Out. People still believe the lie because youre actually a megaphone to put the lie out there that people are going to believe. Then they have to do their, oh, well, is it true . Is it not true . Well, youve already put it out there. Therefore its already in the ethos. Especially if you have people who come on and every single time they come on your program, theyre not honest with the american people. This is not about a First Amendment right appearing on cnn. Thats not. You can go outside. You can yell at people. You can do whatever you want. Thats your First Amendment right. Appearing on a platform like cnn or any other network is a privilege. Its not a right. And these are these are privately held companies. You dont have a right to come on here and lie constantly to the american people. That is my struggle. I know that we have to constantly call out the lies, but sometimes i wonder if were doing more harm than good by actually putting them out there and promoting them than, you know, thats it. I think sometimes were doing more harm than good in that way. I get you. Look, i respect the struggle. I think thats good. I think a big part of journalism is your process. Right. I dont have the same struggle because i am in the testing business. You are. I dont believe that you just call out, hey, youre lying. I dont see that as very productive. I will tell you why its a lie by showing you what the truth is on something. And when you do that again and again and again, you wind up defusing the power of the mendacity. Thats the only antidote to trump. Thats why he doesnt want to come on. Dont you think some of the lies f we dont put it out there, people wouldnt know about it. Sometimes. Youre also assuming its not out there already. Im usually dealing with things that are out there, if only by dint of when were on. So little happens on our watch. Most of it were playing catch up and trying to figure auout h we can offer Something Different via value. I may fall short. People may get the better of me. They may wind up winning an argument they shouldnt have, but thats on me. Thats not saying, i dont want to hear from the other side anymore. That, i think, is dangerous. Well, its not even the other side. This is beyond ideology, right, what were dealing with right now. This is beyond ideology. Its not like i dont want to hear from republicans. I dont want to hear from liberals. I dont want to hear from democrats. Thats not it. This is about truth and lies. This is about the fabric of our democracy. This is about a constant misrepresentation of the truth, facts, and reality. And if you cannot to feed into that, do you make it worse than better . We dont have to continue to feed into it. We dont have to continue to chase the shiny object every time trump throws something out there. Im with you about that. That we know is misinformation. Even the whole caravan thing. We know the caravan, theyre 1,100 miles or 1,000 miles away from the United States. Theyre not knocking at our doors. Some of them will come over. Some of them wont even make it to the border. What the real issue, that is the process. People come over and they claim asylum. Then we figure out who we let in and who we dont. Thats the problem. Thats how it works. But thats the problem. And by saying that there are people from the middle east in the middle of what is he insinuating . That its terrorism. Notice how he gave that up. Ill tell you something. Thats a signal to democrats. Both things you just said should be a signal to democrats. One, theyve got a problem coming. Two, theyve got a problem right now. The problem right now is the reason trump gave up and said theres no of proo, theres no proof, he almost never does that. The only time he does it is when he knows hes got Something Better working. He doesnt need the terrorism scare right now. He doesnt need the antiislamism right now, so he let it go because all he needs is the caravan. Theyre hundreds and hundreds of miles away, but some number of them is going to come. And when it does, the democrats are going to be in the box because the way the process works is going to be unsatisfying to a big cut of the country, which is you get to come in any way you can, and then apply for asylum. Thats the law. Legal or illegal entry is not distinguished within the law of asylum. People are going to find that unsatisfying and democrats are going to need an answer. Anthony scaramucci, i do have to agree. He is not wrong when he talks about just continuing to call out the lies of the president. Im talking about for candidates. For journalists, we have to do that. But for the democrats, that just doesnt work because i think he said earlier that its like a teflon skillet, like throwing, you know, meat into a teflon skillet. It just doesnt stick because its already baked into it. So democrats have to figure out a better way if they want to have at least some leeway, or at least gain some sort of advantage in this election, theyre going to have to figure out a better way because this president doesnt care. He keeps going and the lies dont matter. You have to give people a reason to believe. Thats what caused the turnover in 94 and 2010. I enjoy our conversations. Youre a good man. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. We are now exactly two weeks from the Midterm Elections, possibly the most consequential in modern american history. President trump, who likes to claim that he is a businessman and not a politician, is certainly acting like one, using his gut political instincts to appeal to his base to get out and vote, trying to stop a possible democratic blue wave and Keep Congress in republican hands. And lets face it. Lets be honest. His instincts are savvy. As he sees it, you cant argue with success, right . His latest tactic, amplifying his America First brand of governing. Heres what he told supporters at a Campaign Rally in houston last night. A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly not caring about our country so much. And you know what . We cant have that. You know, they have a word. It sort of became oldfashioned. Its called a nationalist. And i say, really, were not supposed to use that word. You know what i am . Im a nationalist, okay . Im a nationalist [ cheers and applause ] shocking. It is. Questi we have a president who calls himself a nationalist. Nationalist, a loaded word for a lot of people. But the president dismissed any concern about it, and sitting at his desk in the oval office, defended the new label he is using for himself. I love our country, and our country has taken second fiddle. There is a concern that you are sending coded language or a dog whistle to some americans out there that what you really mean is that youre a White Nationalist. I never even heard that. I cannot imagine that. You mean you never heard that expression . No, i never heard that theory about being a nationalist. We protect and we get killed. We do the training and they get killed. Cant do it. All i want our country is to be treated well, to be treated with respect. So in that sense, i am absolutely a nationalist, and im proud of it. Hes never heard that . Come on, man. Youre the president of the United States. Youve never heard that White Nationalist, nationalist . You should know better. Nobody is questioning whether President Trump loves his country. But he just said hes never heard of white nationalism. That really seems hard to believe, but maybe we should just give him the benefit of the doubt over using the nationalist label, or not. Why is there skepticism . Well, lets examine. Examples of trumps own words, which Many Americans have found offensive, even racist. And they always seem directed at brown people. After famously riding down that escalator to kick off his president ial campaign, trump said this about mexican immigrants. When mexico sends its people, theyre not sending their best. Theyre not sending you. Theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. You guys, you know it by heart. You can hear it, right . Its a refrain. Shortly after a muslim couple launched a deadly shooting attack in san bernardino, california, in december of 2015, this is what candidate trump said to a rally of enthusiastic supporters in south carolina. Donald j. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States until our countrys representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. Also while a candidate, trump slammed a sitting federal judge who was born in indiana, of mexican heritage by the way, judge gonzalo curiel. He got into trumps crosshairs long before the president was elected. Curiel presided over a Class Action Lawsuit concerning students who said that they had been defrauded by the nowdefunct trump university. The case was ultimately settled after trump won the white house. Ive been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of mexican heritage. Im building a wall, okay . Im building a wall. I am going to do very well with the hispanics, the mexicans. So no mexican judge could ever be involved in a case that involves you . Hes a member of a society well, you know, very promexico, and thats fine. Its all fine. I think he should recuse himself. Because hes latino . Earlier this year, President Trump n a meeting with lawmakers, referred to haiti and some africanamerican nations as this is a quote kwsh shithole countries, adding that the u. S. Should get more people from countries like norway. And who can forget the president s comments following the deadly White Nationalist violence in charlottesville, virginia, where antisemetic slogans were shouted . You also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group excuse me. Excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. President trump claims that criminals and middle easterners are part of the caravan of thousands of Central American migrants making their way through mexico, trying to reach the u. S. Border. But listen to this exchange today with my colleague, jim acosta. Listen. You had said that there are middle easterners in the caravan. Yeah. Can you explain that . Are you saying there are terrorists in that caravan at this point . If you look at do you know for sure . I have very good information. Are you saying that you have evidence that there are terrorists in the caravan . I spoke with Border Patrol this morning, and i spoke to them last evening, and i spoke to them the day before. I speak to them all the time, and they say and you know this as well as anybody over the course of the year, over the course of a number of years, theyve intercepted many people from the middle east. But no proof that theyre in the caravan now . Theres no proof of anything. Right there in his own words, the president saying theres no proof of anything. A direct contradiction of himself. Hes directly contradicting himself. The Washington Post reporting that trumps using the Migrant Caravan as part of a strategy of fear ahead of the midterms to get republicans to the polls. Former Trump Campaign adviser, listen to this, calling it a political gift, saying, i wish they were carrying heroin. I wish we had thought of it. It speaks to the dearth of our creativity unfortunately. There are 7,000 people marching toward the u. S. Border. One party wants to let them in. The other party wants to keep them out. Think about that. I wish they were carrying heroin. That would really scare the voters, scoring potential political points while americans are dying in record numbers from a catastrophic opioid epidemic. The migrants are putting themselves in great danger to escape violence in their native countries, to seek asylum here in the United States, which is legal by the way. But there is no shame in the Trump White House about the lies, about the false statements, the pandering to the base. 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Together, all the way. Just two weeks to go until the Midterm Elections. President trump firing up his base telling supporters that although hes not on the ballot, the midterms are about him. Democrats are firing up their base as well, hoping a blue wave sweeps capitol hill. Lets discuss now with mr. Hark holder. He was attorney general under president obama, who is now the chairman, by the way, of the National DemocraticRedistricting Committee. Hello to you. Thanks for joining us. Lets talk about the blue wave first, okay . You said earlier this year the blue wave will hit a gerrymandered seawall, presumably districts drawn by republicans to keep democrats at bay. Just two weeks out, can the democrats overcome that . I think the democrats can overcome that if we have a really substantial turnout. But miim concerned this seawal of gerrymandering might stop that blue wave from getting to the shore, and i point to virginia where democrats beat republicans by ten Percentage Points last year, but were unable to take back the general assembly. So then what to do then because often times when these cases go to the court, they lose . Well, there are a number of things. We at the National DemocraticRedistricting Committee are coming up with ways in which we put in place these independent commissions to draw the lines as opposed to having politicians choosing their voters. Were filing lawsuits where that is appropriate. And then again, theres a direct electoral consequence. You can get past some of this gerrymandering if you have really, really substantial turnout. But you shouldnt have a system where you have to have substantial turnout. It ought to be whoever gets the most votes should win. Mmhmm. Its surprising that people who the smallest number of people i should say its not the majority who is actually running the country. It is the minority, and states where there are fewer representatives, fewer people, are actually deciding whats good or whats bad for the entire country. Well, i think there are a whole bunch of things we need to focus on. I mean with regard to gerrymandering and Voter Suppression, you are seeing a minority in this country taking power that is not legitimately theirs. A minority of people are taking majority power and running things for the rest of the country. And frankly taking positions that most of the rest of the country does not favor when it comes to gun safety measures, when it comes to questions about reproductive choice. These are all things where the minority is taking views inconsistent with the wishes of the majority. You raised eyebrows a few weeks ago when you talked to democrats and how they should oppose trump. I want you to watch this, and then well talk. Okay. Michelle says that, you know, when they go low, we go high. No. No. When they go low, we kick em. [ laughter ] thats what this new Democratic Party is about. Hmm. All right. I want to show you some other protests that have been happening. Watch this. [ bleep ]. You dont belong here, you [ bleep ] communist. Get the [ bleep ] out of here. We believe survivors. We believe survivors. We believe survivors. Listen, so you say that it was a figure of speech, that you werent advocating violence. But republicans dont care. Theyve branded you along with other democrats as angry, angry, violent mob. Are you worried about how this could play out . Well, i mean, what i was saying was really a metaphor for the notion that people who try to undermine our democracy should be opposed, and we as democrats should be tough in that opposition. I wasnt advocating violence obviously. And a lot of this outrage that you have seen on another news channel and by republicans is really is fake. You know, its made up. Theyre trying to use it for political advantage. Now, i am not one, however, who thinks that politicia