Actions. I dont believe that. No. I dont believe that. I think the police do an incredible job and i think you do have some bad apples. That question wasnt even for him. He jumped it. Because he wants to control the narrative. There is no big problem. Couple bad apples. I think its the orchard. Not just a few apples. Its not about all the police. Its not about people having black hearts. No soul. Its not what it is. It is a cheap excuse. Its about the system. Its about the money we put in and the results we get out and the way we calibrate the two. Its about how we train, how we explain, and how we coordinate. Its big. And its not just policing. Its lending. Its educating. Its hiring. Its paying. And its loving. And he knows it and he wont say it because he doesnt think it sells. He literally doesnt think that this country treats some people differently than others especially on the basis of color and perceived class. And he is wrong. That is why joe biden went there. Can he sell a different message . He certainly was talking as if he lives in a different world from trump. The underlying racism institutionalized in the United States still exists, has existed for 400 years. And so whats happened is that we end up in a circumstance like you had here in kenosha and have here in kenosha. What do you have here . You got two older white guys, true. But after that these two men bear no resemblance in message or mentality. Trumps pitch is clear. Single word. Fear. First it was muslims. Remember . Islam hates us. Got to ban them. Muslim ban is what i call it. Changed it because the courts forced him to because this is america. Then it was mexicans. The brown menace. As i say he constructed. Coming for your women and your jobs. Theyre all ms13, you know, bringing drugs. Killers. Now his puppets on state news put pictures to his latest pretentiouses. Blacks are out of order. We need strength. Get things back under control. Do you believe systemic racism is a problem in this country . Well, you know, you just keep getting back to the opposite subject. We should talk about the kind of violence that weve seen in portland and here and other places. Its tremendous violence. Now, if you would have asked him, why they were on the streets . What led to the violence . Was it random . Did they put out a message . Was it a tiktok dance gone rogue . There is a reason theyre hitting the streets, mr. President , right . Isnt it your job to at least acknowledge it . I think this message would be more familiar to us in our collective history if trump had been giving it with a lot of big dogs around him and fire hoses. Fear the others. If you get out of line, if you want more than we say you can have, youll get the hose. Youll get the dogs on you. Weve been there before. That is not who we are anymore. Now, can you sell the other side . Because fear sells. So biden is saying, yeah. I can. You cant scare people into defiance of reality. Well, i think whats been unleashed with a lot of people is they understand that fear doesnt solve problems. Only hope does. Ill tell you what. Theyre coming after him. Wake up, joe. This is a fight. Got to act like it. You got to get up. You got to have energy. I know that sounds ridiculous. Given the context of where he was. But this is politics. And this fight is about peoples passions. He met with the blake family, biden. They didnt want to see trump. You know why. He spoke to jacob blake, himself, on the phone, who is paralyzed in the hospital, now out of the icu. Heres how biden discussed it. He talked about how nothing was going to defeat him, how whether he walked again or not he was not going to give up. Now, there is compassion in that, but there is another side, also. And the president is going to court it very aggressively. I understand why. That side is, why are you being so nice to blake . He really a victim in all this . Listen. If we can help, were going to help, but it is a question. Its under investigation. A lot of things happened with that. And other things, frankly, that were looking at very, very closely. Now, its not exactly the same. Ive heard a lot of you say this is like mccain being a loser for getting captured. Not exactly. Not exactly. This is not just brazen disrespect for disadvantage. Its about justice. Its about what is fairness under law . Blake did we saw the video blake did apparently resist arrest. So whats the argument . All right. So blake is not blameless. Okay. Stipulate to that. Accept it. But what is trumps argument . Whatever happens after that is okay . Its okay that he got shot . But for your resisting this wouldnt have happened, so its on you. No, the police are the ones that we invest with our belief in their duty to represent our best interests. They are trained to deescalate. They are trained to not deal with the force that comes their way. They are trained to be better than what they deal with. The president thinks that the way he handled it led to a win in kenosha. Listen. Biden went there today. There was nobody there. There was nobody there. He was a little late. I was going to say, hey listen, we ended that problem. Its not a rock concert, mr. President. The governor of wisconsin called for the National Guard a day before trump reached out to wisconsin officials. Are all people being policed the same way now . Is that the win . Or is it about your popularity . Do you give a damn about the people in kenosha . Or did you go there to help yourself . Boy, the answer seems painfully obvious, doesnt it . Youre not going to hear it over on state tv. Youre not going to hear it from his puppets and the fopish frauds that tell you a different story that everything is going to hell in a hand basket but it doesnt matter that its on his watch. Oh, yeah it does. What is his real answer . Hes got a fix. You know what helps inequality . Less resources. What . Yeah. Tell trump if it makes no sense. His new solution to the outcry over injustice is to cut off funding to cities that are led by democrats. Does he realize that republicans live in those cities, too . And that a lot of cities that are in trouble in america are led by republicans . Not as many as democrats because the bigger a Population Center gets the more they usually seem to elect democrats. But he swore an oath to protect everybody, didnt he . Not just white people who like him . Another stark contrast between trump and biden in kenosha goes way beyond the issue there. Now, biden has a mask on. Did he have to . Lets argue no. But he did it to send a message to us. Trump never does it. Never. Trump told the crowd indoors they should take theirs off if they were more comfortable. Then tonight he mocked biden for wearing what he, himself, told us was our patriotic duty to wear. Listen. But did you ever see a man that likes a mask as much as him . And then he makes a speech and he always has it, not always but a lot of times he has it hanging down because, you know what . It gives him a feeling of security. Congressman, give me your mask. I want to have it from my i dont want to touch your damn mask. Listen, dont ever argue to me again that the president gets what we need to do in this pandemic. He said we have to wear masks. You know, they gave them mixed messaging in the beginning. But he knows it. He wore it. He says it. He says it is your patriotic duty. That is b. S. He said it because he had to. Because he was getting his ass beat all over the country for ignoring the one preventative we have social distance, wear the mask, wash your hands, be smart. He doesnt think its patriotic to wear a mask. He doesnt think anything is patriotic except backing him. And if you dont, god have mercy on you, because hes coming. Hes coming for you worse than any virus ever. Trust me. But dont you tell me, dont be unfair. He wants people to wear masks. He said it. No, he doesnt. You just saw him mock it and its not a joke. He thinks anything thats not good for him is a joke. Im telling you, its a mistake. He is the leader of this country and we are not out of the woods in this pandemic. We could get out of them. We dont have to be sick forever. But we have to do the right things. And he is not telling us what we need to hear. Thats why his supporters think theyre showing support for him by not showing support for one another and letting each other get sick. You dont think people have gotten sick at his rallies when theyre not covered . Hes not going to admit it. But he is a damn liar. And we know they are. And the responsibility matters and it is his. So now were coming up on labor day. We know what that means. Big groups. We know what that could mean. Big surge. Lets discuss. Dr. Emmanuel, former Obama White HouseHealth Policy adviser, author of which country has the worlds best health care . This is a subject that he has broken down in very readable fashion. Bravo to zeke. He also serves on bidens campaign Coronavirus Task force, so thank you for joining us. Good luck with the book. Thank you. Zeke, the president says, listen. Nobody knew what the hell was going on with coronavirus. They were giving me mixed messages. Even the mask. Dont do it. Youll touch your face, make yourself sick. As soon as i got a handle on what was going on i did all the right things. Nobody handled it better than us. We got the best death rate in the world. Were handling as well or better than anyone else. True . False. You just have to look at places like taiwan, new zealand. Both of those countries taiwan has 24 million people. Fewer than 500 cases. Seven deaths in the entire country. The economy is going. New zealand 5 million people, fewer than 500 cases, and also fewer than ten deaths and even places that have done poorly like italy, they were in terrible shape in march. They peaked around march 26th or 27th toward the end of march and then by may they were the end of may they were very low and they actually were that way for most of the summer until the august vacation when people ignored all of the Public Health measures. So many other countries have done much better than us. You know, we did hit a peak of 66,000 cases per day. Were now down to 40,000, about 33 less. But we have a long way to go. We have to get below 10,000, below 5,000 new cases a day. We have to be vigilant in precisely the way the president hasnt urged us to be vigilant. You assess the Health Care System of the u. S. And ten other countries. Where do we fall . Were not in the top ten. I would say were not the worst but were not in the top ten. In terms of response, because you know all clinicians like you keep arguing that they dont even like me mentioning our death rate because they say, you know, you are punishing our Health Care System for being so good at keeping people alive. And that that is actually a skewed metric. So give me a reason why we didnt do well. We didnt do well for a whole series of reasons. First of all, as you know, we didnt lock down the country and put into effect the Public Health measures. While we were putting into effect the Public Health measures building up our testing capacity, our tracing capacity, and our ability to isolate people so that if we had small outbreaks we could suppress them, we still dont have good testing. Weve gotten to a maximum of 800,000 tests per day, and its actually been dropping in the last couple of weeks not increasing. Most experts like myself think we need to be at 5 million at least a day. We dont have the infrastructure in place for that. The president has not been able to solve that problem. He assigned it to jared and its not been solved. That is just one sample of the many factors, you know, ppe is not distributed in the right places. The drug remdesivir hasnt gone to the right hospitals. Its gone to some with a low number of cases not hospitals with the high number of cases. And the outbreak has moved. It was in new york. Then its the south, the west. Now its in the midwest. Missouri and iowa are the big focal points. My fear is that now that it moves into less Populated Areas people wont be wowed by the numbers. But it doesnt mean it is not impacting communities very hard in the heartland. Thats why we got to keep covering it even if the numbers arent overwhelming. Vaccine sooner equals better for us in this pandemic. So if they can do it, trump has pulled off a major, big move right before the election. Fair analysis . Oh, yeah. Hes counting on it. What is interesting is, you know, other countries listen to their scientists and have empowered their scientists. The countries that have tended to do well have given the scientists the authority to actually drive things and dictate how the procedures ought to go. Places that havent done well like the United States, like brazil, like mexico, have tended to ignore science. And weve seen over and over with hydroxychloroquine, with the convelescent plasma, where weve approved them with emergency use authorizations only to have to pull them back because it was political pressure that led to their approval. We saw with convelescent plasma the fda really didnt want to approve it. Trump had a tweet storm over last weekend and they came out and said, okay. Were going to give it emergency use authorization. They actually completely made up the data, even the authors of the study said they misquoted them. You can see what political pressure does to an agency like the fda. And i am very afraid. If we get the vaccine sooner than just about everybody else doesnt that show that were ahead in terms of dealing with the pandemic . No. It doesnt show that were ahead at all. What is interesting is that were doing a lot of these vaccine studies in the United States and you have to do those studies where there is a big outbreak. Most countries like germany or norway you cant do the study because there arent enough cases. In the United States there are so many cases you can do the vaccine trial and that shows you how bad were actually doing in this country that we have enough cases to actually do the vaccine study. Now, zeke has known me a long time. I dont have the acumen to give you all the answers on what you should think about everything. Thats why i bring on people like dr. Zeke emanuel. I do believe in home work though. I do believe in the grind. If you read, which country has the worlds best health care . You will get a much better analysis than i have ever offered you or i have seen offered about why the different fates were what theyve been to this point in Different Countries and in different systems. It is worth the read especially before the election. Dr. Zeke emanuel, god bless, good to see you, be well. Thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it. Always a pleasure. We have one of the Community Leaders who met with former vp biden today in kenosha. What does he see as the problem there . Did it end the way the president proclaimed . What is the way forward . Next. As business moves forward, were all changing the way things get done. Like how we redefine collaboration. How we come up with new ways to serve our customers. And deliver our products. But no matter how things change, one thing never will. You can rely on the people and the network of at t. To help keep your business connected. Where Everybody Knows someyour name ant to go and theyre always glad you came applebees. 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Theyre going to take your strengths and use them against you. He was doing social distancing so our president can make fun of the fact there was no one there but the people in that room are the people that are going to be doing the work to rebuild this community. Not just on a building level so you can come in and hand out the money but we also know that our spirits have been hurt. And the Vice President spoke to the restoration of the american spirit. The president , he lacks empathy. I think that is really the difference. I was able to see someone who saw our pain and knew we didnt need a big event. It was kind of interesting. The last two times ive been able to just sit and be a the peace was when i met with senator baldwin yesterday and today when i met at the church with the Vice President joe biden. No phones. No cell phones going off. None of these no emails, no fires to put out. Just and thats restorative to the soul. Let me ask you something. Of course the president is going to mock the mask. He thinks masks are weakness. Of course he is going to make fun of the crowd size. He sees that as the only metric that matters. Again, he thinks the pandemic is a joke so social distancing is therefore a joke to him. I tell you what he says isnt a joke. You crazy blacks and you kooky white allies running around burning up your communities. Thats the problem. No such thing as systemic inequality whatever that means. Its too many syllables. Got a few bad apples in the cops. But you guys are the problem. You need some law and order not some mushy biden coming up there and talking to the guy who may be a criminal in the first place. How do you deal with that message because it resonates loudly in the president s ranks and your state as you know has a lot of trump supporters. I would say that if you ask the blake family, we need more policing. I dont think they would agree with you. That shooting happened two blocks away from my house. You talk about the state of wisconsin and the narrative that often goes down is that in 2016 the domino of kenosha fell and thus wisconsin fell. Sometimes its hard not to be paranoid and think that we were targeted before the mailin ballots come out and all that stuff. I dont know who i dont know why we are i