Transcripts For CNNW CNN Tonight With Don Lemon 20190521 : c

Transcripts For CNNW CNN Tonight With Don Lemon 20190521

I was sitting here saying do you watch game of thrones. Everybody watches. Dont make me come over there in your new fancy studio. What are you going to do . I kicked your butt this weekend. My ear piece isnt working. Its coming across crazy. I have too much going on in my whole life to invest in tierians, syrians, whatever. Its a great, great play. Im sure it is. On all these different morality, great stuff. Im sure. Did you show off your new fancy studio yet . Take a look. Can we look at it . Wow, that is beautiful. It really looks amazing. Youre going to be dancing on those tiles like John Travolta in saturday night fever. Thats amazing. It looks great. Are you happy . I got my own staircase. Do you have your own cuomo prime time, the thing that drops from the ceiling. I didnt know it goes back up. Its on a crane. Make them put it up. I said tonight at the beginning of the show i apologize for my voice and i said we got new digs but the same sense of duty, brother. What happened to your voice . I dont know. Maybe it was allergies. Or spots yelling at you. Chris was helping me. Who told you to get it . You did. Dont laugh, every time were out with friends and even on your boat and we have the dogs and we dont have a life jacket on on the dogs people get really upset with us on social media. Ignore those people. I want the dogs to be safe. I almost jumped in the boat and beat you up just to make a point. Nice show, nice set. I have no idea what youre talking about with game of thrones. Im watching the rifleman with jeff connors. Simple justice. See ya later. Have a great show. This is cnn tonight, im don lemon. The president hitting the campaign trail in pennsylvania. But hes facing huge legal setbacks tonight and all the Campaign Rallies in the world. What wont make them go away . Whats happening . Whats happening now could be the beginning of the democrats counteroffensive on white house stonewalling and at least tonight they have the court and theyve got the court of law on their side. Thats after a ruling today by a federal judge that the president s Accounting Firm has to comply with the subpoena, whether he likes it or not. And turn over seven years worth of his financial records. The judge citing watergate, arguing history has shown that congressionally exposed criminal conduct by the president or other high ranking officials could lead to legislation which puts this right no congresss wheel house and disseminates the argument by the president s lawyers that congress doesnt have the right to oversight of the executive branch. The president , predictively, reacting by trying to blame obama. Theyre trying to get a redo or a doover and you cant do that, as far as the financials are concerned we think its the wrong its totally the wrong decision by obviously an obamaappointed judge. So always obamas fault. And then there is the return of trumps former fixer and keeper of secrets Michael Cohen. He is in prison now serving a threeyear term but the House Intel Committee tonight released transcripts of his 15 hours of closed door testimony to back up their argument that they need to further investigate the president , his businesses and his team. In the transcripts cohen alleges that the president s attorney jay sekulow, knew that cohens claim to congress that the trump tower moscow project ended in january of 2016, he knew that it was false. He also testified that sekulow told him pardons were under consideration for him and others to shut down the inquiries and to shut the investigations down. And i want you to listen to this. In answer to a question about whether he believed trump was an agent of russia, cohen said, and i quote here, i dont think hes an agent of russia, i think he likes russian women. But i dont think hes an agent of russia. Cohens lawyer replied thats not a crime, liking russian women and cohen responded, no, actually its funny. I have a document that he wrote on the Miss Universe pageant with a letter that he had sent i think to Vladimir Putin, russian women are beautiful, with an exclamation mark. So yes, he does like russian women, for the record. For the record. Then theres the news that former White House Counsel Don Mcgahn will defy a subpoena to testify in front of the house tomorrow and its looking like Robert Muellers testimony is very much in doubt. Theyre still negotiating. But at this point hes unlikely to appear before june and i want you to just look at what happens when someone speaks out against all of this, when a member of the president s own party says enough. When a member of Congress Stands up for the rule of law, just two days after republican congressman justin amash tweeted that he believes the president should be impeached just two days later a primary challenger is stepping up. Looks like the president and his party really want to shut this down. A Michigan State rep, jim lower, who once supported amash, announcing today hell run against the congressman in next years republican primary. And trump ally congressman mark meadows says this. Anytime that you come out against the president of your own party makes it very difficult to support in any primary challenge. Well, but thats not stopping congressman amash. He didnt back down. He doubled down on twitter today. And lets face it the best way to get the president s attention may be to tweet. The congressman pushing back on trump defenders who say an underlying crime would not would be necessary to impeach him for obstruction. Tweeting that there were many crimes revealed by the investigation. Some of which were charged and some of which were not. Youve got to read the report. The president , as usual, taking the whole thing really personally. Hes been against trump from the beginning. Hes been a loser for a long time, rarely votes for republicans. And, you know, personally, i think hes not much. Again, go read the report, people. But the congressman sure doesnt seem worried about any of that. Sir, what about President Trump calling you a loser . Okay. A primary opponent now, youre running after your tweets about impeachment . Its not serious. So you feel like youre safe for two more years after this . I feel very confident in my district. Someone with a backbone. In the face of all this, the president is sticking to his no, don mcgahn wont testify, no bob mueller wont turn over the full report. No, no, no, no, no complying with lawful subpoenas. Lets remember the president himself said this. Were fighting all the subpoenas. But its beginning to look like there are cracks in the stonewalling strategy. The question is will all these legal battles bring us any closer to the truth . The question is, are you going to read the report for yourself . Or are you going to believe the president and his mouthpieces, what they say . The president facing some big legal issues tonight and what could be the beginning of democrats counteroffensive. Will all this spell trouble for the white house . Were going to dig into that with sara murray, Matthew Rosenberg and elie honig, next. Memories. What we deliver by delivering. Yeahhh there we go this memorial day, start your summer off right in a new chevrolet. Oh, wow its time to upgrade. You guys out did yourselves there. Im gonna go and get a chevy. An exciting summer begins at your chevy dealer. And now, during the chevy Memorial Day Sales event, get 0 financing for 72 months on these select chevy models. 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Belongings dont just show what we care about. They show who we are. Shop etsy. Com its nice. You got this woo three big legal issues tonight involving President Trump, the House Intelligence Committee releasing transcripts. The federal judge ordering an Accounting Firm to hand over trumps financial records to congress and the white house directing former counsel don mcgahn to defy a subpoena and refuse to testify tomorrow before the house yJudiciary Committee. There is a lot to discuss. Sara murray and elie honig. Everybody is defying everything. We can all go home, nothing to report here. Is that right right, sara . I guess its done, nothing more to do, no coequal branch of the government anymore, the president s just going to do whatever he wants except for, you know, the minor issue of judges which is still a thing and theyve been weighing in on this. Theres new details coming in about Michael Cohens closed door house testimony released tonight. He said that jay sekulow knew his testimony about trump tower moscow was false, right . Thats right. And, you know, here is how Michael Cohen explained it for himself in this testimony. Heres a back and forth he had with adam schiff. So adam schiff says, so mr. Sekulow told you that the president had read your written testimony, false written testimony before you provided it to congress. And Michael Cohen says yes, that he, mr. Sekulow said that he spoke to the client and that, you know, the client likes it and that its good. So, you know, by Michael Cohens reasoning here the president had looked at this testimony, realized that it was inaccurate, signed off on it, that jay sekulow also knew it was inaccurate, signed off on it and then they sent it to congress. There are a lot of assumptions, sort of built into that answer, don, but thats how Michael Cohen described it when he testified before congress. Okay, elie honig, lets bring you in now, theres a little more to the testimony about whether sekulow knew cohens testimony was false and im going to read something to you here from representative peter welch. He said sekulow knew that june was the right month, not january, if he took it to his client, that he spoke to the client, that he would know that it would be false. What does that mean for sekulow . So, first of all, Michael Cohen has to be regarded as only a starting point in an investigation. Looking at this from a prosecutors lens Michael Cohen has serious credibility issues. His story hasnt always been exactly consistent. The key here is corroboration and theres two questions about, did two people know . One, did jay sekulow know that the testimony was false as to how far into 2016 the trump tower moscow went and then two is, did the client, meaning donald trump know . Now, look if its just Michael Cohen saying so, i dont think thats enough to get anyone really anywhere. The big question is going to be, is there something backing up Michael Cohen, are there emails or drafts that sekulow may have red lined or edited . That will tell the ultimate story here. Interesting. So sara, the issue of pardons,let talk about, cohen told lawmakers they were to shut the investigations down. What else did he say under oath about that . Thats right. Again, Michael Cohen, grain of salt, hes talking again in testimony with adam schiff and schiff says is it your testimony that whatever happened was done with the knowledge and authority of the president . And Michael Cohen says i believe so and this is all part of this discussion about how Michael Cohen is saying these were conversations that were done with the president included, according to Michael Cohens version of events that were done essentially to shut down the investigation, you know, that he wanted the president , the president s lawyers, wanted apparently people like Michael Cohen to know, look, youre on the inside, youre still in the president s good graces, if you essentially dont cooperate, youll get this pardon, theres nothing to worry about for you here. Thats not how these things worked out, don, but again, Michael Cohen, grain of salt. Everyone keeps saying grain of salt but again, as elie said this is a starting point and if jay sekulow knew the testimony was false, this is just the beginning point, where does the congress or anyone, investigators, go from here . I mean, look, if they figure that out, they can corroborate that, pointed out, thats bad. It brings it a lot closer to trump. But how are you going to corroborate it . I dont know how you do that unless there are drafts, there are emails. But we dont know if there are. We have no evidence there are right now. What do you think of all this, then, give us your what do you think . I mean, if i were trump id be much more worried about the financial records. That, you know, the other news today, that a judge ruled that his Accounting Firm has to turn over his financial records. You know, all the reporting weve seen so far, looked like he was inflating values for his assets. It looks like a lot of issues, potential fraud. And i think if i were him id be a lot more worried about that. Were going to talk more about that in the next block. I want to continue on with this vain with cohen and sekulow. Elie, give me your legal expertise. Cohen told the committee that jay sekulow told him that pardons were under consideration for him and others and they were about shutting the investigations down. What does this sound like to you . To me, don, this is more strongly corroborated than the first piece about the false testimony because this is not really news to us. Robert mueller in the report has an entire section about the president dangling pardons and using pardons, or the promise of pardons, to try to dissuade people from cooperating. We saw some more detail about that last week relating to michael flynn. We know that he tried the same thing with paul manafort. Its one thing if Michael Cohen says it. Its another thing if Robert Mueller has already put it in his report and by the way and the president s tweeted about it. The president praised manafort and roger stone and attacked Michael Cohen for being a rat. This is an area i consider more strongly corroborated with respect to cohens testimony. When i thought things couldnt get more bizarre, were talking about how he likes russian women. Theres this whole thing how trump was an agent of russia, right, and he said he didnt think so but cohen added he thinks he likes russian women. How he sent a letter to putin saying russian women were beautiful. What do you make of this . Look, i think at this point we know how the president talks about women. Its not a secret to any of us at this point. Look, does it really matter if hes an agent of russia or not . He has views, theyre sympathetic to Vladimir Putin and to russia on a number of issues and we have an election coming up. Thats something americans can decide if they want that in the oval office, or not, thats where it is. Does it really matter if hes an agent of russia . I think it does matter. It does matter, of course. But we dont we have no evidence of that, you know. Okay. We have ind kagications but have no evidence. I want to talk about rudy giuliani, of course, elie, coming to jay sekulows defense. Tweeting this, jay sekulow is one of the very most ethical lawyers and honest men i have ever known. Michael cohen is a serial liar, he should be prosecuted for his blatant perjury. Jay should get the most effective and ethical lawyer of the year award. What does that make rudy giuliani. Im not aware of that particular award. I think what arudy giuliani is saying is a more blunt version, if cohen says this, sekulow says that, its not going to be resolved in cohen favor. In jay sekulow, i dont know him personally, varying opinions of him, hes certainly been aggressive in defending the president. If its just he said he said, but it will all come down to where the hard proof is. I imagine theres got to be drafts and emails. I know some who work on this committee and i guarantee you he is not going to ride anything on just Michael Cohens word. Hes not going to step out there unless hes got something to back it up. Do you guys ever listen to jay sekulows radio show . No. You should, because maybe youd have a different opinion. I was in louisiana at when my sister died and we were driving in new orleans and i found this very conservative Radio Station that jay sekulow is on and i was shocked at some conspiracy theories hes pushing on his radio show. The things he pushes on that radio show you would be surprised. Everyone stay with me. Don mcgahn defying a house subpoena and refusing to testify in front of the Judiciary Committee tomorrow and the chair of the committee is worrying about the consequences of not showing up. Last year, the department of Veterans Affairs partnered with tmobile for business. With va video connect, powered by tmobile, vets can speak to their doctor

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