good evening. tonight, the breaking news. new details tonight about andreas lubitz, the co-pilot who crash the flight murdering 149 people. his doctors had declared him unfit to work quotes around that. unfit tworko work before the crash. the new york times is reporting he was being treated for depression and hid that from his employer at lufthansa. police are scouring his apartment in germany. they have collected boxes and bags. among that evidence records this indicate an ongoing medical condition as well as doctors notes excusing him from work on the day that he actually flew. cnn is covering this break story from all angles. will in germany with new details about his condition. carl penhall near the crash site with the latest on the recovery. we begin with pamela brown outfront. what have you learned about the search? we saw the bags and bags coming out. what did they find? >> reporter: that's right. investigators have been bringing out mounds of evidence. we know they found a crucial clue as you point out and andreas lubitz trash can, torn up medical notes. german german wings is saying it never received a sick note and the prosecutor is saying the theory he was trying to hide this illness whatever it was. authorities are not saying if it's a mental health issue, if it's a physical illness. the new york times and wall street journal are reporting he was being treated for depression. he was being treated by a neuropsychologist who gave him a leave of absence. we did visit a university clinic here where lubitz went a couple of times cently in february and on march 10th according to the clinic. the clinic makes it clear he was not being treated for a depression there. they would only say it was for an explanation of a diagnosis. officials are not explaining what that illness is what the diagnosis is. a lot of questions surrounding that. there's a period of time, erin, we know in 2008 where he took a break from training. lufthansa won't say why he took that break. it will say he was 100% fit to fly. >> thank you very much. pamela is gathering more information. there's disturbing questions about who knew what and when they knew it about the co-pilots mental health. the airline says he was fit to fly but no evidence suggests something different. >> reporter: the co-pilot who crashed flight into the alps killing 149 people and himself had a mental illness that he hid from his employers, can that made him unfit to fly according to reports in the new york times and wall street journal. >> we found a letter that indicated he was declared by a medical doctor unfit to work and work found slashed. >> reporter: a search turned up the slash letter. also found that recent doctors notes. the notes had been torn up and thrown away. the airline issued a statement saying a sick note for this day was not submitted to the company. just a day earlier lufthansa said they had no medical or psychological concerns. >> he was 100% set to fly without restrictions. his flight performance was perfect. >> reporter: again today, the again insisted he had a clean bill of health adding we can't confirm or deany specifics about his medical condition for reasons of confidentiality. no suicide note was found. investigators say they found nothing indicating a political or religious based motive. officials say he was treated in february and returned for his diagnosis in march just two week weeks before the crash. they did say he was not treated for depression at the hospital. he was a running seen here in marathon a couple of years ago appeared to be in good health. up until twol months ago he was regularly seen with his girlfriend including at a local pizza shop where they would go once or twice a week. about two months ago it all stopped. two months ago is about the time we believe he started receiving treatment. he got the diagnosis on march 10th. all of these pieces investigators trying to put together to figure out what happened and what triggered this horrible event that left 150 incident people at least 149 innocent people dead and one person under scrutiny. >> let me start with this news that will was just sharing. he says the pizza parlor that the co-pilot used to go with his girlfriend. it seems to coincide with some latest treatment. >> it is. it doesn't mean anything. when you add it to all the other evidence that you have then the probability, likelihood of that contributing rises. >> he was declared unfit to work according to the prosecutor. you just heard both pam and will talking about it. the clinic that's believed to have issued that letter they found in his apartment that says she should not be working, the letter that says he shouldn't be working on the day of this flight. the clinic said it was not treating him for depression. they both report he suffered from a mental illness. he could have been treated for depression somewhere else at some other time. if it wasn't depression right now, if that wasn't the reason for the letter saying he was unfit to work what might it have been? >> there's a whole range of disorders, medical conditions that would be disqualified or medications that you might be prescribed that would make you disqualified to fly. there's things beside his mental condition. there may have been some other medical condition. we can't tell from what's shared so far. >> we would have no idea. >> richard, one of the medical leave notes that we know about today that said he shouldn't have been working was for a period of time that included the day of the crash and it included that day this week. how serious would an illness have been or a mental condition have been to get a letter saying you're unfit for duty. >> did the person who wrote the note know what the job was? was it an aviation doctor or was it his general -- >> was it someone like gary kay or just another doctor. >> i suspect any doctor who says you're unfit for an office job would say you're unfit for a plane job. the difficulty with this whole sick note, this whole medical issue is i don't know what you do about it when you're talking about going to your g.p. >> your general practitioner. >> are we prepared to say an ordinary doctor for a certification, are we prepared to say that an ordinary doctor should have a duty if he knows he's a pilot to report this to his airline or to the authorities. >> when i know gary says to a pilot you cannot fly, generally speaking around the world it's up to the pilot to tell the employer. it was in this case. it was up to him. he didn't do it. shouldn't the doctor be responsible. if someone is a pilot you tell lufthansa, whoever it is? >> the standards are set by the faa. >> those medical examiners who are designated too are certified. if they make this mistake they lose their certification. that's are the punishment stops. that's pretty much where the punishment stops. now you have to imply rules in an area. >> richard is agitated. >> you got that but this is my point. my point is not that the aviation medical expert who is have a duty to report it on the thought. the university clinic the doctor around the corner the person you go to because you don't want to go to somebody who is going to report it. that's scary. >> gary you have had to deal with this. you had to do letters like this. you had to tell a pilot you're not fit to fly. that's been a really hard thing to do. we saw one of those letters ripped up in his apartment. that doesn't surprise you. >> no. very much a pilot's identity is wrapped up in their job. this is not something they're just doing from 9:00 to 5:00. you heard about this individual a passion, a lifelong passion. the training to become a pilot, his identity as a pilot. you hear he would wear his uniform out on the street in the neighborhood. when somebody learns that they're going to lose their medical certificate, it's devastating. that doesn't mean the person is going to do something horrendous as occurred here but obviously it's a major adjustment. it's enormous situation. as pointed out was the person who was evaluating him any idea when he was a pilot. >> that's a crucial question. we'll take a brief break. you do have a ser fifcertificate. it said he had a medical condition and required regular checks. . that training was interrupted several times according to reports. it was interrupted because of mental health issues. how did he become a pilot then? we'll go live to the training facility after this. new video of the daunting search and recovery effort. for the first time we'll show you the live pictures near the crash site. can a plane truly be hijacked proof? our special report. the promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather we get up to 10 billion data requests every day. 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someone would leave their training which is highly unusual according to this former lufthansa pilot trainer. some internal memos sent to german authorities that state talk about that depressive episode and goes onto say he left around the same time he stalled or stopped or suspended his training which is around 2009. he was out for about a year for treatment. those are big statements that could have a lot of meaning if those documents are the real deal. they have the documents. we have not heard from lufthansa or the prosecutors. they have not commented on any of that reporting at this point. >> it's a stunning revelation. i know you said you talked to someone who trained lufthansa pilots. what was the training like. my understanding is they said this is incredibly mentally stressful and on purpose. >> reporter: yeah. the way he described it and he trained here for a couple of years and there were a lot of students who came through. they spend anywhere from six months to a year. they have to spend at least six months to fly. it's the rule they have in place. he called it mental boot camp. that's how he phrased it saying it's tough on students but the students that show up here those who come from germany, they stay right here. we're looking at some of the dorms behind us. they are the top of the their class. really smart people who come here to learn to be pilots. it's a very good job but it is mentally lyly tough and tough on someone going through serious issues. >> thank you very much. this guy says he was 100% fit to fly. there was a doctor's note he was unfit to fly. they didn't know that. they did know he took a year off of their own training program during which time we know understand from from reporting he had a serious depressive episode. how is anybody who takes a year off and treated psychiatric issues ever become a pilot? >> because you can recover. you can't just say, they've had a psychological incident in their life and just stop. maybe the airline should have been more rigorous in terms of what it did. we have not heard about the evaluations that were made. >> we haven't. >> it may be case that's fallen between the cracks of what should happen, what did happen and what would be best practice. that's entirely possible. >> david, i'll give you we don't know at this point. we just have these basic pieces. the basic pieces are truly hard to understand. if you have to back out of pilot training for issues for a year most people would say why are you suddenly soon after that a pilot? >> that's a good point. what's not gelling in my mind pilot sercertificate plus depression doesn't equal murder of 100 people. there has to be something else. does that add up for you gary? >> no. it doesn't add up. i can hear aaron's question about how could somebody with depression actually come aboard as as a pilot. it can be treated and have a good out come. there was a lot of resistance in the u.s. to allow pilots to come back from flight status if they were taking medication. we have a policy where pilots can be taking certain anti-depressant medication but they are monitored closely. it's an excellent program. excellent results. if you don't have a program like that you have people not disclosing and not getting treated for the condition. >> they would hide it. you would rather know than be underground. when it comes to lufthansa, gary is talking about regular check ups, something there's been reports he suffered from. we don't know if that was it if there were other mental issues. we don't know the whole panopoly at this point. you're in. you're in. that's it. >> i think more has been made of this than needs to be. this idea of are you psych psychologically evaluated. the answer is no. >> we talked about the questions. are you angry, suicidal? they're not questions that -- >> once you're in and you go for your regular examination. nowhere are they sitting down and doing another full scale psychological evaluation. you rely on the person and the colleagues. you expect to glean something from a psychological profile as you go through your medical examination. >> gary do you say something awful happened here and that's terrible but it is what it is? it's going to happen rarely and there's nothing that can be done. some of this when you put it together does lead to this conclusion. how do you stop it? how do you recognize when something horrific like this will happen? >> it's an extraordinary rare event. we need to appreciate that. we don't just say that's it. this has been recognized by tony evans from ikeo. just this last year saying that when they do the periodic flight physical they shouldn't be checking his weight and blood pressure they should be having a conversation. if they have a relationship with the aviator then they can get into how are your relationships. how are you sleeping eating? that should be more of a focus. >> quickly, all this presumes one thing. it presumes someone was mentally ill and that's it and not also for lack of a better word evil or planning something like this. it presumes that's not the case which we don't know. >> we don't know. that's a very good point. we can have the sympathy and the understanding of the mental condition of somebody ill. we can discuss the wheres and why fors should they been in the cockpit cockpit. if somebody was ill. >> vilifying those that suffer from this. >> it's the distinction i'm trying to make. there may have been a very significant distinction in this case. >> exactly. >> that's why i think it's really important, it's process versus philosophy in this case that we need to really distinguish. >> we'll take a pause. should the cia be able the control a plane by remote control. it's almost a reality if you can believe that. that would mean someone from the ground could have taken the plane over. is it a good idea? investigators are going through the pieces bit by bit. bag by bag. we're getting new images which you'll see only 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>> erin boeing has a patent and google conducted a test flight. they're looking at the idea of airplanes that can be controlled from the ground. >> just enough time to shut basic down. >> reporter: watch closely. this plane over england as a crew at the controls passenger at the back but something extraordinary is about to happen. a pilot on the ground is taking over. >> ready, set, control. >> proceed. >> i have control. >> you want control? >> reporter: this is the $94 million astria project by the company bae. one of several efforts around the world to develop planes that can be flown remotely. >> what you can hear is the discussion with air traffic that's exactly the same discussion the pilots would have having if they were in charge of the steering of the aircraft. >> reporter: military success with drones has driven much of the interest and some efforts is focused on airplanes in hazardous conditions. pilot planes could be a $400 billion a year global business. why not passenger flights? first, the airline industry has remarkable safety record despite high profile disasters. many believe on board pilots remain the most reliable way to handle problems and retrofitting planes would cost billions of dollars. second passengers may not be ready. there are questions about reliability, questions about what happens if plane like this gets loose from its electronic teether and what is terrorists take over a ground station and take control of the plane. one would be having multiple ground stations controlling them. even then what if you have a hacker that takes control. all of these questions have to been answered even as the planes grow more automated. this march toward passengers planes that are automated will be very slow. >> thank you very much. robert you think this technology might work and could be effective in preventing another tragedy like the one we saw. that would mean in these 8 to 10 minutes, pilot not responding someone from the ground would have been able to take that plane over pull it up and avert the disaster? >> that's exactly right. it has descended without getting clearance from atc to do that. at that point when they weren't in contact with pilot that's the point they would say we're going stop this disescent and put it on its flight plan. the same could have been done with malaysia 370 as well. >> richard, you disagree? >> robert i have great respect for you, but i disagree in the strongest possible terms with this. you might have technology in the future and history on your side and this might be the way we are going, and i never want to see it. i want there to be a human controlling the aircraft. there are simply too many variables that would make me absolutely uncomfortable even in the near future with such a prospect. >> let me put to you the main one which tom was reporting on. right now what just happened was unimaginable for almost every human being on this planet, what just happened. because of that it happens incredibly rarely to say the least. if we were to have this system in place for all planes that would mean all planes are open to terrorists or cyber hijacking, isn't that greater risk than the planes you might save? >> i was impressed by richard's take on the depression segment and i agreed with many of the things you said. that's a big variable is the pilot. nobody knew this guy has a serious problem until after the fact. there are going to be some issues with that. we're not talking about controlling every airplane all the time. it's undoable. we're talking about having the issue to go in when there's a known issue and taking control at that point. a passenger or pilot has taken control of the airplane to intentionally crash it. it's resulted in not counting 9/11 in more than 700 fatalities. it's not a rare problem. it's a bigger problem than terrorists are. >> that's a pretty interesting point. to take robert point one point further when they were hijackings they reenforced the pilot door so you would have to have a grenade. this pilot couldn't get in to save his own plane. he's saying that is lezss of a risk. >> i don't buy it. what's happened as we have seen with the reenforced cockpit door it's created another problem. i can foresee an entire panel of problems. we're not talking about planing being controlled from the ground any time soon and i take your point on that clearly. we're looking into the future. no doubt it's coming. the driverless car is with it. >> can't stop it. >> the pilotless plane is going to arrive. i just don't want to see it. >> it already is in the form of drones. >> i don't want to be passenger in 16k when it does happen. >> i don't want to be a passenger on a regular plane that's a regular flight that's being controlled. i want to have pilots there too. agree completely. >> thanks very much to both of you. why are so many pilot against this when the cockpit is not personal space. it's a professional zone. more breaking news. a new verdicts returned in the trial of amanda knox. they waited until after midnight on italy working to come up with a verdict. she was charged with the gruesome murder of her roommate. we're live in rome tonight. google search: bodega beach house. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that. if you take multiple medications, a dry mouth can be a common side effect. that's why there's biotene. it comes in oral rinse spray or gel so there's moisturizing relief for everyone. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. tonight, investigators are sifting through evidence. they have bags boxes they have taken out in the dark in germany. they seized this from the co-pilot's apartment. they are hunting for clues about what illness led doctors to declare him unfit for work. we now know what led thoo this crash. the co-pilot locked the captain out of cockpit putting the plane into descent and crashing it into the french alps. if there were live streaming video inside the cockpit, would that change anything? bryan todd is out front with tonight's i.d.e.a. >> reporter: he locked himself alone in the cockpit as the captain pounded on the door. safety experts are calling for a bold move to avoid another disaster. cameras in the dockcockpit. >> the cameras would not be on the face. they would focus on the instruments and the manipulations that are made. >> reporter: former ntsb chairman says it would be a deterrent to bad behavior. what could cameras trained on the control panel detect? >> you can see the instruments. you can see what they're seeing. you can see what they're doing with their hands. >> reporter: it wouldn't give investigators much help. they already know how that plane went down. cameras on the faces could see certain things. >> were the pilot choking. >> reporter: no airlines have bought their cameras. they are already used to monitor key missions like today's launch to the international space station. they are used to watch some train operators, taxi drivers and bus drivers including this one caught looking at his phone and then crashing. cockpit video could be live streamed back to controllers in realtime. >> if we had cameras in the cockpit on 9/11 we would have been able to see how the hijackers took over the cockpit. how they killed the pilots. how they tried to manipulate the controls. >> reporter: the top pilot's union in america is against the idea. they say cockpit video is subject to misder preation and lead investigators away from accurate conclusions. pilots union officials are worried about a video leaking. they say voice data clips have been made public in past cases and no pilot wants their final moments to be posted all over the internet. i don't want my spouse children and grand children and a million strangers to be able to watch me die. >> that's a fair point. thank you. next, the final verdict on amanda knox. this is the final, the highest court in italy working to well after midnight. she was charged with the murder of her roommate. what did they decide? 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>> reporter: there's a lot of shock here. i think people felt amanda knox along with rudie gaday, 16 years for his part in the murder serving half of the 16 year sentence i think they felt the three acted together in this murder. just the press really followed it here in italy, signs seemed to point to that and people are surprised for the outcome, absolutely. >> barbie nujo reporting live from rome about 1:00 in the morning. they waited through the night, through the afternoon for this relief. amanda knox has released a statement moments ago and it says in part i am tremendously relieved and grateful for the decision, the knowledge of innocence given me strength in the darkest of times. ted knox is a lawyer and joins me on the phone tonight. i know you spoke to amanda moments after the verdict. hours going by. no verdict. they're not guilty. you spoke to her. what did she say? >> thank you for having me. extraordinary legal crew. carlo and louisiana who argued success with the appeal today. for amanda it was an emotionally filled transendent joy. heartfelt kpubexration. >> transendent joy. >> possibly 30 more years in jail, exfra digs fight. that's what she was looking last, the past 8 of years of her life dealing with this. >> let's look at the past. it has been a trying and grueling almost eight year nightmarish marathon that really no child or parent should have ever had to endure but the family have demonstrated questioned unparallel patience and steadfast courage. resilience and fortitude and most of all, they rely upon their faith on this conviction to stand. we've been appreciative and grateful to the supreme court, that cast the decision to exonerate amanda and rafael. this decision announces once again and with finality to the world that amanda knox was previously wrongfully convicted, rightly acquitted, and that she was not absolutely not responsible for the tragic loss of meredith kercher. but let us not forget that meredith was amanda's friend and i know amanda and the family wishes you and everyone to remember meredith to keep and continue to keep the kercher family in your prayers. >> all right. well you know ted, thank you very much and everyone is going to be watching her. i know she's engaged to be married and hoping that she can move on with her life. as you heard ted simon say, spoke to amanda simon after the verdict and the description said of her voice and what she felt was transcendent joy. we'll brab what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. major: here's our new trainer ensure active heart health. heart: i maximize good stuff like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol. new ensure active heart health supports your heart and body so you stay active and strong. ensure, take life in. ♪ edith piaf "no regrets" ♪ plays throughout ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i already feel like we're the most connected but i think this solo date will seal the deal. sure! i offer multi-car, safe driver, and so many other discounts that people think i'm a big deal. and boy, are they right. ladies, i can share hundreds in savings with all of you! just visit progressive.com today. but right now, it's choosing time. ooh! we have a winner. all: what? 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