Both exwives. But the white house tried to muddy the time line today. There has been reports about the chief of staff. He became fully aware about these allegations yesterday. Fully aware. Strange term if you already knew about allegations of Domestic Abuse. I mean what john kelly learned yesterday about what he knew months ago is not at all clear right now. Heres the things, you may not have heard of rob porter before the story before the abuse charges exploded but he was arising star in the trump white house, number two to chief of staff, gate keeper, anything highly classified that went through the president s desk went through rob porter. That is power. And knowledge. And in the many months that kelly and others knew that porter was accused by both exwives of abuse, porter remained solidly at trump side. He accompanied the president to china in november. One of the few to actually shakes hands with president xi. He was with trump at the World Economic forum in davos, stood in for kelly. One of the state of the Union Address. Office just steps away from the oval office. Porters exwives told damming stories. Told story in january 2017 porter pun shds her and she shared with the fbi photos in that interview. Heres of some of what jennifer will by porter second wife said she told the interview in that background interview. I told them all of the details of my marriage, including verbal and emotional abuse, and including the incident when he pulled me out of the shower. They were also made aware of the protective order that i signed in june of 2010. And there was a third woman. A girlfriend who lived with porter while he worked at the white house who reach out to porter exwives to talk about the abuse she was under going. To the general counsel don mcgahn. Despite this, three women, port rear mand on the job privy to the United States information. That is until the daily mail broke the story forcing their hand. Only then when the exwife story was put out to the public did porter resign. And today raj shaw took the podium repeatedly asked contract white house and john kelly kept porter on for so long in the face of the allegations especially fighting back after the story blew up in the daily mail. What changed yesterday absent a photograph in terms of new allegations . I think what i just referenced reports had additional allegations, they had more information. So you are saying the initial reports were too former wives accused him of violence both physical and verbal abuse was not sufficient for him to say hes a man of honor . There were a number of statements from the press secretary frrks the chief of staff, from others, that reflected the rob porter that we have come to know working here for over a year, and the chief of staff for about the last six months. But the reports were troubling. And i think the statement from wednesday night reflects the rob porter that we had seen in these news reports and kredsable allegation zbls to be clear, what was so shocking that had changed . . Was shocking. The full nature of the allegation particularly the images. Thats important. It sounds Like White House knew about porter exwives but because he didnt see a picture of the aftermath of the abuse it was not as much as a problem. Heres the image she has shared this picture. Taken by porter of a black eye she says he gave her. So the image bothered john kelly. The question is why the words of Domestic Abuse or wife beating didnt seem to absent an image . So lets go through the time line here. Because kellys assertion that the picture changed things dont seem to add up with the time line we have. 7 09 p. M. Did the stories detail their allegations of abuse by porter. In response, the chief of staff, john kelly released a statement drafted with the help of Communications Director hope hicks who, and this is complicated but this is real life, people, currently in a romantic relationship with rob porter, saying, quote, rob porter is a man of integrity. Hes a friend. A trusted professional. Im proud to serve along side him. In the morning, 8 27 picture with the black eye. Kelly statement is sent out again. This time to the press core. This actually came after porter had resigned. There were no changes, no amendment toss the statement. No comments about it being unacceptable. It wasnt until 9 30 last night, full 25 hours after that daily mail story was first published, 13 hours after the photo of Colby Holderness black eye became public, which she shared with the fbi over a year ago, that kelly changed his tune. He then says, quote, i was shocked by the new allegations released against against rob porter. There is no place for Domestic Violence in our vote. I stand by my previous statements about rob porter i have come to know. Shocked by new allegations. Problem is there wasnt anything new here. He knew about daily violence for months. Daily mail added a picture. Then he put out a new statement. And now they are saying the picture changed things. The context matters too. The reality is this white house has long fan consistent history of dealing with allegations of sexual abuse. Remember roy moore two weeks after the public allegations by four women who charged he sexually abuse ds them when they were in their teens, trump said this. Well, he denies it. Look, denies it. He totally says it doesnt happen and you have to listen to him also. You are talking about he said 40 years ago this did not happen. And over the decades at least 15 women have accused trump himself of sexual misconduct. The response is always the same, its all lies. These vicious claims about me of Inappropriate Conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. Is the official White House Position that all of these women are lying . Yeah, weve been clear on that from the beginning and the president has spoken about it. Take a look. Tell me what you think. I dont think so. I dont think so. The president has denied any of these allegations as have eyewitnesss. So any surprise that the white house ignored accusations against porter for months in that context then tried to defend him when they broke . Pamela brown outfront in the white house and pamela there is no doubt that senior staff at the white house were aware. Yeah, thats right, erin. Sources tell us that not only did chief of staff john kelly know about at least some of these Domestic Abuse allegations but other white house aides did months ago. But you heard raj shaw at the podium saying kelly didnt become fully aware until just recently, until this week, which begs the question, well what does that mean exactly. And the only thing he would say was that he didnt know about this picture of rob porters exwife with the black eye as you saw. So its unclear why that changed the dial so much for the chief of staff john kelly to then release the statement that came out last night wherefore the first time he acknowledged Domestic Abuse. Because as youll recall the allegations prior to that that had been reported were those of domestic and verbal abuse and protective order that had come out to the public. And that the exwives of Robert Porter had told the fbi nearly i guess a year ago, erin, about what happened, the specifics of what happened. It would be a shock if that was not raised to the white house during rob porters tenure here over the last year or so. So todays press briefing raised a lot of questions, raised more questions than answered in many ways about why it was handled the way it was the and why john kelly did not conduct internal review earlier if he knew about the allegations as our sources say. Now the white house said today they wanted fbi to continue its investigations. It said that it felt that was the proper channel for this to be investigated. But it certainly begs the question why rob porter was able to continue his work at the white house with interim security clearance continuing as sort of arising star here at the white house just recentsly working on the state of the Union Address when these allegations were surrounding him. Erin. All right. Thank you very much. Pamela. Outfront now gloria bore gear. Its hard to understand this, so if you know there is claims of Domestic Abuse from exwives, their live in girlfriend calls the white house general counsel to talk about her allegations of Domestic Abuse, and nobody did anything about it, and then when it broke in the press, which is only reason it would have come out, they defended him. Sure. And thats extremely troubling. They say that they werent aware of the full nature of all of this until recently. Look, just this sheer nature is disturbing enough. And we dont need to know all the details. We dont need a video or pictures. Reason enough is someone that is accused of multiple women of abuse. What happened is john kelly let his performance at the white house. Harvard degree got in their eyes. And they let that over shadow their good judgment and taking appropriate steps to do away with someone that has these serious allegations against them. Domestic abuse is abhorrent and the fact they turned the other way shows they were willing to die on porter hill and thats a shame. Gloria, whats so shocking about this is the point alice raises, to imply you are not fully aware when you know there was doumestic abuse by exwives and girlfriend because you hadnt seen a picture of the abuse. Ridiculous. It defies reason to think that excuse could be put out there. And that is a ridiculous excuse. And i think the question we have to ask is the extent to which general kelly knew about the details of this or any of this. And, you know, obviously this is an issue that the general counsel tease office deals with. Kelly had to be aware in some way, shape, or form, that there were red flags with his clearance. And that the reason there were red flags was because of Domestic Abuse. So the question that you have to ask is did kelly have conversations with rob porter . Did don mcgahn have conversations with rob porter in which porter said, these are my exwives, and, you know, this is just a lot of stuff that is not true and let me explain it to you. And perhaps there were those conversations where they chose to believe him. Now, we dont know the answer to that because the white house is not telling us the answer to that. So we dont know what rob porter was saying internally to people. But if i were general kelly, and i had had conversations with rob porter, i would be very upset right now. Because i would be upset with myself, because i had believed him over these women, and i would be upset because he probably thinks he was misled. And if i were the president , who just heard about this this week, i would be really upset because nobody told him. And this is a guy who is literally his shadow every day. Right. Every day. Right. I mean, tim, you know, it is pretty stunning when you think about the whole situation here. In any situation. Why when you have the most important women in someones life all coming forward and saying the same thing, that anybody would buy, well, they are just scorned or jealous or whatever it might have been. Again, defies reason. I want to play a little bit more of what jenny will a will by porter says. Hold an interview for security background checks and that was held with the special agents that met with me. They werent asking specific targeted questions about rob. They were asking, to my understanding, general questions about his character, about his ability to uphold the position. I told them all of the details of my marriage, including verbal and emotional abuse, and including the incident when he pulled me out of the shower. They were also made aware of the protective order that i signed in june of 2010. And they were also made aware of another time when i had called the police to our home after domestic disturbance. So, tim, obviously then Colby Holderness first exwife shared the pictures of the black eye that she shared with black eye last year. We are not aware john kelly was aware of those until they came out. Someone who signs a protective order, these are very serious things. Well, i understand that john kelly is rob porters boss. In the government we say direct report is to john kelly. If you are a boss of a unit in the United States government where people with security clearances, you are given updates on status of their clearances and when they are up for renewal and if there are problems with clearance. It is inconceivable to me that general kelly didnt know that there were problems with mr. Porters clearance. If he knew there were problems, then because hes a smart man, he would have looked into them. As i said we have reported that he did know they were Domestic Abuse. He has right to look at the fbi file which means he didnt believe the women. And fbi file by the way would have had all these details, interviews were done, pictures had been produced. Im just saying the files would have had details. And whats really sad about this is that given all the me too movement involved, to think that in the fall of last year general kelly didnt sit back in his chair and think, oh, wait a second, i may have this problem right here. Now, well learn more. But i think that the fbi did, sounds like they did their job. But you know in the end the decision about classification is made by the president and the chief of staff. Right. If they want these people to keep their clearances. They can do that. Regardless what the fbi finds. You cant do it for this reason. I think one of the key points people might be wondering what difference does it make about the interim clearance whatnot, when you have someone like this that is by all accounts during the day a shining star, and everyone says he has integrity and great character, but by night he is like dr. Jekyl and mr. Hyde clearly pattern of behavior that is contradictory during the day. Hes vulnerable for any one that wants to find someone in the government that can get secret information. If he is one person by day and another person by night he can be easily compromised. Or blackmailed . Well put that information about what happened, i guess. Alice what about the point that seems so troubling here. Believing rob porter not all the people dont believe any of the president s accusers, believe roy moore and none of his accusers, its consistent, and its not just the president , its chief of staff, female press secretary, its everybody. Thats disturbing. Its its a pattern of behavior, they automatically say the women were wrong, we dont believe the women, and they say the women were trying to smear them t rob porter said this was another smear campaign. Extremely disturbing. And in this day of age we need to let women have the opportunity to speak out. This is a bad sign on that. And i think for them to allow rob porter to give him the opportunity to leave on his own terms when he wants to go at least 24 hours, that was the wrong impression. And also me say this about hope hicks. She can date whoever she wants to. Shes free to do that. But when shes involved in a statement. You should recuse yourself 100 from drafting a character statement about someone you are romantically involved in. Go ahead, gloria. And erin, you were mentioning the president. You ran a clip of Sarah Sanders earlier saying the president has said we dont believe any of these women, period. And you know that has been the pattern here. And, so, in a way, sadly, its not surprising that the white house decided not to believe these women and not to act on it. And you are 100 right. The fbi only presents the information to the white house. And the white house decides what its going to do. And in this particular case, they havent denied clearance, but he has some kind of interim clearance. Because they were waiting and they were waiting. And what they were clearly waiting for was for this all to be swept under the rug. The problem was that somebody did a piece on it. The daily mail did a piece on it. The problem for daily mail, thats the problem. Exactly. It was publicized the daily mail did a piece and picture was eventually a part of the reporting. And then they couldnt hide it anymore or not deal with it anymore. Then they had to confront it. And they were forced to confront t and i thi. And i think that is also ha pattern. They didnt deal with general flynn until the Washington Post posted a story. 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The nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. Its the best thing that ever happened to me. Every great why needs a great how. Protecting wife abuser rob porter. This is not kelly first brush with controversy this week. Just a few weeks ago bashed immigrants too lazy to get off their asses. Then there was this. When he attacked the congresswoman frederick a gold star widows husband death. The congresswoman stood up, and in the long tra dicks diti empty barrels. This is the man who so many said the grown up in the room, the general running the trump white house. Outfront now head of President Trump hispanic counsel during the campaign. You are with me, let me start with you. The white house says retains full confidence in kelly. What do you think . I think he has to go after this. I dont know that he will go. We have to acknowledge in this kwhous the fish rock from the head. And we have seen this pattern of the president not believing women who even charged him. The