news, president trump taking on his cdc director calling him confused and mistaken on two issues central to the virus. masks and vaccines. trump said it would be up to a year before a vaccine is available to the general public. >> i think he made a muss taist when he said that. it's just incorrect information. and i called him, and he didn't tell me that. and i think he got the message maybe confuse. i saw the statement. i called him, i said what did you mean by that? and i think he just made a mistake. >> so, y'all had the call, you said he made a mistake. >> i didn't tell him anything. i said, what happened? i got the impression he didn't realize he said what he said. i didn't see him say it. >> okay. let's let you hear him say it. here is dr. redfield today under oath. >> i think there will be vaccine that will initially be available sometime between november and december but limited supply and will have to be prioritized. if you're asking me when is it going to be generally available to the american public soet bac regular life, i think we're probably looking at third -- late second quarter, third quarter 2021. >> okay. that is sobering. late second quarter, third quarter. that's the end of the summer or fall of next year. it is a year away and it is long after election day 2020. that was his honest, clear scientific assessment. the president didn't like it. and then the president continued to suggest that dr. redfield got it wrong today when he said this. >> we have clear scientific evidence they work and they are our best defense. i might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. >> the irony that the president of the united states keeps saying he wants a vaccine by election day help him has one in his hands and refuses to have his own supporters wear them, that is pretty incredible. but here's the president publicly rebuking his cdc director. >> i called him about that. those were the two things i touched with him. and i believe that if you ask him, he would probably say that he didn't understand the question because i said to him -- i asked him those two questions, the one questin which we've covered and the mask question. when i called up robert today, i said to him what's with the mask? he said, i think i answered that question incorrectly. i think maybe he misunderstood it. >> that's absurd. he didn't misunderstand it. it was very clear what he said. wasn't confused. by the way, it's not just that he said it today, held it up and said it about the vaccines and said it's the most effective thing we have. he's repeatedly said the same thing, the masks works. here he is in july. >> we're not powerless. we don't have to wait for a vaccine, although i think we're going to be successful sooner than many people think. we have the most powerful weapon in our hands right now. i mean, it's an enormously powerful weapon. it's just a simple flimsy mask. >> consistency. well, the president's words are not things the cdc director can ignore tonight, right, and just hope they go away. they are a direct assault on him and they are a direct assault. for the kind of talk that the president put out there cavalierly today. trump though of course isn't going anywhere. he's not a little guy down the totem poll like caputo. the cdc director has been forced to respond, saying, quote, i 100% understand the importance of a vaccine and the importance of a covid-19 vaccine. a covid-19 vaccine is the thing that will get americans back to normal everyday life. the best defense we have against the virus are the important mitigation effects of wearing a mask, washing your hands, social distancing, and be careful about kouds. kaitlan collins is live outfront the white house. a stunning rebuke of the president of the united states that the cdc director was discussing under oath and the cdc director forced to respond. >> reporter: the president said, erin, that he had confidence in dr. redfield, but it sure didn't sound like it when he was pushing back against two of his lines of testimony today. this wasn't a question he was asked really quickly and answered very fast. he took his time. he answered in a methodical way. he said even if a vaccine was ready tomorrow, it would take six to nine months to get it out to the american population where there is a widespread immunity situation. he was talking about how long it would take and logistically how that would work. that is something that lines up with what we have heard from all the other health officials including dr. anthony fauci and others in this administration. of course we saw how the president felt about that. he clearly gave red field an ear full after the testimony and about the mask. we have the cdc director responding to the president. he just tweeted a few moments ago, and he's not pushing back on the way the president characterized their conversation. he tweeted i 100% believe in the importance of vaccines and the importance of a covid-19 vaccine, but he doesn't push back on what he said about a time line there. he doesn't say that the president was right. that's something pretty important for the cdc director to do one way or another, say that the president is right that a vaccine will happen much sooner or say he does stand by his time line. he does tweet the best defense we have against the virus the mitigation efforts of social distancing, washing your hands, but also washing your hands. he is standing by how important a mask is to him, erin burnett. this is another instance where we're seeing dr. redfield put in a position he's openly at odds with the president. >> openly at odds with the president on something so core and basic. the president was calling him confused. he was pejorative in his description as well. in this press conference just watching the president seemed to confirm -- i'm looking for his wording here right now -- but seemed to confirm another positive case of the virus at the white house. in fact his wording was, last night i heard about it for the first time and it's a small number of cases, plural, maybe it's not even cases. so, what's going on here? >> reporter: not a lot of clarity. what we have heard, there have been rumbles this morning that someone at the white house tested positive for coronavirus. and the chief of staff and the press secretary refused to answer that question from reporters twice today. then the president confirmed that a staffer has tested positive. he said staffers but then kay li mcenany was seated in the briefing room. she said it was one staffer. i'm assuming that was the town hall he did in philadelphia last night. they didn't offer any more clarity than that. they keep saying they want to protect the person's personal information. the question is who were they around, what was their reactions with people? they did say they did not interact with the president or the press. that's all the clarity we've got right now. it does go to show someone else has tested positive as the white house and the trump campaign has been holding these events with little masks and little social distancing as well. thank you, and i want to go to dr. jonathan reiner along with william hassal teen, a groundbreaking hiv/aids researcher, and nia-malika henderson. dr. ryan r, the president rebuking calling confused and mistaken. obviously he was not confused nor mistaken. he was thoughtful and considered in both cases. have you seen anything like this before? >> no, i think that was stunning. this is not the first time the president has rebuked dr. redfield. he did it earlier this year when the can cdc director warned against a double shot of a flu season in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. and he made him come back the next day to walk back those comments. but what dr. redfield said today made complete sense. it was common sense. what he said was it's going to take a very long time to vaccinate the united states. we're only going to have maybe at the outset, if both the moderna and pfizer vaccines are approved, maybe about 45 million doses. that's 22.5 million people. that's 6% of the population. until more vaccine can be manufactured or other vaccines are approved. and that's going to talk a very long time. plus these vaccines require very complex distribution channels requiring ultra cold storage with the pfizer vaccine down to minus 94 degrees fahrenheit, stable in a refrigerator only a day two. it's going to make administering a vaccine very complex. >> yeah. >> the bottom line is we need to do everything that dr. redfield said which is to remain masked up until large numbers of the people can get the vaccine. >> so, professor, senior official at the cdc, in reaction to this, tells cnn that dr. redfield, quote, was a convenient punching bag for the president tonight. another senior official just gives out a huge sigh when called and presented with what the president said about dr. redfield. how concerning is this this is even occurring? dr. redfield goes under oath -- you don't have to go under oath to say mcs work. but he was under oath, to be clear, and he's laying it out that they are as effective or more effective than a vaccine, something he's said before. and president says he's confused, he's mistaken. >> well, there's a document that the cdc issued recently which is a document that lays out their plans and the plans that the nation should follow should a vaccine be proven to be at least partially safe and partially effective soon. and it's very clear in that document, in black and white, that there won't be a vaccine to vaccinate very many people. there is going to be a prioritization and the cdc lays out very clearly how they are going to recommend that prioritization to take place. so, that's an official government document. it's out there for everyone to read. they have three or four phases in which the vaccine will be rolled out. and it won't be until, as dr. redfield said, late in 2021, if a vaccine is available. the second thing is about effectiveness of vaccines. the criterion that the cdc is going to -- or the fda has sated is the vaccine only has to prevent half of the people exposed from getting sick. that's half. but dr. redfield was saying is absolutely accurate. a mask, a good mask, can do better than that. >> which is a pretty incredible thing. as i said, just the irony of that, that the president actually has the thing that could be the best thing of getting things back to normal and chooses day in and day out to not avail himself of it or his supporters. there is such a deep irony in this. the cdc spokesperson just said something a moment ago. i want to give you a chance to hear this, saying in today's hearing dr. redfield was answering a question he thought was in regard to a time period he thought all americans would have taken their vaccination. he was not prefer referring to the final period covid vaccine doses would be made to all americans. that's a deeply confusing statement. is that a statement of someone saying i stand by what mr. red field said mr. mr. president, you're right too. i'm not sure what that is. >> this is deeply confusing to the american public at this dire time where about a thousand people are dying every day of covid, of coronavirus. and you see this in the polling. back in the spring, you had something like 70% of americans really believing in a vaccine, saying they would get a vaccine. and since then, you've seen that really, really decline. it's something like 50%, 60% now, depending on the poll you look at. and you see today why that is, because there's so much confusion out of this administration. the president there contradicting a doctor who was under oath and testifying, not confused at all by those very simple questions, some of them posed by republicans. sot, it's not like he was getting trick questions. they were very simple questions that he answered very clearly and i would say very accurately. now he has to go and put out this very confusing statement. and it's just more obfuscation from this white house on very critical issues. americans want information. they want science-based information. and from this white house, you just get a lot of confusion and contradiction from this president that really wants americans to live on fantasy island when it comes to a vaccine. >> so, what do you make to such a nonsensical statement. we stand by what he said, it won't be available until the second quarter or third quarter next year. we're not talking about when it's widely available. what does that mean? >> it is confusing and i think it's clear what the cdc has laid out. there's a stepwise program to help deal with what is anticipated to be a very limited supply if the vaccine is proved to be partially safe and partially effective. and it will take a good many months for that to occur. there are many other questions about which dr. reiner referred to which the chain integrity. how do we know who's going to be getting it. when i look -- and i've been reading carefully -- the playbook. it's the same situation as testing. it's all up to the states. it's all up to the states. and there's two kinds of states that are laid out. those that are centrally organized and the regionally organized. and in the regionally organized it's up exactly to the regions, not even the state. i think we're setting ourselves up for a deeper confusion on how these programs are going to be administered, what their consistency is than we have even for testing. it would be a mess. >> i think you also raise a really key point that a lot of people don't realize which is that the vaccine is okay if it has a 1 in 2 chance in succeeding. but the mask has a better than one in two chance, even with imperfections of people wearing them imperfectly or touching their face, whatever it may be. dr. redfield was very clear today, it is more likely to take care of me than a vaccine. the president comes out and says there's a lot of problems with masks. here he is. >> the mask is a mixed bag. there are some people, professionals -- scott, you would know a lot of them. there are some people that don't like the masks because the touchiness and you're touching everything else. they feel that masks have problems. >> yes, they do have some problems, dr. reiner, but all in still more effective than a vaccine according to the director of the cdc. what do you say to the president? >> there are no professionals who have problems with the action manie masks. there are countrys that have massively embraced wearing action manies wechlt know it from u.s. states like vermont that have instituted a mask-wearing, almost 85% of the population. we know it from hospitals like columbia where, despite being in the basically the hot zone in the middle of the pandemic, the incidence of coronavirus was lower in his hospital employees who were universally masked than out in new york city as a whole. we know it from barbershops. a hairdresser was covid positive, but she wore a mask and all of her clients wore masks and none of them became infected. >> yep. >> so, masks work. dr. redfield is 100 fact right. >> all right. i thank you all. thank you. next, trump's baffling defense over america's failure to contain the virus. >> if you take the blue states out, we're at a level that i don't think anybody in the world would be at. >> we are one country. plus trump tweeting doctored and offensive videos, this time of joe biden. his campaign responds. and alarming new details tonight about the serious symptoms one woman suffered while taking part in a coronavirus vaccine trial. non-valvular afib can mean a lifetime of blood thinners. and if you're troubled by falls and bleeds, worry follows you everywhere. over 100,000 people have left blood thinners behind with watchman. it's a one-time, minimally invasive procedure that reduces stroke risk-- and bleeding worry--for life. watchman. it's one time. for a lifetime. i have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c. because i can still make my own insulin. and trulicity activates my body to release it like it's supposed to. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it's not insulin. and i only need to take it once a week. plus, it lowers the risk of cardiovascular events. trulicity isn't for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. don't take trulicity if you're allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, changes in vision, or diabetic retinopathy. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. taking trulicity with sulfonylurea or insulin raises low blood sugar risk. side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, belly pain, and decreased appetite, which lead to dehydration and may worsen kidney problems. i have it within me to lower my a1c. ask your doctor about trulicity. ...so you can find just the right plan for you. like the "visit a doctor anywhere our rv takes us" plan. the "zero copays means more money for rumba lessons" plan. and the "visit my doctor while eating pancakes" plan. unitedhealthcare is the #1 medicare plan provider, so you're sure to find the right plan for you. including the only plans with the aarp name. get medicare with more. breaking news. president trump suggesting the united states would be doing much better with coronavirus if we just took out the death numbers from blue states. >> the blue states had tremendous death rates. if you take the blue states out, we're at a level that i don't think anybody in the world would be at. >> well, you cannot take the blue states out. we are one country. right now the united states has a total of more than 196,000 americans dead, the five highest so-called blue states for deaths are on the screen there. they account for about 81,000 deaths. that's just about 41% of the country's grim total. that's grim to break it down that way considering we're one country. tim walz has endorsed president trump. you just heard president trump, nearly 2,000 people if your state have died so far from coronavirus. when he says just take those numbers out and things are going to look a whole lot better, what's your response? >> i think their families would think differently. to be honest, i didn't know the political affiliation of my 1,900 neighbor who is died. i know it's my responsibility to do everything i can to mitigate that risk and keep them alive. it's just unfortunate. i think we've seen this pattern. the president has seen he takes no responsibility and he left it up to governors to do that and that's what we're trying to do here in minnesota. >> tonight president trump has slammed the cdc director on two issues, masks and vaccines, saying he's confused, mistaken. dr. redfield clearly laid out that masks are the best option that we've got and continue to be the best option that we've got and that a vaccine will not be widely available to the american public until mid to late next year. the president came out and contradicted them. do you have any doubts from the cdc director? >> no, none. many of your viewers may know we're home to the mayo clinic in minnesota. we have a proud tradition of following science. dr. redfield is correct. we have a statewide mask mandate. we have surrounding states that do not. in their case, positivity rates are higher. this is not a competition with surrounding states because citizens visit back and forth. the lack of a federal response has complicated things. we're one of four pilot states that has taken what it takes to deliver. the hyperpoliticalness of this need to be looked at. i think he's right on his timeline from everything we see. >> joe biden and president trump are visiting your state on friday for campaign events. you've asked both of them to follow your rules and your rules include -- please correct me if i'm wrong because his campaign is going to be on a few moments after you. gathering cannot exceed 250 people. social distancing of six feet must be maintained. mandatory face mcs for indoor events and outdoor events for mask wearing. the president's event is going to be in an airport hangar, half open, people likely forced to be crammed together. we've seen that in recent days. he has not honored mask requirements in recent days. packed, no masks and no social distancing. do you expect him to listen to you and respect your rules? >> well, before i did this job i'm a public schoolteacher, so i'm the eternal optimist. i hope he does. we sent it to both campaigns. all those things are correct, erin, and that's what's allowed us to open businesses and keep them open, get kids back into school, return to somewhat of normalcy, we're doing the things everyone is saying makes a difference. if you're going to come to minnesota and ask for people's votes, prove to us you care about us and partner with us to beat this thing. >> as i mentioned i'm going to be talking to a truop member of the trump campaign. what would you like to tell him? >> minnesotans are proud, proud of our political involvement. we always rank first in voter turnout. i encourage people to get involved. i have a preference in vice president biden, but if you want to do this, do it the right way. the president has said that governors need to be in charge. our policies are working. they're making a difference, and i would just ask them -- certainly we want you to come. we want you to try and get your message out, but do so in a manner that doesn't put people at risk. and don't flaunt the idea. deborah birx was just out here. she braced us on hermour mitiga measures but told us we're in danger of seeing a spike in cases. so, just be our partner in keeping minnesotans safe. >> big 10 college football is coming back. it is something the president aggressively pushed for. he took a victory lap in tonight's briefing. here he is. >> i want to congratulate big 10 football. it's back. i called the commissioner a couple weeks ago and we started really putting a lot of pressure on frankly because there was no reason for it not to come back. >> he says, you know, he was doing a lot of putting the pressure on, calling the commissioner. does he deserve the credit here? >> i would certainly hope that the people making this decision -- and i say this as a football coach who my proud accomplishments are state championship. i care about this deeply. i care about big 10 football. but the decisions are being made by people with the best interest of the student athletes. i think we reassess where we're attokeep folks safe. when you're in a leadership position, you have to take responsibility for things that aren't going so great too. if we want to play big 10 football, i would say wear a mask when you're here friday, have your supporters wear a mask. those are things that i want to see happen. >> all right. we will see "outfront" next we'll be talking to his campaign manager. thank you so much. i appreciate all your time. the white house has a new health care plan will be out in weeks. why does no one seem to know anything about it. we're knowing new details about symptoms a previously healthy woman came down with after getting the second dose of the vaccine. it's the ones that got away that haunt me the most. 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>> of course it's real. and thank you very much for having me on, erin, first of all. let's remember we were all told as americans that obamacare had fixed everything and that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, and if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. that was ruled the lie of the year by pliti fact. people's plans got cancelled and they lost their doctor. president trump has a real record of improving things with health care. he has lowered prescription drug prices, introduced competition in the marketplace. obamacare premiums have come down over the last two years for the tifirst time. and he got rid of the hated individual mandate which joe biden will put back on. i'm not going to get ahead of the white house and their plans for the announcement. i think you heard the chief of staff say i don't know why anybody would trust congress to get anything done. they can't even pass the latest coronavirus relief pack and. so, there's every indication that it is ready to go, and i will defer to white house on that. i would also point out erin that joe biden's health care plan, acknowledgment that health care never really work. his is a march towards socialized medicine and would ultimately eliminate the private health insurance for 180 million americans in rural hospitals risk of bankruptcy. >> the only thing i'm going to say -- i understand you don't like the plan. >> it's a question of -- >> tim i'm pointing out you don't have a plan. the president has said for three years he's going have to a plan. it's going to be better. i understand the criticisms of obamacare. we've heard it and dealt with it. you got rid of it and there's been no plan to replace it and no specifics. why is it taking so long? why is it now going to come right before election day? >> again, sri to defer to the white house on the details of the plan and when it's coming out. but the president's record he has already established in offering lower priced insulin for lower income people, driving down the price of prescription drugs, allowing prescription drugs to be imported from other countries, driving down obamacare premiums, and getting rid of the individual mandate which was unconstitutional, forcing people to buy a product they didn't want or perhaps didn't need. all of those things builds a much better health care record than anything joe biden can offer. he was there when obamacare was created. it was obviously a failure. now his plan is a march towards taking away the private health care for 180 million people. that's not the direction we want to go. >> you may be correct about that, but joe biden has a plan out there. president trump has promised one for three years. if there was a plan, we would have seen it by now. pretty obvious, right? >> i think we've gone over this question a couple of times now and i'm not going to get ahead of the white house. the president has already built a health care record that is leaps and bounds better than joe biden's because he was there and helped build obamacare, which we know was a failure. and now he is proposing a march toward socialism. look at what his health care plan would do to rural hospitals because of medicare reimbursement rates -- >> i'm merely going to say i don't think it's fair to the conversation when you say his plan is bad when you don't have your own to defend. we've talked about this a couple of times. >> i'm telling you the president's record already is on health care. >> and you did layout -- i know the point you wanted to make on that. i want to ask you about something you are intimately involved in which is the president heading to minnesota on friday for a campaign event. i don't know if you heard but we just spoke to the governor there, governor walz very clear. he said i would tell the president to wear a mask, have your supporters to wear a mask. that is the regulation in his state. gathering to not exceed 250 people. masks six feet. social distancing. are you going to comply with those? >> at every event we conduct a temperature check. we hand out masks, encourage people to wear them, and we have hand sanitizer more than any group of people could use. i would point out that it's dangerous when you're picking and choosing whose first amendment rights are protected. governor walz had no problem with the people protests in the streets of minneapolis and elsewhere in minnesota and didn't express concern about social distancing or masks at that time. and also i would point out that people burning down the buildings and small businesses in minneapolis i suspect were not social distancing at the time. and so if people can protest in the streets by the tens of thousands, if people with riot, if people can gamble in casinos, then certainly they can gather peaceably under the first amendment to hear from the president of the united states. this event coming up in minnesota is in an airplane hangar, it's going to be largely outdoors, and we take great health and safety precautions for the people who attend. but the people who attend president trump's rally also have first amendment rights. >> one thing that us from straits me and i understand the point you make about hypocrisy and there was plenty of it going around. one thing is how do multiple wrongs ever add up to a right? we know the science. we know that masks work. we know it. just because somebody else jumped off a bridge doesn't mean that you should too. the cdc director's been so loud and clear about this, again even today here's what he said, tim. >> we have clear scientific evidence they work and they are our best defense. i might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. >> how can you hear that and not beg your supporters to wear them? >> well, the president has encouraged americans to wear masks. he's done it many times from the very white house press briefing room where you saw him speaking earlier. and as well we were talking about the vaccine, the president wants the vaccine out for the health and safety of americans as quickly as possible. there's no question of that. i'll tell you what is reckless is when joe biden and kamala harris purposefully try to scare people away from taking the vaccine, by casting doubt on its safety and in fact targeting minority communities for that misinformation, telling black people and latino who is we know are at greater risk through the coronavirus crisis, telling them they should be afraid of a vaccine, they themselves never answering a question. >> joe biden has said he trusts the vaccine, that he would take the vaccine. he said that. >> joe biden has made this into a political issue and has purposefully tried to scare people away from the vaccine. that is extremely reckless behavior to try to convince americans that they should be suspicious of the vaccine that all of the doctors involved say has never been the subject of any political pressure. it is joe biden who has turned this into a political issue and is trying to frighten people away from a potentially life saving vaccine. it's reckless and he's only doing it because he believes it helps him politically. >> let me ask you one thing. that is what the president did today on twitter. he shared a fake video which twitter labelled it manipulated appears to show joe biden listen to the nwa song "f the police." the-in the real video, he was not listening to that song at all. then the president retweeted a video playing #pedobiden. how is this appropriate to share a fake video that's blatantly wrong and a conspiracy theory involving pedophilia. >> you call it a fake video. it is an internet meme. he was trying to make the point -- >> but biden didn't do it. it may be a meme, but it's not what he did. >> it's an internet meme. those are very frequently done to make a political point. and in this case, it is that joe biden is a prisoner of the extreme antipolice wing of the democrat party. we know that. he has sided with the rioters and against the police many times and in fact blame police for inciting the violence in portland. the title of the song is "f the police." that's what they've been chanting in the streets across america and that's what they were saying they hope that the l.a. sheriff's deputies, we hope they die. >> okay. that is horrific. that is horrific. but for you to equate -- that is a horrific thing and we all agree on that. but for you to equate that with joe biden i think is deeply unfair. i mean, i have a quote from him in june, no, i don't support defunding the police. no, i don't support defunding the police. that's very clear. >> joe biden admitted to a liberal activists he actually said yes, absolutely, i would support redirecting funding away from the police to other government programs. he has not been able to stand up to the antipolice wing of his party. he has never called out the violence for what it is, left wing protesters who are aligned with the most extreme elements of his party. these are the people who are in the streets chanting f the police. that is the point of that video and it's one that the president retweeted. and the biggest problem is for joe biden. why does he represent a party that has so many people who are in charge of the party and driving decision making in his party, why are those people out in the streets chanting, if the police? this is an issue -- i'm happy to talk about this all day long. joe biden represents the antipolice wing -- >> joe biden has said he doesn't support defunding the police. and if you want to make an equation the way you're making one, if you want to judge him by people who are chanting we hope they die, then you would judge the people by the people accusing him of being a pedophile. that's absurd. that's the only thing that -- >> when joe biden is asked the direct question can't we agree that we would redirect funding away from police, and he says, yes, absolutely, then he absolutely owns that position. this is not something that's vague or something we're trying to sideways attach to joe biden. he answered the question directly on video tape by a liberal activist who spoke at the democratic national convention. nowhere during the entire democratic national convention did anyone condemn the rioting. all we've heard from joe biden is he calls the rioters in this city or that peaceful protesters and -- >> joe biden has condemned the violence. he has condemned the violence. >> a blanket condemnation of violence, which of course everyone agrees with. he has never identified the people causing the violence as left wing violent mobs which is what they are. you think those are trump supporters setting fires to buildings in portland, oregon, seriously? >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. next, troubling new details emerging tonight about what happened to one woman taking part in a coronavirus vaccine trial. and a story you don't want to miss about what one man is doing amid what is quickly becoming a deadly side effect of the pandemic. ore? at morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience into strategies for the road ahead. we are morgan stanley. it's made for this guy a veteran who honorably served and it's made for her she's serving now we made it for all branches and all ranks whether they served one tour or made a career of it. we also made usaa for military spouses and their kids usaa is easy to work with and can save you money on auto, home and renters insurance. become a member today. get an insurance quote at usaa.com/quote usaa. what you're made of we're made for tonight new details about the illness that halted a key vaccine trial in its final stage before approval. cnn obtaining a document confirms a previous woman was diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder after her second dose of the vaccine. elizabeth cohen has the details "outfront." >> reporter: cnn has obtained an internal document from astrazeneca detailing why they paused their worldwide trial for the covid vaccine last week. at first all we knew was a study participant had a spinal cord problem. >> with an abundance of caution at a time like this, you put a clinical hold, investigate carefully to see if anyone else might have had had a similar finding of a spinal cord problem. >> but now this internal astrazeneca document shows more was known about the illness than was said at the time. "the new york times" reported that a trial participant had been diagnosed with transverse myelitis, a rare neurological disorder that can cause muscle paralysis. astrazeneca ceo said the participant had symptoms consistent with transverse may liets. astrazeneca called reports incorrect and said there was no final diagnosis. but astrazeneca's own internal initial safety report obtained by cnn says the participant had, quote, experienced confirmed transverse myelitis and, quote, symptoms consistent with transverse myelitis. the show had two doses of the coronavirus vaccine about 2.5 months apart. then on september 2nd, 13 days after that second dose while running she had a trip, not a fall with a jolt. the next day she experienced symptoms including difficulty walking, pain and weakness in her arms. on september 5th she was hospitalized and a neurologist noted her symptoms were improving. as tra seven astrazeneca declined to provide more details so did the university of oxford running the trials in the u.k. on september 11th, astrazeneca distributed report to doctors involved with the study. that same day the university of oxford updated this online patient information sheet that says volunteer the trial developed unexplained neurological symptoms including changed sensation or limb weakness. it does not mention myelitis. >> we're not being provided any details. this is creating a lot of confusion. >> on saturday astrazeneca announced clinical trials had resumed in the u.k. but in the united states the clinical trial remains on hold and under preview. dr. anthony fauci tells cnn it's a matter of time before trials restart in the u.s. and when they do, investigators need to be careful and watchout for similar symptoms. astrazeneca says it's committed to the safety of trial participants and highest standards of conduct in their studies telling cnn the company will continue to workthor autho world including the fda and u.s. and be guided when other clinical trials can resume. now, i spoke with dr. fauci yesterday. he considers this a one off this woman's illness but he said if does happen again among thepart entirely different situation. erin? >> thank you very much. next, how the pandemic is fueling the opioid crisis and what one man is trying to do to save those suffering. awarded network. include the best in entertainment and offer plans to mix and match starting at $35. plus, get the samsung galaxy s20 5g uw on us when you buy any note20 5g. only at verizon. more than 40 states since the pandemic began and a crisis one man has taken on by transforming his school by those battling addiction. he's tonight's champion for chang change. >> there's a lot of beauty in southeastern kentucky. we have a saying around here that every hole ller is a home someone's soul. troublesome creek tears up bridges and roads when it gets really, really angry. well, it's a pretty good metaphor at the downturn of the coal industry taking away the good jobs and of course, the opioid epidemic. it's the art of string instrument making. it is considered by many to be the birthplace of the mountain. when i first came down to establish the appalachian school of lutheran in 2012 and then came earl. ♪ ♪ >> when i did my first oxy cotton, i felt like it would ease the pain and make it easier for me. the pain from fail youre and no believing in myself. i was in jail for nine months. i've been through five different drug treatment facilities. i had a love for wood work and guitars. >> he said teach me how to make guitars. i said that's no problem. that's what we do. >> he said you don't understand, i need to come and do this. >> i was probably head for the death that time. how many more chances did you get in life? >> there was come discussion about the wisdom of bringing people of addiction into our studios. >> he's like we're going to give you a chance. don't let us down. >> what was supposed to be a one-year residence turned into a six-year relationship. >> i built over 70 instruments at this point. art releases something deep inside of you you don't know you have and woodworking, i was able to sigh the flaws and turn them into futuew features. i'm still sober eight years later. >> we actually took our experience with earl and used that as a spring line. the staff of the appalachian artisan center created the art of culture rehab program that is designed to host people in recovery in our studios. our black smith, pottery and luthery studios. we don't do the difficult work recovery centers do. we don't take people in that need to go through detox. they do that. what we do is except people into our studios when they've phased into a place where that's useful to them. >> i've never really completed anything before in my life, and it's actually turned out to be a pretty nice piece of the artwork. >> with my drug court clients that participate in the program, the rate is low, i would consider it to be 10% or less. they are learning skills, patience, building relationships and they will have a finished product in their hand. >> troublesome creek string company is an extension of our school to allow us to bring people from the recovery community into full-time employment. >> my life today is bigger than i ever dreamed imaginable. i went back and got a master's degree in network security. from an adduct to director of information technology so today i get to work with addicts. it's amazing to see people's lives change. doug believed in me. he was able to show me a lot of things that i couldn't see in myself. i feel like god put doug in this town. >> and don't miss cnn's one-hour "champions for change" special saturday night at 10:00 with alisyn camerota and john berman. "ac 360" with anderson starts now. the president of the united states considers it praise worthy fewer than 240,000 americans died of the coronavirus and some of what he said at this press conference late today. his comments come after and in reaction to testimony from some of the top public health experts conthe t contradicting him on mask wearing and the single highest day spike in deaths in more than a month according to the information gathered at johns hopkins. 1,293 reported covid fatalities yesterday. the one single person's whose words prevented so many from dying tried