The courage to stand against it. And in that moment i knew the threat to this nation was unlike any i had ever seen in my lifetime. So thats it. Heres the question. Which charlottesville event will decide the direction of this country . Will it be the president s defense of White Supremacists . Or will it be biden standing in opposition at the very start of his campaign . Framing the choice in 2020 as one that will define the character of this country. We are in the battle for the soul of this nation. I believe history will look back on four years of this president and all he embraces as an abhorrent moment in time. But if we give donald trump eight years in the white house he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation, who we are, and i cannot stand by and watch that happen. The core values of this nation, our standing in the world, our very democracy, everything thats made America America is at stake. But can character trump trumpism . Can character trump trumpism . I want you to listen to what biden said. It was just a little while ago. It was at a fundraiser in philadelphia. And here is the quote. It says, i dont think theres ever been a time, an election where more is at stake about the future of the country. Im hoping that in a couple of years well look back and say whether its me or anybody else replacing it that this is an aberration in american history, this four years, because it is not who we are. So when biden suggests that donald trump is like a cancer on the presidency, one that can be excised and the country will be healed, is he right . Or is he ignoring not only everything that has happened in the trump era, but also the lesson of eight years of opposition to president barack obama . When republicans did everything in their power to stop his agenda in its tracks. Remember the quote, make him a oneterm president. Time will tell. Biden is the frontrunner, but hes a long way from being the nominee. And he certainly has things to regret over his very long career. We all have things in our past that we wish we could undo. Ive got to think that joe biden wishes he could undo his handling of anita hills testimony during Clarence Thomas nomination, there he is up on the screen. He said last month that she faced hostile and insulting questioning when she testified that thomas had sexually harassed her. And then biden went on to say that anita hill paid a terrible price, she was abused through the hearing, she was taken advantage of, her reputation was attacked, thats a quote. And were learning that the former Vice President called her earlier this month to personally share his regret. But hill tells the New York Times tonight that she is not satisfied and cant support bidens candidacy. So i want you to think about this, okay . Why should she . Dont you think its unfair to expect her to support him . Its unfair to expect that anita hill would just put aside an experience that was so publicly painful, an experience that changed everything for her, one shes had to live with for 28 years, surely you can understand that, why should we expect that . Shes not required to support biden. And we dont know what was said in their private conversation. I think it is unfair to assume that joe bidens regret was a transaction. Something he did to get her support. You can believe that what joe biden did in 1991 during the thomas hearings was wrong, and at the same time believe that joe biden would not handle things the same way in 2019, in 2020, in 2021 or 2022. 2019 lens for 1991. Voters will make up their minds about that, about whether he has done enough to apologize and make amends and how important that is to their vote. As for anita hill, she gets to believe and demand whatever she wants after the experience she went through. Its not for anyone else to say what apology she should accept or not accept. She also told the times this, listen, another quote that she does not find mr. Bidens conduct disqualifying. Thats what she said. Thats what the article says. But as biden declared his candidacy today it seems like he has gotten under some peoples skin. I just want you to listen to something the president s daughterinlaw lara trump said today. Joe biden is just among a sea now of other candidates who quite frankly are all trying to outbernie one another. I didnt hear any proposals for the future of this country in his announcement video he made there, race baiting as usual as we see from the democrats. Race baiting. You would think those words would just stick in her throat, accusing joe biden of race baiting. Has she met donald trump . When its her fatherinlaw, the president of the United States who, as biden points out, defended White Supremacists in charlottesville you also had people that were very fine people on both sides, you had people in that group excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. Well, remember it was donald trump who launched his campaign with an attack on mexicans, who called african nations shithole countries, who promoted the racist birther lie that president obama was not born in this country. President trump, who tweets about anything and everything, never got around to tweeting about the burnings of three africanamerican churches in louisiana just a few weeks ago, never got around to that. Also, did he ever apologize to president obama . On and on and on. The question again, can character trump trumpism . Can biden unite a party whose diverse progressive wing seems to be getting all the attention . So they may seem to be getting all the attention. But the fact is about 50 of the democratic voters identify as moderate or conservative. About the same percentage are at least 50 years old. So dont count biden out. He could be right up their alley. This election wont be decided on twitter. It will be decided at the ballot box. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of the members of the Democratic Party are still basically liberal, moderate democrats in the traditional sense. Show me the really left, left, leftwings leftwingers who will beat a republican. The idea that the democratic stood on its head, i dont get it. Heres the dilemma for democrats, okay . Will this election be about breaking the mold or about electability . Which means beating trump. Van jones is going to be on the program a little bit later but our own van jones, and i told him this is brilliant, he said this, he put it really well today, with the margin of trumps victory, just about 77,744 votes in three states, youve got to take a really close look at a guy who could win those votes. Do we want to go with new, fresh, young faces going to throw out, you know, the most inspiring ideas, or do we just need to find somebody who can bring us back together and frankly get those 70,000 midwestern voters to come back over the face. Because dont forget, we lost the industrial midwest, three states, by a total of 70,000 votes. Joe biden can get those 70,000 votes without getting out of bed in the morning. While democrats are facing the momentous choice of who can best challenge trump in 2020, they face another equally momentous choice, what to do about a president whos lied to the american people, whos stonewalling, ordering his aides to defy lawful subpoenas from congress, who tried again and again to obstruct justice and pressured his aides to do it for him. Its not just me whos saying that. Okay . Fasten your seat belts. Fox news senior judicial analyst andrew napolitano. Im dispointed in the im disappointed in the behavior of the president. His job is to preserve, protect and uphold the constitution of the United States, to enforce federal law, not to violate it. If he had ordered his aides to violate federal law, to save a human life, or to preserve human freedom he would at least have a moral defense to his behavior. But ordering them to break federal law to save him from the consequences of his own behavior, that is immoral, that is criminal, that is defenseless, and that is condemnable. Fox news. Judge andrew napolitano. What are directs going to do . Are they going to rely on the battle box . Are they going to rely on impeachment . Will they unite behind a candidate who can defeat trump . Or will they put the president on trial . Like i said, it is a momentous choice, one that could change the direction of this country. To Kaitlan Collins at the white house now. Kaitlan, good evening to you. Youve got reporting about the president and how worried he is about joe biden. What are you hearing . Reporter don, the president was just asked what he thinks about joe biden entering the race today. Of course he was repeating the same criticisms he had earlier in the day, essentially questioning his intelligence. But, don, he did seem bothered by the fact in joe bidens video he immediately brought up charlottesville and the way the president was criticized for how he handled that, as you showed the video of what the president said and what the president seemed to be worried about there, don, despite what he thinks of joe biden and despite his criticisms of him, he did note the fact that he does have name recognition, something that sources have said that the president has been worried about when it comes to joe biden. So, kaitlan, biden was front and center today. Today, talk of the news, the president wasnt on tv as much. Is that pretty much the worst fate of all for President Trump . Reporter weve talked to Campaign Sources and theyve said they do think it could be a problem with the president because its such a crowded field of democrats which they think it could be helpful, they think the democrats will badly bruise each other before the end of the primary. A president who likes to be on the headlines, thats something theyre worried about, when the president sees the democrats getting air time, the president is going to want to involve himself more in a race than typically you would see a president do so. Kaitlan collins at the white house. Kaitlan, thank you so much. Can joe biden rebuild a blue wall that donald trump broke down in 2016 . Im going to ask a midwestern former governor who knows biden well, and that is john kasich, hes next. Webut some of us turn outhose dreams. Into action. The bookers. The doers. The hit that confirmation button and lets go ers because bookers know that the Perfect Place to stay. Is right there for the booking. Be a booker at booking. Com the worlds 1 choice for booking accommodations. Welcome to fowler, indiana. One of the windiest places in america. And home to three bp wind farms. In the offchance the wind ever stops blowing here. The lights can keep on shining. Thanks to our natural gas. 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Cnn is reporting that President Trump is worried about biden. Should he be, john . Sure, of course he should be. It was interesting don as you mentioned that he didnt attack any of his democrat opponents here. What i found interesting, as i watched that little video this morning, i think hes just going to try to ignore them. I think his campaign now is going to direct himself at donald trump. I dont think hes going to be hes going to get pulled in to some degree, but i think at all times hes going to be aiming at trump. Its me and trump. Heres what trump is, heres what i am, and i think thats what hes going to try to do. As to whether he can avoid the pitfalls, were going to have to wait and see. Joes got a lot of experience. People say, well, you know, he had other campaigns that didnt go very well. You have to learn and hes learned a lot. So well see what happens. Hes going to have gaffes. I said the other day, don, look, he likes to talk a lot. I told somebody, i got on a plane with him in washington, we landed in new york, when we got on the plane in washington i said how you doing and when we landed in new york he finished. You know . So he talks. But as john mccain used to say joe talks a lot, but we love him. You said its nice to see you. Exactly. Ive got to ask you, though, we can talk about pitfalls, its early on, maybe its good, who knows, that he gets these things out of the way early and then hes on to Something Else. I dont know. Youre the political person. Youre also a midwestern governor. You know the people. I also ran for president. Yes, you sure did. Can biden rebuild that blue wall that trump broke through, win back those states like pennsylvania, like wisconsin, michigan maybe even your home state of ohio . Don, doesnt he feel doesnt joe biden feel like a person that can talk to the lunch bucket crowd, to the blue collar crowd . I mean, thats why i relate to joe. Im from pittsburgh originally, hes over there in delaware. Hes a guy he does a lot of hugging and how you doing, man, kind of thing and he looks you in the eye. And he has an appeal, a certain appeal because what people want to know is do you get me . And what biden, i think, can communicate, if he does it well, that, hey, i get you, i understand you, i understand what your problem is, because i grew up with it. And, you know, i think that that is a key to pennsylvania, to michigan, to ohio, to wisconsin. I cant predict the states yet. But, yes, i think that he could because of who he is and his positions that will be more moderate i think he will be able to win those votes and i think hell win some disaffected republicans if he makes it through, well see. All right. I think youre on to something there. I think youre on to something because those are the people, the disaffected republicans, the centrists in the Democratic Party, actually the moderates, the people who actually go out and vote the most, they felt that they werent paid attention to in 2016, right, like, you know, and so many of them voted for trump. So heres my question then. You know what its like to be a candidate in the primary who could have been a formidable player in the general election. But with the party seemingly, thats seemingly going, if you look at the news media you might believe are the people who get the attention that its going in another direction. Im wondering how joe biden can navigate that. Let me preface this by saying 50 of the democratic voters identify as moderate or conservative and the same percentage are at least 50 years old, and those are the people who show up. So, again, my question is, can biden navigate that . Well, i think, don, what you have to understand is think about this when i was in the race against trump we had rules in the Republican Party winner takes all. Hed get 30 of the vote and lose 70 of the vote and hed win all the delegates. The Democratic Party is different. Theyre not going to have winner take all. So joes going to claim the mantle. I think its why Terry Mcauliffe didnt get in the race, he saw biden in his lane and biden was really going to big foot him. He was going to have power in that area. He doesnt have to win the hard left, he has to win enough to accumulate delegates. I heard you say earlier whos going to break the mold and have all these new ideas . How about these ideas, that debt matters and we shouldnt enslave our kids. How about the idea that we need to deal with health care and not take away preexisting conditions without blowing up the whole system and getting rid of private insurance . How about trade, where were going to go back to a level Playing Field without opposing all of these tariffs and walking away from trade deals or walking away from the climate deal. Those are really good ideas, you dont have to go reinvent the wheel with the Green New Deal in order to have some good ideas. And a return, by the way, to some normalcy, return to normalcy. Trump or bidens message today was, did you hear what the president said about charlottesville and there were many good people . Biden says thats not the country we want to believe in. And so its a message thats bigger than his tax plan, his health care plan, its a message of values. And well see how it goes. Hes saying he hopes well look back over time and say the last four years, this four years that somehow it didnt happen. What did he say . That it was an aberration, is what he said. So let me ask you this. He says that he believes that if you get rid of this president that you will get rid of this you will put this toxic era behind us. Do you think its that simple . No, i dont. I think but what biden could do, or what any leader could do is, don, he needs to bring out the best in ourselves. See, i have a different theory than a lot of people. I think power comes from the bottom up. If you look at the civil rights movement, the politicians were running as fast as they could away from the issues. It was only when the churches, the public, people who were not church people, who saw the injustice, the lack of morality who said were changing this and they just shoved it down the politicians throats. There were leaders in the politics but frankly the change came from the people. And what we have to do is convince people in this country any leader who, hey, remember what john kennedy said, its not what your country does for you, its what you do for your country. This notion that we can be bigger and better that we all matter and we dont have to hate one another, i saw you and cuomo the other day talking about religion. Look, religion, two big commandments. Love god, love your neighbor as you want your neighbor to love you. Look out for somebody else. This is where we need to get back to. Whoever can ignite that, i think, is going to do well. I found that on the trail, don, issues mattered less and the fact that i could connect with them in term