i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, showdown ant camp david. the world's heavyweights are in the ring. the g-8 leaders arriving today. president obama having them all at guests as camp david. a fancy din play a bunch of games and hang out, and literally, that's what it's like. but it's also going to be a little bit like, like a boxing fight. like the fight where tyson took off the ear of evander holyfield. they're going to take it all off and fight. [ bell rings ] >> reporter: francois hollande the challenger, wants to borrow a boat load of money and say sayonara to the money cuts. and telling angela merkel her austere ways of over. the ref, the guy with the smile hoping not to get hit with body blows or parts is barack obama. a big decision to make. side with more cuts or risk his presidency say heg wants to borrow more money now to save the economy? all smiles aside, this choice may decide whether america remains the world's biggest and best. one person fighting since day one for spending, paul krugman. critical of the president's stimulus plan, at the time help said it was too small. the nobel prize winning economist says the only way to win now is spend a lot more. he joins me now. a pleasure to see you, sir. how much more do we need to spend? >> well, at the moment i'm calling for about $300 billion a year. for basically until the economy is back on its feet. so it's a -- it's a significant amount of money. i mean, the main point is we've been doing the reverse, instead of spending more. the stimulus, never much of a deal, long since gone. happening now, anti-stimulus. cutting back at the state and a major drag on the economy. extreme austerity it's not working. we're still stuck in a depression, as i say in the title of my book. >> yes. let's get in the rain, then. a lot of people watching who agree and a lot who want to wring your neck saying we have a debt problem. right? the fiscal cliff. the number, 15.7 trillion in debt for this country. the congressional budget office interest payments alone exceed medicaid spending by 2018, spend $1.2 trillion more a year now than we bring in. how much debt is the too much? you're going to borrow more. right? >> two things to say. one is all of those numbers are enormous because america's enormous. we're an, a $15 trillion a year economy. debt, i don't like the level of debt. i was actually a big opponent of those too big, unfunded bush tax cuts and those too big unfunded bush wars, and if we hadn't done those things we'd have come into this with a lot less debt and be a little easier about doing what needs to be done now. the fact is, advantaged countries with their own currencies able to borrow on their own currencies are able to carry debt for a long time. this is not an urgent crisis. i'll become a fiscal hawk, but not now. the other thing to say, right now trying to bring that budget deficit down doesn't even work. doesn't work in purely fiscal terms. it shrinks the economy, damages our long-run growth, when workers are unemployed they eventually drop out of the labor force and don't come back. students never get their careers started out of college and those are our future taxpayers you're undermyroning. so this is not the time. >> i'm interested in, on the bush tax cuts and the wars, certainly they are the two biggest components of the deficit, but they're done. right? it's in the rearview mirror. ken rogoff, you know him well, has written extensively of countries getting out of december crises, said once your debt is 90% of the economy, growth is choked often. we're at 101% and growing every day. >> i disagree very strongly with his conclusion. i think he's got the causation backwards. if you look at it most of the cases that he points to, which are high debt and low growth, is actually the low growth that led to the high debt. japan is deeply in debt and it's a slow growing economy. what happened first in japan was their growth collapse bawd they didn't do an adequate job of stimulating their economy after the big bubble ended in the early 1990s and the debt followed from that. it's the collapse of their economy and their economic growth that led to the debt problem. >> one final thing i wanted to ask in terms of how to pay for it. you're talking borrowing now, once we get growth, paying it off. the "new york times" magazine, great article. talking about a whole issue of raising taxes saying you could tax millionaires at 100%, didn't have anything left in the next year and wouldn't get as much money as if you raised taxes by just 8% on people who make between $150,000 and $200,000 year. bill clinton said something i wanted to play it and get your reaction. >> you could tax me at 100% and you wouldn't balance the budget. we are all going to have to contribute to this, and if middle-class people's wages were growing up again and we had some growth in the economy, i don't think they would object to going back to the tax rates that were obtained when i was president. >> professor, do you think we need to get rid of all the bush tax cuts? have them go up on everybody? not now, but that's where we need to go? >> or something like that. in the end they were based on false premise. which was, we had plenty of money. we didn't. we need higher faxes on the rich because it's not going to solve the problem but can make a major contribution. in the end, middle-class people will probably have to pay somewhat more. i probably wouldn't do it just by rolling back the bush tax cuts. i'd do it in other ways but better than nothing. in the end we have a long-run budget problem. nopt as big as the current deficit, largely because the economy's in the tank, but a long-run budget problem which has to be solved through a combination of higher revenue, better cost controls in medicare. a bunch of things we need do. no one, single bullet there, but we could end this depression right now without having to solve that longer run problem. >> all right. thank you very much, professor. appreciate it. everyone let us know what you think. did he make the case? 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>> 1.1 the bounced check. that brings us -- >> brings us to tonight's number. $225 million. what the heck is that? who screwed me on that? >> the grand total. break it down. $150 million is the price tag on the amount that the rickets family are asking chicago and illinois taxpayer to pitch in for renovation of wrigley field. $75 million is the amount curt schilling's company has on the hook for the taxpayers of rhode island. what they have to relocate to the state. bouncing a $1.1 million check, that's $75 million guarantee doesn't look too good. two states deep under water with budget deficits. >> and two people shown to be a little hypocritical tonight. by avlon. and when enemies become newt gingrich is at a fund-raiser for his friend. says, i hate your guts, when you become the nominee, come behind you and campaign for you. in this case, gingrich was rather obsessive and viral criticism about bain capital. >> he's been around saying his 25 years in business are a major part why he should be president. fine. look at his 25 years in business. what was his approach? it is a question of judgment, of values and of character. and we know of one case for sure where they put in $30 million. they took out $180 million, six times as much, and the company went broke. >> so this week the obama campaign is copying newt gingrich hitting hard at romney and bain. and hogan, good to have you -- nice tie, hogan. >> thank you very much. >> i like that tie. that takes courage and look goods on you. let me start with, james. newt's back track and his bain attack saying they won't work pap that dog don't hunt, dough try it, barack. give it up. maybe barack should give it up? >> because newt gingrich told him to give it up? i don't think it qualifies as good political advice. and romney is the one that put it at issue claiming he created all the jobs. he just claimed he just made a lot of money but quite different. if you're going to talk about the jobs you created, why complain to somebody that's going to talk about the jobs you destroyed, too? that's part of the deal. and newt gingrich made his point and i think obama will make the same one. >> will newt's support of romney help him? is it going to ring hallow? we played one attack. there are many. i remember being in south carolina. a nasty couple of days between those two. >> well, voters pretty much have short memories as it relates to things like this. don't forget, tim pawlenty gave a best attack on mitt romney maria and a couple days out of the race, all over the country talking how great romney will be as the next president. that's part of politics. you and i both know barack obama and hillary clinton had one of the most difficult, harsh campaigns in a long time and they kissed and made up since then. that's the way it works in politics, and we unite behind the republican ticket, because we know we think he's better than the president. so that's the bottom line and that's where it will continue to go throughout the summer and on into the fall. >> all right, hogan. so you've given a statesmanly jefferson-like response. let me play what you said about mitt romney in march. >> he wants us out so he can stop talking conservatism and go back to showing who he was as governor, being pro-abortion and pro-choice and being against the nra. things he's uncomfortable talking about as you've seen on the campaign trail. he stumbling through those parts of his speech but want to go back to talking the moderate conversation because that's who he is at his core. >> but you like him? >> it's not about liking him, it's about trying to beat the president. mitt romney has run for president two times now. got to know him pretty well the first time around and this is what we do. we fight and scrap and claw and try to become the nominee. once he's chosen with unite and trite to push forward. disagreements in the primary. that makes the party stronger, the primary process stronger but unite behind the nominee because we know our nominee is better than the president. and on mitt romney's worst day he's still ten times better than barack obama. >> james carville, people do forget, but if they forget what every says, then don't they look at the ads running and ignore them, too, all of these negative ads? why even worry about those? >> well, a lot of people do, but look, this thing will be a close race. going to be one on the margins and some of these attacks when are repeated can have effect and their campaign will have effect. it's very close. it's interesting to see how it's going to wash out. >> james, last week you said that democrats who are counting on the president winning needed a wake-up call. it wasn't going to than close. just in the past few days you've been vindicated. mitt romney is raising money's in key areas, swing states, been looking he is leading the president, you no e, fairly solidly. so did the democrats get it now? get the challenge that they're up against? >> well, i think people do. my point is that incumbents all over the world, this is not a very good time to be an incumbent. look, in the end, it's going to about close election. the president will prevail. i don't any romney's that good a of candidate, he's shown it time and time again, but we can't take anything for granted. what i was hearing a couple, three weeks ago, people took it for granted the president would be re-elected. nothing i've seen they can take for granted at all. >> how is mitt romney supposed to fight back against the bain ads? as part of what he did in private equity, people did lose jobs and inship places gained them, some places lost. there's a truth there and can be portrayed to be a very ugly one. >> oh, it can be. no doubt about that. look, for every sad story where bain failed, there are ten stories where bain succeeded, and right now the american people pretty much understand by all polling, it indicates that he trust mitt romney more on the economy than barack obama. the promises the president made, he can't run against george bush now, he's got to run against his own record. he promised to cut the debt in half. highest in the country. grew it more rapidly than any president in history and he's got to settle with that. the american people at this time are just starting to pay attention and see who mitt romney is, and that's why they put out that new ad recently trying to frame him that way to make changes, can be different than the president a these things will go on quite some time. that's the way it works from now on. >> james carville, hogan have a wonderful weekend, both of you. still "outfront," a millionaire just sentenced to prison for dui manse slot-of-manslaughter at home instead of a prison cell. and whan did george zimmerman when he killed trayvon martin? 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's in florida, this is not unusual. you can get bail post-conviction if it's not a capital crime and can appeal the case. the defense attorney says one of the jurors did a test. we talked about it once. >> what it was like to be drunk. >> a good faith basis. i will say this. in every state i know of in the united states, you don't get released when sentenced to 16 years in prison after the conviction, but this is florida. >> however long the appeal goes, this time will count towards his prison time if he ever has to go to prison but could add up to $100,000 to $1 million to pay for the security. ever a civil trial, he has to pay money, that's money he doesn't have. >> we could look at it that way. on the other hand, confined to your mansion with a swimming pool, not too bad. most people are sitting in a jail cell while they're appeal is pending for many, many years. >> he won't have much money left for a civil case. right jt theoretically, would that affect -- what they choose to do? >> the interesting thing about the civil case. court papers were filed indicating he's already settled the civil xas for $41 million and he says he's broke, and that his brother and sister put up the money, the $7 million for the bail, because he is bail. there are reports insurance companies may have funded the settlement. i don't really know what the truth is here and don't think he's going to be losing money. remember -- well, this is the guy who adopted his girlfriend. >> right. she's going to inherit millions of dollar, possibly. >> maybe he gets the money back. >> wow. a bizarre story. also tragic in a lot of ways. thanks to paul cowlen. and facebook's ipo. remember how excited we? 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no good news there. fourth story -- well a stock that picked a bad week nib go public. facebook. face plant. watching the debut. all excited about it. it's a company americans are justifiably incredibly proud of. came from this country. when the stock started trading it opened at $42.05 a share. now, that's actually pretty good. you may remember last night it was priced at $38. it got that little $4.05 pop at the open. everyone thought that would be the beginning. problem is, it didn't get much higher. the end of the day shares closed at $38.08. 8 cents above where it was priced. you heard people on the show and if you follow the story you know the vast majority of people, experts on this, thought the stock would climb much higher. some said it could open as high as $50 a share and would close at $60 or $70. it didn't move. what happened? wilsey asset agency joins you. priced the stock exactly right for demand except you usually leave a little on the table so the little guy can feel they made a little money? >> that's correct, erin. what actually happened here coming out $38 a share is good for the company offering at that price, but investors don't feel great about it because -- another problem, too, that 30-minute delay. 11:00 our time and didn't come out until a half hour later. when it came out at $38.42, started falling down. people said, it's not supposed to do that and you lost the momentum on the stock. >> another thing that a lot of people may not realize is that, i mean, it theoretically and most people say would have gone bethat offering price, would have been the first of major ipos to ever do that on its first day. if it weren't for the underwriters, jpmorgan, morgan stanley coming in and buying, buying, to try to hold that price? >> and exactly correct. i was receiptreading the same thing. they didn't want to fall below $38. they did that today. what about monday? tuesday? they won't be there forever. a nice decline, 20 more, underwriters can't keep putting money in to keep the stock up. that's a problem. >> how did this happen? >> i think what happened is that -- a lot of people knew. 70% of professionals said, don't buy the stock. maybe, just maybe, investors are starting to get, yes, we know facebook, we know the company. maybe it's not a good investment. one thing i try to do for people,ut it in perspective. look at the same fundamentals, the same valuations, you'd put those, from facebook, on apple. trading at $3,300 a share. i wouldn't buy apple at that. maybe thought $38 a share was too expensive for facebook. >> what would you do now? say you're somebody who hasn't fwhaut yet. what do you do? if you're already in, could go down further, you're in. you're in. what about somebody thinking about buying? >> i wouldn't buy the stock. i said before, i'm saying for six months don't buy facebook. a great thing for social media but not real business. they don't manufacture anything. problems on the advertising. there are problems with this company, again, i use facebook. a think you probably use facebook. we all use it but it doesn't mean the company can make enough money to make that stock price of $38 or even $35 a share worth it. you've got to look at, is thas good investment? not now. maybe in the future. right now stay away from the stock. too expensive. >> thanks so much. good to see you. it's been a while. good to have friends on. i want to clarify, the stock settled its close at $38.23 a share. all right, "outfront" next the audio describing the final moments of trayvon martin's life. did anyone other than those two people know what happened? well, it appears that someone did. what that witness saw, you're going to hear it next. we talk a lot about, well, we're going to show you something really strange that happened about a world leader. actually just happened in the past few minutes. it's actually the most bizarre thing i think i've ever seen from a world leader, and it's coming up. i was teaching a martial arts class and it hit me. we get to the emergency room... and then...and then they just wheeled him away. i had to come to that realization that "wow, i am having a heart attack." i can't punch this away. i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. 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some of it, ironically enough, is going to the country greece blames for some of its ills. germany. the greeks have been buying german bonds seen as as very safe haven and also wanting to take their money out of the eurozone are plowing it into british property, notably in the british capital london. we've seen inquiies for prime real estate going up 39% in just the month of april alone. erin? >> thanks to nina. now to london. queen elizabeth ii marking 60 years at a jubilee for being on the throne. i asked max foster who the problem was. >> well, erin, the queen invited every monarch in the world, and it's a very exclusive club, but within it there are controversial figures. the king of bahrain, swaziland, for example, both have been accused by activists of human rights abuses. also, a glaring mission of the table, it felt, the queen of spain. she turned down her invitation on the advice of her government. spain and britain are in a dispute over the island of gebralter. >> and the sport in the world, most watched. not the super bowl. the champion leagues. we call it soccer. between chelsea and baran munich. why champions league is the number one watches in the world? >> erin, quite simply, because when it comes to sports, we all like to see the best of the best play each other, and that's exactly what the champions league offers. fans of football or soccer, the most popular sport on the planet. only the nba can match it for global appeal. you know, you may well see kids wearing a kobe bryant laker shirt in some far-flung corner of the globe, but i guarantee you'll see one wearing a manchester united, real madrid or barcelona uniform. talking about the nba, what's the highlight of the season? all-star game. they offer this week in and week out. it may be a european competition but it attracts footballers from around the world because they have the most prestige and pay the most money, no wonder with tv and prize money in the champions league worth around $1 billion, erin. >> wow. zimmerman's head. this other one is a grainy photo from a phone cram showing a swollen nose of george zimmerman taken by a policeman at the scene. an autopsy found a cut on one of trayvon's fingers and a trace amount of marijuana in his body. and with us tonight, good to have you all with us. i want to begin by playing a little of the audio that we have here. this is a statement that a witness who saw exactly what happened between trayvon martin and george zimmerman, a witness of what he said. let's play it. >> when i first walked out there, the black guy was on top, and the only reason i can that he will was because the guy that was on the ground under him at that point wrestling was definitely a lighter color. >> bradley cohen, how significant is that statement? >> i think it's pretty significant. i mean, you had someone who actually saw what happened. now, what the argument's going to be is what happened prior to that? who struck who first? who attacked who first? but in terms of zimmerman's story, this certainly gives credibility to what he was saying that trayvon was on top of him and he was being assaulted while on top of him, but we don't know how that began. >> and jasmine, what's your reaction when you hear that? i mean, is it as damning as it seems it could be? >> i don't think that evidence is really that significant. we've been saying from the very beginning, the facts remain, officers told george zimmerman not to get out of his car, not to the pursue trayvon. zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, followed trayvon way loaded weapon and pursued the teenager throughout the apartment complex. it's very clear who the aggressive in this incident is and i think the injuries are consistent with the evidence. we know we have george zimmerman with scratching and we have trayvon dead with the use of a gun. >> okay. but we do also have, those pictures. george zimmerman, more than scratches. he had several areas in the back of his head where there's blood pouring out of his head and a broken nose? >> he certainly did not have life-threatens injuries. most notable, emt called out, they were told to turn around. did not go to the emergency that not. nobody saw george zimmerman that night. so no one medically inspected him until the following day. the evidence we have now -- >> go ahead, finish your point and then bradley come in. >> the evidence that we have now still remains that zimmerman pursued and shot and killed trayvon martin. >> okay. go ahead, bradley. then i want to get to stacy. >> sure. erin, just because the injuries are not life threatening doesn't mean the individual did not feel his life was being threatened at the time he was being beaten. just because your injuries don't say, oh, my god, these injury look like you could have died from them. if someone, like he said, was smashing his head against cement, you'd feel your life was in danger. >> let me play something else w heard in discovery. the first time we've heard the voice of trayvon martin's girlfriend. everyone following this case may remember he was on the phone with her right as this whole altercation began. her identity still hasn't been reveal. here's her voice and what she said. >> so, you definitely could tell another voice that was not trayvon? >> yeah. yeah. >> and you heard this other voice say what? >> yeah. what are you doing around here? >> what are you doing around here? okay. >> and i call trayvon, what's going on? what's going on? >> this is you saying it? >> yeah. i calling him, he didn't answer. >> no answer from trayvon? >> yeah. i hear something like, bump, you could hear that trayvon -- somebody bumped trayvon. i could hear the grass. >> so, stacy, what do you hear there? >> well, listen, everything we are discussing tonight is extremely significant. we have been waiting to hear if anybody was an earwitness or an eyewitness and certainly in this discovery that has been disseminated, we are starting to see or feel what actually went on but without knowing exactly and because none of these witnesses can tell how started it, but certainly, we know who set the chain of events in motion and that's what's very important. that zimmerman was the one that got out of the car and started the chain of events and certainly, we know that the law states if you are the addresser in all of this you can't then stand behind the shield and say i'm standing my ground. putting that aside, none of us on this panel know all of the evidence. the prosecutor does and now the defense attorney is getting everything. and at the stand your ground hearing it will be very important for this judge to make this decision by a preponderance of the evidence if, in fact, it was more likely than not what zimmerman said happened happened. and that is what we are going to know. >> let me ask you a question though, let me say from these two pieces of evidence do end up being directionally what happened. the first person to step out of the car and cause the problem was george zimmerman. does it then matter if he was on the bottom in the fight, if he started it? does he have any grounds to still use self-defense if he started it? >> well, we know -- >> absolutely. it's not that he was the starter. he was -- he wasn't -- being the aggressor means the physical aggressor. following someone is not the physical aggressor. calling someone a name is not the physical aggressor. the first physical aggressor is the individual that can't stand behind the law. we don't know who the first physical aggressor is. because i walk out of my house and i get hit by a car is it my fault that i walked out of my house to get hit by the car? no. the fact is the law is very specific in that if there is a physicality type law. it is not calling your mom a name that starts as an aggressor. >> stacy what if we then never know who was the first physical addresser? how does this case then go? what if we never know? >> well, certainly, there is more evidence and probably -- well not probably it is going to be left up to a judge to say i don't know who started this. i don't know who was the aggressor in all this. i don't know really what happened. it's murky. and that judge, the standard is very low. it is by a preponderance of the evidence, which mean it is more likely than not. that judge has to make the decision whether or not he is immune from prosecution or whether or not this is a self-defense argument that has to go to a jury. so it is a murky situation and now, by just getting these little bits and pieces of the evidence, we don't know the whole picture. >> jasmine what about the marijuana question? last night we had on a forensic pathologist who was talking about how the sample was taken from what he call sod called open blood and he said really, as a result, the amounts that were shown in the autopsy didn't mean anything, that it could have meant he was smoking right before or smoking hours before, it was just -- you were unable to tell. how much more difficult is that gonna make your side of this case? >> not at all t has absolutely no legal relevance to the case at hand. and in fact, it is so insubstantial it is not even a misdemeanor in florida courts. i want to go back and address that last issue about physical aggression. i think it is physically aggressive to follow somebody with a loaded gun and we talk about fear and somebody fearing for their lives, certainly, a 17-year-old child who is being approached by a -- approached and followed by a grown man with a loaded gun would certainly fear for his life. >> well, that sounds interesting but the florida case law doesn't support that flat case law says very specifically what physical action is and following someone is not a physical action it is a physical aggression toward that individual. that's what counts. he didn't even know allegedly that zimmerman had a gun. zimmerman never said he pulled the gun before the whole altercation occurred and that is the only person we can hear at this point. if there's other witnesses that come forward or other statements that are made that is to be seen. >> that's to say. right now, we are talking in the hypotheticals. we have a couple pieces of evidence and certainly, the prosecutor, before they filed the indictment, the information, had a slew of witness statements, an audio and photographs and forensics and that's what we have to wait and see. to sit here and say because we don't know if he is the aggressor or this one witness came out after the fact, we don't know how long that witness was watching. this is all for the minihearing that is going to take place for the stand your ground. >> thanks very much to all three of you. we appreciate it. all right, when we come back, like i said, the most bizarre thing that i have ever seen of a world leader. a sitting leader of one of the biggest countries on this planet, naked in a -- in a piece of art. this is an rc robotic claw. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. our science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller. over the last three years we've put nearly 100 million dollars into american education. that's thousands of kids learning to love science. ♪ isn't that cool? 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