Omarosa manigaultnewman releasing a new tape today. A secret recording of lara trump, the president s daughterinlaw. She offers omarosa a 180,000 a year job with the trump campaign. Paid for by small donors. This offer coming after omarosa was fired from her white house job. The only thing that we have to consider when were talking salary as far as the campaign is concerned is that, you know, everything is public. And all the money that we raise and that pays salaries is directly from donors. Smalldollar donors for the most part. I know you were making 179 at the white house. And i think we can work something out where we keep you right along those lines. Specifically, let me see i havent even added up the numbers but were thinking like 15k a month. Let me see what that adds up to. Thats times 12. Yeah. Think about that. 180,000 a year salary, right . You heard her lay out the numbers. 15,000 times 12. Paid for by, quote, smalldollar donors for the most part. Smalldollar donors were central to Donald Trumps success in 2016. And he knew it. Weve had tremendous support. But where we have had the best support in all fairness is the small donor. The 61, i think it averages, Something Like 61. Weve had tremendous success with the small donors. 61 a head. We have a lot of small donors. 61 a head average. We also have a lot of wonderful people in terms of small donations. And thats coming in fantastically. The trump family has billions of dollars but they were not offering to spend their own money. They chose to offer a questionable job using the money of thousands of his supporters. 180,000 divided by 61. You get the math. Many of these donors could only dream of making what omarosa was being offered. Lets lay it out. Lara trumps offer of 180,000 a year comes to about four times what the average american earns a year. This is according to the bureau of labor statistics. What would omarosa do to earn this hefty salary . Lara trump gave a job description. Specifically, i really feel like your position would require, you know, you to be able to be flexible in terms of where you are. Sometimes, you know, come to new york for occasional meetings, but i would love if you could, you know, occasionally go do speaking engagements and that sort of thing for us. I think you would be awesome doing that. And so it doesnt really matter where you are. If youre comfortable staying in d. C. , then you are were more than happy to have you. 180,000 in small donor money for occasional meetings and occasional speaking engagements. Sounds absurd . Sure. Lara trump knew it. She also made it clear she knew omarosa had some things in her back pocket and told her, you have to just say good things about the president. Sound a little like obviously theres some things that youve got in the back pocket. Clearly if you come on board with the campaign, we cant have that. Everything positive, right . Offers omarosa 180,000 of other peoples money. Small donors. In what appears to be an effort to keep omarosa quiet and just saying good things about donald trump. But it gets even better than that. Tonight lara trump is pushing back saying, omarosa was welcomed into our family as a trusted trend and confidante. When she was fired by the white house chief of staff in december 2017, my entire family was concerned for her because we had no idea about the basis of her dismissal. We still wanted her on the team because we cared so bmuch about her personally. Thats why i reached out to her. My entire family had no idea about the basis for her dismissal. This claim does not add up. This job offer as we understand it came four days after omarosa was fired by john kelly and omarosa recorded that, too, so you can hear why she was fired. Its come to my attention over the last few months that theres been some pretty significant integrity issues related to you and use of government vehicles and some other issues. Thats serious. Thats lying and cheating and using taxpayer money for things you shouldnt be. Lara trump is saying she knew omarosa who was welcomed into the family was fired but she didnt know why and did not bother to find out . This does not pass the basic smell test. It seems clear the trump family was willing to pay off omarosa for her silence as long as other people, small trump donors, 61 a piece on average, paid for it. Jeff zeleny is out front live at the white house. Omarosa is clearly getting under the president s skin. Erin, no question. Omarosa in many respects as we see this playing out is largely playing a trump game. She largely is dribbling out these recordings bit by bit in some cases hour by hour. You think the subject was changed to john brennan, the security clearances. Omarosa takes it back. So theres no question, we are told, talking to people at the white house the president is agitated by this, embarrassed by it and angry about it. Now the question is, was this really a payoff . We know at least in this white house its not that unusual for a fired staffers to suddenly wind up on the payroll of the reelection campaign. Thats a place where others have gone. Is omarosa in the same position . It seems shes different. She was fired directly and the president now we are told he knew about it. He said at the time he wasnt. All of this is going at the heart of something that he does not like people taking advantage of his name, using his name. Were told hes furious about this. He has stopped talking about it. Meeting. Hes not been tweeting about it except to show positive praise that she has said about him. So they are trying to show her as an opportunist here but so far at least she has the goods, and she has been releasing these tapes bit by bit and promises even more. Thank you jeff zelly. Lets go to john avlon, Kirsten Powers and jack odonnell, former president and chief operating officer of the Trump Plaza Hotel and casino. John, look, putting aside the absurdity of the claim here that we hired someone who was fired and no idea why they were fired and didnt bother to ask, i suppose, the president is obviously upset about this. Lets look at his tweet record. Didnt want to answer questions verbally. With a lot of time spent on the adjectives that go with them. Dog, lowlife, whatever it may be. Putin has not been mentioned once on twitter. North korea has been mentioned once. So its eight to one in favor of kim jongun. Thats a lot of psychological real estate for the president of the United States. Omarosa is playing the president s game against him. Obviously personal betrayal. Its not like this should come as a giant shock to anybody. This is chapter 751 of only the best people. They seem to attract people with integrity issues. What i loved about the tape, obviously theres some issues, things in your back pocket. Obviously. Like what . Do tell. Only things they felt could be hushed up with a noshow job that would take the donations occasional meetings, occasional speaking engagements for 180,000 a year. Pretty nice, right . A lot of small donors would have been happy to get that salary for that responsibility. The multiple of the average annual income and this is thousands of those 61 donations. This is an auditorium full of patsies having their money be used to pay silence of a reality show tv star. Nearly 3,000 of them using the average you heard the president use multiple times. Omarosa is now saying theres more tapes. There were people a few days ago who said any tape would have already been mentioned in the book. She cant have more tapes. But this one is new. No one knew it was out there. And now here it is. She says theres more. Here she is. There are things that i write about and then there are things im going to save to share when the time is right. Youre going to release more tapes . If i need to. Ill do what i have to do to protect myself. How are you going to determine whether you need to. Hes threatening to get me arrested and trying to intimidate my publisher and me. Donald trump has met his match. Jack, you know him well. Is he afraid . Has he met his match . Well, i think he is afraid. And this is what he does when he is most afraid. He attacks, attacks and attacks. You know, whether hes met his match or not, that remains to be seen. His tactics are similar to what he used when he tried to stop my book. The letter comes to the publisher, then you directly trying to buy you off and then the threats begin. Looks like the same pattern is there for his behavior. But he might have met his match here. He trained her, and i think shes learned some lessons from him. And she certainly is dribbling them out. Kirsten, that statement, im going to put it up on the screen again. Obviously the whole thing is my entire family was concerned for her because we had no idea about the basis for her dismissal. It doesnt add up. If you want to entertain that its possible that what shes saying here is true, which is worse, offering to pay someone off for their silence at 15,000 a month or hiring someone using Campaign Donor money at 61 a piece on average without bothering to check why they were fired from working for your fatherinlaw. This conversation with lara trump happened four days after omarosa was fired. Yeah, i have a slightly different view on this. For one thing, this isnt the whole tape. Omarosa says she hasnt released the whole tape. So if you just listen to what shes saying, shes not saying that shes buying her off. Youre going to have to travel sometimes to do these things. Shes not actually there could be a whole other conversation where she outlines what shes doing. But what about the part where she said only positive things . Thats a completely normal thing to expect of a person who is coming to work for an organization, a campaign or company. You couldnt say, oh, and you can come on and start what about the, i know you have a lot of stuff in your back pocket . Yeah, that would suggest they know that she is she is potentially damaging. So what im saying is, im saying that it is not uncommon in the political world if for people to find jobs for people when they feel theyve been problematic and they dont want them out there freelansing. To your other point about the money being used for it. I would say in any other situation, completely unethical. I think its a questionable thing here only because based on my experience with trump voters, they dont really care. If somebody says we had to do this for the cause, right, because she was out of control and she was going to hurt mr. Trump, and we had to do this, they might say, okay. Thats an interesting point. 61 donor, would they be okay with it . Thats a very good point. There is the surround trump while he shoots someone in fifth avenue crowd and they may say, this is great. I was paying for protection money in effect for my guy. Normally when people get hired on campaigns, its assumed. They dont need to be told theyre not going to run around saying negative things about the candidate. You dont have to put that out there. Jack, you were offered hush money by team trump. To you theres no question thats what that was to omarosa . Oh, listen, this is absolutely hush money in my opinion and, quite frankly, it does come on the backs of the farmers in iowa, in wisconsin. People that put faith in him. And its a pattern for him as well, by the way. The small investor in his history has always taken it on the short end. And the small donor in this case signed up for something and i dont think this is what they signed up for. There is a radical segment of the trump follower that doesnt care. But i think these new voters, these people in Rural Communities that are hardworking people, i think they do care that their money is being used as hush money. Jack, its interesting the person making this offer here is lara trump, the president s daughterinlaw. Not just a campaign official. This is a member of the family. You say trump doesnt do, or his family doesnt do anything without trumps direct approval. Well, during my days, of course, there was only one other trump in the organization and that was robert. So when robert had a message to deliver or came to Atlantic City to have a conversation, we always knew that it was with trumps blessing. In most cases, it was something that wasnt really positive. It was kind of tough news. Because he used his family for the tougher things. I think hes hiding behind a Family Member here doing kind of his dirty work in this situation. Kirsten . I dont think the president should be the one doing what she was doing. I think its completely appropriate for her to do it. And i maybe he did know about it. Its just not that unusual to try to find a job for somebody who is disgruntled. Thats all im saying. I hear your point but theres no way donald j. Trump did not know his campaign was going to hire her after she was fired from his white house. I dont know how i became a trump defender, but why did what would be wrong with that if he was trying to take a person who he knows is going to make a lot of trouble for him and have her on the campaign and give her a job where shes going to give speeches in support of him . Why would that be a bad thing . It is certainly what i would try to do if i get the point. I keep getting caught here on the morality of it. She was fired for using taxpayer money unethically, taking cars. Fired for cause. According to john kelly. Yeah. So thats a person that wanted to use donor money to serious integrity issues getting rewarded. Youre getting hung up on the morality of it. We left that neighborhood a long time ago. I suppose. I suppose so. Nonetheless, we try to carry the flag. We would like to think. Thank you all so much. Next the admiral who oversaw the bin laden raid telling President Trump to revoke his security clearance. General James Clapper whose own clearance is under review by the president is my guest. Plus the Republicanled Senate side with one of President Trumps favorite targets. And this is the Apollo Theater. Fans from around the world paying tribute to aretha franklin. T thomas nice choices you see, now verizon lets you mix and match your family unlimited plans like you mix and match your flavors. So you get what you want, without paying for things you dont. Number 6. I know. 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I thought his letter was clear, concise and very, very compelling. Heres a guy who has no political baggage whatsoever. Who has served his country with great distinction and speaking personally as a colleague and friend and bill mcraven is a personal hero of mine. And i think a lot of people are going to sit up and take notice with that letter. You know, there are a lot of republicans, general, who are actually defending trumps decision to revoke brennans security clearance. Some criticized the threat of it, but today, heres three who came out in his defense. Mr. Brennan has gone way over the line, in my view, and i think restricting his clearance, pulling his clearance makes sense to me. Totally political. I think i called him a butthead, and i meant it. I think hes given the National Intelligence community a bad name. And i do think the fact hes out there every single day acting in a very partisan way probably doesnt help his cause. Just to be clear, general, that was senator graham, senator kennedy and senator john thune. All of them coming to the president s defense and thune and graham often not doing that. Are you surprised that theyre sort of implying pretty clearly here in some cases directly saying john brennan is the one at fault . No, it doesnt surprise me that republican senators are supportive of the president. Thats been kind of the standard pattern here. To me, the issue isnt so much johns clearance or mine or anybody elses. Thats kind of small potatoes. The bigger issue here to me is using the president s authority over the classification system and granting or revoking clearances as a political weapon. And that, to me, is a much larger issue here and has huge implications. For example, and im just positting this, suppose the president , given his version to the Mueller Investigation decides to revoke the eligibility for access to classified information by mueller and his team. So i think, you know, i wish the senators would think about the larger implications here. Obviously, they dont seem to be at this time. President bushs former Homeland Security adviser fran town send was talking about this today. She said something that was really interesting about mueller and what just