deal with the phenomenon the president calls violent extremism. then how do we win the fight against the terror group on a new battlefield. i'll explain. also john chambers chairman and ceo of cisco on disruptive technologies the state of the economy and how the internet of everything will transform your life. finally a fascinating preview of the next few decades in which the united states will stay right on top. you won't want to miss this. but first here is my take. president obama stands accused of political correctness for his unwillingness to accuse groups like sis of islamic extremism choosing a more generic firm violent extremism. his critics say you cannot fight an enemy you will not name. his supporters feel his approach is to professorial. far from being a scholar concerned with describing the phenomenon accurately the president is actually deliberately choosing not to emphasize sis religious dimension for political and strategic reasons. after all, what would the practical consequences be of describing sis as islamic? would the west drop more bombs on it? no. but it would make many muslims feel their religion had been unfairly man ioned and disheartened leaders that continually denounced them as a group that does not represent islam. the islamic state is islamic, very islamic. the essays detailed ideology of the islamic state. these are not secular people with rational goals, he argues they really do believe in their religious ideology. woods he says reminds me of breathless tracks during the cold war that pointed out that the communists really, really believed in communism of course many sis leaders do believe their ideology. the question is why has ideology sprung up at this moment and why is it attractive to a group, tiny group of muslim men these days? woods describes sis as revised traditions dormant for hundreds of years. exactly. sis has rediscovered even reinvented a version of islam for its own purposes today. woods is much taken by academic turning a blind eye to isis for political reasons. people want to resolve islam. islam is a religion of peace mantra as if there is such a thing as islam, he says. it is what muslims do end quote. right, there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world and perhaps 30,000 members of isis. he feels it's 0.0019% of what muslims do that defines the religion. who is being political, i wonder. ideology succeeds when it replaces some other set of ideas that has failed. sherri berman. pan arabism, republicanism, efforts at democracy, economic secularism. espousing these principals morphed into social backwardness. in some cases the nation itself has collapsed as a project. it is in the face of this failure that groups like isis can say islam is the answer. this battle of ideologies can be seen vividly in the life of one man, profiled brilliantly by "new york times." a middle class fitness trainer from cairo interested mostly in making money and meeting girls. but his dreams began to crash into egypt's depressed economy and political turmoil, the article notes. he couldn't get a good job and began dreaming about leaving egypt questioning his life choices he became drawn to a very different ideology a version of islam that is rigorous and militant. now 22 he fights for the islamic state in syria. during last ramadan season he tweeted a photograph of a decapitated corpse. surely the holiday wouldn't be complete without a picture of one of the dog's corpses. islam yaken is a true believe. how did he get here and what are the forces that helped him along. calling him islamic doesn't help with any of that. for more go to my column. let's get started. >> we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> the president has gone to great pains to avoid framing the challenge against the terror group as one against radical islam. his critics have taken note and the article i mentioned has reignited that debate. in the article the atlantic's cover story graham wood wres yes, attracted adventure seekers, but the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from learned interpretations of islam, unquote. would the author of what isis really wants jones me from yale university where he's a lecturer in political science. joining us from istanbul a fellow from brookings institute policy. and here in new york peter barnhart city university of new york and cnn political commentator. thank you all. graeme i should start by giving you the floor. i just discoursed on your article. the question i have really beyond what i mentioned was you insist the islamic state and isis is very islamic, fine. what does that change in terms of the strategy one adopts. i notice at the end of the article you end up endorsing pretty much obama's approach to isis am i wrong? >> no you're quite right. i think many aspects of obama's approach are exactly what i would take. however, knowing the enemy i think is very important. if we understand how the organization of isis sees it sets we have a look at how it motivates recruits and how it presents itself. to deny it has any islamic character whatsoever is really to suggest something that simply isn't true and leads us to misguided approaces. >> a lot of islamic scholars and clerics have reacted to that article saying why do they get to define what's authentic islamic or not islamic, where do you come up? >> when it gets to a theological issue we shouldn't pretend isis approach to islam is equally legitimate as other interpretations. it is a distortion. they ignore centuries of islamic tradition. there is a tradition of legal pluralism from the early days of the prophet. if we look at the so-called prophetic model isis claims to expect from day one when verses came down there was questions of what was god's intent and what was the context that verse was revealed. isis has no interest in intent or context. so in that sense they are violating fundamental principles of interpretation so i don't think we can say isis is a medieval organization. they are distinctly modern. they are reacting against things they don't like in the world. >> peter, when you look at the kind of religious rhetoric they use, do you sometimes think this is a cover for power these are local thugs on the ground who have kind of come up with a very elaborate ideology that maybe speaks to some people but some believe in and some just want power. >> i don't doubt graeme's very, very good piece which he suggests very, very sincerely. we as american policy we as a nation have done best when we have defined our enemies narrowly. we did not fight a cold war against communism. for our most effective period of cold war. with allied with yugoslavia a communist country against soviets, we allied with china against soviets. we narrowed our enemies and therefore put more strength on our side. i think what's important about what obama is doing, he's trying to keep our enemies narrow. we are going to need top ally with people who may call themselves islamists in order to defeat isis maybe people who call themselves jihadists, whatever that means, just as we allied with communists against soviet union. we didn't fight all fass issues didn't have war on franco's spain. while important, shouldn't be what drives american policy. >> the point i'm making is to deny that they are from this enormously diverse and contradictly islam, that's where they find their legitimacy the discourse and rhetoric they use would be false. to take peter's point we certainly did not fight communism per se or fascism per se. the point i'm making not knowing what communism is naziism is that's more like the position that we're in right now. knowing the ideology allows us to separate and address things one by one. >> peter, if they are -- if isis is such a threat to so many other muslims and middle easterners why not let them take on the struggle? >> i think another very different database, how much of a threat this is. that's another issue you've seen obama take a different position than many of his republican critics. i don't think obama thinks isis is a potential real threat but i don't think he thinks it's as great a threat as al qaeda was the day before september 11th so i think obama's calculation about the amount of power he's willing to expend in fighting it is different. if you really believe isis was as great of a threat as many republican presidential hopefuls are saying we should be sending ground troops. i don't think the evidence is at this point that they are. that's why i think the u.s. should be doing what it's doing. maybe it could be doing it more effectively. we're providing air power and trying in a very difficult set of circumstances to build up stronger allies on the ground. unfortunately we don't have great allies on the ground. >> when we come back we're going to have more of this with graeme wood and peter barnhart talk about other controversies in america and middle east including increasingly public dispute between israel and the obama administration. introducing the citi® double cash card. it lets you earn cash back twice, once when you buy and again as you pay. it's cash back. then cash back again. and that's a cash back win-win . the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. music: melodic, calm music. don't miss the princess cruises 50th anniversary sale. our biggest sale ever. save up to $500 per person. everywhere we sail... ... all around the world. call your travel consultant, or 1-800-princess. princess cruises. come back new. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? 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>> the reason this clash is so fierce it goes to the heart of the legacies of both men. benjamin netanyahu sincerely believes he's winston churchill in the 1930s. the only person wise enough and brave enough to sound the alarm about a potential -- about a potential nazi-like threat. barack obama sees himself as much more again to richard nixon in the 1970s, trying to make look at the possibilitying of making an opening to iran which would be like an opening to china which would rejigger entire power balance in the middle east and allow america to solve problems it can't solve now and put itself in a much stronger position of it's not just that these guys don't like each other. not just that obama is a democrat and netanyahu plays footsies with republicans but goes to the core of how they see themselves historically. >> is israel netanyahu, going to throw a monkey wrench in the iran deal? >> i think the lesson of conflict from the united states and israel is this. when it comes to the palestinians israel wins. the united states just does not care enough to pay the political price. when it comes to an issue core to american national security like will we go to war with iran make no mistake, if this deal fails and we have new sanctions, we will be on a path to war. that is not an issue that barack obama or any other american president is going to allow an israeli lead tore have veto power over and i think obama has made that very clear to people in the democratic party. i think by and large they are going to stick with him. >> peter beinart, graeme wood shadi hamid, good to have you on. up next u.s. found a new battlefield on which to fight isis twitter. we will tell you whether it is working. blache but it doesn't hold me back. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night and stay awake during the day. non-24 is a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70% of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. major: here's our new trainer ensure active heart health. heart: i maximize good stuff like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol. new ensure active heart health supports your heart and body so you stay active and strong. ensure, take life in. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. now for what in the world segment. throughout its history as a superpower the united states fought not only on the battlefield but also tried to win over people's hearts and minds through diplomacy, public messaging and other efforts. that other battle now has a new frontier on twitter and other forms of social media, and it has not been led by the world's technology super important, the united states but by the medieval isis. isis has embraced social media with a zeal and savvy that has been startling. the group supporters issue 90,000 pieces of social media every day according to state department. jane berger conducting a study of isis's twitter usage missioned by google estimates that the number is closer to 200,000 mostly generated by less than 2,000 accounts using a very thoughtout high-volume method. even with twitter suspending some isis accounts berger says they are very prolific in producing new media. all tolled he estimates there are still 30,000 twitter accounts used by isis supporters. because they tweet so much they can place higher end search results and get their material on other twitter sites. this week the obama administration announced an effort to fight back. "the new york times" reported nat administration is reorganizing it's response to the isis campaign. expanding the state department's center for strategic counter-terrorism communications to coordinate a multi-agency effort drawing on hundreds of government twitter accounts the center will also coordinate messaging with muslim leaders and scholars who would likely have a better chance of influencing potential isis recruits states the "times." the center established in 2011 has begun a think again, turn away campaign trying to convince those on the fence that joining isis is the wrong choice. the overall strategy is three-fold according to the agency's previous director alberto hernandez in a 2014 speech. to contest the space that has previously been ceded to terrorists highlighting jihadi weak spots, muslims as victims, finally the adversary, getting inside their heads like they do to us. preventing would be terrorists from joining isis might be less about altering their theology than appealing to basic human instincts. he quotes al qaeda scholar who notes that a growing number of microlevel studies of jihadi recruitment down plays the role of doctrine and emphasizes proximate incentives involving emotions the pleasure of agency the thrill of adventurism, joy of comrades. recruiting about giving young men something big and bold they can be part of. figuring ow the right approach is not easy. it's an alchemy more art than science, so how is the united states doing? it's difficult to quantify progress. generally the reviews we've seen have been mixed of the budget for the center is only about $5 million a year a paltry sum compared to other policy initiatives. but the idea is interesting and battlefield important. perhaps the state department needs to call in some of the people who ran the president's digital campaigns in 2008 and 2012. they seemed to know how to use social media and they also know how to win. up next cisco system builds and runs what is often called the arteries of the internet. what does ceo john chambers see as the future of today's most powerful technology. in people. but the m-class scans for danger... ...corrects for lane drifting... ...and if necessary, it will even brake all by itself. it is a luxury suv engineered to get you there and back safely. for tomorrow is another fight. the 2015 m-class. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services. 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when they have this internet of things that you talk about? >> yes. so if you think about it let me start with the business. when either parent goes to work in the business most likely their company will move from being a retail company or bank company or manufacturing company to a digital company. specializing retail and manufacturing. that's where ge is going, walmart is going as an example. you will automatically turn on and off devices in your home in terms of starting the did noter or changing the temperature, et cetera it will change life in a very positive way. it will generate a lot of jobs but it will be disruptive to many industries. it will be an environment if you don't change as a city or country or company you will get left behind so it will be disruptive. >> what do you mean when you talk about cities. a terrific piece in foreign affairs about cities becoming the new frontier? >> so maybe first cities and then countries. barcelona is probably the best example in the world. in fact they were voted most innovative city in new york created 40,000 jobs in this transition. the ability to look at each of these in teenagers, how they do public transportation and services public services to the citizens. how they basically manage their traffic control how they do street lighting. think about it from the country's perspective, israel was the first to make change. netanyahu's party, third political party, finance minister said this is about gdp growth digitizing can make a difference in one to three points gdp per year. secondly about job creation. it's about health care to every citizen delivered to their home or wherever they wan, education the same way. many people don't realize, there will be a digital era occurring. it will start with probably france germany, uk northern europe and southern europe. >> a lot of people are very gloomy. they don't think euro will survive, europe will survive or at the very least will be troubled and have to deal with slow growth for a decade. you're not there. >> not at all. we said nine months ago betting on europe government had their act together becoming digital countries, by cities i'm even more bullish on the u.s. >> what makes you more bullish on the u.s. i think i'm right you're with the other party in the united states republican. >> but i like democrats, too. >> would you say that when you look at how the united states has handle the great recession, between monetary policy recapitalization of banks, at least it looks to me we've done it better than anybody else. certainly if you look at japan and europe as the other alternatives. >> i think you're probably fareed you and i agree on most things. i think this time you're a little bit generous toward government. i think we've done it purely on the strength of the american economy and american people. i don't think it's because of government. i think the government has done a very average job. i think it's because of our basic concepts of job creation and business able to recreate themselves. >> what about the issue of jobs. a lot of the things you're describing sound transforming and, as you say, disruptive. but a lot of people say they don't really create those many jobs. in fact if you look at what a lot of this technology is doing is getting rid of jobs. >> so this the question i think people have to take a hard look at. let's use the innovation age. president clinton did an amazing job. i'm from the other party, as you know. he did an amazing job on really driving the internet and information age. many people in the early '90s when he started down that path, people said it's going to displace jobs not going to create jobs. fast forward, 22 million jobs real gdp growth and real income growth for average american citizen up over 16% each. >> that's almost 20 years ago. >> yeah. the concept was exactly the same. this is when you come from the next generation of the internet. i.e. everything is the digital age. exactly what the leadership of france understands and germany understands, if you build the infrastructure right, and this the infrastructure of the future highways railroads, education system you then will create jobs at a pace you haven't done before. so while there will be jobs destruction, like with the internet many jobs destruction, you will move those jobs to other areas. our country in the u.s. is the best at realigning industries quickly. what i found fascinating is french got has even quicker than u.s. does at this time. >> john chambers always a pressure to have you. >> fareed it's a pleasure. coming up next my next guest says the future of the united states is surprisingly sunny, but in his case he explains it's all because of geography when we come back. you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? 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>> absolutely. >> you look at japan aging fast europe aging fast. the u.s. remains privileged. but we point out it's also going to be isolated separated from the world. explain how that works out especially with regard to energy. >> sure. i'm not sure if i would use isolated retrenched would be a better world. united states is discovering global trade system is dependent on it. united states doesn't really use the trade system. right now it's about 90% of gdp america's total involvement, which is less than some countries like bolivia and kyrgyzstan. >> right now something like 50. >> the united states is the the least involved international economy as a percentage of gdp. a lot of that is disappearing. it used to be that 5% of our gdp was imports of energy products. well because of shale, we've gone from importing about 12 million barrels a day to two, once you figure out north america as a chunk. within two years north america is going to be energy independent. what opec is doing with shale, the price war, is not really working. shale production costs are now below $50 a barrel. they are cost competitive. so the war is pushing out russian siberian crude or north slope crude oral bertan or north sea crude but not shale patch. >> if you had the crisis in the middle east this has always been the concern, prices of oil skyrocket. people say it doesn't matter whether we're importing it from the middle east or not, we're still affected if it's $200 a barrel oil because that is a global commodity. >> right. but that linkage is breaking down. as it moves to formal self-sufficiency you have to remember they can't import oil from the united states it's illegal. while the dependent in congress you won't have broad spectrum political support for kpoesing united states on purpose for geopolitical rick. >> oil might decouple as a result there won't be a global price and middle east will mean more expensive middle eastern oil but not west texas crude. >> and we're seeing the start of that already. there's already about a $5 disconnect between american oil prices and global despite the fact american oil prices are more reliable, more sustainable and pure crude. it's not high sulfur. all we need now is some sort of shock on the supply side outside of north america to drive that factor home to the markets and then we're in a fundamentally new world energy trade, security everything. >> so when you look at this world you're describing it seems pretty messy with countries from -- >> messy is the right word. >> germany to china, all of them that seem to be doing well are going to start foundering. >> the reasons why china, japan, germany have done so well for years, the u.s. set up free trade that encouraged international interaction and put its navy which is four times more powerful than everybody else's put together at the service of the global commons. energy independence demographic shift, the fact our market is stable is ending that relationship, that commitment. when the rest of the world is responsible for patrolling its own system and there's no one to broker what that looks like that's where resource wars come in. what we're seeing right now is the final days months maybe a couple years of the old system that the united states arbitrated. we're very close to the beginning of the new. >> fascinating particularly for me because it describes in some measure the things i was trying to get out in post american war but you take it in so many interesting and fresh directions. peter, pleasure to have you on. >> glad to be here. >> up next president obama pulling most of the troops fighting ebola out of west africa. but is it mission accomplished? 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