Transcripts For CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront 20140408 : compar

Transcripts For CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront 20140408

Desperate. The underwater search has been continuing around the clock. So far, though, nothing. Today, australias ocean shield, the ship that heard pings over the weekend is at the northern end of the defined search area. And at the south, the chinese ship haixun 01 which also believes it heard pings over the weekend, which by definition would be unrelated because theyre hundreds of miles apart. The british ship hms echo is joining the search. Its been two days since searchers on the ocean shield believe began at the north came from the planes black boxes. They have not been able to reacquire the pings. They have heard nothing, and they have found nothing. And time is fading fast. Were on day 33 now of the search. Black boxes would have to be incredibly resilient to be working at a very audible level at this point. Weve seen the search area shift, expand so many times. Look at this map. Just look at this map. Now, you might say its a miracle given that it could have been within thousand many, many thousands of miles where this plane could have been, that this is all relative to that narrow. But this is of course thousands of miles of shifting. Will the search area move again . Matthew chance is in perth tonight. Matthew, whats the very latest as youre there . Theyre getting ready to go out and search. And i know the planes are leaving from the base behind where you are now. Yeah, theyre going to start leaving within the next few minutes apparently, erin. The very latest is weve had a Media Release from the australianled search effort, which is a multinational effort, of course. And they have given us a few details. Theyre saying that excuse me, the search area has been narrowed just slightly over the course of the past 24 hours by a thousand square miles. Its now down to 29,000 square miles, which of course is still a vast area. Weve been told that the focus of the efforts at the moment under the surface of the indian ocean are those two areas that you mentioned where the ocean shield, the australian vessel is using equipment borrowed from the u. S. Navy to try and recapture the pings that they recorded a few days ago. Also in the south of that area, the chinese vessels there accompanied by the hms echo, a british warship, which is designed to map the ocean floor as well, trying to find what is happening there as well. Neither site has turned up anything for the past several days. And thats of particular concern. Because as you mentioned, time is rung out. The battery life on those pingers is the shelf life is come where around 30 days. Its been 33 days now. So the australians who are leading this mission, very aware that this window of opportunity to locate the pingers is closing. It may have already closed. But what they say at the moment is that theyre doing everything they can. Theyre throwing all their assets at this window of opportunity to try and take any opportunity there is out there to find these pingers. When it closes, if it closes, its going to take much, much longer to locate this plane. All right. Thank you very much, Matthew Chance reporting live from perth. And i want to emphasize matthews point. One of the big concerns here is that if a black box were dying, it doesnt die like a light switch. It doesnt turn off. It dies more like a flashlight. It gets lighter and lighter and lighter. The sounds get softer and softer and softer. So it would be rather remarkable that the last 13 minutes of the very softest sound was the 13 minutes heard by the ocean shield. A big question were going to be talking about later with the manufacturer of that ping other then program tonight. Joining me on the phone is kevin mcelroy. He is with the Royal New Zealand air force. Good to have you with us, commander. Appreciate you taking the time. The air search obviously just getting under way in perth where Matthew Chance is reporting. Water search, though, nonstop around the clock. Have they found anything . Yes, good evening, erin. Weve got an aircraft available, getting airborne at the time. It will be transiting out to an area around 1200 nautical miles. And it will remain in the search around for around about three hours. Yesterday flights didnt find anything significant in terms of debris. So were hopeful again today. But its just another day, as you said, day 33 of another big effort. And let me ask you, sir. Im just curious. This have been some reports about the pings and where theyre looking. Obviously, when you look at where the ships are positioned, one at the northern end where the australians heard the ping and one at the southern end where the chinese heard the ping, obviously those are thousand miles apart. Have they given up on the chinesereported pings . I think that the most recent ping through the australian vessel, the ocean shield is where the main focus is going on. In terms of the air search, were looking in a slightly different area, because were looking for debris on the surface. So the surface vessel search and the air search will probably be in slightly different areas. When you say slightly different, are you is that sort of where you would have expected there to be drift from where that pinger is located, or are you actually looking in a different area that would imply if the plane went down, it went down somewhere not related to where that ping is . The surface vessels that are searching in terms of the black box and the pings will be looking in a distinct area. Right. The area were focusing on today is based on ocean modeling and drift markers, we dropped those several days ago. And its actually showing that the currents in the area are not moving as much as we thought. So the separation of those two areas is not unusual. Right. I understood your point. My colleague Richard Quest wanted to ask a question, commander. Commander, richard here. Help me if you can. Why do you think, what is the prevailing thinking within the military on why no debris has been found so far . Because ultimately, it really does come down to one of two things, doesnt it . Either youre in the wrong area or its not there and its all gone down. What is the thinking . Our job in terms of the military coordination is not look in terms of the investigation itself. Well leave that up to the investigation authorities. In terms of the search area that is being coordinated, were looking in the area of most likely based on the evidence we have available to us for that search area. And likewise for the surface vessels and the submarine in the area that are looking for the ping. So its credible evidence based on a combination of ocean modeling, drift, and all of the information that we have available to us. Were looking at about 20 original 20 search areas over the past several weeks, commander. Are you feeling less optimistic . Yesterday i was talking to the u. S. Navy, and they said on the show, look, we havent reacquired the signal. This is the most Promising Development we had, this possible ping. But they were losing optimism. Are you . Well, i think that earlier on, one of the australian authorities, the vice chief of Defense Force noted that it was like looking for a needle in a haystack, but at that stage we didnt even know which haystack. I think weve got a much clearer picture around the areas we need to concentrate on. And those will be the areas that will be associated with both the search on the surface and the debris search by aircraft today. All right. Thank you very much, commander. We appreciate your taking the time. Commander mcevoy. And Richard Quest, as you just saw is with me. Here is the question. As you just raised the point, there has been no evidence at all. Obviously, there is all kinds of satellite, but there has been no physical evidence. This plane may not be there. The only evidence are the pings. The satellite data is, you know, corroborative if you like. Thats circumstantial evidence, i beg your pardon. You have the satellite data which is circumstantial. And now youve got the pings which is corroborative, but they cant get it again. Right. Now just bring up that map again of the search. The 20 some odd. I tried to count them quickly, yes. And you start to see the enormous nature. They started right down in the south at the beginning. And that was based on the satellite data. But its this constant refining of that data that brings it up to the top area. And you have to say this is a miracle of science that theyve got this far. But you also have to say they are in this now for plan b, c, and d. And a miracle of science, of course, if its there, which i know everything at this point thats what theyre saying, but we have no evidence. So richard, thank you very much. Richard is going to be with me later on because were going to be talking to the man who made that black box. And talk about this question, again, its not like a light switch. So you heard it and then you didnt hear it. Thats a big problem, possibly. Plus, the partner of american flight 370. Why she doesnt believe what investigators are saying. And still the fact that there is no debris. What does that say about what happened to the plane . [ male announcer ] at his current pace, bob will retire when hes 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. But hes not. Hes an architect with two kids and a mortgage. Luckily, he found someone who gave him a fresh perspective on his portfolio. And with some planning and effort, hopefully bob can retire at a more appropriate age. Its not rocket science. 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Family and friends of those on board are still waiting for an answer on what happened to their loved ones. That includes sarah. Our viewers nosair rachlt her partner philip wood was a partner on 370 coming home. Sarah joins me now from beijing. Sarah, obviously, there has been these reports that they picked up pings. They have been unable to reconfirm or verify the pings they picked up this weekend. Do you think this could be the plane . It could be. I mean, we still dont know anything that we didnt know a month ago. But i think the general perception amongst the families is that the timing of these pings is awfully coincidental with the batteries wearing out. So all of us pretty well agree until there is the bulk of the plane and the bulk of the bodies discovered and a black box intact, we wont believe that its final evidence. And youve been talking to a lot of the families, i know, and taking a leadership role in terms of organizing them, because you dont feel youve been given honestly, a full and honest answer, right, about what they know . Yeah, absolutely. So there is a group of malaysian families who have been organizing themselves very effectively. And they have invited me and one of the gentleman who is organizing the chinese families to cooperate as well. We kind of have three independent efforts, but were all coordinating together. And the focus will be on asking these questions that were just not getting answer for. Sarah, you and have i spoken a few times. And last week you said you believed the plane was still intact. That was the specific word you used which obviously could mean a lot of things. What leads you to believe that, and do you still believe that . I still believe it because there isnt any evidence to the contrary. And actually, most of the circumstantial evidence i believe points towards an abduction of this plane. I dont know why and i dont know by who, but im convinced that that plane was taken by somebody. And when we talk about that scenario, i mean, as of now, as you know, investigators, at least what they have told us and what they have told the families, they havent been able to clear the captain, the copilot or the flight crew. They have cleared all the passengers from any kind of suspicion. Do you think that when you talk about the plane being abducted and taken, that someone on board, a pilot, crewmember was responsible . I dont think the authorities have given us much confidence in their investigative skills so far. So i wouldnt consider all the passengers cleared, first of all, and i dont necessarily think that anybody from the crew was involved. They could be. We just dont know. It could be that every Single Person on that plane is an innocent victim in this, and it was a military action of some country instead. We honestly just dont know anything. Thats a fair point. And sarah, youve been talking about sort of your, you know, your nightmares at night about what might have happened to philip, the questions you have. How you dealing with the possibility that this plane may not be found, that there may not be an answer . Well, thats the scariest option of all, because i think if youre sure someone has died, you can grieve properly and you can move on. But im not willing to move on. I want to fight to find him in whatever form that ends up being. And i think most of the families feel the same way. So we really need to push to resolution from an Emotional Health perspective. But beyond that, as a world, we have to push for resolution. I mean, this is a really scary thing that happened. A plane, a giant plane filled with people was just taken. That could happen again if its happened once. And you talk about emotionally the need to know. Youve been writing notes to philip on your facebook page. I know, you were kind enough to let us share one of them with our viewers last week. You wrote another one yesterday saying the week in kl, kuala lumpur was so hard. People are giving up. Please help mecon vince them we must continue to keep trying to find you. Just a small sign . I love you. How do you remain so hopeful . Its incredible. I think love provides a lot of strength to do things that we might not be able to do otherwise. And for two and a half years, philip and i have had constant communication. Not just daily, sometimes hourly. I know that sounds a little weird. But its part of our relationship. And i feel an ongoing need to communicate with him. And i keep hoping that even though they cant communicate with us, somehow, maybe theyre allowed to see media of some sort and that those messages can provide some comfort to philip and to the other families as well. And so thats part of the reason why you choose to even to talk to me and to talk to us, in the hope that maybe, maybe it might provide solace to him. Yes. It might provide solace to him, and it might urge some bystander who has been keeping their mouth quiet to come forward with something. I think this will be solved through human intelligence and intervention of good people. Sarah, thank you again for talking. I really appreciate it. Sarah bajc, as all of you know, her partner philip wood was on that plane. Well, next, if the wreckage is found, what will it tell us . How every piece of debris would provide a crucial clue to what happened to those questions that sarah has. And Oscar Pistorius took the stand in the trial for his girlfriends murder. 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Breaking News Coverage for the search for Malaysia Airlines flight 370. Planes are taking to the skies, searching for any sign of the missing plane by air and of course by sea where they are using the pinger locators which have failed to reacquire ping transmissions first heard over the weekend. Meanwhile, questioning family and friends of the crew and pilots havent led to any breakthroughs in terms of whether a human was responsible, and if so, why. It might be debris that ends up holding the answers to who or what took this plane so off course. Stephanie elam is out front from the u. S. Aviation accident lab. When you look at how a plane wreckage, the condition its in, it gives you clues about what may have happened. In fact, stephanie, in this case, the primary energy of this wreckage was absorbed by the by the right front cockpit. But its important to know this aircraft was traveling very slowly in comparison to a regular crews flight. This was only going about 100 knots, 110 knots. This aircraft is a 10,000 pound aircraft. It has two jet engines just like the malaysian aircraft. But in fact its 10,000 pounds versus the

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