at that point because there's 12 minutes between the last two communications. when that last one came across maybe they switched from who had control, who was the pilot not flying. >> we go from maybes to now something we understand bet we're new data. let's look at the flight path. we have an animation for you to make the map more visual. this is what they believe is a flight map. see it? this is the in-tight picture. plane made the weird left. goes over the malaysian peninsula. by the reason of panin gg it starts to go around the hub of indones indonesia, radar, banda aceh. >> if that aircraft had dropped when it made the first left turn, that's the first indication there's trouble. something going on on the airplane, where it's nefarious or not, we don't know that. it makes the left-hand turn. that's when you think it would have dropped. if he's going to hit the flight level change button and go down to that automatic altitude on down low it would have happened there, not over here. >> in either of the two major scenarios investigators have which is you did this on purpose or you couldn't control this the drop would have been immediate. >> i would think so. why would you make the turn knowing there's something wrong and not make that drop and then something else -- now you're talking about two different events happening if was it comm authorities until days later which explains some of this, let's go to the east to search when they had to know from their own military it was to the west. >> i'm not sure the left hand knows what the right hand is doing here. put it into time frame. these two traffic centers, one says hey, it's coming to you. a half hour, 45 minutes later, i thought this airplane was coming. oh, it didn't come. let's talk to malaysia and the other centers. where did it go? no one is finding it at this point. this went on for hours, hours before they finally notified malaysia and said we have a problem, we have a missing airplane, scramble your jets. here is the question. when you scramble a jet, you have a place to go. so how did they know to go this way if they didn't have this radar information? >> that's a curiosity we'll have to get an explanation from investigators. let's take a look at the flight path again and go to the pressing question. you go down to 4,000, 5,000 feet. why? why do you go there? it's not low enough to avoid radar. but then you come back up to altitude. it doesn't crash. i comes back up and flies for many hours. how do you explain that? >> i heard some people say it went down to avoid traffic. that's a good argument. if it went down to avoid traffic, why did it climb back up to 35,000 feet. >> would it do that by itself? remember the ghost plane thing that investigators were coming up with with? >> i can't see why it would. if you hit the -- you have airspeed, you set to 275 or lower speed. so you set that in and hit the button and it stabilizes. auto throttle comes back in and it stabilizes at that altitude. to go from there back up to 35,000 feet, you have to dial back in again. it's not something -- it's possible to automate that, but there's no reason you would have ahead of that. there's no reason. on that heading, it may have come back to kuala lumpur. they may have had that pre programmed in. >> could you be so distracted by aviation and navigation that you would go all that time without making any communication? >> we're talking a long period of time here. this isn't just oh, my gosh, i'm responding to an emergency and i don't have time to call or maybe i picked up my oxygen mask and forgot to push the test. this is a long period of time. >> we have more information about what happened but not necessarily clues as to why it happened. at least we have more information than before. david, thank you very much. kate? >> coming up next on "new day," the flight's drop in altitude as david and chris were talking about, the possible ping heard this morning, the final speaker from the cockpit. we're covering all these new angles for you coming up next. why relocating manufacturingpany to upstate new york? i tell people it's for the climate. the conditions in new york state are great for business. new york is ranked #2 in the nation for new private sector job creation. and now it's even better 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scramble planes after the flight was reported missing. kate? >> those are just some of the new developments this morning. also this comes after australian officials sat said another under water signal was detected. let's start with nic robertson live in kuala lumpur. nic? >> reporter: we've now been told by two sources that five pilots of malaysian airlines who knew the pilot and copilot listened to the flight recordings between air traffic control and the cockpit, the last recorded message that says "good night malaysian 370." they say it came from the pilot. this is new information. they also said there was no third person in the cockpit, no sounds of distress, anything abnormal when that comment was made. two minutes later the transponder on board the aircraft was switched off. we also now know that the aircraft dropped in altitude once it flew back across the malaysian peninsula, dropped in altitude for a distance of about 120 nautical miles, dropped to about 4,000 to 5,000 feet. that's a best assessment made using malaysian military radar. we also understand that after the malaysian air force heard from malaysian airlines that flight 370 had gone missing, they put in the air what they're calling search aircraft according to one source. another source said they were jets, but search aircraft put in the air to see what they could find as a precautionary measure. in some days before the military was actually able to determine the full extent of what they could discover on their radar. chris? >> nic, thank you for that piece. we go from what happened originally to now how do we find the plane. new information there as well. a new under water signal is giving hope that they my be closing in on the location. erin mclaughlin is following that part of the story live from perth, australia. erin? >> reporter: chris, some potentially good news out of perth tonight. australian officials tell cnn one of their sonic buoys in the vicinity of the "ocean shield" has detected a signal that may or may not be a ping, but saying it looks promising. they're taking the information and analyzing overnight to know for sure. this could be significant. it could mean that the batteries of the black box pinger have not yet expired. it could also help them, as you mentioned, narrow down the potential search field. the sonic buoys are pretty interesting, they were developed especially for this search. they're dropping them by the dozens onto the ocean surface, equipped with hydro phones that go beneath the surface, send the signals back to the planes for analysis. australian officials also telling cnn today that the "hms echo," the british vessel is speeding to help with the search for pings. as we know, kate, time is of the essence. >> erin, thank you very much for that update. let's talk about all these latest developments more with mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general of the department of transportation. she's also an attorney who represents victims. and david susie the author of "why planes crash," a former faa inspector. another hour of breaking news and developments in this shch. mary, i want to get your take. i have a lot of questions, we all do, about this dip in altitude. from cruising altitude to 4,000 to 5,000 feet for a period of time. what do you make of this? >> it can be suggestive of a number of things. right off the top of my head, of course, two things. one, you're out of the way of other commercial traffic which travels in much higher attitudes and down and out of the way of other traffic and also down to an area, an altitude where you don't need pressurization. the rule of thumb certainly for general aviation pilots is 10,000 feet. so you're below that and you and your passengers will be able to breathe without pressurized cabin, without oxygen. two reasons right there why you may want to get down and out of the way of other traffic. >> nic robertson's sources say, david, that they believe this maneuvering was done in order to avoid a high-traffic area, as mary is suggesting as well. i wonder, though, how they do it and how long they make this dip seems difficult. is it? if you go from cruising altitude to 4,000 or 5,000 feet, sustain that for only some 120 nautical miles before going back up to cruising altitude. that seems unusual. >> it's less than 120 miles. you're talking about the descent to 4,000, within 120 miles. you're flying at 400 knots, that doesn't give much time to get down. what they do know is that's when it supposedly went off radar. so perhaps it was making that disscent before that point and coming back after. to do that in 120 miles would be very difficult to do. >> we, of course, need to be careful. we don't know the why. there's no way of knowing why this happened, but does it suggest to you anything of how this happens? is that maneuver something that can be pre programmed into the plane, or is that an emergency maneuver? >> both. it can be programmed in as an emergency maneuver. the flight level change button that changes the altitude, bripgs it down, is set up for an anticipated depressurizatiodepr. you want to get lower so you can literally open the windows and air out the cockpit. you can set what altitude you want it to stabilize at. if you set 5,000, it would go to 5,000. set the airspeed you want to be at when you get to 5,000. you hit that button in an emergency situation, you put your mask on, you push the talk button so your microphone is on. then you push the flight level change. it drops to 5,000 feet and starts to level out as it does the throttles, the auto throttles come back up to maintain whatever speed you have. what i don't have an explanation for is going back up to 35,000 feet. if they're trying to avoid an air traffic route, and i haven't actually looked at where those air traffic routes are overlayed on a chart, but i wouldn't imagine there's a 120 mile route we're trying to avoid, and now we're underneath it we can go back up. that doesn't make sense to me. >> another ching we're learning, mary, is malaysian officials say they did scramble search aircraft, is how they're describing it to nic robertson now. this comes after malaysia airlines reported to malaysian authorities that 370 was missing. the interesting thing is, the left hand might not be talking to the right here in terms of where they scrambled the aircraft to. >> exactly. it brings up so many questions. this fact alone causes me to think of so many additional questions i'd like to ask the investigators, not the least of which is how far did they follow them, where did they go, what air space did they enter? did indonesia pick up the scrambled jets or tracking planes when they entered their air space or did they just break off at the edge of malaysia air space. what went on up there and who saw them? >> one thing that is settled, amazing it's taken this long to be settled, who spoke final words in the cockpit it. we now heard that the captain spoke the final words which were "good night malaysia 370." do we learn something from that other than it's something to established in the course of investigation? >> yes, it is. what stands out to me is this period of time, almost 12 minutes before that was said. what that indicates to me is that would be about the right amount of time to do the exchange to say i'm no longer the pilot flying, i'm now the pilot not flying. that would make sense and the double checks that occur during that would have occurred during that time. it could be possible that the pilot was the pilot flying until that moment it was transferred over. i don't know that it has a relevance at this point. >> you pointed out earlier, david, and we have to leave it here, it is confounding. the more information we find, the more questions, of course, that are raised when we now hear about this dip in altitude and when it comes back up. the lack of communication. there's no communication from the cockpit within that period of time, it is confounding. it doesn't ap ser anything for us other than maybe communication was cut off. maybe something else was going on. we just don't know. the investigation continues. david, mary, thank you so much. chris? >> the other story we're following this morning is what happened in pennsylvania. 20 high school students and a security guard became the victims of a vicious knife attack. the suspect just 16 allegedly wielding two eight-inch kitchen knives. miguel marquez is in murrysville, pennsylvania with the latest. what do we know. >> reporter: we know the worst injured went through surgery again last night and is still clinging to his life. the only way police say anything changes is if that individual dies today. it sounds like he's holding on for now. we know the fbi descended on al lx hribal's phone trying to understand what happened. this happened a little after 6:00 a.m., a very vulnerable time because everybody was at their lockers, in the hallways, not in the class ways when they can hunker down and protect them. when this happened, it was slow for some students to realize something was going on and they needed to get out of the school. it was then an assistant principal tackled him, another assistant principal, a female, subdued him and a security officer was able to get cuffs on him. as they subdued him, the only thing he told them, he wanted to die. >> we'll continue to cover that story, thank you for the update. president obama is traveling to austin, texas, today for a very special anniversary. he's going to deliver the keynote address at a civil rights summit marking 50 years since the civil rights act was signed into law by president lyndon johnson. the event taking place at the lbj presidential library. that's where our suzanne malveaux is live in austin. good morning, suzanne. >> reporter: amazing when you think about it. we've seen carter, clinton. president obama will be here today to give the keynote address. we'll also see george w. bush, all this to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act of 1964. it was a historic occasion, barring discrimination during one of the most tumultuous times in our country. there are a number of things that will also be tackled today that we anticipate, two very important questions. one is what are the civil rights issues, most important pressing issues today? is it gay rights, immigration, health care? we heard from president carter talking about that he still believes it's women's rights. the fact that you having sexual slavery in this country alive and well today. the second issue, the second point is why can't we get anything significant, anything big done in washington? what can we learn from the civil rights movement? we heard from president clinton yesterday, and he said he believes politicians just don't -- they have not engaged in the art of deal-making. they're not actually able to give up the power, if you will, or even take a chance, a 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you know what the authorities believed was happening right at that time that they believe they had to go look for this missing jet because it probably crashed as opposed to someone was invading their air space and they needed to defend malaysia. it's a huge difference. my concern with the reporting is that the sources that state things as if that's the absolute fact as we know it. then a few days later that fact changes or the analysis changes and it makes a big difference, especially when it comes to -- it's one thing to have new mathematical algorithms applied to studying the inmar satellite to discover the arc in the indian territory. that's new territory, something that hasn't been done before. studying these pretty simplistic radar systems is not rocket science. the radar technicians, both from malaysia and the others who have been looking at this material have been looking at it for more than 30 days. i don't understand how all of a sudden there's this theory or that theory. every time they come up with a theory they seem to know exactly what the pilot was thinking. he was avoiding radar detection. no. check that. before long we'll have that the jets and the malaysian airliner had a dogfight in the air. i think there's so much confusing information coming out, i'm not certain it's coming from the investigators or sources who claim to be on top of this investigation. >> let's test it. let's start with the last point. it goes from 4,000 feet back up to normal flight altitude. what does that tell you? how do they know it went to 4,000 feet? they're saying it disappeared aye off their radar. we're not certain how effective their radar is to know these precise calculations. >> they didn't find out the military, by their own admission, for a significant period that something was in their air space. if the it's been that long, why would you scramble fighter jets. obviously, if there was a threat, you would already have been hit. then they would then start their search efforts looking east when we believe that the military jets or whatever planes they were were sent west. does this lead you to a conclusion that maybe no planes were scrambled? maybe this is a bluff to show faux competency and reaction? >> i don't know that. as far as scrambling jets, we can't exactly throw rocks at anybody because we knew we had hijackings in progress on 9/11 and they arrived in new york city in time to see the flames coming from the world trade center. we weren't exactly defending our own air space effectively either on 9/11. on that, i'll give them benefit of the doubt on that. what i'm saying is if you were scrambling search planes and the last time they saw that radar or had the transponder go out, you would think they would be searching either over the gulf of thailand, the south china sea or on malaysia itself, that it crashed online. now all of a sudden they know certainly and they're claiming to have known it that night, that that plane got as far west as the malacca straits. so now what? the jets are scrambled, the search planes. there's too much confusion in the kind of reporting that's coming out. when the reporting comes out, they suddenly are able to assign the thought processes of the pilots along with the movements of the airplane. >> they couldn't even get his voice straight. when it comes to what the pilots did and didn't do and what comes out of the investigation, i think that's the weakest aspect of this. so far, and we've obviously covered it every day, there's no information that really is suggestive of nefarious intent. forget about the cockpit. you've got his flight simulator, his computer, all his friends. you would know something about who this person was talking to or what he was planning if there was some type of plot at this point i suspect. but back to whether or not they scrambled planes at all, why do you start the search north and east if you know you scrambled planes west? >> i don't know. i don't know. that's a good question. i think it questions whether the facts being put out are accurate. >> there's pressure for information, pressure to redeem, pressure to justify their actions. it may make them put out information before they think it completely through. the problem is you have 239 families desperate for the right answers. every time you mislead them, it's very painful. >> when you say they are putting out information, information is coming out through back channel, not being officially put out by them. >> fair clarification. we don't know who it is all the time, especially when it's not our reporting. tom fuentes, appreciate your take on this. thank you. >> thank you. developments coming fast and furious in the flight for 370 now that there's word of another possible signal detected from a black box. we'll be covering that. what could have caused a 16-year-old student to go on a stabbing spree at his pennsylvania high school. we'll talk to dr. drew pinsky about that. at farmers, 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a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. welcome back to "new day." we're monitoring breaking news in the search for malaysian flight 370. cnn learned the plane's altitude dropped substantially, much more than previously thought as it crossed back over malaysia. the final words were spoken by the pilot, not the copilot. all this information came after australian officials said another possible under water signal was detected. that would be five in generally the same area since saturday. important developments all around. let's bring in david gallo, co-leader in the search for flight 337 and the director of woods hole oceanographic center. david, we have learned a lot, much more than we ever thought we would about the towed ping locater. how it works and what it does and what you use it for. >> right. >> i don't think we know as much about the sono buoys. explain them, how do they work? >> they're basically listening devices. the beauty is they're dropped from an aircraft. >> why is that a beauty. >> a ship can go about 10, 12 miles an hour. and when towing the tpl, about two miles an hour. the sono buoy, you can have planes going hundreds of miles an hour, you can go out lots quicker, set them up so they're all listening at once. if there's a sound to be heard, many several of them will pick up the same sound at the same time. it's in a way if you had several people in a room and there's a sound and everyone points to the direction, it helps locate where the sound came from. >> we know the towed ping locater can work at a maximum depth at 20,000 feet. >> on a cable, right. >> the sono bowuoy drops it abo 1,000 feet. >> the ocean layers have a thermal layer heated by the sun. you want to get down to maybe about 1,000 meters if you can. then the whole ocean is almost uniform in its ability to transform sound so you can listen a lot better. you don't have to worry about the thermal layer causing trouble. >> as we're looking at this and we don't know the exact location of where this was picked up. they're telling us it's generally in the area where the "ocean shield" has been. here are the four pings picked up from the towed ping locater. you mentioned that many are dropped -- 84 were dropped we're told by the australian team. but only one came back with a signal. does that surprise you? is that unusual? >> it surprises me, but i'm not that familiar with them and how sensitive they are. we don't know, the oceans, if there are plateaus in the area, any of those things can obstruct the sound and there's nermal layers that can bend sound, slow sound down, do all sorts of stuff to the sound. in that sense it doesn't surprise me. >> i want to talk about that topography if we can. they're trying to narrow the search area in order for it to be as small as possible before they send in the under water submersible. when we get to that point, which they will at some point, what is it going to come up against? what are the factors that come into play here? >> a water depth for one. the water depth in this area can be as shallow as a mile and a half to some of the under water plateaus. on the sides of the plateaus it can go 3 1/2, four miles. if it's off to the sides of the plateau, it may be smooth and flat and deeper than the range where the blue fin 21 can operate. >> i want to step back and show one animation. it has been discussed quite a bit in the past couple days. the issue of silt on the bottom of the ocean floor. this is just an animation, our own mockup of what would happen possibly if the black box had gone to the seabed and gone kind of within this silt layer. you're not so concerned about the silt factor here. tell us why. >> i'm just not. i thought this area from what i've seen has sediment, sure. it's not something that's going to like quicksand suck in the black boxes. it may obstruct it. it certainly will have some effect on it. i don't think it's going to preclude the sound. in the search, the sediment may help because it covers up rocks and boulders that would otherwise be on the sea floor. something added recently will show up easier than if it were just bare rock. >> you were mentioning the silt, it could hurt a visual search. the sonar will see right through it. >> if it's in the silt in the shah low levels, you should see right through it if it's on top, that's great because you're looking for something new against the background. if the background is like a clean canvas which is silt, it's easier to pick up than if it's up against rubble or landslides, things like that. >> first things first, they say they have more analysis that needs to be done on this latest ping, this signal detected from the sono buoy. david gallo, always great to see you. thanks. >> thanks, kate. the five things we need to know for our "new day." number one is the breaking news. malaysian officials now claim flight 370 dropped to between 4,000 and 5,000 feet as it crossed over malaysia after going off course. cnn has been told by officials it was the pilot, not the copilot, who spoke the final words from the jet. number two, a 16-year-old suspect charged as an adult in the knife attack in a suburban pittsburgh high school, his computer, his phone, his parents' computer has been seized. an intense manhunt under way in florida as police look for robert alex corchado. one child died, another 14 were hurt. more dramatic testimony from oscar pistorius at his murder trial admitting he never said "i love you" to his girlfriend reeva steenkamp in all the time they were together before he shot and killed her. he insisted despite blistering questions he did not intend to shoot her. number five, general motors is asking for help in investigating the faulty safety switches. nasa will lead an independent review to determine if the cars are now safe to drive. we're always updating the five things you need to know go to newday.cnn.com. the question no one can seem to answer is why that 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seem to be thinking strange things or withdrawing. the problem with teenagers is pretty much all mental health issues manifest in almost the same way. but if you see these things, please get help. in this case it was just that he snapped and one day got angry at a best friend, no way. >> not something like this. so haphazard, the randomness, the use of knives. >> which is crazy. i'll use a word, bizarre. he has to get close enough to reach somebody -- >> intentionality to it. >> plunging it into people's chest. >> and eviscerating people. to think about that. imagine you're a 15, 16-year-old, can you even fathom -- >> didn't use a gun. no guns in the house. >> no guns. we spent a lot of time the last couple years pointing at guns. i've been blaming people with access to guns that may be at risk. now we've graduated to a new level, where people are accessing weapons that are not guns and doing things that are unthinkable. >> that's why you have to break out the tuition separately. i've had the misfortune of covering every one of these since columbine, either in person or remotely. the idea of what the safety net is about mental health. of course all mentally ill aren't violent. of course it's just a small fraction. but neglecting the illness, neglecting the treatment. not setting up the support groups. -- that's the thing. to me -- >> wally. -- >> we have. >> i live with this every day . >> we cover it. amazing pain in the families. when you're writing the same things. >> it starts to make me wonder how anything changes. >> a congressman with a dam good bill. good forensic experts up there. he's got democratic co-sponsors. >> i think you respect what happened to the victims first and find out what happened with this kid. it had to be something. >> people get very confused about saying mental health is an excuse for this kind of behavior. the way i help people understand it is this, if the people deteriorated to the point that they're harming others, now it's too late. now it's retribution, now it's punishment. the idea is to intervene before that ever happens. that's when we can understand these people can be sympathetic. after they've acted in way harmful to others, it's hard to be sympathetic. >> they have the computers. assuming the family didn't see it, that's where you'll see it? >> i said this morning one of the cnn producers, a kid who knew this child said he was not bullied. the young man described this kid as a psych path, but a good psychopa psychopath. whatever that means -- >> dumb talk from a kid. >> part of the thing is, let's educate the young kids about mental health. we don't give them a lesson. we're busy talking about calculus. tais let's talk about how they develop and how their minds develop. >> you don't do this on one bad day. >> you do it on a bad day, but it builds to that bad day. >> dr. drew, we'll stay on it because the next set of conversations matter the most. kate? coming up next on "new day," a lot has happened 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>> i have speculation as to why it went down. i don't have an answer why it went back up. a rapid decompression which is where something has happened, something is dramatic, the oxygen masks are dropping down, people are panicking. remember, when you put that oxygen mask on in the cabin, you only have 15, 20 minutes at the most of oxygen before that aircraft has to get down to an altitude where you can breathe normally. >> bad stuff is happening. that's why it goes down. why it goes up we don't know. it doesn't necessarily happen automatically, does it? >> in fact, it would be very rare if it did happen automatically. you'd have to have -- it still would take some kind of movement. you'd still have to take the changes from the scratch pad and put it into the flight control. something would have to be done manually. it's not going to drop automatically and come back up. >> let's talk about another new piece of information that cnn is being told by malaysian officials. it has to do with what happened during this whole incident. cnn is now being told that the malaysian military put planes in the air once they realized or once they heard or once they had reason to believe that flight 370 was missing. but here is the thing. these planes went searching in the air here, the straits of malacca. that's what the malaysian officials are telling us now. they searched here looking for this plane. however, the next day when they went searching for debris, they weren't looking here where they had put the military jets, no. they were looking over here. this seems strange to me. >> it does. the only thing i can think is possibly it was a defensive maneuver on their part. i don't know why. remember, these aren't jets that were scrambled. in 9/11 we scrambled jets, something that could shoot down airplanes. they sent search airplanes. at that point they knew there was something missing, the aircraft was missing and they were out searching for it. >> searching for it here though. >> right. it's not a defensive maneuver. why they went that way tells me they already had reliable radar data saying something was here and it dropped off radar. let's go look for it. >> the only plausible explanation is, that's not nefarious, is the people that searched here never told the people who searched there they had reason to believe it's there. that to me is a little strange, david. another new piece of information, the final words we're being told by malaysian officials -- the final words came from the pilot. they say they've had five people who knew them, listened to this. it was the pilot who said -- the part that's interesting is weeks ago we were told it was the copilot with the last words. >> we also heard the last words were different than what we're hearing now. a lot of things are not falling together. >> in and of itself not a reason for concern that it was the pilot who said the last words. >> it may not be. the thing i get from that is i think the controls were changed at that time. first of all, the framing of the language was different than all the other responses. didn't say the frequency afterwards. whoever said the last word was different than the person communicating before. there's 12 minutes between the last communication and the one before it. if you about that time, that would have been a time when i'm changing from pilot in command to the pilot not flying. >> one of the things happening is the search for the pings, to tr black boxes, which if we can pull back out of the map is happening all the way down here off the coast of perth, australia. they've picked up pings from sono buoys. what's interesting as we tie these stories together, if they are able to retrieve the flight data recorder, what will that tell us about what happened back up here? what will it tell us about this now supposed drop in altitude? >> well, remember the flight data recorder is recording everything that happens, altitude changes, 82 different parameters being recorded every fraction of a second throughout this flight. we can go all the way back to here. was there rapid decompression that would answer the question as to why it dropped? maybe not. if it doesn't say anything other than amplitude change, then you go back to the radio portion of the box and say what was manually changed. what the box does, it records the manual movement, the moving of the yolk or changing of the switch. it records that and says did it execute the way it was supposed to. remember this is trying to help the investigation. >> that's why this search down here is so important. david soucie, thank you so much. coming up, need some good stuff? of course you do. we'll serve it up chicago style? what does a bright toothie smile mean? we'll tell you how he's paying back an incredible gift when "new day" continues. at your ford dealer think? 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