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and the president was straight with the american people about that, but i hope people look at what happens if all of us continue to do our part and that is by some time in early june, we could well have the coronavirus largely behind us as a nation, reopen our country, put america back to work. >> let's be clear. the science is clear that all these states, every have to have stay at home orders, unless everybody is doing this at the same time, it's not going to work. bill gates will tell you that. that's what the science says, whether or not political leaders believe in the science or have other priorities. new york governor andrew cuomo taking a new step, closing public plagd public playgrounds. the governor has warned about this, too many people are bunching together at playgrounds. he would have to close them. now he says he's going to do it. >> reporter: he said it repeatedly, you're right, anderson. he was asked a short time ago whether people were too close. somebody specifically referenced all the new yorkers, seeing the navy comfort. and they need to be better about enforcing social distancing. once again, hammering home, anderson, as you just said, that this needs to be a broad effort across the country. on the front lines, the need never seems to end. >> everyone requires oxygen. everyone is borderline critical. >> new orleans warning it could run out of ventilators this week. new hot spots adding to the strain, holy oak massachusetts now on the radar. one hospital in albany, georgia, now recording more than 20% of that state's confirmed covid-19 deaths. >> it's very hard to see someone fighting for their life, completely healthy, and the virus, the beast has taken them down, so quickly. >> reporter: in the pandemic, u.s. epicenter, 1400 tested positive at the nypd. hundreds of additional emts, ambulances and paramedics are brought in to answer the city's surge in 9-1-1 calls. the army asking 10,000 reserve members to return as experts and officials warn to keep the death toll down, it's time for a nationwide plan. >> we need people to do their part, social distancing, as a part of it. we also need the federal government to do a lot more too, because that rationing of ventilators, the rationing of supplies, that's also going to be what leads to unnecessary deaths. >> more than 30 states have statewide stay at home orders, beginning tomorrow, florida will be added to that list. >> my advice to america would be that these guidelines are a national stay at home order. >> the numbers, the hot spots, the urgent need tell part of this story. but it is the personal struggles and loss that reveal the lasting impact. >> they took a walkie-talkie and placed it right by her bedside on the pillow. >> reporter: elijah ross rutter couldn't be next to their mother to say good-bye. >> nobody really ever wants to be in that situation. i loved her, told her everything would be all right with the kids. >> reporter: she survived stage 4 cancer was 42. and anderson, i know you do this often, but it's so important to remember with each one of these numbers as the death toll goes up, there are families and friends who are affected. we are now at 1,941 deaths here in new york city alone, and another thing governor cuomo said is to reduce the anxiety people have, that is another reason we need to see more testing so people can better understand the extent of this spread, anderson. >> erica, the idea of kids saying good-bye to their mom by walkie-talkie, that is, that is just horrific. >> reporter: it's unimaginable, and at the same time, you think how wonderful it was the health care workers knew, right, that she needed to hear her children and they needed to be able to say good-bye to her. >> it's true. erica, thank you. appreciate it. after weeks of direction, most of the public should not wear masks, that guidance could soon change. sources say members of the white house task force are agreeing that americans should begin wearing face masks. the change comes in the wake of new insights on just how much people who don't show symptoms can spread the virus. dr. jorge rodriguez, an internist and gastroenterologist, this new belief of people should wear masks, i think from what sanjay gupta told me yesterday, based on what he had talked to dr. fauci about, it's not that just everybody should wear a mask because it will protect them. it's that people wear masks because they may already have the virus, be asymptomatic and the mask will stop them from spreading it to others. it's not that the mask on somebody who's not infected is going to protect them necessarily. >> right. the reason now, and i'm fully on board with this, that the mask protects people that are not infected getting infected from people that are not symptomatic and yet carry the virus. for example, they're being, there's some studies now in iceland showing that approximately 50% of the people that are positive are completely asymptomatic. so we wanted to do some math. right now, 4,000 people died in the u.s. let's say that the death rate is 1%. that means that 400,000 people may actually have the virus right now at this moment, and 50% are asymptomatic, that perfectly jives with what we're seeing. 200,000 people confirmed and probably another 200,000 people today walking around asymptomatic, so you extrapolate this to hopefully the end of the epidemic and 20 million people may get infected, that means that 10 million people may have walked around without any symptoms, and i would venture to say that almost everybody at the beginning of getting infected was asymptomatic for a few days. so i think this is a good thing, the whole everybody wearing masks if possible. >> the danger in this, of course, is that it means masks are not as available to medical professionals or people not on the front lines are going to be competing if they want to get a mask with others who need masks. >> correct. now, there's many other potential solutions that probably aren't as good, so necessity is the mother of invention. >> the president said you could wear a scarf. >> you could wear a scarf or a bandanna. a week ago, i ordered all these different bandannas just in case. >> do you think that would actually work, to some level? >> i think it stands to reason that it would work at some level and it is probably better than nothing. if anything else, you know, and some people may disagree with me, it really doesn't matter. the truth is that even wearing something on your face may keep you from touching your face in areas that may be more susceptible. hopefully, there will be a lot more availability, a lot of companies are ramping up. health professionals on the front line are still the ones that require these masks more than anybody because they are in direct contact and once that resource of health professionals starts diminishing, then we really are in a lot more trouble. >> we just heard vice president pence saying this might be largely behind us in early june. i keep harping on this because i think it's really important, the science is clear on how to lower the death toll on how to prevent the spread of this and that's isolation, staying at home and i know, obviously, it has huge economic ramifications that are life-altering and terrible, but the science is clear. do you think there should be, as bill gates believes, a nationwide stay at home order because there's a bunch of states that aren't doing it and i just keep thinking, well, if all of us in new york city are doing this, if our neighbors nearby aren't doing it, once they start doing it, then the clock kind of restarts and the people have already been staying at home will have to stay at home even longer until all the other states do it. >> absolutely, i think you're absolutely right and it may seem a little draconian but that is exactly what i think needs to be done, because otherwise, you have hodgepodge little hot beds and epicenters that keep flourishing and let's face it, everybody's traveling everywhere. if you wanted to be scientifically correct, the whole nation should be in a shutdown at the same time. washington state and california are perfect examples of how that can work very well. is that the ultimate solution, probably not but you've got to really bring down the fire, right, so that it can be controlled into some embers and you're not going to do that if you have multiple little hot spots throughout the country, whether it's florida, whether it's new york. do i agree we should have a national in-home order? i actually do. >> dr. jorge rodriguez, thank you. >> thank you, anderson. the president is finally acknowledging how dire the situation is, sort of, after do downplaying it for months. >> i want every american to be prepared for the hard days that lie ahead. we're going to go through a very tough two weeks. >> insiders say it has taken a lot to get the president to openly express concern about the likely impact of the outbreak, the health concern of the impact of the outbreak in the u.s. political analyst carl bernstein with some take on trump's response to the looming crisis. carl, you say the president, trump, we saw yesterday, isn't the president trump of recent weeks. how do you mean? >> well, i think there is a narrative, i've been able to get parts of it from people around the president that he has resisted since january, taking decisive action except for keeping chinese flights and people out of using the border. definitive actions such as he has finally taken and in his resistance, he was in anger, fury, a kind of meltdown for weeks and weeks, lashing out at people he said in meetings were his enemies in the press, in the democrats, those who don't wish him well, on the nation and the kind of thing we heard some of on fox news but his resistance and denial, actually, of the danger it posed to this virus is what's so stunned many people around him and they worked this weekend to get him to capitulate to the kind of measures that needed to be needed. >> take a step back though but for all the people who said, he's got it, the tone has changed. we've seen this before, and it doesn't last very long. let's just remember, on sunday, on the call of governors, he's denying saying that he had heard there was a new problem with any testing, he hadn't heard about testing and that all seemed fine, which is just, it is demonstrably not the case, you know, any scientist you talk to will tell you, we need more testing to find out all the people who have the virus and are asymptomatic. there needs to be testing, especially in states that don't seem to have a lot of cases right now. >> it's denying anything that would suggest that he acted anything but timely and wisdom in all his decisions, that's when he gets furious again. and the lying, pathological lying we've seen throughout his presidency continues as he spins his narrative about how he came to this decision, but i have to say that the people that i've talked to believe that whatever this conversion was that occurred over this past weekend is real, and one thing that's consistent about people in the national security bureaucracy and aides close to the president have been saying for a couple of years now is he always considers in military decisions loss of life. he's very responsive to the idea there can be loss of life when he makes military decisions to americans, and finally, i think there was even a strategy by people in the nfc and by dr. fauci and others to appeal to him over this past weekend on the basis of what this massive loss of life model shows. what's so astonishing in some regards is the model has been out there and written about in the press since the middle of march and really, he only began to come to a realization that he was going to have to take action and not lash out at the democrats and the press in terms of his decision making around the first of march, the end of february, and it took people and his family, his friends, deputies in the white house to finally convince him that the first order we were going to have to do distancing just had to be enacted but resistance, denial and anger throughout. and talking about the markets, always talking about the markets. >> carl bernstein, appreciate it very much. we mentioned florida's governor announced a stay at home order and asked about two cruise ships hoping to dock in florida. what has happened before to dozens of sick passengers will be allowed to offload. also, later, i'll speak to the doctor working on the vaccine for coronavirus. he just received the $1 billion investment from johnson & johnson and the federal government. .95? that's impossib. hi, i'm jonathan, a manager here at colonial penn life insurance company, to tell you it is possible. if you're age 50 to 85, you can get life insurance with options starting at just $9.95 a month. okay, jonathan, i'm listening. tell me more. just $9.95 a month for 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infections rising in the state with nearly 7,000 cases, a hundred deaths. cnn's rosa flores is in fort lauderdale with more with the governor's about-face. he said he was waiting to hear from the white house on what to do. the white house yesterday didn't say he should do it, but did say these are our guidelines. >> reporter: i listened carefully to that press conference from governor ron desantis, anderson, and he said he was taking his cue from the p president of the united states. he was watching the press conference and saw the change in demeanor by the president and with the president announcing the extension of 30 days to social distancing, governor ron desantis said that's when he knew life would not return to normal and decided to issue the statewide order. take a listen. >> given that the unique situation in florida, i'm going to be doing an executive order today directing all floridians to limit movements and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities. >> reporter: with a few exceptions and that's for essential services like health care, but anderson, this comes after extensive criticism by lawmakers here in florida, by experts that have been asking florida governor ron desantis to issue such an order. anderson? >> and desantis has been against letting two ships, some with infectious passengers dock in florida. where's the ship now? and what's going to happen to those passengers? >> reporter: the ships are off the coast of cuba at the moment. during the press conference, ron desantis not making a complete about-face. the people on the ship, or at least on the floridians on that ship. we know there's at least 49 of them. the governor announcing in the past hour that he will accept the floridians that are on this ship to actually get off the ship and in florida, but here's the thing, anderson, it's not just up to the governor. the individuals who are making these decisions are the broward county commissioners and unified command which includes u.s. coast guard and custom protection and other agencies. they met for five hours yesterday, debated and then tabled the issue until tomorrow. so that decision hasn't been made. the individuals in these groups did not accept the plan that the cruise line provided, which would allow passengers that do not have symptoms to actually go home. passengers with symptoms to stay quarantined on the ship for 14 days and they were asking for two hospital beds for individuals that are on the ship that need medical attention to that degree, but again, all of this is still very controversial. a lot of the passengers on board have been going to social media. they've written letters to governor ron desantis, asking for mercy and compassion, anderson, because as you know, four people have died on the ship and we know eight others have tested positive for covid-19. dozens of others are already exhibiting flu-like symptoms. >> such a nightmare. rosa flores, thank you. appreciate it. we'll continue to follow up with what's going to happen to those people. johnson and johnson said it should be able to test coronavirus vaccine by september. speak to doctors that helped create it. the supreme court still open, 86-year-old justice ruth bader ginsburg can still get her workouts in. more ahead. you try to stay ahead of the mess. but scrubbing still takes time. now there's new powerwash dish spray. it's the faster way to clean as you go. just spray, wipe and rinse. it cleans grease five times faster. new dawn powerwash. spray, wipe, rinse. gimme two minutes. eligible for medicare. and i'll tell you some important things to know about medicare. first, it doesn't pay for everything. say this pizza... 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>> we did not have it implemented yet, and supply that to us, agreed to put that in our lab there in the process of doing that now. it's not a simple process. and then get the material and hopefully by this time next week, we'll be able to test in our own lab. that will allow us to have very quick turnaround on these patients and allow us to conserve our resources, which we're going to need probably a couple of weeks from now when the expected surge hits alabama. >> and you also announced on monday that a hospital staffer tested positive. 15 others who had contact with the employee are being quarantined and tested. how is that impacting the hospital's ability to care for patients? >> so at this point, we've had systemwide probably 9 to 12 employees test positive. we had 15,000 employees. a percentage of the employees, a relatively small number. we want to keep it low. those employees, we would also use in-house testing because we can test them and find out they're negative as soon as they can get back to work and then go ahead and quarantine them but quarantine them and work with the people who work closely with them, so at this point, staffing is not a problem. i think for hudson, alabama, probably seen the grass. we're about two weeks out, maybe a little more than that with a huge surge. we're trying to do everything we can to prepare for that. trying to protect our employees, make sure we have enough employees when the surge hits. >> in alabama, are they doing social distancing? is there a statewide stay at home order? >> there is not a statewide stay at home order. i think there's, we have in our community what i think are some very progressive methods or policies to try to keep people doing social distancing. i think it's working to a large degree. i think we're not against populated states. people in the rural areas, it's a little easier to do social distancing there. our city's not densely populated. geographically, we're a large city, so we're able to have people over a large area. i think the in-home orders are clearly much more effective in very dense population areas. i think people here for the most part are adhering to the rules that are out there. so at this point, we're just doing what the state is recommending and that's to try to keep our distance from everybody and encourage everybody to do the same. >> it's probably a matter of time before everybody at state-wide stay at home orders. thank you for all you're doing, trying to keep the system moving forward and getting those testing on site facilities. appreciate it. coming up, how governments around the world are cracking down from what appears to be authoritarian power grab in hungary. disturbing scenes in south africa, homeless rounded up and forced into cramped conditions. i'll speak to nord bury who lives in china. the deal he struck to get 10 million masks to new york. 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>> well, we had some people that knew some of the factory that made masks and the opportunity presented itself for us to be able to help and we came. >> i know you've got a cousin who died from coronavirus. >> yes. >> can you tell us been i'm -- i'm sorry about that. could you tell us about the circumstances. >> my cousin went to the hospital. they told him that he was sick and he was trying to figure it out. he left and went home and pretty much that was it after that. >> when you returned to china last month, i know you had to quarantine for two weeks, what's it like there now and when you look at what is happening in the u.s., i'm wondering what you think? >> i mean, when i came back it was pretty different from what i saw in america and in new york people were walking around without a mask and people were looking at me like i was strange for having a mask on when i got here. i went directly to the hospital, took my test, tested negative. after that 14 day quarantine and then after i quarantined i went on to my life. but it's completely different in how they're structuring things here as opposed to america which i believe that system will change soon. >> and life in beijing now that the peak seems to have passed in china, what's it like? >> it's normal. it's getting back to normalcy. when i was here and went back, it was just getting ready to start. and then it started when i left to come back to china in america. now you can do the things that you would normally be doing, like going out to eat and doing -- >> it does seem like the key is the social distancing, the stay at home in america, not all of the states yet have stay-at-home orders. i'm wondering what message would you send to people here in the u.s. about coronavirus? >> that is the only way to really stop this, is to stay at home. to stop everything and shut everything off so you can separate the negatives and the positives. you can't -- you don't know who is who if you don't do that. right now you see so many people having gatherings still. that wasn't going on in china during this time. so i think that is very vital and very important. >> stephon marbury, i appreciate all you're doing to get masks over here to new york and -- >> i'm sorry. >> i just said i appreciate all you're doing to get masks over here to new york. everybody needs to do their part and you're doing that. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> continue to stay safe. wisconsin is still moving ahead with the primary vote next week despite concerns about spreading the virus. the national guard is being called in to help staff the polls. plus new york governor said police officers may have to get tougher on enforcing the stay-at-home orders. that's next. ...do your sneezes turn heads? 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