Well. Well talk to him. Well start with sarah first. Good evening to both of you. The overstock ceo just made a series of extraordinary claims. Who is he . Who is he talking about and what is he alonging . Sure. Patrickburn is known as an eccentric and sometimes controversial ceo. He actually resigned today. For the last couple weeks, he has come out publicly and explained that he had a row man tick relationship with maria butina. That its been a number of years and hes provided the fbi with information. Now hes taking it a step further saying he believes he was involved in something that was political espionage. He is saying he was working with people at the top levels of the fbi and that he was directed to maintain this relationship with maria butina and he was directed to have a romantic relationship with her. He dropped a lot of names with chris cuomo, james comey, that the fbi director was involved, that peter strzok was involved in this. He played it a little coy but he did seem adamant that his relationship with maria butina over a number of years was something that he continued at the direction of higherups at the fbi. Lets play a little of what he said to chris. Here it is. He said, the very honorable men and women, the men in black, they said we want to be clear. This never happens in the United States. Were the good guys. We dont work like the bad guys but we need to ask to you rekindle a romantic relationship with maria butina. Members of the fbi, that youre sure were members of the fbi, asked you to do this. And you know their names. And i know their names. And they said these orders are coming from the personal this is being personally supervised by, y, and it is being and at the request of x, and then two months later then mr. Z has added his name. Now youve given them anonymity now but i heard you say on fox, if you go put a Cruise Missile jim comeys face and say the name patrick byrne, you wont like the reaction he gets. Thats the z. Thats mr. Z. So you believe that jim comey knew that you were being asked to do these things in the name of the United States government. Not only knew. I was specifically told this request is coming from jim comey at the request of somebody who i will not name. Do not assume it is the president. It was president obama. Do not assume that. That came out. Absolutely. This is all the stuff. And you have their names . Oh, yeah. This was all this is the kindergarten stuff. I have to believe, theyll say we like patrick byrne, he was good in business but this story is 100 . No. Theyre not even going to do that. I promise you theyll no comment. They will not come out and deny this. If they come out and deny it do you have anything in writing . Listen. This is the silly part. Its not that silly. This story is so wild. You have to have some proof the. Im light years beyond all the world youre talking about. Do we have a response from james comey . From Law Enforcement . So right now weve reached out to everyone. Weve reached out to james comey, peter strzok, fbi, doj, we dont have a response. Obviously cnn has not corroborated the claims hes. He shared a rambling account of what happened but he didnt actually provide any proof of it either. Well have to reach out and see if we can corroborate his story. It is worth mentioning, we were told by an official that he did meet with Justice Department officials earlier this year to talk about the beginning of the russia investigation. And there were some who viewed what he had to say as credible because he did have some operational details and information about that stuff that was not widely known. In terms of the latest allegations hes making, we still have not heard back from Law Enforcement or james comey. Matthew, hello to you. There are a lot of accusations being made. Some of our experts are saying, lets take it slow and look at these. You heard what hes claiming. What do you think . What are your Big Questions . There is a lot here. My biggest question is really, look, was maria butina at the center of a political operation or anything in 2016 . Or was she some russian grad student . You kind of hear both versions of it. And right now, what people on the right, conservatives have that, she was a small time thing. Nothing to look at here. Now if hes right, then she was really important and the fbi was targeting her. Theres a lot of ifs here and supposition. I dont want to carry water for the fbi. I have no idea what they asked him to do. It is not unusual if you are a prominent person and you go to the fbi and say, hey, look, this shady foreigner has approached me, theyll say keep meeting with them and see what they say and tell us. Does that mean sheep with them . I have no idea. I want to share this tweet. Fritz our colleague james galliano. A former formerly of the fbi. He said fbi agents directed him to engage in a romantic relationship with maria butina. Horse manure. Suspend disbelief if able. If true, agents would be investigated by opr, dojig and fired for mishandling of source. He is saying, for himself, he says horse manure. He is saying be very careful. Hes right. If they did tell him to sleep with maria, then they absolutely should be investigated. They should be fired. And those are clear violations of the fbis own rules. Do we see government officials violate their own rules . Yes. So just because they have the rules doesnt mean they follow them. That said, it is treat with care. It does sound so fantastical and outlandish. I want to you liberty to part of what patrickburn told chris. Watch this. . 2015, 16, i took some requests from the, from the fbi. It is the only time im going to say that. It is men in black. Theyre not the bad guys here. Youll understand. Theyre not the problem here. They passed a request to me from someone up above to do some stuff. 2015, 2016. I never know who it was. Last summer, watching television, watching congress rip apart some people, i put some details together and i figured out who sent never request. The mans name was peter strzok. So thats not just any name that hes dropping there. I mean, what are they asking him to do . Thing so vague. It is almost impossible to assess. In 2015, there was no russia investigation to speak of. Pete strzok was a senior Counter Intelligence official. Who was mr. Byrne talking to . Who did they want him to speak to or find out . We dont know. He is being incredibly vague here. And there was more. Watch. I was involved in helping them in that period. What i thought was Law Enforcement. And it turned out to be political espionage conducted against Hillary Clinton, minor, marco rubio and ted cruz, major, donald trump. Primarily political espionage against Hillary Clinton and donald trump. This isnt a theory of mine. I was in the room when it happened. I was part of it. Extraordinary claims. Whats next, matthew . You know, in his version of events, the fbi is out to get everyone. It sounds like the worst fantasy of j. He had dwar hoovers fbi. I think theres certainly more questions to be asked. The question now is of patrick byrne. He needs to share a lot more details. These are serious allegations. You need a lot more details when youre leveling this kind of stuff. Thank you very much of i appreciate it. Matthew rosenberg as well as sarah murray. So. As if we didnt have enough here, i want to turn to the president. President trumps increasingly erratic behavior and how could it play into the election. I want to get the big picture. The. Yeah. Go ahead. What did we say . Like the dawning house of jupiter . Mercury, jupiter. What is going on . Seriously, whats happening . Honestly i have never lived through anything like this. Its crazier and crazier every day. So what do we do. The president has been all over the map this being. Even for his standards. How do democrats running against him respond . I think the need now just for basic stability. Just stability. We would like to be able to wake up in the morning. Reach over, pick up our phone, look at it and not freak out every morning. Just show an ad with somebody looking at their phone and theyre just going about their morning. And smiling. And not taking a fork and shoving it through their eyeball. Its making people nuts and it is making people feel like, other people are enemies. You asked the question. How do democrats deal with this . I think it is very bad for the country. Democrats are spending a lot of time. And youve said this. Arguing about the minutiae of politics details. Thats our showing an. Make America Great again. This amount of money. That amount of money. When you look at the big picture, okay. You mentioned what you call soft voters for President Trump. They could turn on him in 2020. Theres a new monmouth poll out. Associated press, the nrc poll has it slightly lower. 36 . How likely is that it democrats can pull voters away, do you think . The democrats can pull voters away from trump . I think it is quite possible. I always talk about the soft trump voters. A lot of people who voted for donald trump. Not because they liked him but because they could not stand Hillary Clinton. Or they want a change so badly that theyre willing to take this enormous risk on donald trump. Donald trump has almost no margin for error. What should democrats do to contrast with trump . Talk about order, stability, so should republicans. A common sense conservative can make the same argument. That we need someone who will reflect more traditional common sense conservative values. Not his values. I think the president is in a tough spot. Everybody talks about the economy being the issue. If the economy was whats driving this election, then he would be well ahead of his opponents. Given the relative strength of the economy. It is showing down now. I think voters are not just voting about their pocket books. Theyre voting their values and based on the president s behavior and conduct in office. Lets talk more about the economy west dont want to forget about that. President trump said that it is doing really well. Charlie just that the same thing. There are warnings of a slowdown ahead. The economy has been his biggest asset so far. You say he doesnt have the discipline. Yeah. Look. The problem. Remember the pivot . Anybody remember that . From back when he was elected . There was all this, hes going to pivot and act like a grownup and its going to happen. Karen, there were people asking that the pivot, seriously, it was during the election. Wasnt after. It was while he was running. My point is, the information that we now have three years later is, theres no pivot. Its not coming. He doesnt have the kind of message discipline. How many times have we had infrastructure week . If he had any kind of discipline to talk about the economy, i think he would actually be able to get some traction. Ill tell you whats interesting. Ive seen some polling. When you ask people, do you approve of the way hes handling the economy, he gets good marks. When you ask people, a lot of black and brown people, has it affected you and your life, are you doing better, they say no, not really. So if you get under the hood of those numbers, the reality is for a lot of people, the economy is not doing so well for them. Theyre working two jobs and their costs are going up. And the problem is on top of that, you have a problem who then creates all this anxiety for people. Again, what we hear just in the focus groups ive done, people are exhausted. So i think theres a feeling of just, can we just have calm . Can we wake up in the morning and not worry . Think if you were in cleveland, ohio, reading headlines. Were buying greenland. Were not. Were going to denmark, were not. Theres going to be pay roll tax cut, were not. Meanwhile, people are nervous. They were already nervous that we saw this with president obama and his reelection in 2012. Even though the economy was strong, people were very anxious and did not quite know if they could trust it. I think that has carried on. It does not make you feel more comfortable or confident. Yeah. Listen. Our time is short because of the breaking news as you understand. Who knows what well be reporting on tomorrow . Wake up [ laughter ] no thank you. I appreciate it. What weve heard from the president in the past few days, really a few hours, raise serious questions about his fitness for hours. And it is exhausting and debilitating for the nation. Well discuss it next. 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If you made decisions that cost your Company Money and were not based on sound financial practices, how long would you last . If you lied about anything and everything, would anybody believe a word that you said . Would they . My guests are here. You first. If donald trump was your uber driver and he behaved the way he does as president , you would jump out of a moving vehicle. Why . You would have a higher chance of survival. If donald trump was your employee, every day hr would come and fire him because of his racist comments, his antimuslim behavior. If donald trump were the manager of a starbucks, he would within a month destroy the profits, increase the debt and promote petes coffee. Thats how bad he is. Thankfully hes the commanderinchief of over 330 Million People with access to the red button and he could destroy world because the bar is soho for donald trump that he has to slither you understand it. I joke about it. This is where we are. Where the bar has been lowered for a man who is corrupt and incompetent and i think he is the closen one and he can come to terms with china for the trade war that he lost. Why dont you tell us how you really feel. That was me being subtle. Why does donald trump get a pass . Imagine if you came here as a contributor and you did all that i said. What would happen . I would be shown the door. The reality is at the end of the day, the donald trump that were talking about today, that weve seen the last few weeks, was the same donald trump that came down the escalator and ran for president. Why people are voting for him again is because of the policy pes represents. Many dont like the way he does it. To use the analogy, i dont like the way he drives the uber but they dont like the way he delivers the starbucks but they like the coffee. This president is delivering on many of the things that these people want. He was not my first, second, third, fourth or fifth choice for nominee but he was the eventual nominee. At the end of the day, when it came down to who would i support . The policies of the democratic president or the policies of this republican president , i will support him every time. Because its inappropriate to question his fitness for office, whether or not he should be reelect, because you dont like his policies. And you cannot deny the fact, these people today and this past week and the months to come are questioning his fitness for office, dont like his policies. It is not because they question his fitness. I think it is because he says things like hes the chose 81 one on the white house lawn. Who says that . If youre an evangelical and someone says youre the chosen one, theres only one chosen one. Thats who . Donald trump no. Sorry, my bad. My bad. Jesus. Seriously, youre a christian, right . I am an evangelical christian. And the chosen one is who . Our lord and savior jesus christ. Without a doubt. As god as my savior, i can tell you, christians that support this president , jeg christians, recognize the fact that he might not walk the same way we walk and may not talk the way that we talk and he is not of the same cloth as many christians. But at the end of the day, he represents our beliefs in the white house and will execute them. Which is far more than any can say when they reached out to Democratic Candidates. They give us okay. I understand what youre saying. I know you want let me put your tweet up. I know this is where youre going. Please dont sell out your religion for donald trump. Dont betray jesus for this conman. All of us including you deserve better. Sincerely, a concerned muslim who loves jesus and knows trump is not the king of the juice or the Second Coming of god. You think evangelicals are selling out. To what end . Because they believe that donald trump is cyrus. They call them persian pagan king who was a blunt instrument. Who will help them deliver religious freedoms. Will give them conservative judges. Who will be prolife and will help protect israel. That because they care about jews. Because they need to control israel for the Second Coming of god. When jesus comes back for the end of times, prophecy. As anship who went to an all Boys Catholic High School where they taught us to be men for others, i will say open up the good book. Read mark. 8 36. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul . Think about that. Its not worth it. You deserve better. I can tell you zero 2020 candidates have reached out to the jeg groups, the many that i speak out with, zero. In 2016 when they were seeking out who they should support, donald trump reached out his hand and said, come on, lets make America Great. The republican candidate, Hillary Clinton looked at them and called them deplorable. You ask why they would support donald trump over the democratic candidate. Thats it right. There he supports their beliefs and connection kuts on what they want in the white house. The Democratic Candidates give them nothing. Jesus would not support locking up and separating children at the border. And so i would tell these evangelical christians, fol