Division and malice. It is the spiel. It is a con. Only to benefit his own coffers as followers continue to donate for a cause for an alleged billionaire, despite the fact that that cause is already over. But, again, trump, i argue to you, is the least of our problems. My focus tonight with you is on those who remain, those are empowered his deception. Whose silence should deafen all ears craving decency. The gop is no more. You are nothing but retrumplicans now. If im wrong, where have you been for a month . Trump has never produced a shred of proof of any suggestion, and you know it. Rudy, the other guess jesters. No republican in charge says differently. And you know it. The guy you put in place at the federal level to secure the federal election says there was no substantial fraud. Even bill barr. An attorney general that will be remembered for his bending over backwards to protect the president , even he says the election should stand. And what do we get from you . Instead of echoing the obvious, you join trump in tearing down those who dare to defy. But it is you, men and women, who are in trouble. You have traded loyalty to oath and office to fealty to a toxic man. Who am i talking about . You got mcconnell. You got mccarthy, of course. Thats specific examples. Marco rubio, senator from florida. He sounded the sirens during the campaign. Remember when he looked at you and talked about the Great American of donald trump. A con artist is about to take over the Republican Party and the conservative movement and we have to put a stop to it. Donald trump is a con artist. I will never allow a con artist to take control of the party of lincoln and reagan. Who knew it would be far from his lowest moments . Never say never. Rubio has proven to be every bit of small as trump suggested by calling him little marco. He quotes the bible all the time, but never speaks truth to power. Senator cruz urging the Supreme Court to help overturn bidens victory. He offers no solid basis. This is about the loose ground of an awkward appeal to trumpers who, by the way, will never accept you. The chairman of the Homeland Security committee, senator ron johnson, urging the attorney general to show everybody, ready, show everybody your evidence there was no mass fraud. Are you serious . Senator, please show us evidence that you are not a fool. Lets make this easy. How about asking trump for the evidence that there is fraud . None of them has even asked ever. We know why. They know there is no proof, and they know that it is nothing to do with the truth for trump or for them. You want the truth of how they would see this situation . Just change an r to a d and go back four years. Listen to what the person steering what was the Republican Party, the head of the rnc, ron mcdaniel, said about exactly what shes selling right now. Recount efforts in michigan by jill stein. She was the Green Party Candidate back then. Our friends at cnns k file, they find you when you defy, and they dug this up. In our state, about 1 of the vote is now going to come from michigan taxpayers up to 2 million just so that we can do a recount that will not change anything and she has not shown any fraud or inconsistencies with our election system. It is just something she thinks we need to do. We have integrity in our system. The votes were certified on monday. There has been no evidence of any election issues, fraud or hacking. I think this is a wasted effort. I think it is unfortunate that shes putting the voters of michigan through this process that im confident that in the end donald trump will remain the victor in michigan. Whats changed . Just her interests, not the circumstances. Not a shred of proof. Thats why she and the others are retrumplicans. Shame on you. Trumps disgraced former National Security adviser is now openly encouraging the president to declare martial law and hold a new election. The tweet is here from flynn. How do republicans respond to this . Silence. The suggestion of a coup, silence. Overthrowing democracy is now patriotic . Oh, vaunted protectors of the flag. Be honest and know this. The only flag you have waived for the last four years has been white, a sign of simple surrender. And look where it got you. Sydney powell, trump lawyererish kicked off the team now urging georgia, dont vote. Protest the States November election results. Another trump loyalist, lynn wood joining her, rallying the crowd to chant lockup the republican governor who certified bidens victory there. Now what are you going to do . You see, when you stand for nothing, your party will fall when faced with anything. And thats what we are seeing in realtime. But this is no time, just to point out the obvious about their problems. There must be light in the darkness. And there is a chance for crisis to allow both parties to show their best. When times are at their worst, people Pay Attention and hope for the best. What will we see . History gives us hope. There was division when fdr faced the depression. The new deal was not an easy sell. There was a lot of rejection of the new deal. How did fdr rally the country and thus its representatives . A reminder that governments job boils down to Pretty Simple securing of four freedoms for the person people, illustrated beautifully by normal rockwell and they live throughout history. Everybody thinks thats lincoln a standing up, right . Freedom from want. Freedom from fear. Just the first two alone demand immediate action. This country has not faced fear or want the way it will over the next few months. Not in a generation. The head of the cdc is finally using his voice, warning that the darkest months in u. S. Health history are coming. We just surpassed 100,000 current covid hospitalizations, highest number since the pandemic began. Today we broke another record for deaths. The highest number of a new number of deaths in a day. More than 2,600 lives lost. The United States could be close to 450,000 deaths before february. We cant do better than this . Oh, dont worry. There is a vaccine. When . Not for months. And who told you a vaccine is a cure. Do you get sick, you get the vaccine and youre better . Thats not how it works. We need to rally to the remedies that we control. And our biggest need is leadership. Congress must shake free from trump trauma. Remember what once inspired you to seek office. Do it now. I know you watch the show. Thank you. So allow me to say to you directly, what will you do now . Not weeks from now. The answer may define how you will be republicaned. Remember this. I guarantee you people like me doing this job all over this country will never let people forget who stepped up and who fell back. Now is the time. The challenge is great. The stakes are high, and you are aware. For me and my audience, there is only one direction. Its to take it on. So lets get after it. Chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta joins us now. You are finally hearing from the head of the cdc what he should have been saying, frankly, for months. We got the politics but there is a time for bravery. He is now saying the darkest period in u. S. Health history may be in the coming months. Have you ever heard anything like that . And how might it take shape . Well, you know, i havent heard anything like that. Frankly, hes comparing what is happening now to what happened 100 years ago. And, you know, were obviously a very Different Society now. We have icus, we have hospital care, we have vaccines on the horizon. Yet, these death rates are approximating what we saw 100 years ago and thats what hes reacting to. These numbers, chris, we have seen a million cases, roughly, a week of new coronavirus cases. So its hard to fathom, and we know what trends after that, the hospitalizations which are now over 100,000 and then a few weeks later the deaths. We dont know where this is going to peak at this point. If you look at the models, they say it peaks at the end of this year, beginning of next year, but the real question is how long does it say there then . How long does it plateau . Chris, i got to tell you, i dug into these models closely and where are contingent on this idea there will be statewide mandates that either stay in place or go into place over the next couple of months. If those things dont happen, the number of people they project could die is 650,000 by march 1st. That just gives you an idea. It is like that boiling frog. We get used to hearing the numbers and hospitalizations and hearing about ambulance systems that are starting to fall apart and field hospitalizations in rhode island, high death rates in wisconsin, Surge Capacity in california. I dont know how you could describe this as any worse, but it still can get worse than this. Hes makiing an appeal. There is one basis of pushback for people. You mentioned it early on as a reason of concern. People will say, hey, look, i get it. People are getting sick. Nobody dies. Nobody dies. Look at the health rates per case, per capita. It is so small. Yeah, 230,000, 250,000, 300,000, thats a lot. But look at how many other things we ignore in the society. They kill tons of people, cigarettes, booze. But now you want to shut down the economy that nobody dies from when you look at it from a big scale. What do you say to that . Well, i mean, theyre wrong. Thats what i say. First of all, this could be the second leading cause of death in this country as things are shaping up now. It could be that only Heart Disease would lead to more deaths. This could surpass that, chris, for a disease that didnt even exist really a year ago. So thats part of it. The other part of it is that the vast majority of these deaths are preventable. The vast majority. We have gone through this so many times comparing this to other countries around the world. They dont have a therapeutic or a vaccine we dont have. But their death rates are a minuscu minuscule. People die of all these other things. These are these deaths of despair even prior to this pandemic. What were seeing here is an unmasking of all these terrible things. We are a more vulnerable country because we have so many preexisting conditions and comorbidities. But it is an incredible source of frustration because the numbers we know on the screen every day, they didnt need to happen, the vast majority of them. I hesitate when i say that because i talked to so many families that have lost loved ones. But what can you call it at this point. These are stupid deaths as the Doctors Without Borders call them. So thats what i tell them. We have another big, big challenge. People the vaccine as an unqualified good. I dont. Theyre not going to have enough of the vaccine. Starting with hospital workers and Long Term Care elderly recipients. But hospitals in what areas . What kind of hospital workers . Which Long Term Care facilities. The rich ones . Based on color . Based on class . These are big choices that we wont be able to monitor. Am i getting it right or wrong . This is going to be a resourced challenged distribution process. This is something that everybody wants or the vast majority of people want and there is not enough. So how this is going to be handled is i mean, it is unprecedented what were going through right now. I hope many of the things youre mentioning in terms of the institutional structural biases, i hope they dont perm nate into the distribution of this vaccine, but i think it is a real concern. Im curious to see what happens in the u. K. Over this next week. Hiccups that maybe we couldnt even anticipate. But youre right. I will say this. The states are going to have to make some decisions in terms of triaging these vaccines. We know that. But Health Care Workers across the board, there is 21 million in various locations. Not all of them are the same in terms of their risk for covid. Im a health care worker. Im a neurosurgeon. I dont primarily take care of covid patients. I have colleagues that do. Theyre at the highest risk. So these types of triage decisions will be made not only at the state level but at the institutional level and perhaps even within these longterm care facilities as well. It is not going to be perfect, chris. This issue of as quickly as this vaccine is going to be manufactured, it is going to be distributed. If you get a batch wrong because there is 20 to 25 Quality Control checks they have to go through, lets say one doesnt make it, well, all of a sudden, you will be even farther behind. There will be stutter starts here and there may be some inequities that hopefully get addressed quickly. Right now as has been the case for the last nine months there isnt a National Leadership here. There is no national plan. People are sort of left to scrap and figure it out for themselves, beg and cajole and lead for these vaccines and figure out how to best distribute them. It is no way to do it. The virus hurts the most vulnerable and the system tends to not put them first either. Well stay on it. Thats what our job is. Dr. Sanjay gupta, thank you very much. You got it. All right. So the obvious became news again when bill barr came out to definitively say as the attorney general of the United States, bears no proof of widespread election fraud. I know. I saw the tweets. They tried to clean it up. Not yet. But if any comes, hell tell always of us. But he doesnt have any. Thats the point. 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So what do you think of my apprisal of what has happened to your party, a month of silence as this president , our president , its nominee says the election was a fraud and puts up not a skcintilla of proof. I think it was on that network. About the week of the election where i said my gut, my brain, my experience tells me that joe biden won the election. And since that time, i have seen no evidence to change my position, and we now have the attorney general confirming the same thing. I also said publically that i struggled with the fact that the attorney general given recent criticism or concerns about mailin ballots was directing people at the department of justice to do an investigation about possible mass fraud in this election. And to me, the timing was unfortunate. But i think were in a place now where the transition is moving forward, and i think come january 20th President Biden and his team will be ready to administer and govern this country, and we need him to be ready. And i think he will be ready. But how we get there is predictive of where we go from there. And you have mitch mcconnell, head of the senate, obviously Senior Member of your party, refusing to say that biden is president elect. Other people in office will take the question. They say, well, we have to see where the litigation goes. They know it is going nowhere. In 2016, they dealt with this then in michigan and then in other states and they shot it down, the same way it is being shot down now. What does it mean to you that they refuse to state the obvious . Is it just fear of this president or is your party no more . Well, i cant speak to what the party is today. From my perspective, chris, as i just said, i think whats really important here is that the transition is moving forward. I think come january 20th, there will be a transfer of power. We will have a new president. And we will be governed by new policies. And so i think that right now, yes, there is litigation going on. There is controversy going on, but this is going to move forward. This is the way our government and our country has operated for hundreds of years, and it will continue to move forward. I have faith and confidence thats going to happen. I have faith and confidence mcconnell will ultimately, hell be standing up there on january 20th, im quite confident with that. Im quite confident thats going to happen. And we will move forward, chris. I have to have faith in that. I like the confidence. Im a friend of faith. But we have never seen anything like this before, dean. And you know that. When you were ag, controversy was you firing nine u. S. Prosecutors and people saying that you were politicizing the office. I wouldnt even cover that today in this climate given what bill barr has done. Things that you would be shaken in a sweat out of a nightmare just suggesting it in a dream that you might do these things. This transition was held up for weeks with the complicity of members of your party. We have never seen anything like this. Dont you think there has to be accountability for how we got here if we want to move forward in a better way . I think we take our lead from some of the comments from president elect biden. I think hes looking forward. Now there will be many people that want to look backwards, perhaps, you know, hold people accountable. But whats really important, chris, and i think i think the American People are with me on this. We need to look forward. Weve got so many serious issues confronting our country, and we need to help President Biden be successful in addressing those issues. And, so, again, i dont want to get so wrapped up in whats happened in the past. Lets focus more on what lies in front of us and what we can do to make this a better country for everybody. As long as its not predictive of the future. If this culture of opposition, why i call the republicans look, i got republicans in my family, so it is not about a personal beef. But i say retrumplicans because they wont say anything unless trump says its okay. Why do they think they will make a deal. 200,000 plus dead, the worst unemployment we have seen in generations. Mcconnell came back from break, he cut the deal in half, dean. I dont see why we believe they will do big better than they have done that gets us here. When you are president of the United States, thats tremendous power. It is the most powerful position in the world. Donald trump will no longer be president of the United States. He wont in my judgment have the same level of influence. And im hopeful that sound, mature leaders in the Republican Party are going to step up and do the responsible things to help the American People, to work with the democrats, not compromise their ideals and values but to find solutions for the problems that confront our society. Id just like to know what those ideals and values are in light of what they have been complicit with by being so quiet. Let me ask you a legal question. Selfpardon. There is no guidance. We have never seen it before. Its been in literature but not tested in courts. What would you think if President Trump selfpardoned . Chris, there is nothing in the constitution that prohibits a selfpardon. Our framers clearly understood how to limit that pardon power because they limited it to federal offenses. Here you have an action thats within it is not a judicial action. Some people say how can a man be a judge in his own case . This is not a judicial act. The act of granting a pardon is an executive action. It is in article two of the constitution. So from my perspective, even though i may not like it, and you are right, no courts have ever ruled on this, i think he can make a very strong argument that the president of the United States can, in fact, issue a selfpardon. You think it is a good thing to do. Even if you have the right, is it right . Absolutely not, i dont. But i do believe that what the framers intended that were for a president that does something so heinous as perhaps a selfpardon that the remedy was to impeach him and to remove him from office. Thats where i think the framers intended to respond to a selfpardon or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Alberto gonzalez, dean, thank you very much for coming to us. The best to your family for the holidays. I hope that your faith is rewarded with what we find in our future. Its got to be chris. Appreciate it. Thanks. All right. The president s only niece warned us do not give my uncle four more years. The scariest part, though, to me, is she says, oh, you think this was the bad part . No. The worst is yet to come. Why . Mary trump says shes got the answer because shes working on a new book that examines exactly this. Lets get a little insight next. 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It is not just about if trump got another four years, but as a clinical psychologist who delved into his psyche and understanding the effects that he can have, now that hes on his way out, mary trump still doesnt like what she says what she sees because of what the impact could be even after he is gone. How so . Mary trump, president s niece, author of qualify too much and never enough has a book coming out about exactly this. The book is called the wrec reckoning. Hi, chris. Yeah. I wish it had been the election. But unfortunately two things. One, we didnt get an immediate result which we should have been prepared for, but werent. And secondly biden didnt win in a landslide which is really what we needed in order to repudiate donald, his administration and all of his enablers. So whats happened now is its given him an opportunity to continue to sew division, to continue to act as if there was discrepancies with the vote tally. And because Republican Leadership refuses to take a stand and speak the truth, donald has even more of an opportunity to, you know, stoke his base and sew division among us. And it is very, very dangerous. I would like to counter your case. I could argue that biden has the same electoral margin that trump called a landslide. He had the most people ever come out for him in history. But i agree with you because the second most votes ever went to trump. And they did well on the congressional side. You can look at that either way saying people who are still having misgivings about democrats still voted against trump. But how is the worst yet to come . That is going to depend largely on donalds post inauguration life. Its going to depend on how the Biden Administration or at least bidens attorney general handles the path what may or may not have happened in the last four years, particularly in the 79 days between the election and the inauguration. And its going to depend in part on, you know, whether or not were going to see state charges. I dont hold out much hope for the Republican Party, which is why i didnt mention them. I think theyre going to continue to do what they believe is in their best interest, which for them is always clinging to power no matter what it might do to the rest of the country or to our democracy. Biden has signalled he doesnt want to give any energy to scrutinizing trump. On the state side, we will have to see. Your uncle the other day said to a crowd, were trying to get four more years right now. If not, ill see you in four years. I think thats a ploy. Thats a means to get people to continue to support him financially. Its a way to get people to keep coming to his rallies and to, you know, i believe hes trying to Counter Program the inauguration of President Biden. So i dont put much stock in that very fars reasvarious reas. I think donald will be too busy dealing with lawsuits and dealing with those potential state charges. Hes at 170 million now. He could use it for whatever he wants unless the donation is over 5,000 and i dont know how many of those he has. Well see what they disclose. But it seems like his help me fight this election may be help me fight for my own better future. It may, indeed. And, you know, i think it is disgraceful, of course. But the people who support him are throwing money at him willingly. And i honestly dont know what to say to them. Thats their choice. You dont think hell run again . I dont. I dont think hes going to be able to. I think that hes much more likely to take the position of spoiler because he lost so decisively and because he cannot bear the thought of losing, hes going to put considerable energy, at least as long as hes able to into delegitimizing joe bidens win and his administration, which, again, is terrible for our country. And i think at that point we need to look at the republicans in power and, you know, lay the blame at their feet at that point because they would be in a position to stop this insanity and thus far they seem not to be willing to do that because they know they need donalds base. The retrumplicans. Is the worst just a frenzy of weird pardons and a selfpardon. Do you think he has the power to tell people to resist the inauguration . I think we have some glimpse of what hes capable of in whats going on down in georgia. An election official down in georgia who from what i understand is a republican has made a plea to donald and Republican Leadership to stop sewing doubts about that election because its putting peoples lives in danger. So what does donald do . He doubles down. He doesnt care. You know, hes going to do whatever he needs to do to change the subject, to keep people on his side, to keep people believing that he actually won an election that he lost by at least six million votes. So we need to be on our guard and continue not to put anything past him because, yes, the pardons are demoralizing. Theyre a disgrace. And his, you know, attempt to preemptively partdon and his children and himself, well deal with that when the time comes. Im much more worried about whats going on behind the scenes. We need to be vigilant. Get the book out. You may want to rush it because were living that consequence right now. Mary trump, be well. Thank you for the insight. Thank you, chris. All right. A word for you here about a cnn special event tomorrow night. Youre getting an upgrade. Cuomo primetime is off. Jake tapper will interview president elect joe biden and Vice President elect kamala harris. You do not want to miss that. 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At 52 celia cruz was still winning grammys at 77 john wheeler illuminated our ideas of the universe at 70 and roger crouch was 56 when he first went into space your best is yet to come worst u. S. Health crisis is coming that they have ever seen says the head of the cdc. Worst number of hungry americans since the great depression. Now congress is just talking about helping for the first time in months. They havent met since october on this at the top level. At the same time were learning how badly the last covid relief plan got screwed up. 455 billion wasnt spent. Good reason for that. The Trump Administration gets its way, it is going to be harder for the Biden Administration to spend it. Thats why the current treasury secretary found himself answering questions like this today. Im reading aloud now from section 4027 of the cares act. On or after january 1, 2026 any funds that are remaining shall be transferred to the general fund. In other words, sent back to the treasury. Is it currently the year 2026 . Yes or no . Of course it is not 2026. How ridiculous to ask me that question and waste our time. Well, secretary mnuchin, i think it is ridiculous that you are play acting to be a lawyer. Actually, i had plenty of lawyers at the department who advised me. Are you, in fact, a lawyer . I do not have a legal secretary mnuchin, you are trying to tell chairman powell to send over any remaining funds right now, and youre planning, falsely in my opinion, that that is what the law says, and you arent disagreeing with someone who is a lawyer are you a lawyer . Yes, she is. She is a lawyer, law professor at usc, irvine. Heres our guest now. Congresswoman, welcome back. Thanks very much. Im delighted to be here. The problem youre dealing with is theyre banking on the money not being spent, so going back to him which seems to be a failure. Why didnt all those billions of dollars, hundreds of billions, get spent when the need is so great . The explanation for that goes in the lack of oversight that was baked into some of these programs at the start. And so in this case, the money went to the treasury, the treasury transferred it to the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Reserve spent only a portion of the money. Now, its not necessarily a bad thing, because we still have a great deal of economic need and that money can be used to help businesses reopen, to rebuild customer lists, to recruit and retrain new employees. But secretary mnuchin is trying to stop that. Hes trying to take the money, take it back from the Federal Reserve, even as mr. Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, a man not known for hyperbole, says that the Economic Outlook is extremely uncertain. So we need to listen to him, leave this money where it is and allow the Federal Reserve to step up and use that money to lend to cities and states, because they are in dire need of funds and theyre the ones on the front lines of this crisis. Im pointing it out because that was true then, too, right . And suffering is a coefficient of pain and time. So time has only made a lot of things worse. Thats why i dont know why the money wasnt spent then, and my concern now is why should we expect any better . What reforms were in place to make sure its more efficient and getting money to more people, and not doing the other thing we saw last time, which is giving the money to the banks who give the money to their friends in bigger businesses and not those Small Businesses that we need to feed in our economy right now. So two different programs here. One is the Federal ReserveEconomic Stabilization fund. There i have a lot of confidence in treasury appointee janet yellen. This is someone who ran the Federal Reserve. She is going to work very, very hard and knows every trick in the book to make sure that the Federal Reserve is doing its work. Where we see really bad transparency problems, on one hand the Federal Reserve didnt spend the money. Thats a problem, i agree with you, chris. But where we start with the Paycheck Protection Program is in some ways worse. We have been crying out, my office has been pushing for transparency for this program from day one. We finally got that data yesterday, and what did we learn . We learned that Paycheck Protection Program money designed to support and hold up the smallest businesses in our economy went to trump and kushner properties. And 600 billion of it went to just ten sorry i want to get this right 600 businesses, each got 10 million. 600 businesses, each got 10 million, and yet we cant get the Senate Majority leader to give people to put food on the table and keep a roof over their head. How do you stop that from happening again in terms of who gets the money . Im told that the problem was that the money was given to banks and for the banks to use the discretion of who to exercise unless you were taking care of any patronage or favors on the state side. So how do we not have that happen again . Im a proponent of a somewhat different approach that would achieve, i think, the result were aiming for even better. Its called the paycheck recovery act. And what it would do is use the irs as a tool, use the wage data that we already have to allow people to continue to receive their paycheck even if theyre unable to go to work or their business is shut down where theyve been laid off. This would take out the middle man of the banks. It would also make sure that the Government Funds are going directly to support payroll, to support wages, to keep families out of food bank lines and off the streets from being homeless. So this is a much more efficient way to spend the money, ensuring those who need it get it. They need their relief checks, congresswoman. You got to fight for the relief checks. If its just through the programs, all that does is isolate need but doesnt reflect the reality that so many people are fragile. And that 600, that 1200 for rent assistance, that kept a lot of people from going under. They werent thriving, but if you neglect them and its not in the proposal right now thats been offered up by those problem solvers or whatever they call themselves in the senate, thats going to be a problem for people. You think you can get the checks . I hope so. And one of the things thats making me really frustrated right now is when i hear people talk about this as stimulus. Lets be clear. It is not stimulus money. To give people money so they can feed themselves, so they can keep clothes on in the winter, so they can avoid eviction, thats not stimulus. Youre absolutely right that its not enough just to do some unemployment, its not enough to do more with food assistance, people need that direct assistance. All of the research on this interestingly shows that direct cash money to families, allowing them to decide how to spend it, actually is the most efficient use of our tax dollars. Partly because that money cant be distorted by special interests like wall street banks along the way. Ill tell you what, secretary mnuchin doesnt like you. And thats okay. Thats okay, i dont like him. Ill tell you what, i dont know whether you like him, but you asked him the right questions. And the way he answers them says everything about where we are right now. I hope we get to a better place. Well see what happens with those who remain after trump is gone. Congresswoman, the best to you and your family going through the holidays. Katie porter, thanks for being on the show. Thank you. Well be right back. 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