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President , whatever. The campaign was mentioned 22 times in this indictment. Mmhmm. Okay. Well, theyre talking about collusion. I know what theyre saying. But it does touch the president. Yeah. This is the president s campaign. It touches him all over the place. These are people he knew. Yep. Didnt your mom ever tell you, you shouldnt hang out with those folks. You say why. Because people will think youre like them. Because birds of a feather flock together. Look at the people around this president. 37 people and entities have been charged by special counsel Robert Mueller. A lot of those are russian nationals. But michael flynn, rick gates, george papadopoulos, Michael Cohen, and now roger stone. Look, you know, you dont have to emphasize what is already obvious, okay . And, again, the reason i built this argument around the three amigos, the fact that when manafort and stone got into the stink, people said, like Sarah Sanders today, it has nothing to do. It cant have nothing to do. He knew these people the longest and the best. The idea that he didnt know what they did for him and what theyre capable of and what theyre like and who they know, it strains keducredulity. He had to know. Did he commit a crime . We dont know anything about that. Did he collude they may have . But that he didnt know what they were doing . Hard to believe. Look, you grew up here, meaning new york city. I started in new york city in the 90s, and i knew about donald trump and some of these characters. Im looking over my glasses to say, really . Youre going to fell me you didnt know what these people were about and what they were capable of before you sought their counsel, before you put them on as advisers, before you hired them . Really . I may have been born yesterday, but it wasnt last night. Give me a break. Heres the fight. As they say, dont play me. Play lotto. But go on. Heres the fight were going to have, not you and me. This is going to be the fight. Well, but none of it is a crime. There was never any proof that the president committed any crimes. How can he be in any trouble . My argument is that is not and has never been the standard of accountability for a president of the United States. And even if you talk about impeachment and, again, i see that as a remote aspect of the possibilities here. High crime or misdemeanor does not mean crimes or misdemeanors necessarily. As gerald ford told us what he was president , its whatever Congress Says it is, which means its whatever the American People call for. I actually dont see it. I actually dont see it happening. I dont think that he will be impeached. I see it as a very remote possibility. Whether he should or not, listen, thats a different pay grade than me. But i think if people really if they dont want this president , its not up for me. Vote for whoever you want to vote for, and you and i will be sitting here on television, as you say testing them, and as i say, criticizing them or looking at them with a critical eye. But if you really dont want this person as president , vote him out. That is the cleanest way to create change in our system. Were done with him. Hes gone. Get out of here. Thats it. Some people say that takes too long. Its too far away. They believe this is so egregious, he could be a threat to our National Security because if he were willing to enable these kinds of actions or stand idly by as they went by, that makes him dangerous. Again, i think that requires a threshold of proof that i havent seen. But i know what the right questions are, and i know whats suspicious. Do you always want an asterisk by the name going, oh, well, people drove him out of office, or maybe he was unfairly removed from office. Whatever. The best way if you want to get rid of this president , if you dont like him, if you want someone else as your president , vote for that other person, and dont vote for this president. Its really that simple. I get it. Ultimately what you want to see here are the facts and that, god willing, we will finally agree on a basic body of truth. We can feel different ways about it. You can want Different Things done, but that heres what mueller says. We have every reason to believe him, except for what the president says about it, who nobody agrees with who has ever worked with the guy before. And now lets go from there. Thats the only thing that i want. If i have a want in this, i want that report for us to come out, for us to get all of it, to digest it. But ive got to tell you, ive never seen a guy do what roger stone did today in his position. The day hes indicted with legal counsel, in an indictment that reads like this one, don they only got to get you on one of these things to put you away. And he comes out and says, lets go. Yeah. Im not a crook. He did the whole thing. Yeah, he did. I got some bedtime stories, so im going to have to go here. I have to read from your favorite. Is that signed . No, its not. Maybe you can get it signed for me. Theyre going to wind up putting pelosis face on that book. Or you can sign it for me. To don, from both sides chris. Thats called jjournalism. Of all your insults, that bothers me the least. Chris, thank you. Have a good weekend. You too. See you later. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Has there ever been a worse day for President Trump . Think about it because this is a day he caved on the shutdown without his wall, suffering a total, abject defeat at the hands of the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. This is a day the president s dirty trickster ally, roger stone, was nabbed in a predawn raid by the fbi and indicted by Robert Mueller after he allegedly went to wikileaks to get stolen emails to damage Hillary Clintons campaign. Is it any wonder on a day like this that donald trump was the picture of the sad president , or as he been known to say, low energy . Look. Is it any wonder the president didnt sound as proud as he said he was when he announces td the zeal to reopen the government. Watch this. I am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. [ applause ] applause . Really . What is there to applaud . This president shut down the federal government, leaving 800,000 workers without paying and creating chaos all across the country, only to take a deal that he could have taken 35 days ago. The emperor not only has no clothes, he has no walls. But he apparently couldnt resist immediately adlibbing this. As everyone knows, i have a very powerful alternative, but i didnt want to use it at this time. Hopefully it will be unnecessary. Of course, it is a powerful alternative. Is there any other kind for the president . Presumably he means declaring a national emergency. But i want you to ask yourself this. If it wasnt an emergency for the first two years of the Trump Administration, if it wasnt an emergency for the 35 days the government was shut down, if youre apparently willing to wait three more weeks, can you really call this an emergency . One trump adviser is telling cnn that the president lost bigleague, or is it bigly . Bigly, i think, saying, quote, the white house is walking in a valley tonight. So what exactly was the point of all of this . What was it . Why . What was the point of throwing 800,000 people into chaos with no paychecks . What was the point of federal workers going hungry, sleeping in their cars to save on gas, going without desperately needed medical treatment . What was the point . What was the point if all the president was going to do was take the deal he could have taken more than a month ago, or a little over two weeks ago, when this president stormed out of a white house meeting, when Speaker Pelosi said no on his wall. The president claimed to be proud today, but weve heard that before. I am proud to shut down the government for Border Security, chuck. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. Im not going to blame you for it. So listen to the president s latest attempt to bamboozle his base tonight. Quote, this was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it is off to the races. This is all about ego. Thats what that is. Its about a white house completely out of touch with reality after inflicting more than a month of pain on people who had nothing to do with making this mess. The president can learn a lesson from a little bestseller. Here it is. Its called the art of the deal. Shall we do some bedtime reading . Pages 48 and 49, okay . Here we go. Pages 48 and 49. It says, quote, the point is you cant be too greedy. If you go for a home run on every pitch, youre going to strike out a lot. I try never to leave myself too exposed, even if it means sometimes settling for a triple, a double, or even, on a rare occasion, a single. Or in this case, striking out and ending up going home with nothing. And then there is the state of the union. Nancy pelosi not budging on that either. The state of the union is not planned now. What i had said to the president is when government is open, we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and ill look forward to doing that and welcoming the president. Chuck schumer may have said it best. No one should ever underestimate the speaker as donald trump has learned. A word of advice, though, chuck. Dont spike the ball. Dont be a sore winner. All right . All of this on the same day the fbi came for roger stone in an earlymorning raid at his florida home. The indictment from muellers office, Robert Muellers office, charges that stone sought stolen emails from wikileaks damaging to thencandidate trumps opponent at the direction of Senior Trump Campaign officials. The president s longtime ally appeared in federal court in ft. Lauderdale this morning. But outside the courtroom, it was a different roger stone that we saw. In a defiant v for victory pose. Hmm. Does that remind you of anyone . Oh, yeah, the man whose face is tattooed on stones back. Stone saying this. As i have always said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. And just listen to what stone had to say about the fbi raid this morning. They terrorized my wife, my dogs. I was taken to the fbi facility although i must say the fbi agents were extraordinarily courteous. Okay. So which is it . They terrorized or extremely courteous agents, who by the way were doing their jobs without pay during this shutdown. The white house reacting today. Sarah sanders, there she is. This has nothing to do with the president , and certainly nothing to do with the white house. Except for the fact that roger stone has been part of Donald Trumps inner circle since the 1970s and was an official on his campaign until august of 2015, and stayed in touch with the campaign throughout the election. That is according to muellers indictment. The president himself praised his longtime cronys guts in a tweet last month, for saying i will never testify against trump. So heres the big picture, okay . Roger stone is the latest of 37 people and entities charged by the special counsel, Robert Mueller. The list includes six trump associates, including Michael Cohen, michael flynn, rick gates, Paul Manafort, george papadopoulos, and now roger stone. Mueller has brought 199 total criminal charges in all. Seven of those counts were added today for roger stone. And all of that makes what happened today a very, very big deal. From roger stone to the president caving on the wall, weve got a lot to talk about with charlie dent, Kirsten Powers, ryan lizza, next. Thisyeah. Ice. Yeah, this is nice. Mmmm how did you make the dip so rich and creamy . Oh, its a philadelphia family recipe. Can i see it . No. New philadelphia dips. So good, youll take all the credit. The new Capital One Savor card. Earn 4 cash back on dining and 4 on entertainment. Now when you go out, you cash in. Whats in your wallet . You see clear skin. Cosentyx can help people with moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis find clear skin that can last. Dont use if youre allergic to cosentyx. Before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. An increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. Tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if youve had a vaccine or plan to. Serious allergic reactions may occur. How sexy are these elbows . Ask your dermatologist about cosentyx. Ask your dermatologist went to ancestry, i put in the names of my grandparents first. I got a leaf right away. A leaf is a hint that is connected to each person in your family tree. I learned that my ten times great grandmother is George Washingtons aunt. Within a few days i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow, im related to george washington. This is my cousin george. Discover your story. Start searching for free now at ancestry. Com you heard my question at the top of the show. Has there ever been a worse day for President Trump . After vowing repeatedly he would never agree to open the government without a deal for money for his wall, he did exactly that today. On the same day his long time ally roger stone was indicted by the special counsel Robert Mueller. Lets bring in charlie dent, Kirsten Powers and ryan lizza. Ryan, you first. The president has a lot of bad days, right . Do you think this was his worst one yet . You know, id have to go back and review them. They always seem the worst when youre in the middle of them. But this one is up there. I mean the shutdown, the way this ended was completely predictable, right . Mmhmm. I mean it reminds me of that old episode of south park. Do you remember that episode, don, when the gnomes are stealing all the underwear in town . And the kids find out, and they confront them and say, what are you guys doing . They say, its our master business plan. They go to the gnomes business headquarters, and they put up a big chart. It says, step one, steal all the underwear. Step two is a giant question mark. Step three is, profit. Well, step one was shut down the government. There was no step two. Step three was, the wall gets funded. So that is my thats my take on that. Heres what i remember from south park i cant top that. Im sorry. Thats all i remember is they took our jobs. All right. So lets move on. Moving on, charlie, listen, everyone, democrats, moderates, conservatives, theyre all angry at the president. And in the end, theres no wall funding. Does this make him look weak now . Well, it makes him look incompetent. I mean this shutdown was an act of political, legislative, and governmental malpractice. I mean who would have ever thought this was a good idea to shut the government down before christmas, knowing that a Democratic House is going to take over and that they might somehow get a better deal in the new year . Ive said repeatedly these shutdowns always end the same way, with some kind of a clean funding bill for a limited duration of time. That is exactly whats happened. Was it you, charlie, who was on before, and i said, what is he doing . Doesnt he realize that when he comes back from the holidays, hes going to have zero leverage . Didnt i have that decision with you . I know i had it on this program. Yes, you did. I mean this is just this is almost breathtaking. And listen to what hes been taking advice from, ann koultco and the freedom caucus, people who would have never supported an agreement like this. They were the people guiding him through this whole process. I cant even begin to tell you how absurd and ridiculous this was. It was not only pointless, but also painful for so many people. Now theyre going to have a negotiation between now and february, and i hope there is some kind of agreement on Border Security, dreamers, daca, tps. I hope so, but i guess i dont have that much hope going forward. Kirsten, a couple questions for you. How long does the pain last, though, do you think . How long does it affect this administration . You mean trumps pain . Yeah. For what he did . Just for people being upset, blaming him on the shutdown, for the shutdown, not getting a paycheck and, you know, missing some of their rent or mortgage payments and on and on. Yeah. I mean i think thats one of those things that probably, you know, theres going to be some other crisis, and people will move on to. I mean things just happen so fast, there always seems to be other things happening, things that we cant even imagine that were going to be sitting here, saying, this was the worst day of his administration. I got you. All right. But i do think that well, and i said this at the time he did t. I thought he made a huge mistake not just because it was the wrong thing to do and he was going to pay a political price for it. I think he i dont know why he thinks that ann coulter and Rush Limbaugh have more power than he does. I think he really has he does have more power with the base. I remember why is he scared of them, right . I remember when he turned against fox news, and fox news was very antitrump in the beginning. And he bent them to his will. And they thought that they were more powerful than him, and they learned the hard way that they werent. Yeah. I dont know why he doesnt remember that lesson that he really shouldnt have caved to them because in the beginning, i dont even think this is what he wanted. I think he ultimately caved because he felt like he was losing his base. Did he underestimate pelosi . Oh 100 . But so many people have. You have people in our own caucus who have underestimated who before the election was telling her she was too old and needed to step aside. I think a lot of people owe her an apology. Charlie, i just want to read from the indictment. It says, after the july 2016 of stolen dnc emails by organization one, wikileaks by the way, a Senior Campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging Robert Mueller<\/a>. A lot of those are russian nationals. But michael flynn, rick gates, george papadopoulos, Michael Cohen<\/a>, and now roger stone. Look, you know, you dont have to emphasize what is already obvious, okay . And, again, the reason i built this argument around the three amigos, the fact that when manafort and stone got into the stink, people said, like Sarah Sanders<\/a> today, it has nothing to do. It cant have nothing to do. He knew these people the longest and the best. The idea that he didnt know what they did for him and what theyre capable of and what theyre like and who they know, it strains keducredulity. He had to know. Did he commit a crime . We dont know anything about that. Did he collude they may have . But that he didnt know what they were doing . Hard to believe. Look, you grew up here, meaning new york city. I started in new york city in the 90s, and i knew about donald trump and some of these characters. Im looking over my glasses to say, really . Youre going to fell me you didnt know what these people were about and what they were capable of before you sought their counsel, before you put them on as advisers, before you hired them . Really . I may have been born yesterday, but it wasnt last night. Give me a break. Heres the fight. As they say, dont play me. Play lotto. But go on. Heres the fight were going to have, not you and me. This is going to be the fight. Well, but none of it is a crime. There was never any proof that the president committed any crimes. How can he be in any trouble . My argument is that is not and has never been the standard of accountability for a president of the United States<\/a>. And even if you talk about impeachment and, again, i see that as a remote aspect of the possibilities here. High crime or misdemeanor does not mean crimes or misdemeanors necessarily. As gerald ford told us what he was president , its whatever Congress Says<\/a> it is, which means its whatever the American People<\/a> call for. I actually dont see it. I actually dont see it happening. I dont think that he will be impeached. I see it as a very remote possibility. Whether he should or not, listen, thats a different pay grade than me. But i think if people really if they dont want this president , its not up for me. Vote for whoever you want to vote for, and you and i will be sitting here on television, as you say testing them, and as i say, criticizing them or looking at them with a critical eye. But if you really dont want this person as president , vote him out. That is the cleanest way to create change in our system. Were done with him. Hes gone. Get out of here. Thats it. Some people say that takes too long. Its too far away. They believe this is so egregious, he could be a threat to our National Security<\/a> because if he were willing to enable these kinds of actions or stand idly by as they went by, that makes him dangerous. Again, i think that requires a threshold of proof that i havent seen. But i know what the right questions are, and i know whats suspicious. Do you always want an asterisk by the name going, oh, well, people drove him out of office, or maybe he was unfairly removed from office. Whatever. The best way if you want to get rid of this president , if you dont like him, if you want someone else as your president , vote for that other person, and dont vote for this president. Its really that simple. I get it. Ultimately what you want to see here are the facts and that, god willing, we will finally agree on a basic body of truth. We can feel different ways about it. You can want Different Things<\/a> done, but that heres what mueller says. We have every reason to believe him, except for what the president says about it, who nobody agrees with who has ever worked with the guy before. And now lets go from there. Thats the only thing that i want. If i have a want in this, i want that report for us to come out, for us to get all of it, to digest it. But ive got to tell you, ive never seen a guy do what roger stone did today in his position. The day hes indicted with legal counsel, in an indictment that reads like this one, don they only got to get you on one of these things to put you away. And he comes out and says, lets go. Yeah. Im not a crook. He did the whole thing. Yeah, he did. I got some bedtime stories, so im going to have to go here. I have to read from your favorite. Is that signed . No, its not. Maybe you can get it signed for me. Theyre going to wind up putting pelosis face on that book. Or you can sign it for me. To don, from both sides chris. Thats called jjournalism. Of all your insults, that bothers me the least. Chris, thank you. Have a good weekend. You too. See you later. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Has there ever been a worse day for President Trump<\/a> . Think about it because this is a day he caved on the shutdown without his wall, suffering a total, abject defeat at the hands of the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. This is a day the president s dirty trickster ally, roger stone, was nabbed in a predawn raid by the fbi and indicted by Robert Mueller<\/a> after he allegedly went to wikileaks to get stolen emails to damage Hillary Clintons<\/a> campaign. Is it any wonder on a day like this that donald trump was the picture of the sad president , or as he been known to say, low energy . Look. Is it any wonder the president didnt sound as proud as he said he was when he announces td the zeal to reopen the government. Watch this. I am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. [ applause ] applause . Really . What is there to applaud . This president shut down the federal government, leaving 800,000 workers without paying and creating chaos all across the country, only to take a deal that he could have taken 35 days ago. The emperor not only has no clothes, he has no walls. But he apparently couldnt resist immediately adlibbing this. As everyone knows, i have a very powerful alternative, but i didnt want to use it at this time. Hopefully it will be unnecessary. Of course, it is a powerful alternative. Is there any other kind for the president . Presumably he means declaring a national emergency. But i want you to ask yourself this. If it wasnt an emergency for the first two years of the Trump Administration<\/a>, if it wasnt an emergency for the 35 days the government was shut down, if youre apparently willing to wait three more weeks, can you really call this an emergency . One trump adviser is telling cnn that the president lost bigleague, or is it bigly . Bigly, i think, saying, quote, the white house is walking in a valley tonight. So what exactly was the point of all of this . What was it . Why . What was the point of throwing 800,000 people into chaos with no paychecks . What was the point of federal workers going hungry, sleeping in their cars to save on gas, going without desperately needed medical treatment . What was the point . What was the point if all the president was going to do was take the deal he could have taken more than a month ago, or a little over two weeks ago, when this president stormed out of a white house meeting, when Speaker Pelosi<\/a> said no on his wall. The president claimed to be proud today, but weve heard that before. I am proud to shut down the government for Border Security<\/a>, chuck. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. Im not going to blame you for it. So listen to the president s latest attempt to bamboozle his base tonight. Quote, this was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it is off to the races. This is all about ego. Thats what that is. Its about a white house completely out of touch with reality after inflicting more than a month of pain on people who had nothing to do with making this mess. The president can learn a lesson from a little bestseller. Here it is. Its called the art of the deal. Shall we do some bedtime reading . Pages 48 and 49, okay . Here we go. Pages 48 and 49. It says, quote, the point is you cant be too greedy. If you go for a home run on every pitch, youre going to strike out a lot. I try never to leave myself too exposed, even if it means sometimes settling for a triple, a double, or even, on a rare occasion, a single. Or in this case, striking out and ending up going home with nothing. And then there is the state of the union. Nancy pelosi not budging on that either. The state of the union is not planned now. What i had said to the president is when government is open, we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and ill look forward to doing that and welcoming the president. Chuck schumer may have said it best. No one should ever underestimate the speaker as donald trump has learned. A word of advice, though, chuck. Dont spike the ball. Dont be a sore winner. All right . All of this on the same day the fbi came for roger stone in an earlymorning raid at his florida home. The indictment from muellers office, Robert Mueller<\/a>s office, charges that stone sought stolen emails from wikileaks damaging to thencandidate trumps opponent at the direction of Senior Trump Campaign<\/a> officials. The president s longtime ally appeared in federal court in ft. Lauderdale this morning. But outside the courtroom, it was a different roger stone that we saw. In a defiant v for victory pose. Hmm. Does that remind you of anyone . Oh, yeah, the man whose face is tattooed on stones back. Stone saying this. As i have always said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. And just listen to what stone had to say about the fbi raid this morning. They terrorized my wife, my dogs. I was taken to the fbi facility although i must say the fbi agents were extraordinarily courteous. Okay. So which is it . They terrorized or extremely courteous agents, who by the way were doing their jobs without pay during this shutdown. The white house reacting today. Sarah sanders, there she is. This has nothing to do with the president , and certainly nothing to do with the white house. Except for the fact that roger stone has been part of Donald Trumps<\/a> inner circle since the 1970s and was an official on his campaign until august of 2015, and stayed in touch with the campaign throughout the election. That is according to muellers indictment. The president himself praised his longtime cronys guts in a tweet last month, for saying i will never testify against trump. So heres the big picture, okay . Roger stone is the latest of 37 people and entities charged by the special counsel, Robert Mueller<\/a>. The list includes six trump associates, including Michael Cohen<\/a>, michael flynn, rick gates, Paul Manafort<\/a>, george papadopoulos, and now roger stone. Mueller has brought 199 total criminal charges in all. Seven of those counts were added today for roger stone. And all of that makes what happened today a very, very big deal. From roger stone to the president caving on the wall, weve got a lot to talk about with charlie dent, Kirsten Powers<\/a>, ryan lizza, next. Thisyeah. Ice. Yeah, this is nice. Mmmm how did you make the dip so rich and creamy . Oh, its a philadelphia family recipe. Can i see it . No. New philadelphia dips. So good, youll take all the credit. The new Capital One Savor<\/a> card. Earn 4 cash back on dining and 4 on entertainment. Now when you go out, you cash in. Whats in your wallet . You see clear skin. Cosentyx can help people with moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis<\/a> find clear skin that can last. Dont use if youre allergic to cosentyx. Before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. An increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. Tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if youve had a vaccine or plan to. Serious allergic reactions may occur. How sexy are these elbows . Ask your dermatologist about cosentyx. Ask your dermatologist went to ancestry, i put in the names of my grandparents first. I got a leaf right away. A leaf is a hint that is connected to each person in your family tree. I learned that my ten times great grandmother is George Washingtons<\/a> aunt. Within a few days i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow, im related to george washington. This is my cousin george. Discover your story. Start searching for free now at ancestry. Com you heard my question at the top of the show. Has there ever been a worse day for President Trump<\/a> . After vowing repeatedly he would never agree to open the government without a deal for money for his wall, he did exactly that today. On the same day his long time ally roger stone was indicted by the special counsel Robert Mueller<\/a>. Lets bring in charlie dent, Kirsten Powers<\/a> and ryan lizza. Ryan, you first. The president has a lot of bad days, right . Do you think this was his worst one yet . You know, id have to go back and review them. They always seem the worst when youre in the middle of them. But this one is up there. I mean the shutdown, the way this ended was completely predictable, right . Mmhmm. I mean it reminds me of that old episode of south park. Do you remember that episode, don, when the gnomes are stealing all the underwear in town . And the kids find out, and they confront them and say, what are you guys doing . They say, its our master business plan. They go to the gnomes business headquarters, and they put up a big chart. It says, step one, steal all the underwear. Step two is a giant question mark. Step three is, profit. Well, step one was shut down the government. There was no step two. Step three was, the wall gets funded. So that is my thats my take on that. Heres what i remember from south park i cant top that. Im sorry. Thats all i remember is they took our jobs. All right. So lets move on. Moving on, charlie, listen, everyone, democrats, moderates, conservatives, theyre all angry at the president. And in the end, theres no wall funding. Does this make him look weak now . Well, it makes him look incompetent. I mean this shutdown was an act of political, legislative, and governmental malpractice. I mean who would have ever thought this was a good idea to shut the government down before christmas, knowing that a Democratic House<\/a> is going to take over and that they might somehow get a better deal in the new year . Ive said repeatedly these shutdowns always end the same way, with some kind of a clean funding bill for a limited duration of time. That is exactly whats happened. Was it you, charlie, who was on before, and i said, what is he doing . Doesnt he realize that when he comes back from the holidays, hes going to have zero leverage . Didnt i have that decision with you . I know i had it on this program. Yes, you did. I mean this is just this is almost breathtaking. And listen to what hes been taking advice from, ann koultco and the freedom caucus, people who would have never supported an agreement like this. They were the people guiding him through this whole process. I cant even begin to tell you how absurd and ridiculous this was. It was not only pointless, but also painful for so many people. Now theyre going to have a negotiation between now and february, and i hope there is some kind of agreement on Border Security<\/a>, dreamers, daca, tps. I hope so, but i guess i dont have that much hope going forward. Kirsten, a couple questions for you. How long does the pain last, though, do you think . How long does it affect this administration . You mean trumps pain . Yeah. For what he did . Just for people being upset, blaming him on the shutdown, for the shutdown, not getting a paycheck and, you know, missing some of their rent or mortgage payments and on and on. Yeah. I mean i think thats one of those things that probably, you know, theres going to be some other crisis, and people will move on to. I mean things just happen so fast, there always seems to be other things happening, things that we cant even imagine that were going to be sitting here, saying, this was the worst day of his administration. I got you. All right. But i do think that well, and i said this at the time he did t. I thought he made a huge mistake not just because it was the wrong thing to do and he was going to pay a political price for it. I think he i dont know why he thinks that ann coulter and Rush Limbaugh<\/a> have more power than he does. I think he really has he does have more power with the base. I remember why is he scared of them, right . I remember when he turned against fox news, and fox news was very antitrump in the beginning. And he bent them to his will. And they thought that they were more powerful than him, and they learned the hard way that they werent. Yeah. I dont know why he doesnt remember that lesson that he really shouldnt have caved to them because in the beginning, i dont even think this is what he wanted. I think he ultimately caved because he felt like he was losing his base. Did he underestimate pelosi . Oh 100 . But so many people have. You have people in our own caucus who have underestimated who before the election was telling her she was too old and needed to step aside. I think a lot of people owe her an apology. Charlie, i just want to read from the indictment. It says, after the july 2016 of stolen dnc emails by organization one, wikileaks by the way, a Senior Campaign<\/a> official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging Information Organization<\/a> one had regarding the Clinton Campaign<\/a>. So a Senior Trump Campaign<\/a> official was directed to contact roger stone. Are you wondering how high this goes up . Yeah. Yes. I dont know how much higher it can go than roger stone. I mean the speculation is of course its either the president or maybe his son, or could it have been steve bannon . I dont really know. I guess what is astounding to me as a republican, you know, i remember back during the george w. Bush administration when wikileaks was revealing classified secrets of our men and women in uniform in the middle east and elsewhere, damaging breaches, and we thought they were the enemy. And then along comes the Trump Campaign<\/a>, and all of a sudden wikileaks has been redeemed because they were now, you know, ca horting with the russians and trying to damage Hillary Clinton<\/a>. So my sense is roger stone, hes in big trouble. Hes not in Paul Manafort<\/a> trouble, but hes in trouble, and the noose is tightening around the president. All these people close to him are now indicted or have already pled out. So hes just going to be another one. Yeah. Ryan, theres always a tweet, right . You pointed this out, this one from trumps 2020 campaign manager. This is from brad parscale. This is about a year ago, and it says, truth, Jared Kushner<\/a> and eric trump were joint Deputy Campaign<\/a> managers to real donald trump, nobody else. Not one person made a decision without their approval. Others just took credit for this familys amazing ability. Im done with all these lies. They will be embarrassed. Well, interesting tweet, right . There you go. Hes saying what a lot of people know. I think there was a lot of truth to that. Trump was did micromanage that campaign. He ran it himself. He was his own best communications strategist, political adviser, right . He made all the decisions, the same way the white house operates now. He is a micromanager. And so that tweet was written when i think the wolff book came out, and he was trying to argue certain people wolff was saying was important werent important as they are. In light of what the indictment said today and who may have directed stone to do what, i thought that tweet was pretty interesting in the current context. I do wonder, though, if mueller in an indictment would say a Senior Campaign<\/a> official, and he would refer to the candidate as a Senior Campaign<\/a> official. Right. Doesnt that isnt that a little off . In a previous indictment i cant believe we have to talk about it. Maybe he didnt want to give it away. If you didnt want to give it away, you would redact it. Go on. Sorry. I do wonder if that is trump itself. I understand why a lot of people think it might be. Yeah. You know, the president , kirsten, continues to call this a witch hunt. But roger stone is the sixth associate charged in the special counsel investigation. The white house can say that this has nothing to do with the president , but this was his campaign. These are the people he surrounded himself with. He hired them. He sought their counsel. There you go. Its all laid out in front of you on the screen now. Yeah. I mean its about his campaign. So this all relates to his campaign. So i mean i dont know how you can say that its not about him in some way. And i think Sarah Sanders<\/a> had an opportunity to say that it wasnt donald trump who directed this, and she didnt say that. So at a minimum, we know that there were senior people on this campaign who were communicating and seemingly coordinating it certainly looks like coordinating releasing information with wikileaks, releasing information that was harmful to Hillary Clinton<\/a> that was obtained by the russians, hacking into the dnc. So i dont think we should lose sight of that, that this is whether its illegal or not, you know, which it very well i guess its not illegal. I mean, you know, thats not what he was charged with. But its certainly highly problem att problemattic and not something you would expect somebody who is running for president and becoming president of the United States<\/a> to do. Thank you. How do intel officials view roger stones actions . Im going to ask the director of National Intelligence<\/a>. James clapper is with me next. Rt for all those new year, new you selfies. And only tmobile has unlimited with iphone xr included for just 40 bucks. So get the iphone you love most from the most loved in wireless. Bring your family to tmobile and get the amazing iphone xr included for just 40 per line. Is it to carry cargo. Greatness of an suv . Or to carry on a legacy . Its show of strength. Or its sign of intelligence . In crossing harsh terrain. Or breaking new ground . This is the mercedesbenz suv family. Greatness comes in many forms. Lease the glc 300 for 479 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Mercedesbenz. The best or nothing. Robert muellers indictment of longtime trump ally roger stone is a big deal. Mueller charges the president s longtime ally, a man hes known since the 1970s sought stolen emails from wikileaks, emails damaging to thencandidate trumps opponents, at the direction of Senior Trump Campaign<\/a> officials. Lets bring in now james clapper. He is a former director of National Intelligence<\/a> under president obama. Good evening, director. So good to have you on. Thanks, don. What do you see in this indictment . Is this collusion . Is it obstruction . What is it . Well, i read it over carefully a couple times. You know, this is a it has kind of fallen into a template pattern for mueller. You know, these things are meticulously written, very circumspect about trying to avoid involving anyone else. In your last segment on discussing the phraseology about, you know, Senior Campaign<\/a> official and who that might be, i think thats deliberate on muellers part. Thats going to whoever that is, thats going to come up in a subsequent indictment, and i think there are more to come. Muellers done, you know, the buildingblock approach here, and today was another big brick in the wall. Thats probably not a good metaphor, i guess, today, but against the president. What it means is, you know, confirmation. This was a shoe we all knew whats going to drop, and it finally did. Yeah. And the relationship between roger stone and wikileaks, who was fed the emails by the russians, i dont know if that meets the threshold for collusion or conspiracy, but it sure does indicate coordination, collaboration, whatever. The other thing, and of course are trumps Public Statement<\/a>s at the time, contemporaneously. I recall at a rally speech he made, i think it was in june of 16, in which he alluded to some big revelation that was going to come out very soon, which didnt happen. Yeah. And, you know, you start to put these pieces together. So today was a big deal as you said. Let me read some of the indictment. It will help clear up something of t some of the things you said. Part of it says during the time frame of june and july of 2016, roger stone contact the Trump Officials<\/a> to let them know that organization 1, aka wikileaks, had information that would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign<\/a> if they were released. And then this happens, right . On july 22nd, 2016, organization 1 again thats wikileaks released documents stolen from the dnc. So does the fact that stone seemed to know those documents would be released look like coordination to you is the question. Well, it has for some time because, you know, this has been widely speculated just because what was out was known publicly. And of course this indictment, at least in my mind, just confirms that. Yeah. More from the indictment, all right . After the july 22nd dnc email dump. A Senior Trump Campaign<\/a> official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging Information Organization<\/a> 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign<\/a>. Stone thereafter told the Trump Campaign<\/a> about potential future release of damaging material by organization 1. Whats interesting is that a few days after that senior person was directed to contact stone about wikileaks, the president then said this. Russia, if youre listening, i hope youre able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So whats your reaction . I want to put into perspective of what you said. Whats your reaction to that . Well, again, this i dont know if you can call it collusion or not, but his exhortation, public exhortation to the russians it seemed like coordination may be a better word. Or synchronization. And the fact is as revealed in muellers gru indictment of, i think, last july, they took him up on it. Mmhmm. And that very day, after hours, they went to look for those 30,000 emails in response to trumps seeming direction. So, you know, i dont know what you call it, but its, you know, clearly synchronization between trump and the russians. And i did discuss this in my book at some length about the striking parallels and similarities thematically between what the Trump Campaign<\/a> was saying and doing and what the russians were saying and doing, particularly on social media with specific respect to Hillary Clinton<\/a> and all the you know, her alleged illnesses, and she had a stroke and all that sort of thing. Well, those themes emerge both from the russians and from the Trump Campaign<\/a>. I want to read this quickly and get your response before i let you go. The indictment goes on to say, to lay out what happened in october of 2016. This is a month before the election and one day before the release of that access hollywood tape. Stone tweets from a now defunct, deleted account. He says, Julian Assange<\/a> will deliver a devastating expose on hillary at a time of his choosing. I stand by my prediction. And then the very next day, wikileaks releases hacked emails from Clinton Campaign<\/a> chairman john podesta. The indictment says shortly after organization 1s release, an associate of a highranking Trump Campaign<\/a> official sent a text message to stone that read, well done. Is this as damning and as straightforward as it sounds . Roger stone was directly coordinating with Trump Officials<\/a> . Yes. And when you you also recall that that same day, october 7th, was when the access hollywood audiotape was released. Mmhmm. So very coincidental. Again, coordination or synchronization. It also, just a footnote, was the same day that jeh johnson put our our Public Statement<\/a> about the russian meddling, which got completely lost because of all the other news. Yeah. What a day, director, huh . Yes. Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure. Thanks, don. I hope you feel better. I can tell a little cold there. Todays indictment charges roger stone with lying to the House Intelligence Committee<\/a>. Who better to speak to than a member of that committee . Congressman Eric Swalwell<\/a> is next. What do you have there . P3 its meat, cheese and nuts. I keep my protein interesting. Oh yea, me too. I have cheese and uh these herbs. P3 snacks. The more interesting way to get your protein. Im not really a, i thought wall street guy. Ns. Whats the hesitation . Eh, it just feels too complicated, you know . Well sure, at first, but jj can help you with that. Jj, will you break it down for this gentleman . Hey, ian. You know, at Td Ameritrade<\/a>, we can walk you through your options trades step by step until youre comfortable. I could be up for that. Thats taking options trading from wall st. To main st. Hey guys, wanna play some pool . Eh, im not really a pool guy. Whats the hesitation . Its just complicated. Stepbystep options trading support from Td Ameritrade<\/a> news anchor a violent tornado coming up on downtown tuscaloosa. It was as bad as you could imagine it being. 911 operator, muffled 911, whats your emergency . overlapping radio calls there was a lot of people that didnt make it through that day. The First Responders<\/a> were there, and i did make it. Thank you is, is nowhere near enough. [kno king] memories. What we deliver by delivering. Longtime trump alley roger stone has been indicted by the special counsel on seven counts including lying to the House Intelligence Committee<\/a>. I want to ask a member of that committee about that. Democratic congressman Eric Swalwell<\/a> is here. Good evening, sir. Good evening, don. Nothing happened today, right . Easy breezy right . Pretty mundane. Listen, stone was charged with lying to you and the House Intelligence Committee<\/a> about having any contacts, emails, texts, showing communications with wikileaks and assange. Did you believe he was lying when he testified . Yes. You know, actually, i expected him to be, you know, the typical in your face, confrontational roger stone, and i observed throughout the interview, he wasnt like that at all. He was actually, you know, pretty serious, which i guess should have told me that something was going on, which was he was facing congress and lying to our faces. But the message here should be you have to be straight with congress. If you are not, you know, we are a rule of law society. You will be held to account. And hes paying the price for that today. Yeah. I want to show you the key passage in that indictment that states that back in july of 2016, a Senior Trump Campaign<\/a> official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging Information Organization<\/a> 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign<\/a>. What is mueller saying here . Well, you know, what i see is that we have, you know, strong evidence now of the intense interest that the Trump Campaign<\/a> had all the way up to the very top levels in obtaining the russianhacked materials that would help donald trump. A Senior Campaign<\/a> official, don, can only be directed by someone more senior than that official, and that leaves us really only with donald trump and, you know, perhaps, you know, Paul Manafort<\/a>. But we know from other evidence from Michael Cohen<\/a> and others that donald trump was involved in pollrigging. Donald trump was involved in paying and silencing witnesses who would testify, you know, or talk to the press about his character. So hes a shadowy operator. So we at least have good reason to look and see if donald trump was the one with this intense interest in finding out what roger stone was obtaining. Shadowy operator. That is an interesting way to put it. What else stands out to you from the indictment, congressman . You know, here we see powerful, powerful evidence of a consciousness of guilt. We see not only the great length that roger stone went to obtain the russianhacked emails, but the length that he went to bury the evidence. And, you know, the president and his defenders are saying, well, theres no charge of collusion. Fortunately in america when you bury the evidence, we believe that you did that because the truth would show that youre guilty. Here roger stone has been found holding a shovel. So whether we find all the evidence he buried or not, he did it for one reason, which was that if we had found this out, it would probably be evidence of the underlying crime of collusion. We know that don junior had that trump tower meeting in june of 2016. We know that he also exchanged messages with the wikileaks twitter account. Do you think theres more here . Well, we also know that don junior has changed his account as to what happened on that trump tower meeting. Again, the pattern here of so many people from general flynn to donald trump jr. To Paul Manafort<\/a> to Jared Kushner<\/a>, who have had to change their accounts as it related to dealing with the russians shows a consciousness of guilty. If there was an innocent explanation, they would have offered that first. Thats why i think all the arrows continue to point in the same direction. This team was a team of cheats. They were willing to do anything to take help from the russians, and we should, for all these reasons, allow mueller to continue his investigation and get right to work, as we already are doing on the house intelligence and judiciary committee. Speaker pelosi is out with a statement about the stone indictment, and it says, in the face of 37 indictments, the president s continued actions to undermine the special counsel investigation raise the questions what does putin have on the president politically, personally, or financially . Why has the Trump Administration<\/a> continued to discuss pulling the u. S. Out of nato, which would be a massive victory for putin . Are these the questions Congress Want<\/a> to look into . Were going to get to the bottom of it, don. I know that some people in washington say that people outside washington dont really care about the russia investigation. And, sure, its not like the near fatal shutdown and affects their lives in that way. But i think this has truly affected our country, and weve been on the ropes since it happened. Russia attacked the very idea of america. And until we can tell the American People<\/a> who worked with the russians, how many people did, and what they did with the russians, i dont think were going to climb out of this hole weve been in. Thats why its so important. Congressman, thank you for your time. Have a good weekend. You too. My pleasure. The president caving, agreeing to end the Government Shutdown<\/a> for three weeks. But what happens after those three weeks are up . Im going to ask senator amy klobuchar. It. President trump caved today when he agreed to a deal to temporarily reopen the federal government, a deal that doesnt include any money for his border wall that concession came on the same day roger stone was indicted by Robert Mueller<\/a>. Joining me, senator amy klobuchar. Thank you for joining us. What a day, right . Unbelievable day. We are glad those workers are doing to be back to work. I think a lot of people are focused on the win asks losses understandab understandably, and what this meant for the president and the strength of Speaker Pelosi<\/a> and senator schumer and all of us that really stood up and said we are not going to do something that makes no sense while you hold the workers hostage. Really the story to me is those workers, how so many of them kept doing their jobs, the fbi, at prisons, at the airports, without pay. You were on my show the night the government shut down. Tonight the president , everyone is saying he caved but he did exactly what democrats were offering back then. And my question is, 35 days for what . Thank you so much for realizing that. I think that was forgotten in this 35 days. Literally it was 37 days ago we voted for that to stop the shutdown. And then the shutdown started two days later. That bill is nearly identical to what this bill is. That was it. It was a temporary bill so that the Border Security<\/a> issues could be much more thoughtfully negotiated. And he rejected i. It was a bipartisan bill that passed the senate. The president said that this is a cries cries, it is an emergency. But the wall wasnt an emergency for the first two years of his presidency when he had a republicanroled house and senate. Why now . Thats whats very interesting. Is he said that a while back. And now he continues to say it. I think the more he says it, if he does resort to with the stroke of his pen, declaring some kind of emergency, thats going to make it much harder for him to make that case. Because it seems to me that hes just using that as some kind of a bargaining chip as opposed to looking at technology and things that we should be doing to stop Drug Trafficking<\/a> a the ports of entry and other things. Len in, a lot of people have been saying where was mr. Mcconnell during this whole thing. I want to read a quote from the daily beast. This is nancy pelosi describing a conversation she had with leader mcconnell about how he handled this entire process. She said, i know hes a professional. Pelosi said of mcconnell. So it is particularly painful to see him cow to youing to the president of the United States<\/a>. And i said to him, do you want to abolish the congress or the United States<\/a> senate . Because that is exactively what you are doing. Asked what mcconnell said in response, pelosi replied, what does he ever say . Nothing. Does all this strengthen the speaker, do you think . Yes, i think she has come out of this, she has shown how she will stand up for her principles. In this case i think that really bothered us is that 67 votes by the way, this happened before. I remember when president bush was in the senate overrode him on a veto of the farm bill. This happens. It used to happen in history. Pause if you get 67 votes then you can i dont have ride what the president does. When you give up that tool then you are basically conceding thing. Right. I think that is specifically when you look at the rules what she was talking about. Certainly, this has been a day like no other. Because at the same time you have this going on as you pointed out at the top of our interview you have the roger stone indictment being handed out. May i ask you about that. Sure. I want to ask you about the predawn arrest by the fbi. Of course, roger step to is long time friends of this president. How damning do you think this is for stone and for the white house . This to me. I tried to explain all of these indictments. They are all important, as you know, sometimes it takes half of your show to explain pap pap in a bar in london, all these things. This is very clear. This is someone who is close to the white house. In the indictment it says that the campaign, a senior official, unidentified, that means someone way up, asked roger stone to go to wikileaks. By then we knew they had, and it was out in public, had those Hillary Clinton<\/a> emails and talked to them about release and talked to them about various things relating to them. Then you see documented evidence of him talking about trying to use her health and falsehoods about her memory, and putting that out there as well. And so, to me, this just makes a much more straightforward case that you had a campaign and we dont know how high it goes. But at many levels was coordinating through wikileaks with a foreign government. And that is illegal. And that is against the National Security<\/a> interests of america. Senator, thank you for your time. Thank you. It was great to be on don. You did a great job in minnesota at the Martin Luther<\/a> king breakfast. Thank you for coming out. I appreciate that. Thats very kind of you. Thank you. Robert mueller i indicting roger stone shedding new light on how the Trump Campaign<\/a> eagerly twrid to benefit from Russian Election<\/a> interference. So the question is, what did trump know and when did he know it . That helped keep people alive and out of the hospital. Dont take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. Dont take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if youve had angioedema with an ace or arb. The most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. Ask your doctor about entresto. 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