By summer, we will be able to go back to offices and open up those restaurants and bars and say, okay. We are in a completely different stage than right now, where were headed into this significant increase. I mean today, you know, was just another record day with almost 2,000 deaths. I could see, though, even in the summer, even if ive taken the vaccine, i could see and i would take the vaccine if i could get it. I could see still carrying a mask with me if i found myself on a particularly crowded subway or if i found myself in some situation. I feel like masks are, at least for me, here to stay whether its constant or not. Well, the amazing thing is how little flu were seeing, and thats the behavioral change. The mask has very little downside. Nobody so there will be some residual. Will we have big Sports Events by then, or does that take even longer . But certainly, you know, to lay the groundwork so that the next school year is completely normal, we can get the whole country, every city back into school, i think thats achievable and a very important goal to have in mind. Bill, as i said, the first time we got to interview you, sanjay and i, was march 26th, and youve been just a calming and such an authoritative and smart voice on this. And i just, as a citizen, i really appreciate the opportunity to speak to you and get information across because in this crazy, difficult, surreal time we live in, its nice to talk to somebody who knows exactly what theyre talking about and has some perspective on this. So thank you very much. And a little bit of good news too. Yes. Even better. Thanks. Bill gates. The news continues. Lets hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. Thank you very much. Im chris cuomo. Welcome to prime time. Weve got tony fauci tonight. First we have major election developments on our watch. Georgia a audit is over. The state with the republican governor and officials in charge of the election, they say biden won. They counted the ballots. There was an adjustment, but it didnt matter. Thats a big win. But the biggest win for biden today, i argue, came courtesy of Rudy Giuliani. What he suggested today on Live Television revealed the truth. There is no rational argument for delay by trump, not anymore. And there is no further justification not that there ever was for deadheaded denial by his party. Literally judging what rudy said today, i have only heard its equal in an intervention with someone who was literally insane. Now, everybody is talking about this, how rudy looked. And they will suggest that the picture tells the story. Now, ill get to what i think all this was about. But what i know and what matters more is that this action was the best thing rudy had going today because it distracted from what he was saying. This was his case to you. The vote was a fraud, and you were all in on it. There was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud specifically focused on big cities and specifically focused on, as you would imagine, big cities controlled by democrats. And they control Law Enforcement, and unfortunately they have some friendly judges that will issue ridiculously irrational opinions just to come out in their favor. That could have been mickey mouse. That could have been a dead person. That could have been not filled out properly. As shocking as what hes saying is, how is that lawyer behind him smiling . Is she smiling watching her future go away . Biden and staff, democrats in states, and republicans in states in charge, all the workers, the judges, any Law Enforcement investigating or even overseeing, and even voters like you you were all in on it. This was the conspiracy equivalent of swingin for the fences, a hail mary, but he never had the ball in his hands. He might have well have started screaming attica, at titicaatt thats how crazy it was. This is the argument. Theres no reason to joke around about him. The more serious you take it, the more effective it is in understanding where we are. The conspiracy allowed ballots to be stolen from trump but still rewarded to republican candidates downballot on the same ballot at the federal and state level. And dead people voted, mickey mouse. Except the live people that he and others said were dead but were later literally found in their homes alive. Now, my take on the picture of the day is this. The argument is so embarrassing that hes making that b. S. Was literally coming out of rudys ears. But, again, this was mess was as good as he did because it was a blessing that distracted from the message, okay . And that message is what seals his fate and trumps, and heres the key. What were telling you is supported by evidence. As simple as that. Heres his mistake. You never try to prove a conspiracy. You just make wild suggestions that are hard to completely disprove. That moment was the gift to biden because rudy and the smiling suckers behind him had nothing to offer in the way of proof today. And then they made the lethal mistake. You dont understand proof. It takes place in court. What a mistake. This entire farce could only survive if it stayed in the Kangaroo Court of public opinion. Why . Trumpers will largely believe anything that theyre asked to believe by trump. Thats why hes been so teflon. Theres no objective basis for his lies other than the media telling you facts, and he killed us off a long time ago with his people. So he was judgmentproof. I submit the trump phenomenon is a modernday milgrom experiment. Regular folks complying with instructions to keep shocking their colleagues. His followers must accept any and all jackassery for the same reason the people in the experiment did. They are told it is necessary to do this for the experiment to continue, and theyre all in on the experiment. Theyre all in on trump. But heres the mistake again. That fiction needed to never be tested, and rudy and the trumpets made the mistake of going to court a lot. More than 30 lawsuits across six states michigan, pennsylvania, arizona, nevada, georgia, wisconsin. All the places they needed people to believe the farce, they went in and tested the facts. And just today they lost in three states, and they won almost nowhere and for nothing. More often than not, their case was about the same fraud farce that rudy sweated out today. In pennsylvania, a judge found, quote, there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety. Same case. In arizona, the judge asked pointblank, what evidence is there that someone messed with Voting Machines . The trumpet standing for the case couldnt answer. Thats because the lawyers stink, said rudy. In what may be remembered as the most egregious hold my beer moment in political history, rudy went to make the case himself, and here it was. The number of voter fraud cases in philadelphia could fill a library. Its a fraud, clearly voter fraud. What im describing to you is a massive fraud. See, repeating is a rhetorical device. Hence the trump threestep. Some say the guys dirty. Is he dirty . Seems dirty. Guess hes dirty. That works rhetorically with the home crowd, not in a place that isnt desperate to believe what you say. And when asked by a judge where rudys proof of fraud was, you know what he said . This is not a fraud case. Rudy and the rubes never produced evidence in court to make anything meaningful change. Dozens of cases. Not ever, not anywhere. So his big shot today, wait until we go to court. That would wind up being a kill shot to his credibility. As he spouted more and more nonsense, not only did he start to sound like trump, he literally started to take on his pallor. He literally started to change colors while he was giving his press conference. And yet i argue he still looked better than all those Trump Officials who are standing by silently, the same crew were all about proof during impeachment. Remember this riff . Theyd rather impeach with no proof. These guys want to keep stirring it up based on no direct evidence whatsoever. Presumption has now become the standard instead of proof. Because the entire case is built on a presumption. Remember them because remember back then, what about this meeting . I dont know. How about this email train . Eh. How about these texts . What about the transcript . What about this witness who said it was happening . Yeah, no, its just not enough. It doesnt satisfy the appetite. Now theyre okay asking you to help overturn an election for president with literally no proof. Remember them. Rudy has been made a fool for this fraud, but the members of congress who also know it is a fraud, who rejected a real case full of proof about the president and his pawns, they must be remembered because they are banking on you falling prey to one of the darkest aspects of deception. The quote is famous. People who can be made to believe absurdities can be capable of atrocities. So they stand by and hope you buy in to the b. S. And that you will help them steal an election. Thats why i argue that the gsa head, emily murphy, she deserves more attention. Why . Shes willingly holding up the transition to the next administration, and she knows theres no proof of any good reason to do so. Shes smiling while youre dying all over this country. Mcconnell and others say its always this way. We vote. We settle differences, and we transfer power. Yeah, if there are real causes for concern. But despite rudys melting moment, we have 30 cases in different states, and theyve all shown nothing. In that event, the normal process is what . Transition. See, mcconnells not just playing politics. Hes playing with a pandemic, and were all paying the price in blood and sweat and tears and hunger and poverty. Congress, no relief payments. President tantrump, ignoring everything to do with the office except how to keep it. The task force hasnt met in months. Today they do, but they take no questions. And that is why almost 80 million of you rose up to oust trump. But i end where i began. Only one american sealed trumps fate, and that happened today. And that was Rudy Giuliani. He became a metaphor for the campaign melting into a dark puddle of deception. So what did this day mean for the future of that effort and our efforts to do anything about this pandemic . Lets talk politics, pandemic. David gregory, anthony scaramucci. Gentlemen, thank you for your patience. David, where does this leave the trump effort after what we saw today with rudy . Well, i thought your takedown was complete and doesnt need to be added to. You must. It is a farce. Sorry . You must. I must add to it. Look, i mean it is a farce, and i think what republicans in washington have been waiting for is the rather quick burn of the legal challenges without evidence to play themselves out so they dont have to actually stand up and say that whats happening here is an actual erosion of democracy and failure of government during a medical crisis that is global. So this isnt just giving the old guy some room to lick his wounds. As our reporting from dana and gloria indicate, the president knows what the game is here. Hes just deluding himself. He is the leader of the Grievance Movement to try to seek revenge against democrats and not caring about the office he holds, hell run it down. But i think, you know, how ridiculous giuliani and others who are supporting these efforts seem, its like cotton candy. It just it evaporates so quickly. Theres nothing to it. So if youre inclined to want to believe in some sort of venezuela, you know, communist conspiracy, which i dont think even a lot of Trump Supporters want to believe, i think theres a lot of thoughtful people out there who voted for trump for lots of different reasons. I think its a real blow, but it doesnt excuse your other point, which is this is now becoming a real crisis. This cannot be allowed to keep happening. Were losing too much ground. Anthony, how did your phone blow up today during the rudy moment in terms of other republicans who were figuring out what they to after this . Listen, its bad. Theres a big schism inside the party. Theyre trying to even figure out whats going to happen at the rnc chairmanship level. The donors are super unhappy. Thats not going to surprise you, chris. The Great Sadness for me is you had the mayor on september 11th. I was on the show right after him, and we were talking about 9 11, and now were fastforwarding 19 years to this debacle, which is staining and tarnishing his legacy forever. I wish somebody that really loved him would have an intervention and tell him to stay home. I dont know why no ones doing that for him. But secondarily and more importantly, the president needs a shove now. The willing accomplices in the senate have to knock it off, and they have to shove the president like every great bully, he will topple immediately. But if they dont shove him, hes going to keep digging in. Hes going to make things worse at the pentagon. Hes going to make things worse at dhs. Hes going to continue to push as long as no one is pushing back on him, chris. So weve got to do that, and a big shoutout to the city of philadelphia, the cradle of democracy, and judge baldi for denouncing these guys today. To your point, chris go ahead, david. What rudy did today is actually going to stain republicans hands because what your takedown demonstrates, theyre going to say, look, what do i have to put my neck out there for . Let this just burn itself out. I mean these guys are running this into the ground. Let them appease the people who want to believe in all this stuff. And then mcconnell is sitting back basically winking, saying, look, theres going to be a transition. Lets not worry about it. But nobody wants to put their Political Capital on the line, which is the saddest part because of the damage thats being done because of what we talked about last night. That republicans who are in power are happy to sit back, let rudy and others do this work so more and more republicans i dont think all. As anthony describes, i think there is a schism. We see it in the Business Community saying, stop the nonsense. But theyre happy to sit back and let more and more people think that biden cheated because, as you would say, why . Because that means that theres more political backing for blocking what biden wants to do, blocking what the democrats want to do. Thats our politics, and we also live in an age that George Orwell worried about, which is the loss of objective truth. And now rudy and his cohorts play into that, and shorter cycles, less democracy. Thats really what is at stake, and people have to face up to that. Whats the plus minus in the party, anthony, in terms of the power of what david was just articulating, which we saw Kevin Mccarthy say, look how many people believe this, versus how screwed are we to live with this legacy every time we want to try to have high ground in an argument in the biden conversation, were going to get beaten to death with this. Whats the plus minus right now . So theres a mirage going right now. The people that are with trump want you to believe that its all encompassing. But its clearly not true. Like everything about trump, underneath the surface there, theres great discontent. When he leaves, theres going to be a massive schism and literally a civil war inside the party worse than the jerry Ford Ronald Reagan schism. If they have a cleansing and a rebirth of that party, theyll be fine in 2024. If they dont, theyre going right into the dustbin of history. So well see what happens. This mirage of the 70 Million People, chris, theyre voting for themselves. I was a bluecollar kid. Theyre voting because theyre economically desperate and they feel left out of the system. When you talk to them on the ground, they despise the president s personality and the bell kosity of his rhetoric. Most of them do. We can do better than this. He was the wrong messenger for their movement, and the real smart republicans know that. And i think the fights going to start on january 21st. But just to davids point quickly, weve got to move now, though, david because theres so much cowardice going on right now. If we dont move, none of the certifications the certifications dont end until december 1st if you look at the certifying websites. We dont want to wait that long. Every day is damaging the integrity of our democracy, and its changing our perception globally that we can be walked on by a demagogue. Im begging our republican friends to stop. This is where the Business Community has to step up. Jamie dimon cant be alone. Hes not even a big republican. He was aligned with obama there for a minute, and now he, you know, hes more independent. But theyve got to step up and say, stop the madness here. Its going to affect everything not just our standing in the world, but the economy, the Financial Markets and all the rest. The other hook is the pandemic. Here we have a Vice President of the United States outgoing who runs this Coronavirus Task force in this moment of crisis, wont take a question. I dont care whether you like biden, dont like biden, youre a trump person, you ought to expect more from your leaders, especially if you say these leaders are willing to talk truth and lay it on the line and arent afraid of consequences. Theyre running squacared and letting Rudy Giuliani lead this effort. And context is everything. This isnt happening in a vacuum. This is happening in a pandemic. David gregory, anthony scaramucci, thank you. So lets talk pandemic, okay . Im not going to be distracted by what happened with rudy, but im telling you it was dispositive on the legitimacy of these delay efforts. Its over. Its done. Him melting down like that today, that was the least of his problems. Its over. If the republicans dont get it, its on them. The pandemic has to be our focus now, okay . We just got word that another singleday coronavirus record has been shattered. Why do the records matter . Why do the numbers matter . Because were getting worse. Forget about the numbers. The reality is were getting worse. Trump wasnt at the first public Coronavirus Task force briefing at the white house today in more than six months, and you know why. Hes not about this pandemic, and theyre not letting us transition to an administration that is. Thats where dr. Anthony fauci comes in. He was there today, and hes back here for an extended interview where we can talk about the real