Thats a lot of mouths to feed. Some people are rationing and not eating as much as home. Are you doing that . We are doing also. We organize the menus and you know, kind of with this all of the time. Reporter still, despite his cut in pay he thinks its a mistake for neighboring georgia to start reopening businesses later this week to get the economy going again. Its too soon. Stay at home at the moment, keep the distance. Reporter randi kaye, cnn, hialeah gardens, florida. A lot of good groups doing food banks and food delivery. The news continues. I want to head over to chris cuomo for cuomo primetime. Chris . Thank you, my friend. I am chris cuomo and welcome, everybody, to prime time. I know there are a lot of political headlines and well touch on them, but we cant let gotchas and the latest examples of trump being trump distract us from what is definitely the elephant in the room. We are still not on the same page. States and the federal government. One plan, obviously will be regional and subjective, but one mindset about how to open places safely. Tonight, Governor Cuomo of new york. Now he just met with the president yesterday pushing for more testing to get on the same page. He said they had a good meeting. The president said they had a good meeting, but why . Is the state ready now to reopen the way the president wants to . Were going to hear from the governor. If not, then how is it a good meeting . Together as ever as one cant just be words. It has to be intentions and actions that get us to a safer place. So what do you say . Lets get at it. Now, look, you cant ignore the president trying to change the facts. We have to be facts first. The president doesnt like that the head of the cdc and by the way, most experts in the area of coronavirus and pandemic control all say the same thing. The fall could be a real problem. Coronavirus is likely to return. It will likely be in combination with flu season. Thats very difficult. Why fight that fact . Why not just prepare for what could happen . No. Trump decides to fight reality and deny that it will be anything like what we just experienced, but thats not the measure whether its like what we just lived through. If its anything close to that as has happened in the past with other viruses it may put us right back in hiding with the same kinds of pressures if we dont prepare. The cdc comes up and the president said cnn lied, and first of all, cnn didnt do the interview, the Washington Post did, and it was written by the Washington Post. Accurately written by the Washington Post. Dr. Fauci, dr. Anthony fauci gets up there and says a likely second wave is a real probability that we have to deal with. Now the question is whats going to happen to them . Are they going to suffer the fate of dr. Rick bright, the head of barda, the Agency Working on a vaccine for the federal government. Thats what bright is doing, working on the thing we all need most. His problem, hes also been saying stuff that doesnt go with what the president s been saying, specifically the president s longtouted miracle cure, hydroxychloroquine. I know youre not hearing about it much anymore. Dr. Bright pushed back and said i dont Want Congress money to be spent on this drug that doesnt have research on it. I want to spend it on things that might be making a difference here. Now he says he lost his job over it and now the others have to pay a price for telling the truth. Heres the doctors, quote, dr. Bright, sidelining me in the middle of this pandemic and placing politics and cronyism ahead of science puts lives at risk. Science must always trump politics. The president s response. Who . Ive never heard of him. You just mentioned the name. Ive never heard of him. When did this happen . This happened today. If the guy was pushed out of a job, maybe he was. Maybe he wasnt. Id have to hear the other side. I dont know who that is. First of all, thats pretty scary. The president doesnt know the lead person who is working on the vaccine at barda, the agency thats focusing on this . Really . And maybe he was pushed out of a job, thats an equal concern, maybe he was, maybe he wasnt. After the reasoning that the doctor gave, is that something for the president to be ambivalent about like he wouldnt have some role in that . He wouldnt have some responsibility . Also surprising, on a totally different level, because you have to be fair here, was the president all of a sudden striking a different posture about his state reopening as quickly as possible, specifically georgia. The governor there, a republican seems to want to be appeasing this president more than making common sense for his own state, the president says not so fast. I told the governor of georgia, brian kemp that i disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of georgia is just too soon. I think its too soon. Good for him. Good for him, but very confusing for us. Why . Because if he thinks its too soon because georgia isnt meeting the criteria for reopening then why would he be pushing states that have told him many times we cant reopen safely. We wont have the testing. If he sees it in georgia now all of a sudden why is he pushing other states to liberate, telling people to liberate your state when they could get the same analysis from him. Theyre not ready either. Why push them . Lets bring in the governor of new york to talk about this where he sees the state of play. He just met with the president. Its good to have you, mr. Governor. Thank you for joining us. Good to be with you, little brother. Always a pleasure. So help me with this, honestly. You go down there. You meet with the president , you come out and he says good meeting and you say good meeting. Hes going to help you double testing from 20,000 people in new york a day to 40,000, then they say oh, good, so youre ready to reopen . Oh, no, were not ready to reopen. We have a lot longer to go, then how is it a good meeting . You keep talking to the federal government about what you need it reopen. You keep saying you have good meetings, so is he and then you dont have what you need to reopen. How is this progress . Nice to be with you again. Glad youre feeling better. Glad christine is feeling better. It is a common frustration, governor. Its a common frustration. I dont know how common it is and i dont know that your assertion is factual and accurate. I dont keep meeting with the federal government and i dont keep meeting with the president. We had one meeting, and it was a good meeting and it was a productive meeting. The testing, we have been going back and forth on who is supposed to do what on testing and the federal government starts by saying we dont do testing. Its up to the states. The states say we need federal help and we were getting nowhere so i wanted to go and i wanted to sit down at the table and actually have the conversation and talk about testing and here are the different functions and who will do what . The president s state that the state should take the lead on testing is right. I have 300 labs in my state, okay . I regulate those labs and theyre basically private labs, i should determine how many tests we need and where we can do them, et cetera, but the labs have to get the supplies from these National Manufacturing companies that they bought the machines from and each machine has its own chemicals and its own testing kit, et cetera. Those National Manufacturers say they cant get enough test kits so my labs dont have the supplies. That is a job that the federal government should do. We talked about governor larry hogan of maryland, and went to south korea and he got test kits, but its not right for governors to now worry about an International Supply chain, right . We went through that with ppe. Let the federal government take that piece and thats what we agreed to, but testing is only one piece, chris. You dont reopen just because you have testing. You reopen, first of all, when the numbers stabilize. New york was still coming down the curve, but were not down and youre not going to reopen until that number is at a lower, lower point and then you test to make sure youre still at that point and calibrate where you are. All right. Understand . One step sideways. Yes. One step sideways and then i want to go to when you reopen and what the right measure is. Just to be very clear. Stepping sideways. Yes. Lateral step. Lateral move. You met with the president. You have spoken to the president and his people before now about testing, yes . That is a true statement. So that was not the first real meeting. Youve talked plenty with the federal government about this, you just kind of keep running circles around each other about having the conversation about who does it and you saying the same things to them and them saying the same things back and you still remain in a state of gradual movement, but not where you need to be. Is that a Fair Assessment . Well, to say that i had phone conversations with them is not to say i met with them. You said i met with them a number of times. I didnt meet with them a number of times. Semantics. Whats a phone call . I did have phone calls and those are phone calls. Those are conversations, theyre not meetings. Whats the difference . And look, what were trying to do, one is a meeting and one is a call. Thats semantics. We had things done before. True. What were trying to do has never been done before. New york state today does more tests than any state in the country. New york state today does more tests per capita than any country on the globe, all right . So weve been very aggressive and very good at ramping up this testing. Weve done over 500,000 tests in a month. More than anyone else, but 500,000 tests as big as that is, sounds like a big number, not when youre talking about a population of 19 million and a workforce of 9 million. 500,000 a month, that means a million in two months and 1. 5 in three months. Its not enough. We want to double that rate of testing which is already the highest in the country and the highest on the globe, per capita. To do that, the federal government has to work to get that supply chain to the National Manufacturers so they can provide the equipment, the reagents to my labs. Just to give you an idea of what the 40,000 tests are. Thats every machine that we have in the state of new york running seven days a week, 24 hours a day. So you cant have a higher number of Production Capacity in the state than that. And thats my point, that listen, you definitely deserve your respect for doing as much as you can with your capacity, but you are not getting what you immediate to get your capacity where you immediate it to be. I must have heard you say on just this television show, let alone your press briefings several times, hey, man, federal governments has to figure out how to get more of this done. They should be talking to the manufacturers. New york cant make it. You dont have the cash to front these companies. States dont have that kind of budget and even big new york and big california. They cant afford it. The federal government would have to do it. You keep saying it, nothing happens. One company, they tell us, is making swabs in the United States of america. The home of rosie the riveter, made b24s during world war ii and now we cant make cotton swabs. Why . Look, i dont want to argue that point with you because youre right. One of the lessons we learned here from the get go, by the way, whether it was gowns, masks, gloves. Right. Ventilators, why does it all come back to china . Why is everything made in china . I mean, it was just bizarre when you think about it and thats what trump said, by the way. Thats what makes America Great again is all about. Remember him saying during the campaign. Its all got to come back from china and they chased him about his ties and where his stuff was made and because the trade deals stink and ill change all of it and this is a beautiful opportunity and he hasnt done any of that. Well, we have to do that and look, that was a wakeup call for everyone. I understand how the International Economy works and why manufacturing left especially like a mask or a gown or a glove, but theres now a National Security issue and you have to be able to get this material and thats one of the lessons. We have to make all of that here so we control the supply chain and were now learning it on this testing side where youre trying to go 50 times your current Testing Capacity, right . And all of a sudden reagents and chemicals and whether china will release them or not, becomes relevant, but just so were clear, before you get to testing, the number of cases and hospitalizations has to come down because we are only on the downside of the curve. Its not low enough to even talk about reopening and then if any of these theories are true that you could see a low ad in the summer but a riseup in the fall, i mean yeah. Thats, you know, it just changes your whole calculus, right . Do you think thats a speculation like a maybe or possibly or are your projections and experts telling you by the way, from the federal level, you better get ready for that because its coming . Well, look, i dont think the cdc gets up and says we have to worry about the fall. I dont think dr. Fauci gets up and says we have to worry about the fall. I dont think dr. Birx gets up and says we have to worry about the fall unless we have to worry about the fall. The president wants to be optimistic and wants to be positive and wants to see those markets come back and you listen to the medical experts who are just giving you facts and theyre all saying it could come back in the fall. They all are saying it could be coincident with the flu which is a real problem. Right. Because that now, all of the Testing Capacity were developing were putting all that testing to covid, right . The testing was normally hiv tests, large number, about 2. 4 million and the flu. If you have the testing machines doing covid, do you have enough machines to do covid and flu come the fall and thats another problem were going have to deal with. Right. 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Yeah. Ive seen the signs myself. The cure is worse than the disease except its not, right . Here the disease can kill you. So the cure is not worse than the disease because the disease can kill you, and there is nothing worse than death. Look, i get the frustration that people feel. They dont have a paycheck, and the bills still keep coming, right . It turns out that the bill collector is an essential worker so those bills keep coming. You dont have a paycheck. Thats real stress. You dont even know if you have a job, you dont even know if your business is going to return. Youre in the house which sounds very romantic with the family and that lasts for about seven days, right . And then everybodys stressed, cabin fever. So i get the frustration and the anxiety and everybodys feeling it. I feel it personally, i feel it as governor, but what is the flipside . The flipside is okay, so i want to go out. I want to do what i want to do and we have 15,000 people who have died already in this state. The only way we brought down the virus spread was by doing what were doing, and i just want to abort that because i think i have pressure, and i have to get out of the house. Yeah, but the flipside is you can infect yourself. Okay. Do what you want with your own life. True. You can infect someone else and you could kill someone, literally kill someone. So the cure is not worse than the disease because the disease can kill you, and thats what people have to remember. But they dont but you do have a lot of People Freedom i dont want to give you the freedom point because i dont buy