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CNNW Declassified December 3, 2016

Any time you tried to speak to people about christianity, you were taking a tremendous risk. There were eight individuals arrested in afghanistan. They could be subject to the death penalty. They would drill us with questions for ten hours at a time. The mission was rescue eight hostages in the heart of taliban country and bring them home. Kabuls latest Occupying Force are islamic fundamentalists who call themselves the taliban. Their aim to reshape morals and principles in their image of islam. Afghanistan under the taliban was highly repressive society. The taliban was ruling over most of the country. The muslim taliban government controlled most of afghanistan and banned women from going to school or work. Women had to be accompanied by a man to walk outside. And had to be covered in the veil from head to toe. The taliban exposed the Afghan People to a horrific war. That continues to this day. You also had this group of International Religious extremists under bin laden who refer to themselves as al qaeda, and they had sought and gained safe haven in the talibancontrolled parts of afghanistan. They were essentially being hosted by the taliban. It was the paramount safe haven for al qaeda. Which was the most dangerous terrorist group on the planet at the time. The taliban is ruling according to their conception of islamic law. The most literal fundamentalist conception that you can possibly imagine. The taliban regime was ruthless. There wasnt anything that they wouldnt do. These men would shoot women in the back of the head. They were the men who would beat you on the street with whips. They were the ones who were committing all the crimes against humanity in the name of islam. The people were in dire, dire straits, and they were living in abject poverty. They were suffering under the greatest, most oppressive regime that weve seen in modern history. It makes me feel angry, but i dont want to live just to feel angry. I want to do something to change it. Thats why i went to afghanistan. In march of 2001, i moved to afghanistan. To join a Relief Agency called shelter now international. Their objective was developing Small Business enterprises for women and programs to teach job skills to street kids. There were a number of internationals in afghanistan who were doing humanitarian work there. Who really wanted to serve the Afghan People. Over half of the population is female. Of course, in islam, any contact with women with whom you are not related by blood outside of marriage is absolutely forbidden. And so just from a humanitarian standpoint, yeah, there was a very Important Role that female humanitarian workers would have in a place like afghanistan. My plan was to be there forever. I bought a oneway ticket. I wrote my will. I told my parents where to bury my body if i was killed. That motivation to make a difference in the world was a big factor in choosing afghanistan. I wanted to go to a place where the need was great. There were a lot of ngos that were active in afghanistan, including christian ngos. And in afghanistan, as elsewhere around the world, particularly in the muslim world, they are very careful only to do humanitarian activities, and not to get involved in proselytizing because its a crime in the muslim world. Shelter now is not set up as a Christian Organization but the people who worked for shelter now were all christians. So as they would establish relationships with these afghans, they would begin to tell them about jesus christ, et cetera, et cetera. Did you go there with a mission of sharing the word of god, or did you go there to help people . It was both. We couldnt do one without the other. In an islamic culture, talking about religion or faith is usually the first conversation that comes up. So it was much more of a kind of natural flow of life and relationships. It wasnt like, lets go in and take out our bible and say, you know, you have to become a christian. On august 3rd of 2001, we were scheduled to visit an afghan home. It was the home of a family we had known for a long time. And they had requested to watch a movie about the life of jesus. How do people know about the film in the first place . When we would have a trusted relationship with an afghan who seemed to be interested in spiritual conversations, we would let them know, we have a movie about jesus. And we would ask them if they want to see it. It was a very stupid thing for them to do. No question about it. Any time you tried to proselytize, tried to speak to people about christianity, you were taking a tremendous risk. It was about two hours. The film wrapped up. I packed up my stuff, and i came out about 30 minutes late. So when i got in the taxi, i asked them how much extra do i owe you . And he looked at me in the Rearview Mirror with a look of utter terror in his eyes. And then a man dressed in civilian clothes got in the back seat with me. And at that point, i realized these men, theyve come for me. There were eight individuals arrested in afghanistan. Four of them were germans. Two of them were australians. A man and a woman. And then the two american women. All eight individuals shelter now international. Their intention was to make an example of christians working in afghanistan doing anything to undermine the islamic state. According to the taliban law, they could be subject to the death penalty. They might potentially have been beheaded. vo its the holidays at verizon, and the best deals are on the best network. both yes vo with no surprise overages, you can use your data worry free and even carry over the data you dont use. And right now get four lines and 20 gigs for only 40 per line. And, just for the holidays, get a Samsung Galaxy s7 edge for only 15 per month. No tradein required. I love you in that, no, i love you in that. No, i love you in that vo hurry, these offers end soon. Get the best deals and the best network, only on verizon. The taliban is ruling according to their conception of islamic law. The most literal fundamentalist conception that you can possibly imagine. The taliban regime was ruthless. There wasnt anything that they wouldnt do. There were eight individuals arrested in afghanistan. All eight were in shelter now invitational. Under islamic law, the crime for proselytizing was death. After we were arrested, they walked us into this compound, and they opened the door, there standing in front of us were about 35 to 40 afghan women. And that was the first time i broke down and cried. In 2001, i was the cia station chief in islamabad, pakistan. Where i had responsibility for all intelligence gathering operations in both pakistan and afghanistan. In august of 2001, we first got word that these eight individuals, including two young americans, had been arrested by taliban security in kabul. The u. S. Embassy procured the assistance of pakistani lawyer and he is dealing with the legal authorities inside afghanistan. This was not an intelligence matter for us at that point. So gathering information concerning these arrestees was not high in our priority list. In fact it was basically off the bottom. The cell was a concrete room with a concrete floor. The room was very dirty. Chipped paint. I would write in my journal. Id be sitting in the cold with a blanket. O lord jesus, i struggle so much with fear here. Every moment of every day, i battle with the fear that either a taliban or an angry terrorist will kill me. The taliban actually had serious evidence against these people. In fact, they had broken taliban law. It seemed pretty clear they were guilty. This stuff is indicating they were indeed proselytizing in afghanistan. After we were arrested, it basically began three weeks of interrogations. They would bring in taliban officers. I was an employee of the minister of justice assigned to the investigation. I was both an interpreter and also part of the delegation that was asking questions. They would drill us with questions for ten hours at a time. It was, you know, all sorts of questions. It was about your job in afghanistan, how they came into the country and why they were trying to convert muslims into christianity. And why they were taking advantage of the poverty of the people. One day, they came in with whips, and they were going to whip us that day to get information. But there was an afghan talib officer who stepped in and intervened. Why did you want to help them . Because i was feeling that they shouldnt be in jail. If you see somebody in a situation that is not appropriate, i think you have to help. There were almost two classes of taliban. The leaders of the regime, who were the face of evil, and then there were those who were obliged to follow the regime. You were obliged to work with the taliban or face the consequences. They would even torture our relatives around there in our own province. Last sunday their trial started in kabul. The charge, attempting to convert muslims to christianity. A guilty verdict could result in light punishment, deportation as heavy as the death penalty. We were actually brought to the Supreme Court on september 8th of 2001. And there were hundreds of journalists. And that was the first time we knew anybody out in the world really knew or really cared. It was a Huge International from around the world. The taliban was trying to show the world some kind of legitimate trial. And they were preparing for that. If they brought us before the Supreme Court, and said, look, we have given your people a legitimate trial and we have brought evidence against them, and we have found them guilty, no one would be able to say anything about the punishment. Fear just really took over. It was a very scary time. And then all of a sudden, everything changed. We have unconfirmed reports this morning that a plane has crashed into one of the towers of the world trade center. 9 11 changed all of this. Ive directed the full resources of our intelligence and Law Enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. We knew bin laden and al qaeda were behind it. And afghanistan was the paramount safe haven for bin laden and al qaeda. The United States of america makes the following demands on the taliban. Deliver to the United States authorities all the leaders of al qaeda who hide in your land. When we looked at the taliban after 9 11 in afghanistan, we gave them choices. We said, you can join in the fight against al qaeda, or if you decide to stick with al qaeda and bin laden, we would consider you enemies and were going to come with lethal force. At the same time were demanding all these other things, hes not going to forget about these two americans. Release all Foreign Nationals, including american citizens you have unjustly imprisoned. Youre going to do all these other things and turn over these foreigners as well. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. When we heard that speech, we were sitting in a meeting with some like top taliban, and they were laughing on it. The taliban rejected our overtures to turn over bin laden and to break away from al qaeda. Taliban leadership had that opportunity, but they rejected it. And, therefore, these people went from being detainees to hostages. Thats the way we were thinking about it now. A plane has crashed into one of the towers of the world trade center. 9 11 changed all of this. You are with us, or you are with the terrorists. These people went from being detainees to hostages. Thats the way we were thinking about it now. Did it bother you, you had to rescue people knowing they put themselves at risk . It doesnt matter. A member of our tribe. You may be stupid, but youre a member of our tribe. Weve got to help you. On september 11th, my parents came to the prison. We had a 30minute supervised visit. And they left the prison, went to the u. N. Guest house and watched on the television as a second plane crashed into the world trade center. They were evacuated the next day on the very last flight out of the country and knew they had left their daughter in the lions den. The hardest thing is that im not there with her. If i could get back to kabul, i would go. On the night of september 17th, the taliban came to our prison and took our entire shelter now team to another prison considered a high security prison that belonged to the Intelligence Department of the taliban. It was bad. It was worse than the first place. It was a concrete cell with a concrete floor, bars on the window. I had scorpions crawling in my bed covers. I had parasites. There was just a lot of ailments that came from the filth in the prison. And they moved us there in order to basically keep us as political prisoners. And we knew we dont negotiate with terrorists. We understood those protocols. And to be honest, we didnt have the expectation that anybody would come and get us. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al qaeda terrorist Training Camps and military installations of the taliban regime in afghanistan. The war on terror started. It was october 7th when we heard the first bomb fall. And then the bombs just started falling repetitively. They knew there was a war on. They could hear the aircraft flying overhead. I think they had a sense that they were just small pawns caught up in a much larger undertaking. Once that attack starts, the taliban must be saying to themselves, if we release these people, its not going to do us any good. So now it was going to be a matter of either you try to bribe them out in some way or go in militarily and you get them out. Jsoc is known as the joint special Operations Command which is an accumulation of the top special operations units. When 9 11 happened, guys wanted at it so badly, they were dreaming it before they even know what the dream was about. All they wanted to do was go right the wrong. And one of the First Missions that came down was one that was referred to as angry talon, which was to get into afghanistan in the heart of the taliban country and rescue eight hostages and bring them home. After 9 11, i was the commander of cia forces responsible for the intelligence collection and covert action in afghanistan. Even in the middle of the war, deploying teams, engaging in lethal force, beginning the first armed strikes, we never forgot about the hostages. In fact, they remained a priority. Lord, i beg that you would spring open this door and let us go free. My heart hurts so much. I feel like im barely hanging on. She was a young, very emotional girl. She would cry and be scared. The feeling i had from the beginning with the detainees was trying to help them. And then there was also that purpose, if you can figure out a way to keep these people safe. And then eventually released without any harm. So i called the u. S. Embassy and offered to help. We did get into contact with an individual who had a natural reason to go in and out of the prison. And so we get a Satellite Phone to him to communicate in realtime with his cia case officer back in pakistan, which we hoped ultimately might help us to support the military raid to free them. Did you have a code name the embassy gave you . Yes. What was it . It was baaz. There are many motivations that drive a Foreign National to cooperate with the cia. Theres money. Theres ideology. Perhaps compromise, ego, revenge, coercion even. The best sources, the best collaborators, however, are doing it because theyre decent people and they want to do the right thing. And that transcends cultures. Were collecting information through afghan sources. We needed to know everything we possibly could know about the prison. When you start planning a hostage rescue operation, it is absolutely imperative that you get as many of the details as possible because the difference in life and death can be fractions of a second. Theres no end to the detail theyll need if theyre going to launch a successful raid. We knew when we got to that prison that we were going to have a lot of resistance on our hands. There were a ton of fortified taliban positions within and all around that prison. And so if they know that there is a staircase that leads from the ground floor up to the floor where the women are being held, he needs to know how many stairs there are, how high the risers are. The ability to stay flexible and know when you need to deviate left or right or pull back and flank. This source told us where they were being held, how they were being held, how many guards there were, where the guards were, where their weapons were, what their daily routines were like. Our confidence in this one source grew as we learned more and more and basically confirmed his reporting. We worked very extensively on the map to rescue these eight people to kabul. When we rehearse a mission like this, you want to make it as realistic as possible. And so at that point, they built a mockup of the prison and they started exercising to get these people out. The head of the jsoc liaison team came to me and he said, when we train, we never give ourselves this much information. He said, i think we can get them out. As the days went on, not knowing if we would survive eventually just took its toll. Time stood still. Every single hour felt like a day, and every day felt like a week. And every week felt like a month. There were days that it felt like we had been there literally for an eternity. I felt hopelessness. I had kind of pushed god away because i didnt understand why. Im 24. Im barely out of the gate, and now its all over. We had been rehearsing for this approximately two weeks, every night. And starting to define a target date we were going to go do the hit. It was imminent that they were going to rescue the hostages. And then suddenly we got an unfortunate report from our source. They began to move us so that we wouldnt be trackable. They were no longer being held 24 hours a day at that same prison. So if we had set a particular date to go and launch this raid, there was at least a decent chance they wouldnt be there. Once the hostages had been moved to a new prison and we could no longer predict where they were going to be at any given point in time, we had to stand down on the operation. It was no longer possible to launch a rescue mission. When i look at this, im still a little heartbroken that we didnt get to carry this out and do what were chartered

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