0 lively conversation. i'm glad we had it. but while we might agree there is dysfunction in washington, we fundamentally will disagree on obamacare and the role it should play. >> the debate continues online. >> join us tomorrow for another edition of crossfire. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next, outrage as washington is about to fail the american people again. why the gop is on fire and firing away. plus why is syria moving its chemical weapons again in direct defiance of the united states? and the same company that vetted the man responsible for the navy yard massacre also vetted another infamous figure. an investigation, what is usis? it matters big time. let's go "outfront". and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett,. tonight the united states in crisis. 11 days up the government shuts down. so what does it mean for america? >> very serious consequences for the financial markets and for the economy. >> apocalypse every three months. >> bleeding over into the consumer sector. >> going to do great harm for the american people. >> hundreds of thousands of federal workers will be september home withosent home without pay. >> this is among the most fiscally reckless things you can do. >> democrat, republican, market expert, man in charge of the american economy. washington is failing again. and this time some republicans say they have a plan to keep funding the government. but only if they take funding for obamacare out of it. as we'ved is before, that is a nonstarter. and whether you love or loath obamacare, that is not the point. it's a guarantee of a shutdown. and while there is plenty of waste and abuse in washington, the truth is a shutdown does nothing about that. out front tonight, tom cole. great to see you. let's start with this. in your party, sir, some are taking a stand on principle that they think obamacare is bad for america and they will stop funding it as part of this deal. obviously that will not pass the senate. it will shut down the government. is it worth it? >> first of all, i don't think we will have a government shutdown. that's certainly not our intention. actually the bill makes sure funding continues. there is a defunding provision for oig care oig in the bill. that reflects what the majority thinks in the house. we'll send it to the senate. they have plenty of time to act. a number of our colleagues on the republican side have made the point that they think they can get it done, they would like to have the opportunity, they have some unusual tools in the filibuster and they also have democrats that they may not want to defund it, but it they might want to delay it if only for political purposes. but i expect the senate will send something back and the house will respond to that. but i would be very surprised if we get to a government shutdown. that's not our aim. >> so you think it is a serious proposition, though, to take the funding away for obamacare? the only reason i ask, as we all know, this is the president's signature policy chief thachiev. i know a lot of people hate it. i'm just saying it's passed the supreme court. it is the law of the land. and using a shutdown to try to defund it seems a little bit ridiculous to a lot of people. >> remember, we've changed the law seven times already and saved about $62 million. i think we'll continue to chip away at it where we can. but this was a unique opportunity. again, all the senate has to do is act. they don't have to do what we say. but you can't expect the house to simply follow whatever the senate dictates. so this reflects the house's majority. the senate can operate and act and frankly those senators that wanted this in their court have it in their court. we'll see whether or not they can handle it. and what they can do with it. at the end of the day if they'll send us back something, we'll react to that. the speaker made it clear last thing we want to do is shut down the government. this bill does not shut down the government. it would take nonaction by the united states senate. and let me say i expect them to act, not sit on their thumbs so to speak. >> the speaker also said, though, of course back in march that he thought using obamacare was holding the government hostage and a recipe for a shutdown and he thought it was irresponsible to do this. now obviously he's going ahead with it. but this isn't -- his heart doesn't seem to be in it. >> will isn't our final move in this match. we're waiting now assuming we pass the bill tomorrow on the senate to act. when it acts, we'll respond. so just because we put something in there doesn't mean the senate has to respond. we hope they will. some of our senators over there have asked us to do that. we said okay. and we'll put you in the game and see how you do. and then at some point, the senate will send us back a product and i expect the house to pick that up and try to move swiftly. but again, we agree, we don't think the government ought to are shutdown. i don't think it's an effective tactic. and i think the political consequences of it are fairly bad for the people that actually do it. >> i totally believe what you say and i know a lot of you have your heart exactly where your mouth is. but the truth of it is to the american people, it's, okay, now we have a deadline. we have to relitigate things that have already been litigated. in this case it's obamacare. everybody says they don't want to shut the government down, but yet they might pass something that will defund obamacare. a democratic senate won't pass it. so you're saying you don't want to do it, but you're willing to do it. >> let's wait and see what the senate does. all the senate has to do is act on the legislation. they will receive it in plenty of time. they can send it back with or without the defunding provision in it and then we have to respond. but the idea that somehow severally becau simply because we sent it over there means they wiacquiesce. we hope they will. but let's give them the opportunity and see what they do. at the end of the day, we'll deal with what they send us. i think we're at the beginning of about a 75 day negotiation where we try to deal with the end of the fiscal year, debt ceiling and deficit. so this is a first move in a much larger negotiation. >> you just ruined my dap day, killed my heart and broke my heart. 75 day as. congressman cole, thank you. >> i'm so sorry. >> everybody watching you making a lot of tears flow. thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> you bet. our second story "outfront," 75 days of hell. no, actually, it's this. who pay as political price for the shutdown. john king is here. this is tom cole, fourth ranking republican in the house. the guy who just said this summer that shutting down the government to get your way over an unrelated piece of legislation, ie obamacare, is the political equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum and now it sounds like he's totally in line. what the heck happened? >> you'll be able to tell your children and grandchildren you once lived in a parallel universe. the house republicans have now taken a complete about face to be loyal to their speaker. you're right about what congressman cole said this consumer. pete king, the republican, said just yesterday it would be a kamikaze mission. today he says let do it. the speaker has decided because he accepted it to the senate. the senate most likely will accepted it back and then the challenge begins. if the senate leaves that money in there, then the house will act again and i'm told when they act again, they will try again on health care. will they try to cut part of it, try to just delay it a year. we'll go through this dance for at least a week or so on the shutdown and then as the congressman rightly noted, on the debt ceiling. >> i believe no one wants to shut the government down, but they're like as long as i get my own way. of course we all know that's not how things work. so i find it deeply frustrating. but what about john boehner? because you look at the public and you look at the polls. and they play the gop for this loud and spanking clear. right? john boehner was totally against this obama care move. and yet now he's doing it. does he have control over the party? >> he is at risk of losing control over his caucus. which is why he's doing this to try to keep control. what he's doing to them is saying here is your carrot, i'll give you the vote even though i think it's a bad idea. i'm on the record as saying it's a bad idea. let's do it. we'll accepted it over to the senate. the challenge for his leadership is when it comes back. how do you avoid a government shutdown. what else do you try to give the tea party conservatives. and let's be honest. republicans are heading into a midterm election cycle where john boehner thinks they can pick up some seats in the house. over on the senate side, republicans have a chance to be the majority in the senate. so republican strategists say what we're doing angers independents, convinces people we're in the a serious governing party and it will hurt us next year. why would we do this? but that vocal minority pushing it, most of them go home to 60%, 65% republican districts. republican lost them. they are not at risk. and they're not looking at the big picture. and many of them promise this had to the voters. so i'm not criticizing them per se, but they're not looking at it from a governing perspective. >> no, from a perspective their small electorate. but it is frustrating. >> 75 days of parallel universe. >> oh, 75 days. all right. still to come, developing tonight, syria moving its chemical weapons in defiance of the united states. where and why? breaking news tonight. plus a strange twist in that story of the 14-year-old girl kidnapped from her home. her rescue captured the nation's attention. officials frantically searching for the child and they arrested two men. but the mother of that girl could be in trouble tonight. plus the home of former nfl player trashed by 300 kids. and he is not going to let them get away with it. a report on what he's doing now. and we'll take you to a place where floods have killed 80 and the water is rising tonight. 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