the chinese activist at the center of the firestorm interrupted a hearing, cried out for help. chen guangcheng the blind chinese dissident who sought refuge in the american embassy in beijing called into the emergency hearing about his case and pleaded through a translator -- you can see the call happening, asking specifically to speak with secretary of state hillary clinton. >> translator: i really fear for my other family member's life and we have installed radio cameras and even with electric fence. >> now, all of this comes after a whirl wind day of developments that forced the u.s. to explain why chen said he wanted to leave. he said he needs to leave for his safety. and that put ambassador gary locke on the defensive. >> this was his decision and he indicated of what he wanted. he had the option of staying in the embassy for years if necessary. >> congressman chris smith spoke to chen today. he was overseeing that committee hearing on human rights. he is outfront tonight. >> good to see you. >> we saw some video of you there as the translator was telling you what chen was saying. it sounded like he asked for secretary of state hillary clinton. did he basically go through the state department switch board and ended up with you, how did this happen? >> no, pastor bob foo set up the phone call. i had been trying to get in touch with chen guangcheng and he made the contact and then beput -- then we put it to the microphone so all could hear his comments. he's concerned about his welfare, but even more so about his family, his extended family, his nephew, as well as people like the woman who actually brought him in her car to the embassy. she has disappeared. she may be under house arrest. but she's in terrible, terrible situation. we're concerned about her. >> what else did he say? obviously you're talking about we heard some of what he said on the microphone. what else did he say? >> well, he's also concerned that even though there seemed to be an agreement and i'm very concerned myself it was never written down about what safeguards he and his family were given and who enforces it. there was a hurry-up effort it seems to me to get him out of the embassy, you know, i heard the ambassador say he might stay here for years. but with hillary clinton and her entourage coming in to get this all done, signed, sealed and delivered before this big summit. my thought is that this should have been done painstakingly slow to ensure that if he wants to come to the united states, if he wants asylum for himself and his family that we leave no stone unturned in order to do that. >> all right. well, thank you very much, congressman. we appreciate it. i have been hearing from a lot of people which is the u.s. rushed this through and made some serious mistakes. now, we spent the day today talking to chinese dissidents who found refuge in the united states and canada and spoke firsthand about what it's like to be at the center of this kind of drama. we wanted to find out what went down at the embassy when chen went there. i have been to the u.s. embassy in beijing, it's impressive, in a new building. it's the second biggest embassy after baghdad and it has the most sophisticated anti-bugging technology in the world. it's only a few years old. the security firm lawrence liverpool designed the countersurveillance. i couldn't bring my blackberry in, couldn't take photos even in mundane, unmarked areas and there were no exceptions to the rule. i was told that in the center of the compound which is like a college campus. you have six or seven big buildings. some classified, some unclassified. there's a motel 6 style building that's where the u.s. marines who live at the embassy stay and that's where chen guangcheng stayed as well. i'm told by sources familiar with u.s. diplomatic relations with china they said they've never heard of a situation where a dissident was given asylum at the embassy and then released back into the streets until now. so what will happen to chen? we speak to a man who was jailed for 17 years for criticizing the government. now, the clinton administration negotiated his release in 1997. he was talking to our producer susie sue in mandarin today recalling the jail guard approaching him in his cell saying you've got two choices. stay in prison here for the rest of your life or leave immediately for the u.s. it was a quick choice he had to make. out of the blue. he chose the latter. he has lived in this country ever since. but he says he longs to go home. now, he says he's indebted to the united states for his freedom but he's critical of how chen was treated by the u.s. he said, i think the u.s. government didn't handle this way. they were clearly in a hurry to come to an agreement. when asked what he thinks chen's future in china will be, quote, it's unimaginable what will happen to him, the chinese government will find ways to punish him. and the chinese government will likely deal with him in a hard-handed way. perhaps sending him to a remote location for house arrest. i was told, quote, every day is an embarrassment for senior chinese officials right now. keep in mind they're ready for the biggest change in power since 1949. saving face is important. but the u.s. didn't get this right either obviously rushing chen's release ahead of secretary clinton's visit and sending a desperate man to what can be a terrible fate. and we have a cover story on this, it's called "the people's republic of scandal." it's a great read. great to have both of you with us. stan, i know you talked to gary locke today, the u.s. ambassador. you had another chance to speak with chen. what do you get a sense of what's going to happen here? is this in limbo and chen may just quote/unquote disappear? >> i can tell you what is happening right now, erin, and this is a man who's in fear of his life, in fear of the safety of his family is right now in a hospital surrounded by chinese guards who are not even letting u.s. officials in to see him. that's his situation. at the same time, he's calling in to the u.s. congressional hearing, he's speaking to us and saying over and over again, get me out of here. yesterday when he spoke to us, he appealed directly to president obama saying please, sir, do everything you can to get me and my family out of this country and to safety in the united states. now, this is someone who's heard directly from authorities back in his village saying they're waiting there in his house with weapons if his family is sent back there. so this is a very, very desperate image right now. and very, very concerned about how this was rushed through in the embassy. he says he didn't have all the information and he was being urged to leave the embassy. now he regrets doing so, erin. >> jim, this does seem that this was bungled. is that your sense in your reporting? >> oh, yeah, this was handled very badly. it was a lose/lose situation in which the united states in an attempt to make sure that this diplomatic meeting concluded on schedule on thursday it seems like they made a lot of quick choices and made a lot of bad choices. chen is in a bad spot and this could be very bad for the obama administration. >> do you think the president is going to be forced to end up speaking out on this? i mean, whether he wants or doesn't want to, obviously that's a huge diplomatic question for the president of the united states to speak. >> yeah, i don't think he can stay silent on this, because that's ballooned into a much larger issue. i think this is going to come back to haunt the administration. over history, history will judge this as a rush to make sure that something happened and it turned out it wasn't the right thing. >> stan, what can you tell us of chen talking about, obviously he's in the hospital. senior diplomatic officials have been telling me he'll stay there for a little while until both sides figure out what to do here. we were hearing from congressman smith about the woman who drove him to the embassy. that she's missing. how many people are currently involved in this perhaps facing repercussions from chinese authorities right now from your reporting? >> this is a really interesting issue, because we actually spoke to her, the lady who brought him to beijing. we interviewed her late last week. about an hour after we spoke to her, she was taken away. we spoke to another activist friend of chen's who actually took him to the u.s. embassy. again, a couple of hours later he was questioned and later he was released. incredible images of man standing out in front of the hospital demonstrating for chen and security dragged him away forcibly. despite the talk of a deal between the china and the u.s., here is a man holed up in the hospital, surrounded by security who don't care what the rest of the world sees or thinks. they're prepared to lock people up and drag people away with immunity. >> the bo xilai story is part of this too. there are issues in the chinese government. >> they're looking forward to a smooth transfer of power, but these two stories have knocked it off course. people are wondering if the communist party knows what it's doing or has its act together and the communist party is trying to get through this because they're panicked. >> wow. all right, thank you very much. certainly sort of -- an amazing moment in history. just to watch all of this happening. thanks very much to both of you. 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john avlon joins us, reihan salam and michael waldman all with us now. let me ask this question, reihan. exactly how we stand here, because obviously mitt romney when he wrote that op-ed used the words managed bankruptcy, and he used in the cnn debate. now that people like the bailout and think it worked, i'm going to say it was my idea. but when i had a headline when i said i hated it, i was cool having people think that i thought it was terrible. >> well, this is the problem in politics with anything that requires more than three sentences worth of explanation. he backed a managed bankruptcy process and we saw a managed bankruptcy process. we saw a process that many people think was not managed terribly well, that rewarded some creditors over others and rewarded the uaw in a way that was actually pretty inappropriate. so i think that's the concern. the idea is if you had a clean managed bankruptcy process, you could have had a company on a sounder footing, but also a company that wouldn't have as huge an advantage over ford as gm does now. if the taxpayers had been less generous, you might have had a somewhat different outcome. but i think you're absolutely right to say that, look, this is a problem when you have to explain a complex idea in a complex evolving situation, that's always going to be politically difficult. >> right, it's interesting, joh avlon, these aren't words most americans are used to but i can boil this down pretty simply. barack obama managed the unions in a very different way mitt romney would have managed the unions. this is a union question. >> it's a union question downstream. when mitt romney wrote that op-ed with the headline let detroit go bankrupt, he was placing a bet on an argument being made at the time. bush started with the bailouts, obama continued, stopping that freefall so they get to that place in managed bankruptcy. there's a clear contrast. he said if the bailouts occurred, kiss the auto industry goodbye. that's far from what happened. in fact it's back. all of a sudden, eric fehrnstrom said that actually obama followed romney's advice, you've got a fundamental problem in politi perception and this does not pass the smell test. >> i think a lot of people actually perceive mitt romney to basically say let them go under, let all the jobs be gone, which to be honest he did not say. but that nuance is -- it requires a couple of sentences, as ryan said. >> even the experts and people in the auto industry will say that without the federal money there would have been a liquidation if they had gone bankrupt. but this is a big problem for him because when a politician is faced with a position that's unpopular or something they wish they hadn't done, they have to figure out what to do with it. so here he says the auto bailout he opposed he was really for. but on the other hand obama care, which really was his idea, he says he's against. it's a challenge politicians face all the time. fdr gave a speech for a balanced budget when you ran for president the first time. then he did the new deal. he asked an aide, he said figure out a way to reconcile what i did with that speech. >> he didn't live in the world of blogs. >> etch-a-sketch roosevelt, i love it. >> the guys said deny you were in pittsburgh. >> it does come down to that. as another statewide massachusetts elected official said i voted for it before i voted against it. this is the problem romney finds himself in and it's compounded by that history of reversals on issues between the time he was governor and running for president. >> one final thing about where the polls are today. it seems -- how much of this is going to come down to it doesn't really matter what we see in the popular vote, it comes down to the electoral college. that's what everyone says. >> we are still in the third inning of a long ball game so don't put too much stake in them. but they are indicative of the way the trends are going. and so they're worth watching. but everyone keep a sense of perspective. save everyone's suspense. for the next couple months the headlines will be polls are tightening. because guess what? they're going to because mitt romney will be pivoting for the general. >> some of the states that you might not think are close or strong romney states are looking like they're strong for president obama, such as virginia where i saw a poll saying he was up by eight points. it's really interesting what's happening in all the different states, which don't necessarily add up to the same tightness of the race that you see in the national polls. >> you know what, no matter who ends up winning, tighter polls are fun. it's fun to talk about it, fun to debate it and we'll have all fun with it. thanks to all three of you. outfront story number four is up next. still outfront, bin laden's last words. >> we need to kill president obama. we need to kill general david petraeus. >> cain's cocky stance. all this outfront in our second half. that could work. or you could use every door direct mail from the postal service. it'll help you and all your franchisees find the customers that matter most: the ones in the neighborhood. you print it or find a local partner. great. keep it moving honey. honey? 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[ male announcer ] go online to reach every home, every address, every time with every door direct mail. welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start the second half of our show with stories we care about and focus on our own reporting from the front lines. we have breaking news tonight. the chinese activist at the center of the firestorm between the u.s. and china interrupted a hearing on capitol hill. he called in, a translator was there. he cried out for help. chen guangcheng, who is the blind chinese dissident who sought refuge in the u.s. embassy in beijing, called in about his case, pleaded, asking specifically to speak with secretary of state hillary clinton. congressman chris smith was the man on the other end of the line chairing the committee. he spoke to chen and then he spoke to us. >> he is very, very concerned about his welfare. but even more so about his family, his wife, his extended family, his nephew, as well as people like hu parong, the woman who actually brought him in her car to the embassy. she has disappeared. she may be under house arrest, nobody knows for sure. but she is in terrible, terrible situation and we're very concerned about her. another developing story, the san diego medical examiner has officially ruled former nfl linebacker junior seau's death a suicide. the 43-year-old died yesterday of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest. seau spent 20 years in the nfl playing for the san diego chargers, dolphins and patriots. and a top house republican leaked a resolution today in a move to hold attorney general eric holder in contempt of congress. house oversight committee chairman darrell issa accuses holder of failing to cooperate with the investigation into the controversial operation fast and furious, a weapons sting where federal agents allowed mexican drug cartels to get illegal guns. at the center of the investigation, weapons tied to the operation were found at the site of a murdered border patrol agent. gop leaders have not made a final decision on whether they will put this to a vote in the house. one major activist investor did a search into the google ceo background and didn't like what they found. it's forced yahoo! to admit that it made an error on the bio. it said scott thompson graduated from stone hill college with a bachelor's degree in accounting and computer science. those are two nice things for the ceo of a major company but the problem is he doesn't have a degree in computer science. according to the investor's research, stony hill college didn't award computer science degrees until four years after mr. thompson graduated. we're trying to get to the bottom of whether that was inadvertent or something more serious in terms of the oversight. it's been 273 days since this country lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? we told you earlier in the week homeownership was at a record low. maybe that will help people buy because mortgage rates hit a record low. 3.84% refi. new details in the shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. according to some reporting from the "orlando sentinel" george zimmerman told police that the florida teen was circling his suv while he was on the phone with the 911 operator. now, zimmerman told investigators that he rolled up his window to avoid a conflict. but what's interesting is we went back to the tapes to listen, and he didn't mention any of this to the 911 dispatcher. prosecutors say there are inconsistencies in his story. a volunteer neighborhood watchman also told police that martin covered his mouth during their fight and the teen reached for his gun while they struggled on the gun. defense attorney mark o'mara wasn't available to comment to us. the lawyer for trayvon martin's family says it doesn't add up. paul callan is a former prosecutor and mark najame is also here. george zimmerman said trayvon martin was circling his suv but here's what he said to the dispatcher. >> these [ bleep ], they always get away. this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. something's wrong with him. yep, he's coming to check me out. he's got something in his hands. i don't know what his deal is. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay. we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> now, paul, i mean i don't know how much detail comes into these calls. he doesn't use the words circling his suv but he says he's coming over to him. is this an inconsistency between the 911 call and what he's now saying to the officials? >> inconsistencies are the building blocks of the prosecutor's case because there's a charge they use in criminal cases called false in uno, false in one thing, false in everything. the prosecutor is going to say you can't believe the self defense claim because he's lying about what happened at the suv. now, is this an inconsistency? defense lawyers will say it's not inconsistent. he said he was coming at me, he's checking me out. he doesn't use the word "circle" but it's not an inconsistency. i think o'mara can get around this particular claim. >> mark, what's your sense? do you think this is something, as paul said, maybe seeming inconsistent but the defense attorneys could get around? >> well, i've been endlessly frustrated by the misinformation that's come out. we've been on this nonstop investigating, talking to a variety of sources. i don't believe that the discovery, which was going to come out next week. we're only five days away, six days away from all the discovery, the first wave of discovery coming out. i don't believe that we're going to see that in the discovery. if we do, yeah, then it could be argued one way or another. if not, then it's just more misinformation that's being fed by these anonymous sources to the public. all that i've been able to discover so far, that's not what the discovery is going to show that was said. >> what will it show then? or what can you tell us about that? >> as i understand it, that there is -- and we've got a minute and ten seconds that we're all going to have to figure out and figure out what happened in that one minute ten that still remains cloudy and questionable. what as i understand it, there was -- somehow they got together, there was clearly an altercation and sadly there was a fight to the death. there was stippling, there was close powder burns and we know in fact that they were back and forth in some sort of engagement. we also know a defense witness is out there that says trayvon was on top of zimmerman. but until we see the discovery, a lot of this is conjecture. i think there was an altercation, a fight for the death and we need to figure out who started it and whose voice, which is to me one of the largest things in this case, whose voice was crying for help, was it trayvon or zimmerman. whose ever voice was crying for help, they were likely not the attacker. >> are we going to be able to figure that out, paul? obviously there's been different voice analyses done and we've heard different conclusions. will this be conclusively proven? >> it's interesting because some of the press accounts today said that in one of the statements, zimmerman allegedly made, he said that trayvon martin had covered his mouth during the struggle, covered zimmerman's mouth, and yet police are saying that you can clearly hear someone saying "help me, help me" it doesn't sound muffled so there may be a claim by the police that this indicates that zimmerman is lying about that. but i think in the end, we're getting bits and pieces. we don't know how accurate it is. the one thing i'd really like to know, we have zimmerman in the suv, trayvon martin is approaching him according to his statement. where is trayvon martin's body found ultimately with respect to the suv? is it very far away? which would indicate he had to get out and then follow for an extensive period of time. i think that would be an important factor that you would look at ultimately. so, you know, but these are a lot of details that we don't have right now and we won't until all the discovery is released. >> it's unclear how far away he was found, mark. i know we were told or at least george zimmerman said that trayvon disappeared, i guess he went looking for him. it's unclear sort of who -- we're still trying to figure out who was the initial aggressor here. still, so many people have the question, mark, shouldn't this have been something george zimmerman was charged with right away? does anything support what actually happened, which was had there not been some sort of hew and cry, we would never in america have heard of this and he would be living a normal life? >> well, the way that is handled in seminole county, florida, is that it's the state attorney who ultimately decides whether the sanford police department or any of the other agencies in seminole county will in fact have somebody arrested on a homicide charge. so i think that this becomes -- and this becomes part of the issue, why we need to fill in that one minute ten gap to piece this together. we've worked really hard to do that. i've got a great sense of what i think occurred. but the reality of it is, is that question respectfully needs to be pointed to the state attorney' office and we need to figure out what was there, because ethically they're not allowed to proceed if they don't believe in good faith they can have probable cause. we need to know what those facts were that made them come to that decision. >> and florida has this strange law, the stand your ground law, that puts self defense on a pedestal and says to the police you can't make an arrest unless you can disprove at the time of the arrest the claim of self defense. that doesn't exist in a lot of other places and i think that's why there was no arrest that night in florida. >> all right, thanks to both, appreciate it. herman cain, presidential candidate, business executive, and the man behind some strange ads and rabbit murders. yes. what are you thinking, herman cain? 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[ screaming ] >> he's also out with a new book about his famous 9-9-9 plan. here it is. of course, herman cain is outfront tonight. hey, good to see you, mr. cain. >> thank you. the last time i saw you was at a presidential debate. good to see you again. >> yes, it was. let me ask you about the video, you're trying to use humor or shock to make a point. we showed our viewers before the one about the stuff rabbit being shot, the gold fish dying. why are you choosing these over the top violent ads? what do you think you're going to get out of it? >> they're not violent because the gold fish didn't die, the rabbit was a stuffed toy and this is intended to cut through the clutter. okay. it was a stuffed toy, trust me. it wasn't a real rabbit. >> this an important distinction. i was concerned. >> you said earlier i murdered a rabbit. no, it was a rabbit. >> i did say you murdered a rabbit, you're right. >> our tax code is 99 years old this year. and the thing about it is we all have been complaining about the tax code for decades but we have not been able to get congress and the president to change it. so i am creating a grass roots movement and 9-9-9 because it became so popular when i was a candidate and it is still popular and the subtitle is an army of davids. we are going to have get rid of this insane, complex, sick tax code with the people putting enough pressure on congress that's why i have created this series of ads also to cut through the clutter. >> all right. and obviously i know you believe in the 9-9-9. i wanted to read you a quote, larry summers obviously worked for the president. but a very respected economist. he said and i quote, a country that pursues austerity does the credits no favor. i even though you want to redo the tax plan, do you agree with that statement? >> i do agree with that statement. but that's two separate problems. one problem is how we raise revenue. the other problem is how we contain spending. that's two separate problems. we have to first get this economy growing at a robust rate and exchange a tax code, throwing out the current tax code is the best way to do that and at the same time address the issue of how do we contain the out of control spending. two separate problems and i'm addressing with the book 9-9-9 and one of the biggest domestic challenges we have. >> i want to ask you in a moment how you're doing this during the election season, but first i want to ask you this. your passionate about this. you made it your cause. will you work with if he's re-elected president obama on this issue? would you be an emissary, an evangelist for this if he said i want an overhaul in tax code? >> the answer is absolutely yes, but he'll have to start with the premise throw out the current tax code. see, erin, it doesn't matter who's president. i will work passionately with whoever the president if they start that -- with that premise. so if president obama were to come to me today and say that he wanted to adopt 9-9-9 i would work with him. i am on a mission to replace the tax code for the good of the american people and for the good of this country. >> and i want to ask, you made a few endorsements since you dropped out. i was there with the day when you talked about the american people. i wanted to play something for you. >> my unconventional endorsement is the people. we the people of this nation are still in charge! that's who i'm endorsing. i hereby officially and enthusiastically endorse newt gingrich for president of the united states! i would support whoever the nominee is, and it looks like mitt romney is going to be the nominee and we need to get behind him. >> before you respond i want to play this what you said about mitt romney's tax plan which it does have a nine in it as in 59 points. here it is. >> the 9-9-9 plan that i have proposed is simple, transparent, efficient, fair and neutral. my question is to governor romney. can you name all 59 points in your 160-page plan and does it satisfy that criteria of being simple, transparent, efficient, fair and neutral? >> all right. he laughed. are you for real about him? are you going to work hard for mitt romney? if he endorses the principle of tax reform, are you still going to be out there fighter for him? >> yes. and the word rotating endorsements is a misnomer. it's a revolving endorsement. i said i would support whoever gets the republican endorsement. and the fact that he hasn't endorsed 9-9-9, i'll still endorse him. we're talking to his staff, but yes, the process is it what is. when you're in the competition to get the nomination, yes, you go constructively against some of the people that you're working with, but in the end i will support mitt romney who is the presumptive nominee for the republican party. >> and a quick final here. i wanted to ask you, well, what you think of this. let's play it so you can hear it. ♪ there's no pizza i couldn't if i tried ♪ ♪ i so in love with you >> does the president have what it takes? have a baritone? >> well, he's okay, but, you know, i have been a vocalist most of my life as sort of a vocation. i do it for fun and that clip that you played was when i first became ceo of godfathers pizza and the omaha press club did that event and they asked me to do that song. i thoroughly enjoyed it because i do have a sense of humor. and quite frankly, i have a pretty decent voice for singing. >> yes, you do. i think everybody would say that and the president would agree. i think he would say yours is better tan his, but he did a better job there. >> he did okay, yes, he did. >> okay. thanks. good to see you. still outfront, iceland has a secret weapon. e-block is next. i needed a coach. our doctor was great, but with so many tough decisions i felt lost. unitedhealthcare offered us a specially trained rn who helped us weigh and understand all our options. for me cancer was as scary as a fastball is to some of these kids. but my coach had hit that pitch before. turning data into useful answers. we're 78,000 people looking out for 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.

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