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he's going to unveil a jobs proposal that my sources tell me will have specifics in a way his critics have been calling for. so according to my sources it will be actual legislation. that is real detail. until the package will be new initiatives not a rehash of the policies we've been hearing him promoting recently like patent reform or an infrastructure bank. my sources say there'll be proposals in three main categories, targeted tax cuts, another big one for the white house is new infrastructure investment, and then long-term help for the unemployed. i should point out this is all being worked out right now. it will continue to be hashed out over the president's vacation. the president is meeting with his top economic advisors tomorrow. i'll told it will come up there. already some republican leaders have issued warning shots saying this package should not include any new spending. the president says it will. sounds like we should brace for a fight. >> so david gather begin, last night on the program you had raised concerns about the timing of all this and that president is waiting until september that means new legislation won't be for awhile. but it sounds like he's maybe proposing legislation in september. >> sounds like he is proposing legislation in september. i think we should welcome the fact he's got some new job proposals and actually going to put on the table his deficit reduction proposals. people have been saying where's his plan on deficits. he hasn't done that. now he's going to do it. so i think he deserves credit for doing both those things. it's also true, anderson, that if you wait until september to put forward your jobs proposals and then you basically say i'm going to go back on the road with my bus and pro motte promote this all over the country, there's sort of an expectation implied in that they're not going to pass this. this is really about show. i'm going to put some proposals out there. maybe i'll get them but probably not, and then i'll use it as a harm. >> you think that's what this is about? >> i think they're trying to have it both ways. >> is the fact this information is leaking out now, that's clearly not an accident somebody is telling this to jessica. >> sure ain't no accident. he's just going on vacation. what would you want to do before you went on vacation in martha's vineyard with people hurting the way they are? you'd put out something saying there's going to be some action. i think most americans would like to see him have people at the white house saying, republicans, here are my proposals. what are your proposals? let's see if we can't make a marriage of the two and get going now? why wait, wait, wait? >> ari, what about that? what do you think of the white house strategy? does it put real pressure on republicans in congress to release a new jobs plan of their own? >> well, number one, specifics are vitally important. presidents always do best when they lead the most. and even if you don't like what they're saying, presidents get credit for leadership if they're taking initiative. that's what was lacking from the spring through the summer on the debt debate. there were no specifics that president offered. nobody ever heard of what they were, even in the private republicans will tell you the president was always vague saying medicare needs to be on the table, this needs to be on the table without specificity. that's number one. the timing, though, too, i think the president would have been better served if he had come out earlier in august and then took the bus trip he was on. then he could have been going around the country trying to convince people he had the right policies to make america better and to create jobs. instead he really created a political tour for himself where he looks like mitt romney or governor perry or any other candidate just out on the husband tings rustings. i think he's probably hurt himself politically in the last three days. we'll see what the specifics are you in september. this all comes down to the devil's in the details. >> david, do you think it would have been better to do it in early august before the bus trip? >> republicans say this is 938 days into his presidency. what about doing it last year? what about doing it two years ago? so it's late. but i think here deserves credit for recognizing we do need something on jobs. we'll have to wait and see. i think ari's right about that. but i very seriously believe, anderson, that people want action more than words. he needs to be given credit for doing something in substantive terms but it has a lot of political overtones, doesn't it? really colored with politics. and it sounds like he's not really seriously expecting congress to act. what he is doing is looking for a way to beat republicans over the head. >> jessica, what do you think is behind the timing here? >> reporter: well, there are a couple of things. the president's advisors from my reporting think that there's no real point in rolling out legislation right now when congress is away. calling them back for a fight isn't going to serve anyone's interests. it will be gridlock. don't do it when they're away. when summer distractions drown out big news, do it when the focus is back on washington in september. it does have the political benefit, anderson, of putting him out on the road in the fall with real voters and real people, when i should point out that congress is likely to be back in washington locked in partisan fights. not only is that super committee coming back to town to start talking about the deficit reduction that david was mentioning, but keep in mind congress has not yet passed the next budget. there is now talk in washington there could be another government shutdown fight brewing in the fall. this gets the president out of town and away from those kinds of fights. >> but the very point is, everything jessica says is terrifically helpful and i think reported ex angtd exactly right. but the conversation was about the politics of it, not about creating jobs. >> that's what matters in the end. we have to leave it there. david, ari fleischer, jessica, thank you very much. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter ads anderson cooper governor perry says he creates jobs and president obama destroys them. what do the facts say? 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[ laughter ] >> i just want to respond back, if i may. mr. president, actions speak louder than words. my actions as governor are helping create jobs in this country. the president's actions are killing jobs in this country. it's time to get america working again! >> well, that's point number one of a three-point critique from governor perry that he's a job creator and president obama is a job destroyer. but keeping them honest that's not quite true. in fact all three of his points stretch the facts. point, two the private sector creates jobs. the public sector doesn't. that's what he says. listen. >> mr. president, you tried now for 2 1/2 years of government creating jobs. and it's time to let the private sector get back to work. [ cheers and applause ] >> okay. that's point two. point three, part of his economic success stems from how carefully he spends taxpayer dollars. listen. >> one of the things that we did in texas over the decade was we had some guiding principles. number one is don't spend all the money. >> well, keeping them honest, all three points glide over a number of inconvenient facts. so one of governor perry's claims, that texas has created half the nation's new jobs during the recovery? that's absolutely true. according to bureau of labor statistics, texas created about 262,000 jobs between the summer of 2009 and now. that's out of 524,000 jobs nation-wide. that hardly makes president obama as governor perry claims a job destroyer. nation-wide the economy has created jobs every month since mid 2009 but not enough to keep up with population growth. but in texas, that population growth in the form of migration into the state has been so massive it's creating huge demand for goods and services, and that means jobs. healthcare jobs up more than twice the federal rate. private education up nearly three fold. now, clearly texas is creating jobs. but in large part due to people migrating there not necessarily because of rick perry's policies. the bottom line, president obama and governor perry are both job creators but governor perry is benefitting from certain advantages unique to texas. the idea that one creates jobs, the other destroys them is a stretch at best. even more so, when you look at the type of jobs created -- and this is really interesting. u.s. news and world report crunched the numbers going back to 2008 through the end of last year. federal government jobs in texas were up 7%. state government jobs, government jobs up 8.4%. local government jobs up 6.1%. private sector jobs down.5%. so governor perry's second point that private sector creates jobs and the public sector doesn't? that simply doesn't hold up. it's just not true. not in texas. as for point three, spending discipline. texas had a $6.6 billion shortfall in its last budget back in 2009. now, instead of using the state's rainy day fund to close that gap, governor perry and the gop-controlled legislature took $6.4 billion in federal stimulus money. federal stimulus money. in fact the very same day they requested it he posted an anti-government item on his blog. the headline "help us turn the tide in washington and stop these irresponsible bailouts." the irony, this year with federal money running out, governor perry had to balance his budget without help from washington. that's meant major spending cuts and layoffs for state and local workers. spoke earlier about all this with democratic strategic dawna brazil and republican strategist alex castiano. >> alex a lot of those jobs in texas are in the public sector and funded by federal stimulus money. so when he criticized president obama's performance on job creation, isn't he being a little hypocritical here? >> that's one of the differences between playing in the minor leagues and playing big league ball in the presidential race. you have to think two or three moves down the road. i think on some of these big government issues, governor perry's going to have to have a lot to explain. for example, his ben bernanke comment is going to come back to bite him, because it turns out that as a governor he wrote a letter to bernanke asking for that $700 billion t.a.r.p. program. so you know, what you say has to match up with what you do at the presidential level. >> dawna, perry isn't alone, though. a lot of governors who criticized the stimulus went to accept stimulus funds. >> absolutely. in the case of texas, governor perry used the money to basically fill that gap with the budget shortfall. it allowed him not to tap too deeply into the rainy day fund. also at a time when other governors were cutting back and furloughing their employees, this governor was able to keep many of his public sector employees on the payroll. >> but anderson, also i want to defend perry here a little bit. it was their money originally. washington did take it from all the states. and you can't blame governors in democrat or republican from trying to get their money back. >> i want to play what you referenced about the comments he made about the fed chairman bernanke. i want to play that for our viewers in case he didn't see it. >> if this guy prints more money between now and the election, i don't know what y'all would do to him in iowa but we would treat him pretty ugly down in texas. i mean, printing more money to play politics at this particular time in american history is almost trees treasonous. >> does perry have a problem with the swagger on the campaign trail that is what a lot of his supporters love about him. >> on the one hand he demonstrates strength. right now people feel the president has lost control of washington, is on all sides of everything. but a president is someone who's got his finger on that nuclear button. you want somebody in that big chair in the oval office that's solid and steady and you can count on. and when you shoot from the lip, that doesn't convey that. what does it do? it scares suburban voters. it scares swing voters. and one thing republicans want more than anything this election is a candidate who can beat barack obama in the fall. also texas is a big state, you know, they're allowed to have big oil and big business and big colorful language. but if perry develops a pattern of this, it again is something that's going to hurt him in the fall. and that will hurt him in the primary. >> donna, do you think the white house cease perry as the most potent republican candidate right now? >> i think the white house should not take any of the republican candidates for granted. they should be concerned about all of them, including michele bachmann and mitt romney. that said, i thought he made a very big mistake in the first 72 hours of his introduction to the country. people might know him down in texas. in fact, louisianaens know him quite well and perhaps people in arkansas. but the majority of voters do not know rick perry. they don't know his record. they don't know his background. they don't know the fact that he's a former democrat. he was a democrat until 1989. so during this period of introduction, what voters are looking for especially republican side is somebody who can beat barack obama. but what the country's looking for is somebody who can lead the country at a very difficult time to help grow the economy. and i tell you, when they heard rick perry the other day they probably said, we'll take a pass on him. >> that's the worst thing i've heard yet that rick perry was a former democrat. the only thing worse is being a current democrat. oh, my! >> you know what? 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