Laptops. Intelligence officials suggest that theyve stolen airport screening devices so theyve specifically lermd how to coon seal the bombs. Evan perez and barbara story broke the story. I want to begin this evening with our justice correspondent evan perez. Evan, obviously, an incredibly significant report. What are you learning . Reporter erin, cnn has learned that u. S. Intelligence and Law Enforcement agencies believe isis have come up with innovative ways to come up with dw devices to avoid detection. Terror bomb makers have come up with a way to hide explosives in the battery compartment but still have the power turn on long enough to get past skreepers. There were reports that theyve tested variants of laptop bombs using different configurations to assess how difficult it would be to detect them using tsa machines. The testers found out that the machines had a far more time detecting these new types of bombs. Barbara, is this the reason for the ban last week from some flights directlyto the United States around britain . Reporter at significant part of it. Also we know that the u. S. Intelligence community and u. S. Military intelligence has grown increasingly concerned in recent months and weeks. They have been tracking a number of these plot threats about airliners, not just from isis but al qaeda. All leading to questions about whether this ban on electronics goes far enough. The intelligence comes among heightened concerns that isis and Al Qaedaaffiliated terror groups have perfected their ability to hide bombs in Electronic Devices. Cnn has learned this new intelligence was a significant part of the decision earlier this month to ban laptops, tablets, and other Electronic Devices from the passenger cabins or planes flying directly to the United States from ten middle eastern and north african airports. Demonstrateding instead that they be stored in checked luggage. Elevated intelligence that were aware of indicates a that terrorists are aggressive in pursuing innovative methods for carrying out their attacks. Reporter officials have told cnn there was credible and specific intelligence that isis would try to attack aviation asse assets. Theres an imperative to get isolation in place around raqqah. Because our intelligence feeds tell us that there is a significant external operations attacks planning. Reporter al qaedas official in yemen, aqap has been trying to carpet airliners destined for the u. S. Hiding explosives in the batteries of electronic guys like laptops is one means. In february, 2016, a wakeup call when a laptop bomb, according to somali shorts was used to blow a hole in this somali passenger jet. The plane landed safely despite the attack claimed by al shabab. Now, the cnn report team has spoken to the cia and the fbi about this story and as of now, both agencies have declined to comment. Erin . All right. So evan, let me go back to you. The tsa in terms of this ban, right, of people not being able to bring laptops in the kakin, saying they have to go in the cargo only apply to certain countries. Given this why is this not a wider ban . Reporter layered security does a better job. The tsa yishld a statement to us saying they wont discuss the intelligence were reporting on but theyre saying that the u. S. Government continually assesses intelligence and collects new intelligence. This allows the ts arvegts to constantly evaluate Asian Security processes and policies and macon hasments. As always, all air travellers are subject to a robust Security System that employs multiple layers of security both unseen and seen. Erin . Evan, thank you very much. The explanation given when the ban was introduced, ok, was that you cant stop all travel, right . They said that that wasnt possible to do. Now, of course, we just have this partial ban with the Significant Development at this hour. Now we have Paul Cruikshank and Clarissa Ward with us tonight. Thanks to all. Mary let me start with you. The entire flight system is based on machines able to check for bombs. Tonight we find out the bombs can beat the checks. Thats right. One, we think that theyve had additional testing capabilities by using the very equipment that we purchased, the United States encouraged other countries to purchase after 9 11 to prevent bombs in the future and the plastic explosives, etc. The mo has changtd, ever since the underwear bomber in 2009, we thought perhaps they had help from inside. We went thu a lot of equipment. In the somali bombing, they thought they had inside help. T theyve made several yaefts. Now they think its possible to do it without insider help. Huge difference. Very, very troubling. If this is a game changer, why has the u. S. Only banned electronic advices on planes headed for the u. . I dont understand. You could pass it to someone, get on a connecting flight. This doesnt make sense, does it . It does make sense because one of these poms, make sure they take an airplane down, you need to put them against the skin. What causes a small explosion, causes a slipper effect, cause the plane to come apart. A lot of these airports that are this extra security are places that dont have the same screening. If you get on a plane to the United States, Homeland Security knows who they are, they can be sure youre not a suicide bomber. Nevertheless, i agree with mary, knees bombs out there, if you can put explosives in batteries and hide them and beat nitrate tests and the rest of it, this is a development thats very, very worrying. We knew these people were Getting Better all the time and frankly, it doesnt surprise me that theyve advanced technology to this point. Asian is in trouble. Aviation is in trouble and the point paul is making the point bob is making is it makes sense to put the laptop in the cargo. It would be harder to take the plane down. In terms of this development, i mean, this is pretty stunning. Now were being told, al qaeda has a master bomb maker. Now were told isis, other terrorist groups. Now theyre sharing this information, were hearing. This is of concern. There is. Let me put this into perspective. The mod ernl state of the ard machines includes taking swab tests in the airport in place in modern rp airports in jump, in the United States, in some parts of the gulf as well. They are actually very good at detecting the kind of explosive devices that al qaeda in yemen and other groups are trying to develop even when theres a concealed in laptop. The emirates, for example, are on this list. Thats can you tell us here or what . Theyve got just as motd earn machines as in the United States and europe which are very good, i repeat, very good at detecting these kind of explosive devices. One possibility is theres some concern over training protocols at the airports, theres concern about human error. Yeah. All the machines are knots systematically being used. It should catch just about anything al qaeda or isis could put together right now. Its important to stress that. But when you say words like just about, when they have the Technology One official is saying this is hair raising. You just need one to get through. When you think about the destruction that could cause. Right, i agree. It shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone. While it may be hair raising for as longs i can remember, to take down a commercial airliner has been the kind of holy grail of any of these various plethora of terrorist groups operating in and around the globe. We were focussing primarily on al qaeda in the arabian pens la and in syria. The master bomb maker, because they had been leading the charge with liquids and the underwear bomber. If you look at the resources that isis has been funneling in to all its technological operations, whether its drones, building its own planes, whether its trying to develop a self driven car, it doesnt come as a huge surprise to anyway they have been able over a course of time and perhaps working with rogue elements of other extremist groups to come up with something that could potentially threaten an airline. Mary, when we had a chance to speak with you before the segment, you said the system was blinking reds before 9 11. And this situation reminds you of that. It does. We had so many warnings prior to 9 11. A lot of them didnt come to light until years after. I spent years litigating for families of noirn. It was amazing that they were testing the system and were good. They were coming forth. It was in the federal register in 2001. We just didnt do enough. We thought we keyed do peace meal safety systems. I feel that now were doing peace meal safety and Security Systems, and that doesnt work because the terrorists are testing every piece of the system. They do it systematically and theyve been doing it, i think, since 2009. Bob, piece male . Peace meal and the people are talented and this Technology Goes back 30 years. Unfortunately they are going to make it through with one of these bombs. Thats my prediction. Thank you all very much. Very sobering developments in breaking news this evening. Next, more breaking news on President Trumps former National Security advisor and the fbi, whether theyre going to give him i am menuity. And hes talking about what he saw at the white house tonight. It could be the key in the investigation surrounding russia. And as jeanne moos, the next move is up to you. It provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. Live claritin clear. Knows how it feels to seees your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. 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We know that two white house staffers provided the documents to nunes before anybody else in the first place, something that nunes and the white house both still refuse to confirm. We are also learning that congressman schiff and President Trump met tonight in person for about 10 minutes inside the white house. Jessica snider joins me now. This is a Huge Development from congressman schiff. It is. Ranking member schiff isnt revealing the content of the documents. But he has expressed dismay that theyre the same documents seen by nunes more an a week ago. Schiff said it was represented to me that these are the same documents. The the white house has yet to explain why senior white house staff apparently shared these materials with but one member of either committee, only for their cents to be briefed back to the white house. So of course schiff is still taking issue with the fact that the white house released these materials to nunes first, saying the white house effectively laundered the information thu the committee to avoid the true source. Erin, tonight the House Committee is trying to get back on track. We know that nunes and schiff met facetoface this week. They say theyre committed to moving forward. Thank you very much, jessica. Speaking of chairman nunes, this comes as he breaks his silence back home in california. Kiuyl la joins me. Two white house staffers were his sources so far and has completely refused to acknowledge that. What did he say today . Hes trophied acknowledge, hes also been avoiding the national and d. C. Press all day. He decided to sit down and talk. He knocked down the report saying they were, quote, mostly not true. This is something ive known about for a very long time from people who were not affiliated at all with the white house or anybody there. The challenge was, was finding a place to be able to view this information, to be able to get my hands on this information. So i think whats in the stories is theres a lot of innuendo, there were a lot of people who probably knew about me being there but the fact of the matter this doesnt make the source. Now, the congressman wasnt so eager to make that assertion to cnn, to the national networks, or national newspapers. Were all waiting here at this event where he was scheduled to speak at a ticketed event. He snuck in through the back door. He left the exact same way. That did not go over so well with protesters. There were many protesters that were lining the sidewalk in front of this event. They are very angry with this investigation with their congressmans behavior. They feel he is not working for them. Heres what one of them told us. It doesnt seem like he has our interest in mind. Its unfortunate, because he works for us. He doesnt work for trump. And that seems like his First Priority lately is working for trump. We should point out that the congressman, though, is still very popular with his base. He did win his district, erin, 68 of the people voted for him. So even with the scandal, many people here still do support him. Thank you. I want to go to juliette, who served under president obama. Juliette, obviously, the big breaking news athour. Congressman schiff, the Ranking Member, went to the white house, spent ten minutes with the president and also was briefed on this classified information which he says is the same information that the chairman of the committee got more than a week ago. The Ranking Member didnt get at that time. The chairman shared it with nobody else. How damaging is this . I think its damaging for nunes only. In other words, i really appreciate what adam schiff did in the sense that i think he was played the big kid and went to the white house to see what nunes saw and i think now the next move to save the white House Intelligence Committee review is seshlgtly for paul ryan to step in and say look, there are other republicans on this committee. They are also committed to this review and investigation. No one has confidence in nunes anymore and to replace him. You see other on your show, you have other members of that committee, republicans of that committee wanting to get the investigation back in order. You just cant do it with nunes anymore. So i think that would be a smart move on paul ryans part at this stage. Jason, im trying to understand a basic thing. The white house obviously had this information, right, because now theyre giving it aboveboard to adam schiff who says its the same information nunes saw. Dont they have to explain why they decided to show it without having their fingerprints on it . He left and came back to the white house as if he had discovered it and given it to them . Dont they have to explain that . I think this is really on chairman nunes to explain whats going on. I think the white house did the right thing to invite congressman schiff to come up and review the document. Congressman schiff attacked the process. Why does this matter . If hes attacking the process, i think he saw something serious, i think theres something thats a very big deal there and as soon as these diemts are out and we have a chance to find out whats going on were seeing news reports from other news organizations that there were someone from 2 brooefs administration involved in some of this unmasking tifft. Weave seen the comments, msnbc comments from another staffer or administration that people would be concerned about this. If you look at congressman schiffs comments, for him to come out and attack the process. Interesting. I didnt see anything that would have changed normal procedures this should have gone through. For him to frame his comments like that, hes trying to throw people off the scent. Clear, juliette, before you unnascaring is if your name was picked up in routine intelligence that somehow your name got put in there. I would its an effort for back door assailants for Trump Association getting swept into this. We know, we know, we know. Go ahead, juliette. I wouldnt read too much into adam schiffs statements. I think what is important is what was happening at the white house that members of the National Security staff as well as the legal staff, which i think is really key, the president s own counsel, guy we dont hear talk about much, don again i it might be pronouncing it wrong and those offices that were involved in the sharing of this information, i have to say those are names i had never heard of. The