i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, some breaking news. cnn can now confirm the name of the student who allegedly shot five of his fellow classmates at an ohio high school this morning. his name is tj lane. he's a junior. he was described by friends as quiet, but a nice kid from a broken home. no matter what, he created a scene of horror and chaos in chard chardon, ohio today. allegedly opening fire in the high school cafeteria, leaving one dead and four wounded. two remain in krcritical conditn tonight. nate mueller was in the cafeteria. he's a fellow student and described the scene. >> he didn't say anything the entire time. he took one shot and then that's when we looked to see what was happening. i saw him shoot, which hit one of my other friends that was sitting at the table with us and then as i was turning around, that's when he hit me. >> ted rollins is outside the high school in chardon for us tonight. and teresa hunt is going to join us in a couple of months on the phone. her daughter was in a classroom during the shooting. ted, i wanted to start with you though. what can you tell us what you have learned today from reporting on this about who tj lane is, the shooter here? >> reporter: well, you alluded to it, erin. a young man from a tough childhood. lived off and on with his mother or grandparents, has a brother that has been in and out of joil. one student described him as very quiet. said he didn't have a very good attendance record, but when he was here, a fairly nice child or young man and according to one person, they say this was a complete shock. he was reported to students a victim of bullying on and off and that's sort of the picture we're getting. a young man who didn't say a lot, but was the target of some bullying from a broken home. >> that bullying the link to the students? what have they been saying about how the five kids who were shot were targeted? were they specifically targeted? >> reporter: well, that according to witnesses, it seemed to many eyewitnesses that these students were targeted. now, the reason likely according to one student we just talked to was the bullying. in fact, the student just said to me a few minutes ago, they picked the wrong kid to bully. they didn't realize it. that's what we're getting from eyewitnesses, that he apparently did target this group of students specifically and we'll find out more later, that bullying may have been the root. >> i'm curious there. there are reports that tj may have posted on social media, perhaps twitter, that he was going to bring a gun to school monday, but no one took him seriously. have you heard about that? >> reporter: yeah, we've heard about that, but the tweet is not online now and according to students we've talked to, there are some students that say they did read a tweet where he said quote some people are going to get hurt tomorrow, then was removed presumably by him at some point last night, so we haven't been able to independently verify that, however, if you look at his facebook page, there are some disturbing writings on there. at one point in one of the writingings, he says i want you to feel death. >> ted, what can you tell ugh us at this point about the gun? do you know anything about it, illegal, where he may have obtained it? >> reporter: we don't have any specific information in terms of where he got the gun. local authorities were able to recover the gun and turned it over to the atf for blaallistic analy analyzing. we know from a friend he said he laked to hunt. so whether he had access to guns in his home or had to go out and get a gun, we just don't know that yet. >> thank you very much. if ted gets more, he'll be back with us. our reporter, martin savidge, is on the scene and just a few minutes ago, had the chance to speak to a 16-year-old junior at the school. here's what she told him. >> we heard over twitter that it was a student and when i heard tj lane, i heard from one of my friends sitting next to me an it just hit me, you know. >> shock at such a horrible event. teresa hunt joins us on the phone now. her daughter was hunkered down in a classroom during the shooting. thank you very much for being with us. your daughter was in a classroom. how did you find out what happened? >> at about 7:45 this morning, she had texted me, mom, we're in lockdown, there's been a shooting. i texted her back saying you're in the joking around, you're serious. she said, yes. i said, where are you now? she said she was in her first period science class down the hall from the cafeteria and they were on lockdown. the doors were locked. students had the lights off with the teacher and they were sitting on the floor against the wall. >> and how long were they there? i know you were texting back and forth the whole time? >> yes. they didn't release her out of that classroom until 9:15. to the elementary school, which is right across the street. >> they sat there for a long time. your daughter, i know knew some of the victims. >> yes. she was friends with one that's in critical condition right now at metro in cleveland. >> yes. >> and her one friend that's over in hillcrest. >> does she have any feeling? i know she has to be in shock, but did she have any sense as to why they may have been targeted? ted rollins was reporting that bullying may have been the reason that tj is giving for the shooting. >> no, but i know this boy doesn't attend chardon school. he is -- goes to lake academy, which is out in will low by hills. he goes to an academy that is for troubled teens. my niece goes to the same school. she knew of him and she said he was nice and polite to her. never thought that he would do anything like this. he was a dark kid. didn't really talk to a lot of kids, but she road the bus to school with him everybody day and they talked. >> any sense of anything abnormal about him other than being at that school? >> no. you know, like you said, hard time with his parents. living with his grandma and you know, kind of a loner. >> and did she know anything about him ever having a gun or talking about guns? that might have been something that would never come up. i'm just curious. >> my daughter didn't, but my niece said he did like to hunt. that i know is true. >> your niece who knew him. and what is your daughter doing tonight? i can only imagine she's in complete shock along with all the other kids who were there today. >> she went over to her best friend's house and they're kind of holding it together. themselves. i know she's in shock. i know they're both in shock. she goes with the students that went to auburn career center, also. this is just really, really a shocker. for this community. >> well, teresa, thank you very much for taking the time out of your evening to talk to us. i appreciate it. as teresa was saying, her daughter began to text her around 7:45. we heard they began after 7:30. minutes after the shots rang out, dispatchers can be heard sending police and rescue to the scene. >> chardon rescue, we have an active shooter at the high school. repeat, active gun shots at the high school. chardon, we have three students down in the cafeteria at this time. we still don't know where the shooter is. also, there's a fourth one down in room 200. >> many called teacher frank hall a hero tonight. he was monitoring the cafeteria. he chased the shooter out saving lives. paul cowen has been following the story "outfront" tonight. paul, let's start off, we're learning more about the shooter, you just heard new details from teresa hunt a couple of moments ago. his gun though, we don't know anything about that yet. it's in atf control. what do you think we may find out? how dift is it to get a handgun in ohio? >> this is one of the first questions people will be asking. how does a high school kid get a gun to use on fellow students? i was looking at ohio gun laws this afternoon. it's very easy to get a gun in ohio. you don't need a permit or license to buy a gun in ohio. it's different though to carry a gun. you do need a concealed weapon permit and if you're selling a handgun to somebody under the age of 21, which obviously is the situation we have here, that is illegal and is a crime in ohio, but i did know one exception. you can sell to somebody under 21 if he's using the gun for hunting, educational or sporting purposes. >> interesting there, that he talked about loving hunting, so there may be a connection there. sfwl. >> he may have squeezed in through an exception. >> he is of course, he was a junior, so we believe he's under the age of 18, though it's conceivable he may not be. what kind of penalties could he face? >> like a lot of states, they have changed their juvenile justice system in ohio and when you have a serious crime like murder, the judge can decide whether you will be tried as a juvenile. say he was tried as a juvenile. he would be out of jail even with a maximum sentence in his early 20s. if he's tried as an adult, he would likely face life in prison. it's shocking how lenient the juvenile penalties are. it's not just ohio. most states now leave it in the hands of a judge between the ages of 16 and 18 or sometimes as young as 13 to 18 to try them as an adult when it's a particularly serious or heinous crime and i think you're going to see that here. >> thank you very much. we have new developments in the case of a woman found strangled to death in her mercedes. police tonight testing materials they found in the family garage. and rick santorum today called the president a snob. obama's repons. and merrimerrill streep on oscar. but we're going to tell you why her next project is way more important. nutritionpossible.com. better nutrition... is within reach. centrum. nutrition possible. 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>> oh, absolutely. we've got two republican candidates for r president who i feel are both damaged goods. i think santorum's radio active in a general election and i think romney's not too far behind him. so hopefully with my efforts and the efforts tomorrow in the state to turn this election over to the romney, excuse me, over to santorum, will throw an anvil in romney's lap and cause havoc all the way to the republican convention in orlando. >> but again, just sort of on the patriotism of this, shouldn't each party be allowed to nominate who they want? >> and michigan republicans could run their own election instead of having taxpayers foot the bill. there's tho reason president obama should be on the primary election ballot tomorrow other than the republicans in the state wanting taxpayers to pay the bill for their private party. they invited us in, so we're talking the offer. there's nothing unpatriotic about it. >> would you be upset for the tables were turned? were you angry when that happened? >> that's just the rules of the game. you play the game. i don't like the outcome, but it was fair and in the law and rules. this is nothing new in michigan politics. >> how many people do you think you're going to get? i know you said you had 12,000 ready. some say that is inflated and inaccurate. your response? >> republicans are saying that's inflated. >> that's right. >> we've had a prom program over the past seven days to identify, earlier today, 12,000. thinking it might be a couple thousand higher once i start going through the data tonight. this is a razor thing election. no one knows how this is going to turn out tomorrow. if even 2,000 democrats show up tomorrow and the margin is 2,000, well then we've made a difference. it's all predicated on the fact that mitt romney is incredibly weak as a candidate. this is his home state. rick santorum's a religious fanatic who has zero reasons to be in this race other than mitt can close the deal. >> however you and rush limbaugh, i get it. that works on both sides. thanks to both, joe. >> thank you. all right. joining us now is david frum and james carville. republican and democrat respectively. let me start with you, david frum. what do you think about this? the santorum campaign saying look, we're going to admit it. we're doing robo calls to the whole state of michigan saying come over, vote for rick santorum. is this insanity? >> no, i think it's nostalgia that rick santorum remembers a time when there were a lot of socially conservative democrats who were not aversed to the republican economic message. the famous reagan democrats of 30 years ago. i think this is a case where you see a kind of, the weakness of the santorum campaign staffing operation is those people are not there in the strength they used to be an the place where the independents today, they are disaffiliated republicans. on the independent side, more or the far right than this reagan democrat middle and the action of course is to among the be educated, those will be called to mitt romney and not rick santorum. >> james carville, what do they think? that these people will actually vote for them or a pure spoil play? >> first of all, it's hard enough to get democrats to vote in the democratic primary. i think rush limbaugh had a operation chaos. >> he did. >> in pennsylvania in '08, so my experience always not very successful. he's trying to scrap up every vote here and some of the democratic organizations in michigan had sort of talked about this, but my guess it's effect is going to be fairly negative legible. >> one group that has been pro rick santorum, lot of blue collar voters, people without college degrees and there's been a bit of a back and forth between rick santorum and the president indicating the president takes him more seriously as a competitor. >> president obama want once said he wants everybody in america to go to college. what a snob. i understand why he wants you to go to college. he wants to remake you in his image. >> and here is the president fighting back. >> i have to make a point here. when i speak about higher education, we're not just talking about a four-year degree. we're talking about somebody going to a community college and getting trained for that manufacturing job that now is requiring somebody walking through the door, handinging them a million dollar piece of equipment. >> there are so many pa jortive words out there, james. calling somebody a snob, you know. >> i guess it kind of, to the extent of civility on cable tv, i am stunned, not -- crass he has, but the idiotcy of what the president said. i just cannot believe how -- i -- i'm floored by somebody who was brought up by a mother who believed in education above anything else. i'm sure most people in the united states were. i'm just floored at that remark. it takes a lot to floor me in politics. >> david frum, i wanted to play something else rick santorum said. here, he's talking about gas prices. >> we went into a recession in 2008 because of gasoline prices. the bubble burst in housing because people couldn't pay their mortgages because we're looking at $4 a gallon gasoline. >> i talked to an economist today. he says of course, that is false. gas prices did not help the economy, but obviously did not cause people to not be able to pay their mortgages. but where is rick santorum getting all of this? >> i think a lot of it he's probably getting it from the internet late at night. it really matters. >> at least that's what he's doing late at night. >> i want to go back to this point about the staffing. you saw it in the last debate, where rick santorum was surprised by a audacious attack that romney launch ed at him. rick santorum has been come tog this with a game that's like a very good high school athlete suddenly arriving in a college or professional league, that he is up against people who are really prepared and have done the research. romney has behind him america e's e leading economists. i don't know who's giving rick santorum his economic advice and so you wing it on the fly. what you also see with santorum is he's a person who has powerful nostalgic ideas. he's got a vision of how america was and he's often wrong on the facts. that going to co