care reform. that's their jobs plan. >> it's a taxpayer funded trip. the job debate with congress after all is official business. the president's rival from 2008 these as much more about 2012. >> the president made these remarks on a tax payer paid for riding in a canadian bus visit for the next three days. >> plus, rush limbaugh often has unkind things to say about me and this network. so what are we to make of this over the top praise of our fast and furious scandal? >> john king is calling attention to a huge contradiction. how did the president know about this in march and how did he know the attorney general knew nothing about this in march when the attorney general said the may, he just learned about it a couple weeks ago. >> while we always appreciate kind words, tonight's truth is that the issue is not as black and white as mr. limbaugh sees it. we'll also talk to the espn rotter who was right there in the pit at the track a few mile north of here when this happened. >> opening up in front of him. here we go! contacted. a huge crash. multiple cars involved! >> but first tonight, rising cain. our brand new poll shows surprised republican contender herman cain solidifying his place in the gop race. in a dead heat now nationally with former massachusetts governor mitt romney. with that surge in support comes a surge in attention. and mr. cain and his ideas will without a doubt be a major focus right here in las vegas tomorrow night. in a motel, one-on-one with mr. cain in his only national interview today. first over the week, cain conceded some would pay more taxes under his signature 9-9-9 plan. >> some people will pay more but most people will pay less is my argument. >> now rising in the polls means more attention from his rivals who are attacking cain on his views on gay marriage and immigration. generating headlines, this remark over the week in tennessee. >> i tell you what. when i'm in charge of the fence, we'll have a fence. 20 feet high. it will have barbed wire over the top. it will be electrocuted -- electrified. and there will be a sign on the other side that says it will kill you. >> the congressional hispanic congress speaks remark is grossly insensitive. in arizona, michele bachmann says it proves he just doesn't get it. >> i also wanted to say that this is no laughing matter. the border fence. we've seen jokes made by presidential candidates about the fence. it is not a joke. this is a real issue. it is a serious issue. >> that's bachmann in arizona. mr. cain is also in arizona. we spoke just moments ago. mr. cain, you say your remark over the weekend about building a fence would be electrified so that anyone trying to sneak across the border could be electrocuted. you say it was a joke. but you're running for president of the united states, not for court jester. do you agree that's a pretty insensitive thing to say? >> it was a joke, john, and yeah, i haven't learned to be politically correct yet. so yes, it was probably not the right thing to say and i did not mean to offend anybody. >> you're coming here to the state of nevada for a big debate tomorrow night. 26% of the electorate here latino. what would you say to someone here who might have seen that remark and say who is this guy? do i want him as my president? >> well, john, what i would say to them is, i'm all about making it easy for people to come to this country. we have wide open doors. i have talked repeatedly about wanting to make it easy for people to come to this country the legal way. cleaning up the bureaucracy in washington, d.c. those kinds of things never get reported on. but i am all for opening up the doors of this nation. but we must do it the legal way. that's been the point that i have been trying to make. >> you're going to spend some time with someone on the left, a lot of critics who say he racial profiles. he discriminates against latinos. what's that conversation going to be about? >> well, we're just going to talk about general principles. i have a lot of respect for the sheriff because of the job he's done. in a lot of ways, he and i are the same. we focus on what pits we need to do to get the job done. not what we need to do to be politically correct. i'm looking forward to meeting with him again. this is not the first time that we will have met. >> what would a president cain do in his first 100 days when it come to border security? is it finishing the fence? more boots on the ground? is it all of the above? >> i think it is all of the above. i think we need a combination of physical fence in some instances. we can use technology for some parts. and some of the more dangerous parts, wath we need to do is put boots on the ground in order to secure the border. john, i am tired, like the american people are, of hearing about citizens being kill, citizens being threatened, and some border agents' lives being threatened. this is what i want to stop as president of the united states of america. what do we have to do in order to stop it. >> what happens to those who are already in this country illegally? many of them working in the economy. mayor bloomberg in new york says it's foolish to think you'll round them up and throw them out. you have to have a path to legal status if not a path to citizenship. that was george w. bush's position. it was last republican nominee's position, john mccain, until it became so toxic. what would a president cain do? maybe 8 million, maybe 12 million illegal immigrants already in the country. do you work them into the system or do you find them and kick them out? >> john, let me give you my total description of how to approach the problem. it starts with securing the border for real. not just talking about it like we talked about it earlier. secondly, it would involve promoting the path to citizenship that we already have. thirdly, enforce the laws that we already have. the immigration laws. and here's how i would enforce those laws and here's how i would deal with the illegal that's are already here. empower the states to do what the federal government is not doing. if you've got 50 states working on what to do with the illegals in their particular states, that's the way i believe that we ought to approach solving that problem. no, we won't round he shall up and try to deport they will. allow each state to determine how they will address it. >> if you allow every state to do it on a state by state basis, aren't you inviting chaos? state a. i'll make one up. alabama is being very tough. maybe people go across the border. maybe they go to the next state. won't you have a hodgepodge? >> no, john, that's not the case. i trust the governors. i trust the states to be responsible in doing things like that. remember, the governors get together and they talk and they share ideas. i would trust them not to create some sort of chaotic hodgepodge. they would solve the problem and i happen to believe they would be sensible in terms of the things they would come up with. >> you conceded over the weekend that some people, some people at least initially work pay more taxes under the herman cain 9-9-9 plan. that is now of national attention. it's had international collection. but an average family of four could end up paying from $2,000 to $4,000 more in federal taxes under the 9-9-9 plan. is that fair? the people who have had the value of their homes go down? the people hit hardest? should they hit higher tax in the early days of a cain administration? >> first, i won't comment on those calculations. i don't know what assumptions they used. here is a fact. it would depend upon what that family spend their money on. when you get to that third 9, that national sales tax. it depends on whether or not they buy used goods or whether or not they buy new goods. i can't comment. when you make the statement is it fair, how do you define fairness? i'm not going to comment on that. i don't know what assumptions they made. i'm making the assumption that a family making a small am of money, they'll stretch their dollar. 9-9-9 will give them the ability to stretch it even more based upon their decisions and not based upon the decision of the government. >> well, you did concede some people would pay more by your calculations. who would pay more, mr. cain? >> the people that would pay more are the people who would buy mostly new goods. that's how it will be determined. so since i don't know what people's buying habits will be yark say who will pay more. secondly, most people will pay less because embedded taxes will come out of all the goods and service that's are produced in this country. the reason that they will come out is because of competition. when the embedded taxes come out, the cost goods will go down which means that most people won't be paying any more in taxes than they are paying today, probably a lot less. >> as you know, your rise in the poll comes with a lot less. you get a lot more scrutiny. not just from the media but even the white house communications director told wolf blitza arer w minutes ago, he thinks your rise in the polls, he doesn't equate it to you. he thinks you're a vehicle. how would you answer that? >> the way i would answer that come is quite simply, they don't know what's going on out here. my message is resonating with people. i know that because i didn't just start campaigning two weeks ago. i have been basically testing the pulse of the public for over a year now. even before i actually formally declared. so i know that it is my message which is driving my popularity and my rise in the polls, and we know that for a fact. and we know it firsthand. and we'll continue that momentum. >> is it the specifics of your message or is it the fact that what many people say is a weakness? herman cain has never held political office. he has never worked in washington. herman cain might not know how to work the congress or how to be the commander-in-chief. what many people say is a weakness. is that actually your strength? >> this is what the american people are telling me. whenever i'm out speaking, and i mention the fact that one of the big criticisms against me by the establishment is that i have never held high political office. john, i get a spontaneous applause every time. here's the other thing. it is, relative to my message, it is the specifics of my message. it is the substance of my message and it is the simplicity of my message that has a lot of people excited. so this is what i believe is causing a lot of the people to connect with me. because of those three aspects of my message. not just relative to what i would do to fix the economy but also relative to the other issues we face. >> part of the simplicity is i'm an outsider. i'm not a politician. some people might not know that you were on the federal reserve board in kansas city there. you're an economic adviser to bob dole and jack kemp in 1996. you ran for president very briefly in 2000. ended up co-chairing the steve forbes campaign for president. you ran for senate in the state of georgia. is it fair to say that you're not a washington insider but you're not exactly a political outsider. >> i am not a washington insider and i'm not a politician even though i have helped other politicians with their campaigns. i have been a businessman for over 40 years. so my part time activities helping other candidates does not make me a politician. i ran for the united states senate in 2004 and i came in an impressive second. and so i did not know what that was going to lead to. so i consider myself not only a washington outsider but also a nonpolitician. because even though i've helped people, i have not healld high elected office. >> what is your relationship with the brothers who many americans might not interrogatory name but they have funneled millions of dollars into conservative causes. they are part of bank rolling at the citizens united case. less restrictions on campaign finance and disclosure. do you have a relationship with the coke brothers? >> i know the brothers. they helped to start an organization called americans for prosperity. and did i some speaking when they were starting that organization and i'm very proud of the relationship that i have with them as well as americans for prosperity. i have also attended some of their seminars and have found them very informative. i don't have a close relationship but i know them and i respect them. and they know me and they respect me. >> one of your comments over the week that drew attention from one of your rils, rick santorum from pennsylvania. you said when it come to same sex marriage, you think as you just addressed on the immigration issue, you think this should be dealt with on a state basis. senator santorum said the idea that this is an issue that should be left to the states is the position barack obama takes. it is not the right position. there needs to be a uniform defense anything of marriage in this country. do you disagree with senator santorum on that? >> well, that's a point of difference. look, i believe in traditional marriage and i believe in the defense of marriage act. the defense of marriage act, i might point out to senator santorum basically already gives that responsibility to the states. in one way, from the perspective if one state recognizes same sex marriage, the defense of marriage act that was passed in 1996 and signed by bill clinton says that another state does not have to recognize it. so i don't see how that's such a big leap from saying that the decision ought to be at the state level when in fact we already have laws to protect states from strong recognize the decision that another state may have made relative to that particular issue. >> let me ask you a couple questions about how herman cain would approach the job of commander-in-chief. there was a question with u.s. troop in afghanistan increasingly facing shelling coming from the pakistan side of the border. mortar being fired across the border. other weapons across the border. what would a president cain do if u.s. troops in afghanistan were being shelled from a country that is nominally an ally. pakistan. >> well, john, let's back up first. because first of all, i wouldn't have allowed the situation to get to where it is. this president first approved the surge a little over a year ago. and then he then desurges the whole move and then he tells the enemy. that's the problem. i wouldn't have hesitated to basically say yes to the surge if my commanders on the ground thought it was the right thing to do. the surge was working. but then this president decided almost against the will of his commanders to basically announce how many troops he's going to bring home for political reasons. and so i believe that decision has made our men and women in uniform more vulnerable. regardless of where the attacks of the shelling may be coming from. let's go back to he's made the wrong decision of pulling the troops out and then letting the enemy know exactly what we're going to do and when. i also don't agree with him doing the same thing in iraq. you don't telegraph what your moves will be when you're involved in a war. no. that i don't believe is good common sense when it come to making decisions that will ill fact lives of our men and women in uniform. >> but if this were happening in the cain administration works president cain give the colonel and the general on the ground the authority to retaliate? to fire back across the border. would you order a drone strike if could you prove you had no doubt that attacks on your men know your men were coming from across that border. >> i would give the order to fight back and to fire back, yes, without hesitating if in fact the commanders felt like they had the information and it was substantiated. i wouldn't hesitate to give them the authority to defend themselves and to fight back. >> mr. cain, thank you for your time tonight. we'll see you when you get here to vegas. >> i look forward to it. thank you. rare praise from rush limbaugh who says we've caught the president and the attorney general in a contradiction. maybe more when it document what they knew and when they knew about it the so-called fast and furious scandal. 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>> i don't know if they'll look at that so much. in all reality every driver just wants to win. it's not about the money. you put $5 million there. that was to put people in the stands. to promote the sport and dan wheldon was the perfect pitchman for that. we got a lot of attention for the iny car series for that reason. they'll just be looking at the track conditions and look at maybe limiting the number of cars in the field. he had 34 cars in the feel. that's larger than the biggest race of the year at the inannapolis 500. that was a concern. and you have to keep in mind, the last time they raced here was back in 2000. this race has been repaved with banking added. that allowed them to go three wide flat at 220 miles an hour. >> three wide flat. 220 miles an hour. you've covered this race for a long time. i want you to liberty here. you know dan wheldon. this was an interview he did on cnn the morning after won the indy 500 in may. let's listen. >> it's incredibly intense around this race track. we're doing speeds in excess of 225 miles an hour. and with this race, you just never know what can happen. so it's about staying focused. and you really don't ever let off the power unless you have to. and that's what i wanted to do yesterday. that's what i did. and fortunately i was able to drink milk in victory lane. >> that's the day after the indy 500 victory. you knew dan wheldon. you hear him talking about you don't let off the power unless you have to. the thrill of the victory there. tell us about this man. >> reporter: it's hard to hear him talk there, to be honest. he is a great human being. he wasn't just a great race car driver. one of the best that we've seen. two-time indy 500 champion. a great person, a lot of fun. everybody loved his infectious smile. he just loved his job and he loved this series. he was looking to come back perhaps full time next year. but you hear those words there. he flat out didn't want -- he was very smart about the way erase asked there was nothing he could have done yesterday. >> and let me ask you lastly, as we mourn the passing of dan wheldon, you spent some time at the hospital. in terms of the additional injuries and lives, what can you tell us? >> reporter: as far as other drivers are concerned? >> yes. >> reporter: yes. j.r. hildebrand was involved in that. he had the pink car that was completely destroyed. they believe that he hab perhaps had a concussion. they took him to umc. he was treated overnight and released today. he is okay. pippa mann, the fourth woman in the field had a severe burn on her right pinky finger. she had surgery. held overnight. she, too, has been release asked will power who was going for the championship alongside dario, complained of back pain. he broke his back two years ago in a race. but he was check and released yesterday. >> jamie little of espn and abc, we appreciate your help and your reporting on this tragic day in the indy sports. dan wheldon died in that horrific crash. thank you so much for your help. ahead here, a major agreement between federal communications sxhigs the wireless carriers may mean big savings for you if you have a cell phone. and commander-in-chief or campaigner in chief? 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the economy. this state has the highest up employment rate among the states. it was 13.4% back in august. also it has a huge housing problem. the highest foreclosure rates in the country. 1 in every 118 housing units received a foreclosure filing. so president obama carried in 2008. now looks very tough to win in 2012. if it tips back to red, one additional electoral vote. that's why it is such a big battleground. that's why the republican candidates will be here for our big debate tomorrow night. a few minutes away from the top of the hour. erin burnett coming up and she is here with a preview. you interviewed the nba commissioner david stern. i'm a celtics fan and a wizards fan. when i am a going to a game? >> how about this? maybe around thanksgiving. that's what the commissioner hopes. you'll get to hear what david stern has to say about reaching a deal with the likes of lebron james and carmelo anthony. that's coming up. also, you talk about the state of nevada, the problems there. unemployment, house prices plunging. we're going to talk about the big y i know you've been talking about herman cain and ron paul. what are some world changing ideas? 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>> he was just in my district a couple weeks ago. he said almost the exact same thing. what we need to do is have cooperation in congress about passing a jobs bill. and we're frustrated because everybody wants to talk about the elections which are a long ways away. >> is it just the economic numbers? or is he somehow failing to break through? we have a new poll outful will the president's policies fail? a tough question to ask. when you're in a slump like this, you're asked this question. 59% of americans now think they will fail. 2010, 47%. in 2009, only one in three americans thought that. why are people looking at it? >> i think the reason they think his policy there's fail is they realize the tea party has taken over the u.s. house of representatives. they won't work with us to try to pass a jobs plan themselves won't work with us to pass policies. they're spending all of their time trying to get environmental laufls last week we had another vote on abortion. so they're distracted. they're not talking about jobs. and i think the american public as this fall goes on, they're going to realize that the president is trying to do something to create jobs. you need two to tang dlox. >> you're the republican chair here. this state has the highest unemployment in the country. a devastating horrible housing crisis. would you tell john boehner, figure something out with the president in the short term? or do you prefer this just spill over into the next election? >> well, you know, i have to sit in the room and actually hear what he would have to say. it would be nice to come out with some type of compromise. like you said know we're one of the highest here in the nation. we have the highest foreclosure rate in the nation. we're hurting. and we do need results. we don't need rhetoric. >> in regard to the economic argument in this state now. why has the president -- i want to ask this question. has the president lost leverage with those who supported him? >> i think the poll numbers that you just read. i think too many people who supported him aren't listening anymore. they've given up here in this state. we've got close to 15% unemployment. take down just a couple points now as the chair woman said. 60% of the people are underwater on their homes. they're looking for answers. i don't think it is that partisan anymore. they're so angry. and what the president, as you mentioned, he won by 12 points. it was stunning in 2008. his number are now upside down. the democrats drag harry reid, the victory. they do the same thing here in 2012. >> and everything is political now. the president is out today. he said it is official travel. he's in virginia and north carolina. these are states he's targeting. every president does this. john mccain sees the president on the road and says the taxpayers are paying for this and said maybe they shouldn't. >> the president made these remarks on a taxpayer paid for riding in a canadian bus visit for the next three days. >> if you look at a map, congresswoman, michigan, new york, california, texas, florida, colorado, washington, ohio, new jersey, pennsylvania, north carolina, minnesota, virginia, virginia. that's where the president is taking official travel in the next three months. that's right from the top. take texas off that list, those are his targets for 2012, aren't they? >> some of them might be targets. some of them might not be. it is hard to argue when the president is going around the country arguing for his jobs plan, taking to it states where there are a lot of republicans who might actually be persuaded to vote for this bill. it is hard to argue that's not part of his job. his job is to work with do know. and that's what he's trying to do. >> and republicans are criticizing him now, but i could go back and find the calendar from 2003. you would agree, george. with bush would do the exact same thing. >> i think if you're going to run for the office, you should run on your own merit and your own funds. of course, it's okay for the taxpayer to pay for when he's on the job, so to speak, but i don't believe it's any more correct or more fair than mitt romney or ron paul who are not able to use those same funds. >> is that an issue that breaks through with voters? >> john mccain tried to get it in there too. didn't he take a canadian bus. when he was a senator running for the presidency, he wasn't doing political things on the taxpayer dime. listen, i just think that people are angry, john, and the problem is is that the president is a democrat and he made all these promises, unfortunately, for him, after he got elected, the stimulus was going to do this, bring out unemployment under a certain rate and it hasn't done that that. there may be other reasons, but they're angry and his numbers are showing that. >> his numbers are showing that, which is the reason the states are so important for a big presidential debate here in las vegas tomorrow night. when we come back, we'll talk about the stakes for the republican candidates and you'll hear herman cain singing his heart out about pizza. ♪ i couldn't if i tried ♪ eating only tacos or kentucky fried ♪ tltltltle emotional here? 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