A new york democrat. And Michele Bachmann, a minnesota republican. Let them stay or send them home . Plus, the outrage of the day. Tonight on crossfire. Welcome to crossfire. Im Newt Gingrich on the right. And im van jones on the left. In the crossfire tonight, we have two of the most outspoken members of congress. Now, neighbors taking in neighbors. Thats what you do in a crisis. We have a refugee crisis right now. Kids in our hemisphere, in other words, our neighbors kids are in trouble. Theyre running for their lives. The question is, are we being Good Neighbors . Not all of us. Two governors, governors now are in effect sending out the message, children in trouble . No room at the inn for them in my state, keep them out of my state that. Is shameful. And worse, over the weekend, this graffiti popped up on a former military facility in maryland, where it was just rumored that some of these kids might be sent there. It says, no illegals here. Wrong spelling, wrong values, and wrong for america. Maybe we should just ship the statue of liberty back to france. Were delighted tonight to have democratic representative Charlie Rangel of new york, and republican representative Michele Bachmann of minnesota. Charlie, youre an old friend. I have to ask you this. Youve heard our good friend van here who is worried about these governors. Would you recommend to Governor Cuomo, you know, president obama has about 60,000 children available that he can send to new york. New york could become the exact example. You could fill up the adirondacks with children. Would you feel comfortable saying governor, i have a great opportunity for you . Im glad you havent lost your sense of humor, newt. This is a great time for america to stop talking about what a great country we are and just show the compassion that we have. Compassion that it is not just american but what the American People really are. I cant imagine how Michele Bachmann would be if she saw a kid in the Department Store crying his heart out and you embracing him, can i help you out little one . Americans do more of that i think than anybody in the world. Do we have a complex Legal Immigration problems . You bet. But if you think for one minute that little babies you know, god does good work. The older we get, the worse we screw up his work. Would you be comfortable if Governor Cuomo come on, what does he have to do with this . Are you afraid the canadians are coming across the border. He could offer to take the 60,000 children. Why should we offer . If we dont have the resources to take care of these kids, im in the wrong country. Let me get you in here congresswoman. You are probably the most compassionate person in the u. S. Congress. You have taken in 23 foster kids, is that right . If you saw these kids, and to the congressmans point, if you saw these kids, theyre hungry and scared, wouldnt you take them into your home if weve taken 23 foster kids. We raised them and graduated them from high school. These children were legally in the United States of america. I want to frame what were talking about. Since april, weve had an invasion of 300,000 to 500,000 is the estimate Foreign Nationals penetrating and coming across americas southern border. Yesterday, i spent the day over at the National Counterterrorism center. I sit on the intelligence committee. Our own government is extremely concerned about who is coming across the southern border. We have Foreign Nationals that are coming across the southern border from countries like yemen, iran but the children no. The estimate is 57,000. Just answer my question. Van, its important that viewers understand what were talking about. Yes, children. Since april, 300,000 to 500,000 Foreign Nationals at their election have invaded the United States are you talking about children being invaders . You left out the whole story. These arent all children. There are 57,000 children but the total number of people coming across are 300,000 to 500,000 Foreign Nationals penetrating and are in the United States to date. Listen, we have all kinds of problems in the country. But there are 50,000 who are children, who are young people. Are you calling them invaders . Youre saying these children are invaders . Foreign nationals that have come into the United States are between 300,000 to 500,000. My heart is broken for a female College Student in minnesota who was raped, murdered, and mutilated by a Foreign National who came into our country. These are illegals who came into our country, and we had a school bus full of kids in minnesota. Four children were killed on that school bus because an illegal alien driving a van hold on a second. That are lines that cant be crossed here. If you want to talk about compassion im sorry, but are you going to my tears are crying for [ all speaking at once ] we should not scapegoat every one of these kids. You know better as a Congress Person dont scape the American People van, dont scapegoat the American People right now who are losing jobs. Look at chicago last weekend. Theres a huge protest last friday from africanamericans on the south side of chicago who said, president obama, why dont you Pay Attention to the kids who cant get jobs here . We cant get jobs, were homeless, we have fatherless youth who are subject do you think its fair to pit africanamericans who are i would like to come to her defense, because this is two beautiful ladies. One is a republican, the other is a mother and a compassionate person. What youre trying to do is mix the two. Shes never going to say anything against beautiful, young children. Shell talk about all the invaders coming across the country. But theres one thing that was recorded that you said, and i dont want to believe that either, is that we should not do anything for these children, and i said oh, no, not in my house she didnt say that. Another thing that you said, god forbid if we should pass an immigration law, it would be the end of ever having a republican president. I said, that doesnt sound like her, it sounds like a candidate for president , but not my michele. But she would not know how in her christian body to Say Something against these children. But shes against immigration, period. And you think its fair for her to pit the africanamericans who are suffering in chicago against these children . Do you think thats fair . Some of the people in her party have said about the president , i think anything along that line is now accepted. Ten years ago it was ridiculous. Chicago is an interesting problem. 82 people were wounded, 17 died, which is by comparison, the st. Valentines day massacre in the 20s was seven people. So in one weekend in one american city, 82 people wounded and 17 died. Shouldnt we be more concerned about americans in chicago . Newt, that is a serious problem in chicago, and i would want to discuss it. But theres no way you can stretch your imagination to talk about children that come here, escaping torture, victimization, poverty, and manage to get to the boarders of the United States of america and we turn our eyes away from them and now were going to talk about kids killing kids. Dont do that. I dont see the connection. What it is, these kids in chicago, its hard for me to believe that they manufactured these guns. Its hard to believe they started off in life with the same opportunities as you and us. Its hard to believe that most of these kids are going to end up dead or in jail or unemployed. Weve got a lot to talk about what i would like to say you have and reverend sharpton have done a lot toward dealing with that. If you can bring this back to the boarders, these little kids, theres a guy that carries a bunch of kids pictures. I told him once, my buddy dave, every murderer, terrorist that you ever see looked as cute as that. He hasnt talked to me since. So dont get her to talk about those children. This is no joke. Weve never, in 236 years of this nations history, had a situation where our southern border has been erased. Effectively what we have is a president of the United States who has decided, what laws . We dont have any Border Security laws. So hes not enforcing the boarders. Theres a reason why we have Border Security guards. Weve increased the budget for Border Security guards by 54 since barack obama came into office. We have 22 more Border Security guards than before. Its not lack of money but lack of political will. What i care about are the people on this side of the border, the American People being disadvantaged. Okay. Were going to be back in a minute. 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And what would you and bill talk about at that point . So charlie, you went through that whole campaign. I think if i remember correctly, you were loyally with hillary. She was my senator. You bet your life. Im curious, dont you think there has to be a little sense of deja vu all over again with this current last couple of weeks of bad reporting . If indeed its true as reported that Hillary Clinton is looking forward to running as president , you bet your life she should be looking at everything around her. But if she had Charlie Rangel in her corner and she was concerned about senator warren, i would tell her, darling, they havent got anyone to run against either one of you two, and they should give her such small comfort. Im not sure shes worried about the republicans yet. What is your view . Elizabeth warren is apparently able to take this populist message into red states. Do you think this is somebody who might be able to pull away some republicans . I dont see her as necessarily taking republican votes, but i think she will be an extremely attractive candidate for the democrat voters in 2016. If she chooses to mount a run for the presidency, i would agree with newt, i think that if i was mrs. Clinton, i would be extremely concerned with what i see. Its interesting what im seeing in all the national journals. Its a swoon fest right now over Elizabeth Warren. Theyre salivating over her, because she represents a progressive view, people want to go that direction and i think there could be some trouble. You could be in a situation where democrats have two women running. You as a woman ran. You said that elizabeth is a progressive, but a lot of the stuff shes talking about is majority opinion stuff. The majority opinion wants to be tougher on wall street. Dont you think she could run up the middle . No, shes a progressive. Good try, van, but shes as progressive as hillary is. You represent new york city and you understand wall street and all this. Good try. And you know the clintons pretty well. I think hillary has done a lot in the last few weeks to make us realize shes in the 1 . Isnt she going to have this challenge that warren is going a reform wall street, not just get money from it. And isnt hillarys all speeches from those kind of places going to become an anchor that makes her campaign harder . You know, people who dont have money, dont hate the 1 percenters, for reasons i dont understand. But, you know, roosevelt, bloomberg, all were millionaires, billion and millionaires. And i really dont think the fact that she has been a recent recipient of wealth has anything to do with where she would go in order to bring about some fairness and equity and justice to people, when you think of the disparity between incomes. As close as you are to the democratic base, i think youre whistling a little bit past a certain graveyard here, in that maybe its not because shes got money, but when you talk to base democratic voters, there is a concern shes been too close to wall street, too cozy with wall street and that Elizabeth Warren has been tough. Oh, vann. Doesnt that open up a door . Come on, youre one of the best politicians. Look, i dont know how much money has as a result of his back, but hes not linenox aven poor, and if you take a poll right now, the clintons and the obamas would win automatically. So i really dont see how you really this is good stuff for the tv, shes talking about being broke, and then it turns out she has 300,000. These are the issues that will go away. Its not going to be a bump they go away, unless Elizabeth Warren gets into this race. Now, you know and i know that Elizabeth Warren gets in this race and starts pushing hard, Elizabeth Warren, by the way, and you love young people. Elizabeth warren has been banging away on this question of what do you mean win love young people. We love young people. But i do think the point that mrs. Clinton has presented herself in a light that just doesnt ring true rubs people the wrong way. Because they do wonder if maybe mrs. Clinton has lost touch with the average person. And they look at somebody like an Elizabeth Warren, and shes got fire in her belly, and she is connecting with people when shes on the stump. And thats what people want. They saw that in barack obama. That he was connecting with people on the stump. So the question is, whos going to connect with the hearts of people, the minds, but the hearts. And i think Elizabeth Warren has been edging out mrs. Clinton on that you know, one of the reasons im reluctant to vigorously endorse Hillary Clinton is because, thats all you have to talk about. But i would rather talk about, you know, the last we had this issue, in the president ial election, i was so ashamed to foreigners, for them to believe that that was the best that my country hadded to off ed had to. Are you talking about the Republican Party . No, there is no Republican Party, thats my problem. If there was, if there was a Republican Party, democrats and republicans would be able to vote on all of the issues, immigration, jobs. Right now,