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CNNW Cuomo Prime Time June 4, 2020

That makes life all the sweeter. All four officers involved in last weeks killing of george floyd in minnesota were charged today. Now, theres a new seconddegree murder charge against the first officer taken into custody, derek chauvin. That is the guy with his knee on floyds throat. The three others now all face charges of aiding and abetting. Seconddegree murder. And aiding and abetting manslaughter in the second degree. Now, this is an interesting array of charges as was the change to the charm for officer chauvin. They will be met with relief by many. However, they will also present challenges for the prosecution even with the video. Ill take you through that. And tonight, theres another case being made and it is said to be the truth about this president. Retired general james mattis, the original Trump Defense secretary, said what he has seen in the last few days of unrest forced him to tell you all what he says he knows to be true. Mattis writes, some 50 years ago i swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. Never did i dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional Rights of their fellow citizens, much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander in chief. Donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American People, does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our constitution. Listen. None of us has ever heard somebody in that kind of position Say Something like this about the president they served. We have former cabinet secretary, this one from the obama administration, former Homeland Security chief jeh johnson with us tonight. First, im going to get with you in a second, jeh, i want to check in with Jason Carroll in brooklyn where protesters are facing off with police. Whats going on . Reporter well, it started out as a peaceful protest, and this is how it has ended. You can see there are dozens of Police Officers here now. Let me just sort of give you a sort of rundown of what happened here. Basically, we had several hundred marchers who came up to cabin plaza. You know that area, chris. Yep. Reporter its where you got several government buildings including the brooklyn courthouse. There was a standoff with police. At that point, the demonstrators turned around and were heading away. They surrounded a police car and at that point, a number of officers came and the situation divolved into what you see now. Saw police make several arrests. They said some of the protesters who were here confronted police in an aggressive manner and so at this point, we still have a standoff. Weve been moved to the back side of this flank of Police Officers that you see here. In front of that, and i hope we can get a view of that, there are still a couple hundred protesters who are on the other side. So the standoff now continues, but a few moments ago, it was a number of officers who had rushed in, made several arrests of demonstrators who were out here and, you know, this is exactly what some of these demonstrators did not want to see happen. Some of them were shouting peaceful demonstration, peaceful demonstration. They did not want to see this. Right. Reporter they feel like when Something Like this happens, its really taking away the message that theyre trying to achieve here. Right. And also, look, lets be honest, jason, there are a lot of people especially in politics who want to paint the demonstrators as the problem. They want to treat the symptom of this unrest and ignore the illness of what brought people out into the streets. And they dont have to be tranquil. They can yell, they can blame, they can shame, they can be angry, they can be up in the face. When they cross the line and it becomes illegal and dangerous to others, youre going to have a problem, yes, they do lose leverage. Jason, keep your eye on it. Let us know what happens. Ill come back to you right away. Lets go to jeh johnson right now. This is a man well aware of a line behind righteous indignation and lawlessness as someone who was in charge of keeping the homeland safe. Do you believe, my friend, that what were seeing in the country right now will get us to a di t different place or is it more of the same . First, chris, its good to see you back in the chair. Thank you. Particularly in your trying times. I believe that were at a Tipping Point in our nations history. I believe that the events of minneapolis last week were finally a wakeup call to all americans about what Many Americans have been saying now for years, that black lives matter and i cant breathe, and we saw a vivid display of that last week. The grievance is real. The grievance is valid. And all of us have now seen the evidence of it. We are seeing demonstrations across this country like we havent seen since 1968. And so action is required. It is unfortunate that right now our national leadership, elected national leadership, seems unwilling or uncapable of addressing this situation and trying to bring people together. But the American People, themselves, seem to have awoken to this great tragedy and this great injustice and are engaging in the finest traditions of peaceful protests. Protests, lets not forget, is a form as Martin Luther king said is a form of language for those who feel that their voices are not heard. And were seeing this right now across this country. Some of it is crossing into violence. And violence gives the other side of the debate the upper hand and cedes the moral high ground, so im pleased to see that much of the violence is receding, but those concerned about whats happening continue. Jeh, have you ever heard anything like what general retired general mattis just said about the president he served . I know jim mattis. I know his values. I know hes a student of history. My faith in jim mattis is basically river deep, mountain high. And i was not at all surprised to see what jim had to say today. I hes a man of hes a man of faith. Hes a man of character. I was not at all surprised. But it is stunning to see someone who served in a president s cabinet just a little over a year ago give such a stunning rebuke. Do you agree with the assessment that this is a president who doesnt even try to unite the country . And if so, what do you think hes trying to do . Chris, over and over again in this context and in others, this president seems interested in only playing to his base. Its as if youre talking to youre in a room full of 100 people and you decide to only talk to 20 or 30 of them rather than all 100 of them. Whether its the subject of immigration, whether its this, whether its covid. This president seems only to be interested in talking to his base and solidifying his base. Every other president in my lifetime, as jim said today, tried to bring people together. Particularly in challenging times like this. This is a time to bind the wounds together. To bind us together and heal the wounds. In terms of what should be happening now, you know, the president s making a political play here that this is all you guys. This is the democrats that are in these Fringe Groups that are creating all this chaos to destroy our democracy and these protesters are doing bad things and even wraps up people like me in it. I say, hey, nobody says a protest has to be peaceful, meaning that passive and tranquil. People should be angry, voice, they should blame, they should shame. Thats all allowed in america even if it makes people uncomfortable. Do you believe there is a role for federal forces, troops, in dealing with what you see on americas streets . Lets be careful how we characterize it. There is a role for Law Enforcement. Law enforcement is there to preserve and protect the peace. Law enforcement is there to protect and serve and protect even the demonstrators. Even those engaging in peaceful protest. Supplementing local Law Enforceme enforcement, the National Guard controlled by the governors when its appropriate when you have largescale protests, demonstrations, of the type we are seeing right now. What is not appropriate, and what is wholly contrary to american values, is to deploy the active duty military to the streets of the United States. There are laws against what we refer to as a law of 1878, part of our values and frankly one of the reasons why we have such high regard for our u. S. Military because we keep them to overseas conflicts. Theyre not on the streets of the cities of the United States and im pleased to see that the current secretary of defense today recognized that the insurrection act of 1807, which the white house voted two days ago, is wholly inappropriate and it is a measure of last resort, which is something that ive been saying now for 48 hours. You know, were having a scene right now, an officers getting carried away by a couple fellow officers after trying to break up what is this conflict between demonstrators and the situation on the street and whoever else is involved in the police. You know, its bothersome enough to see when its police versus citizens. I just think the optics of seeing military versus citizens would fuel a lot of things that america does not need to be about. Jeh, thank rue very much. Jeh johnson reflecting on what it takes to keep this country safe and the state of play were in right now. I hope youre right. I hope that this countrys coming together to take a step in the right direction. Thank you for being part of that. Thanks, chris. Were going to keep an eye on this. This is ugly and tough to see because you have the police on the outside. We dont know whos on the inside. We dont know if this is an agitation thing. If this was protesters that got into it with police or why. We dont know. Were just showing you whats there in brooklyn right now. People are certainly being arrested. As we get information, well come to it. Now, you have to agree with jeh johnson this is about more than one incident. However, all eyes in this nation are on what happens in these select cases. Okay . For instance, there are criminal charges in atlanta for the six Police Officers involved in the violent arrests of two College Students during a protest march about george floyd. The police chief already fired two of them. Tonight, she is telling her department that she was blindsided by the criminal case. What does the mayor of atlanta say about that . Mayor keyshia lance bottoms is here with us next. Allergies with sinus congestion and pressure . Go to the pharmacy counter for powerful. Claritind. While the leading allergy spray is indicated for 6 symptoms. Claritind is indicated for 8. Including sinus congestion and pressure. Claritind. Get more. I dont have to worry about that, do i . Are irritated. Harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. Crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. It works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. Gum detoxify, from crest. Excuse me. Uh. Do you mind. Being a motour . What could be better than being a motour . The real question is. Do you mind not being a motour . I do. For those who were born to ride, theres progressive. And then the rain came. Here in new york, were monitoring the situation. The rain has definitely made a difference. It is causing people to disperse. You have people who are lined up for protests that may or may not happen. You see the officers there with bikes. Theyre using them as a line to protect right now in manhattan but also using them to try to do countersurveillance on outside agitator groups that have been using city bikes and other public forms of transportation to kind of coordinate their movements. So the rains coming in waves. Well see what that does. Theres police chief monaghan right there. M now in brooklyn, were watching a standoff between what was going on between Police Officers and protesters there. Here you can see the rain. Is this now in brooklyn . Are we still in manhattan . Okay. So this is a different angle. There was a huge group of protesters and police on top of each other. And there were severalcertainlys being made. The rain is going to change things. For nothose who were here for a legitimate reason, well see. Well stay on. Today was a big day any way you look at it. Former president barack obama called for action. From mayors across the country today amid the protests and unrest. Here was his message. So today i am urging every mayor in this country to review your use of force policies with members of your community and commit to report on planned reforms. What are the specific steps you can take . Now, that is a good idea but does it work . And if not, why . Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms of atlanta joins us now. Good to see you, ms. Mayor. Nice to see you, too, chris. You wrote in a New York Times opped although as mayor the chief of Police Reports to me. In that moment, i knew what every other parent to a black kid in america knows. I couldnt protect my son. To anyone who saw him, he was simply who he is, a black manchild in the promise land we all know as america. And you were trying to draw the dichotomy that you have power but youre not allpowerful. The idea that mayors can oversee the police, of course, they do, by charter and constitution, but in terms of making a difference, is reviewing Police Procedures going to get us to a better place . I think everything that we do right now, chris, is a step toward that better place. And certainly we need to look at all of our policies. If kneeling on someones neck is a permissible policy ain a polie department, certainly thats something that needs to be reviewed. Thats not the case in atlanta. It doesnt mean we dont have something on the books that we just arent thinking about thats top of mind that we dont need to make some changes with and so i was glad that president obama made that call to action and just very happy to be able to accept it today. Were already forming a commission in our city. Im signing an executive order to do that. Im going to ask for some immediate recommendations in the next 14 days. Very telling video came out of atlanta of them pulling some kids out of a car during a demonstration. They broke the glass. They used the taser. You know, it was a very clear view of what was going on. A bunch of officers were pulled off the street. Fired. The police chief says, though, that the idea of a criminal case surprised her. Do you believe criminal cases were warranted in that situation . Well, you know, chris, we have an independently elected District Attorney so what was before us was the decision on whether or not to fire those officers. We spent around four hours on sunday reviewing body cam video, made the decision to fire two officers. It was very clear had dispatched their tasers. And then we were going to take more time to look at additional footage and make decisions on the other officers. And so i think what were seeing is a shift in america right now. I was surprised that charges were brought. The District Attorney called me around 9 00 and told me that he was going to be bringing charges at around 11 00. Not surprised that the charges werent warranted, but we dont usually see them being brought that quickly. So the question becomes, what does that all mean . By the way, right now were looking in brooklyn or in manhattan right now but i was showing you the video in question in atlanta. Is the speed with which the charges came a reflection of it being done the right way or is usually we wait too long because theyre Police Officers and the system doesnt treat them the way it treat s its citizens. Or is it a reflection of us playing politics in a moment of crisis and a prosecutor trying to gain political advantage as an elected servant to do something that may be popular . At the expense of the police. You know, as it relates to this, i cant speak to the motives of the District Attorney, but what i can say is that even the quickness in which the two officers were fired were fired is a shift for us. But it was also a shift because i normally wouldnt sit in a room for four hours and review body cam video footage, either, but i think it speaks to where we are in america but specifically in terms of the swiftness. I think the District Attorney will have to speak to that. Mayor, stay with me. I want to expand the panel and include even more better minds in this to have a wideranging discussion about this. So i want to bring in bring in preet bharara, obviously of United States Southern District, federal prosecutor fame, and van jones as well. So, were going to take a quick break then well come back with these three great minds to understand the politics, the application of law in society and how to lead, and how does all of that get us to a new normal . Next. I am in so much debt. 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