A recap of the days news. Truth is a choose your own adventure kind of thing because he cant explain away the following fracts. So listen, write dedown if you have a pen, if you have your phone on record it. So the White House Counsel Don Mcgahn sat down for 30 hours of interviews with Robert Muellers team and the white house doesnt know exact lewhat he said. The fact that in a matter of days the president s former attorney and socalled fixer Michael Cohen could Face Criminal Charges related to possible fraud and Campaign Finance violations. The fact that former Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort is on trial on charges that could land him behind bars for the rest of his life if convicted, and the fact that so far the special Counsel Robert Mueller has brought a total of 191 criminal charges against 35 defendants. There have been five guilty pleas. Those are the facts. That is truth. And the president cannot
distract and deflect from that. Facts matter. Now i want to bring in a man who knows exactly what can happen when a president doesnt want you to tell the truth. Cnn contributor john dean was nixon white House Counsel. He joins us now. Thank you so much. Thank you, don. So the president called you a rat in a tweet today. The current president. Yeah, so if he is watching right now and he know he likes to watch, how would you like to respond . I tweeted back to him that first i didnt think he really understood what mcgahn had done or had not done. That became even more evident 48 hours after his initial tweet, he didnt have a clue what mcgahn had done and began worrying about it. Id also tell him i did not go to the prosecutors and testify without Telling Nixon i was
doing so. In fact i listened to a Tape Yesterday where john erlicman, my predecessor of white House Counsel, nixons top advisor told the president i was visiting with prosecutors and he was suggesting it was the smartest thing in the world for me to do and give an appearance of cooperation. Well, i didnt just give an appearance. I guantanacooperated. Just so we get the facts right he tweeted you yesterday. I think i may have said it today, but it was yesterday. White House Counsel don mcgahn was giving hours of testimony to Special Counsel, he must be a john deantype rat. Rat in all caps. But i allowed him and all others to testify. I didnt have to. I have nothing to hide. So, john, the president of the United States is calling you a rat. Youre a guy by the way on the same day his wife is saying you shouldnt be a bully on
social media youre the guy who told the truth about the tapes and, you know, inthey ever come out. What does that say about the president s frame of mind . Well, its more like a mob boss talking than a president of the United States. And that seems to be where his head is and the way he thinks and the kind of loyalty he demands is not typically what a president demands but what a mob boss dmtsds. Me complains about the handling of the russia investigation. Sources are telling cnn, john, the president is unnerved by the Special Counsel and he didnt realize the full extent of their talks. He should be, shouldnt he . He should be. And that was one of my tweets back to him. And the reason he should be
concerned even mcgahns lawyer has assured them mcgahn did not incriminate the president , who knows what incriminates him. And im sure they didnt put out a hard line on purpose so the man can keep his job and do the work he wants to do. But, yes, hes a very important witness. His testimony is almost contemporaneous with the events, and 30 hours is a lot of time to spend with prosecutors. Just to be clear about what you said sources telling cnn mcgahn did not provide incriminating evidence to the Special Counsel. Again, thats according to the washington post. Its only this past weekend that mcgahns attorneys told the president s attorneys he doesnt think he implicated the president. But isnt a major failure on the part of the president s attorneys they werent fully debriefed about the extent of these interviews . Well, its kind of typical of the Trump White House operation, where they seem to botch and
mess up everything. Normally that would have been the case. They would have said what do you have to say before he went over and heard his story, and then they would have debriefed him when he came back. That didnt happen. You know what you said since this has been going really since he took office, that this president thinks that the white House Counsel works for him personally, and thats not so, right . Do you think its finally clicking to the president that don mcgahn doesnt represent donald trump the individual but instead represents the Office Of The President . It might be starting to click if thats the case. This is one of the positive postwatergate developments where the American Bar Association looked at all these situations particularly those that arose during watergate and sorted it out and came up with rules on representation of organizations. Its rule 1. 13, and that makes
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end the matter now. Accordingly i gave considerable thought to how i would present this situation to the president and try to make as dramatic a presentation as i could to tell him how serious i thought the situation was that the coverup continue. I began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and if the cancer was not removed the president himself would be killed by it. A lot of people, john, are looking back on your role in history. What parallels do you see now . Well, we certainly have many echoes. We have parallels in the russia investigation, starting with a break in or a hack at the Democratic National committee. Watergate got its name from a break in at the Democratic National committee when it was located in the Watergate Office complex. And if we go through what happened in the aftermath and what watergate uncovered, the abuses of power and were seeing
similar kinds of abuses of power. Trump has only been there a short while and is as not as experienced as nixon. I fear when he gets more experience it may get worse. When you look at the tape, do you remember it vividly . Don, i remember the testimony, i remember the conversation. I didnt start meeting with the president until eight months after the arrest. And after hes been reelected, before that i had one meeting with halderman on this subject with the president in september. But then he starts calling on me in late February Of 73 and we have a number of meetings. And when i think i have his confidence i try to convince him that weve got to end the coverup. Thats the day i really met richard nixon. He didnt want the coverup to end because he knew it implicated not only his top aides but implicated him as
well. Lanny davis, attorney for Long Time Trump attorney cohen, hes been reaching out to you regularly. Can you tell us anything about those conversations . Yes, i can. I met lanny during the clintonlieu wclinton, lieu w ruwinsky proceedings. When he took on as a client Michael Cohen he had a number of question to refresh his recollection he wanted to ask me about. And i was willing to share that with him. He didnt indicate to me any of the testimony of his client or where he was going or what his plans were, but i was more than willing to share that history. Im hopeful someone like Michael Cohen can do what i did and explain not only any wrongdoing
that was done by trump but the atmosphere in which it happened. And nixon later said that was moy most damning testimony was when i put it in context. Huh, interesting. Do you see Michael Cohen as a 2018 version of john dean . Ill put it up. This is what he told politico basically saying he doesnt want to implicate Michael Cohen is involved n level as deeply as you are. And it goes onto say there are similarities. But do you see him as a 2018 version of john dean. I dont know. Or don mcgahn maybe . For either one. Anyone thats going to follow what i did has to skied in their own mind that theyre not going to try to hide their guilt and theyre going to explain what they did and why they did it and testify honestly to be prepared to take the punishment. That was the frame of mind i was in when i broke rank. And i also told my bosses exactly what i was going to do
and that i would lie for no one. Lanny davis, cohens attorney is speaking to you. Has don mcgahn ever reached out to you or anyone affiliated with him in. Hes the only white House Counsel whos followed me i believe i have not met. Ive never had a conversation with him, but as reported by the New York Times in the original piece he didnt want to have the same faith as my tenure to the white House Counsel was to them. He must think he said he didnt in any way implicate or cause any problems for the president in his testimony. That raised a real question in my mind, why was he worried he was going to be charged or scapegoated as the cause of obstruction of justice, if he wasnt worried there was some criminal activity. Anybody else involved in this
reach out to you that i failed to mention . No, they havent. I think lanny is the only person i really know representing any of these people at all. I have not talked to anybody other than lanny. John, were going to keep you around because you have expertise and experience with these situations. When we come back President Trump without ironing says he could run muellers investigation, an investigation of his own campaign. What that says of the president s views of his powers next. Fact is, every Insurance Company hopes you drive safely. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . Theyre the moderne stone age family. From the town of bedrock. Meet george jetson. His boy elroy. With instant acceleration, electric cars are more fun to drive and more affordable than ever. Electric cars are here. Plug into the present. President trump on Special Counsel muellers investigation. Trump telling reuters tonight i decided to stay out of the Mueller Investigation when i dont have to stay out. I can go in and i could do whatever. I could run it if i want. John dean is back with me also staff writer for new yorker and cnn contributor frank bruiny of the New York Times. Good evening to all of you. So, frank, the president of the United States suggesting he could run an investigation into his own campaign. And its only monday. Welcome to monday. Whats he talking about . Youre asking me to decode donald trump again, and thats always a difficult thing. What i think he kind of means is he through a series of events, through a chain of events he could make mueller go away. And i think he means in a kind of uber sense he has authority over the whole thing. I think basically we have trump just spouting off some more words in frustration and anger impatience for this all to be over. Susan, a president does have broad powers, but do you think he understands the how much power the how much Executive Powers, his own Executive Powers . Look, i think that he is threatening the Mueller Investigation with increasing intensity. You have him for the first time in tweets in recent days personally attacking Special Counsel mueller and calling him disgusting not just the rigged witch hunt investigation, going after him personally. And hes still going after his Attorney General jeff sessions. I think all of it is a piece in recent days where you really see the president s obsession growing so much with the Mueller Investigation. Perhaps its his own escalating sense of personal jeopardy. You now have not only the white House Counsel we talked about extensively cooperating with Mueller Investigation. We dont know what that means,
but of course you have his own former personal attorney Michael Cohen in what appears to be increasing legal jeopardy. At the same time his former Campaign Chairman is on trial on multiple charges, both this alexandria case and theres an upcoming case in washington, d. C. Thats the context i look at it. They certainly seem to be coming on a little bit faster and more furious. So john, i want to get to the president s tweet yesterday where he compared the Special Counsel investigation to mccarthyism. Study the late Joseph Mccarthy because were now in a period that make with mueller and his gang that make Joseph Mccarthy look like a baby, rigged witch hunt. I dont think donald trump
kn knows his history very well. This is real draw to find any comparisons between Joseph Mccarthy and bob mueller. It just doesnt fit at all, and his entire defense team i just talked to non sequiturs, the business he could run the investigation, thats not true. The president does not control a grand jury. A grand jury is an independent body. And that grand jury would toss him out if he tried to get in and tell them what to do. Does the president really want the American People study mccarthy . Joseph mccarthy was a demagogue. He relied on baseless accusations. If the American People studied mccarthy theyd say, wow, he bears a lot of resemblance to President Trump. He would hurl accusations
without any questions or facts. Mueller would not speak with the press, if anything hes going on forever to make sure hes getting all the facts. The accusations come after the research not before. Thats the antonym of mccarthy. He said tough as he was he always had a lot of friends and im not embarrassed to say i was one. Why did he hire his lawyer. My guess is donald trump learned a lot about mccarthyism from roy cohn and he learned the techniques of mccarthyism. In some ways you could argue trump is the most successful demagogue in politics since senator mccarthy. He was once reported to be as
close to roy cohn as if roy cohn was a second father to him. We see again and again interestingly with trump this quality of projecting onto others, qualities he himself has. Remember just last week when he withdrew brennens Security Clearance the stated reason by the white house was reckless behavior and indiscriminate public commentary. To have trump saying we should study mccarthyism it seems thats what he simself has been doing in these exercises. Its a very elaborate n sense inside trumps mind. This twitter feed is going to be studied im convinced by historians for generations who say we just never had this unbelievable realtime insight into this complicated and even bizarre rantings of the most powerful man in the world. I think if you you should probably do like a trump what did you mast in, whats your major, trumpism . What does that say . Projection. I was writing that and susan said it because he projects everything. You can go through every single person. Lying ted, crooked hillary, whos more crooked than hillary. Donald trump. Its almost like hes seeing version of himself and attacking them, you know . What about that, john. His tweeter feed will be studied especially as it relates to this case. I think it will be. In fact, i understand its been considered as part of his president ial record, and theyll be considered president ial documents, no less. This may be the core of his president ial library, which will be on the top floor of a casino. A library of tweets. Wow. Wow, john, that was good. More seriously go on susan. Well, i was just going to say theyve actually said that these are going to be evidence that the Mueller Prosecution Team is looking at, and, you know, that we think of it as insight into his mind but its also, you know, potentially evidence in a criminal obstruction proceeding. Susan, i want to ask you about this again the president told reuters tonight he would consider Lifting Sanctions on moskow if russia cooperates with the u. S. On ukraine, on syria. Is there any scenario where you would consider Lifting Sanctions on russia is a good idea . Well, don, thank you so much for bringing that up because i did think that was a very interesting argument. Once again you have this Head Snapping Confusion in what exactly is the trump administrations policy. On the one hand theyre bragging about the tough series of sanctions and the fact that the administration has enacted a
series of tough measures. On the other hand you have trump who doesnt seem to be onboard with it. Still in the immediate aftermath of the helsinki meeting to suggest what vague notions of cooperation would be. Russia is not backing away from that and trump appears to be de facto accepting the russian take over of crimea anytime hes using sanctions as a bargaining chip, right. When he says you can do Something Else and get the sanctions lifted. That would be basically exactly opposite of the policy the entire rest of america is following right now. Quickly, frank, before i let you go the president also said he would consider meeting again with kim jongun because he said some great things are coming out of north korea. Is he getting played here in. Which great things. Ever since that meeting we keep
hearing the quote is a lot of good things are happening with north korea. Well, thats not what the reporting has been and people in his own administration have been telling journalists. When we come back, this is awkward. The president compliments a Border Patrol agent who saved 78 lives just last week for speaking english, perfect english. Really, why is he surprised by that . What does help for heart fait looks like this. Entresto is a Heart Failure pill that helped keep people alive and out of the hospital. Dont take entresto if pregnant;
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was an endearing and whimsical moment. Of course the president knows he speaks english, hes an u. S. Agent. Why would he never have said that about anybody else and we call someone a racist and look for evidence, steve. Come on, you know thats not true. Show some humor. I do know its true. It would be funny if he said it to me. Its an endearing comment. For a special moment that kind of ruins it, dont you think . Hold on. Lets hear about the moment and well talk about it. Heres the moment. I went out there and conducted the search and once again the k9 alerted and
subsequently i opened the latch of the back of the tractortrailer and heard a lot of subjects. I quickly asked for backup, and backup got there, and the subjects were transported back to the transported back to the Checkpoint Andlife all of t were in good health. Wow, it seems he good a good job thereof explaining what happened. Didnt seem that nervous to me. So this man saved 78 lives and that story is getting lost because the president made assumptions about how he looks. Listen, i hear what youre saying, steve. A lot of people go to the white house, hes called people up, people have spoken. Do you remember ever hearing him say oh, this person speaks english perfectly . No, i dont think he said that before. But im glad, too, that you got to meat of why this man was there, this hero was there. These people, and the majority
of Border Patrol agents are hispanic. So the media tries to push this narrative theyre a bunch of racist people harassing brown people come on, steve. That is not true. Let me go on record, this was a great event for the president. Steve, let me just get this in. Do the man the honor who serves our country in terrible rough conditions to learn his name and maybe give him a heads up if youre going to have him speak. No one should be put in that position to be called up to the podium on the fly. I mean come on. The president does this all the time. Hes not trying to be mean to anyone. Don, it is true, by the way, people vilify Border Patrol and vilify i. C. E. You said the main stream media vilify Border Patrol. That is simply not true. Really . How about Michael Hayden tweeting out a picture of auschwitz and comparing our Border Patrol and i. C. E. Agents to the nazi ss. What the context of it . What was the context of it . The context of it was illegal Border Crossings of people with children. That were the families being put in cages and separated at the border. No one has said that or talked about the ethnicity of the Border Patrol agents or said they were hispanic or white. Yes they have, don. Youre talking about one person. Ive not seen the main Stream Media Writ large do that. Almost every night you call the president a racist. Dont tell me this doesnt happen. Everyone knows it does. And speaking of i. C. E. Im not going to let you get away with that because what you said is just not true. Don, you call him a racist
every night. Well, would you like me to go through the evidence of his racism that you cant see because you have the Trump Derangement Blinders on . You cant see . Would you like me to start back in the 70s with the housing discrimination, central park five, what he said about me, what he said about lebron james, maxine waters, what he said about black people, talking about his policies, how hes kicking people off certain programs that have to do with health care and that affects blacks and poor peel. You want to talk about how he has no africanamerican, no black people who works for him in the west wing, he has no black advisers . Would you like me to continue and go on about his racism . No, because none of that is proof hes a racist. And ive told you i agree the west wing should have more diverse representation. When you say something, steve i understand that. But when you say something
completely wrong and you have no evidence to back it up, you have no evidence to back up that the Mainstream Media is somehow vilifying Border Patrol agents and people who work on the border. That is simply not true. You dont consider hayden part of Mainstream Media . I dont know the context of his tweet, but thats one person. To say all of Mainstream Media is vilifying people who work on border is just completely false. Its something you would hear on the trump news network. I havent heard it on any other network. I can also go to elected officials. Thats not what you said. And thats what were talking about. We dont want to debate that point all night, and im not conceding that point at all. Let me give you an example from just yesterday or lets not, please. Because we were supposed to be talking about adrian which is
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about the case . He went on television and told chuck todd there was no way don junior knew he was meeting with russians. That is a lie. You know what else . They had a russian translator in the meeting. If that didnt tell you were talking to the russians, the translator sitting there should have been a clue. If Vessshe Didnt Tell You Nothing came out of the meeting and i believe the president when he tells me he didnt know anything about it. The fact that don junior and jared had a foolish meet iing. Its still illegal, though. I will say, what muellers
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