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what was he projecting when he was tweeting that meeting at the trump tower was about getting dirt on hillary clinton? why would he tweet something that completely contradicts the statement that they wrote saying it wasn't about that and that he lied to us saying he had nothing to do with it. >> i rest my case. come on, he's saying exactly what is happening and exactly what is true about him. he cannot help himself. listen, you know, chris, we do not take this lightly. when this man was on the campaign trail with every being to be objective and report him in a fair equitable manner. and then when we became president of the united states, the same thing. it always gets me when people say this study shows there's 90% of the reports show about this president are negative, but they don't talk about the things that comes out of his mouth and the policies he proposes and what he says or does to people. how are we as media to report positively on something that's negative? the president called countries s-hole countries. oh, well, that's great. you don't do that. you don't do things like that.
you don't talk about people in the way this president does at least if you're a president of the united states you're not supposed to. so that whole thing about the media is biased and that 90% of what we report about donald trump is negative, if that is indeed true you need to counter balance that and weigh it against what comes out of this president's mouth and what he's doing. >> my concern is more what we're almost forced to let go by the flood of activity that i believe, again, is one of trump's signature traits. he know he floods the zone some of it's going to make it through. i worry about what we ignore, what we empower. i remember all the way back to paul manafort, with that silly speech ivanka gave that wound up being plagiarized -- >> melania. >> melania gave a speech and did a great job and michelle had that speech and it was a great speech. manafort said can we move on,
you said yourself melania gave a good speech. but i said i know but i can't move on because you keep lying about the plagiarism. >> we should have known. remember spicer said it was my sparkle phony, whatever the saying was. we should have known from then. i'm fired up, and by the way before i let you go, i saw screening last night of black klansman. it brings everything into perspective, what's going on now as opposed to what's happening back in the '60s and '70s. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. i want to start by saying i wouldn't normally address this. because how important it is for each of us to stand up for what is right and what is decent i'm going to tell you exactly how i
feel starting right now. so president trump is on vacation this week at his golf resort in new jersey, but he is not taking any time off from twitter and apparently from watching me on cnn, which he denies, by the way. i know this because he has tweeted a nasty hateful swipe at me and lebron james we've been discussing here. you've probably read about it or saw it somewhere. i sat down with an nba great after lebron just opened a school for 240 at risk third and forty graders. and during our conversation lebron said this. >> we are in a position right
now in america more importantly where this whole race thing has taken over, and one because i believe our president is kind of trying to divide us. but for him to like i said use sports to kind of divide us is something that i can't -- i can't sit back and not say nothing. >> what would you say to the president if he were sitting right here? >> i would never sit across from him. >> you would never? you wouldn't want to talk to him? >> no. i would sit across from barack, though. >> he made lebron look smart,
which isn't easy to do, i like mike. unlike this president who lashes out loudly at anyone who criticizes him, i have pretty thick skin and lebron james in addition to being a brilliant black man, a superstar in his sport and a hero to his community is taking a high road, which is exactly where he belongs. since this president has used so many insults so often, the president has called a lot of people stupid, some of those people are right. but i would like to note referring to african-americans as dumb -- remember this is america. referring to of concern american as dumb is one of the oldest parts of america's past and present that black people are of inferior intelligence. and pretty much everyone and anyone in this country reacted. here's what dan rather tweeted. i'd much rather live in a world reflecting the values, philanthropy and yes intelligence of lebron james than the divisive peevish lies and narrow self-interest displayed by the president of the united states. this tweet from barbara streisand. why is he constantly projecting
onto others what he knows about himself. rather than criticizing@king james we can be celebrating him for his charity efforts to help kids. even michael jordan is weighing in congratulating lebron for the work he's doing for his local community. but maybe cnn commentator keith boykin -- listen to this -- summed it up the best with this tweet. in trump's world obama, maxine waters, low iq, black countries, shut holes, black athletes sobs, black tenants unwelcome, black workers lazy. central park five, guilty. mexicans, rapists. muslims, terrorists. indians, fake. nazis -- wait for it -- very fine people. notice a pattern? this president constantly denigrates people of color and
there's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like. i brought it up just routinely and all of a sudden a lot of facts are emerging and i'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country. i would like to have him show his birth certificate. and can i be honest with you, i hope he can. because if he can't -- if he can't and if he wasn't born in this country, which is real possibility, if he doesn't it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics. >> and black athletes who kneel during the national anthem as a former protest against racism and police brutality, well, they get this disrespect. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field right now?
he's fired. he's fired! >> this week marks the one year anniversary of that violent and deadly white nationalist rally in charlottesville. the one where angry white racists carried torches and shouted anti-semitic slogans including jews will not replace us. the one where heather heyer, a 32-year-old young lady was killed by a bigot who intentionally drove his car through a crowd, a crowd that was there to fight against the hate. but this is how this president famously characterized that. >> you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. you had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me.
i saw the same pictures as you did. >> cross burnings, tiki torches, white hoods replaced by no hoods and khaki pants, these are the very fine people in the president's eyes. and yes, let me not mince words here. this president traffics in racism and is fueled by boule bulling. president trump is trying a divide and conquer strategy here and here's how it goes. he divides by race and tries to conquer decency by smearing and besmirching the truth and the people who fight to uphold it. i've wondered sometimes, you've seen chris and i, i wonder if he will succeed. if president trump who has his finger on his -- he's the one who has his finger on the pulse of this country. is he revealing who we really are? think about that. is this who we really are? the overwhelmingly negative response to his unfair and unkind attack on a good man, lebron james, shows america rejects what he is pedaling, most of america anyway, not all
of america. but what about the impact his policies have without a platform through sports like lebron or through media like me? what about those who don't have a voice? what is his presidency doing to them? the kids separated from their parents at the bord, the kids who don't have the chance to attend lebron's school or any halfway decent school, the parents who can't honestly -- you can't honestly tell their children to be proud of a president of the united states. the people of color who are attacked by their fellow citizens who feel emboldened to be publicly racist because the president is. will the country stand up for them?
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politico. you told me the white house -- you said that the president's tweet was wrong and you told the white house. >> i do. and i do believe that. i think it was a mistake to go after lebron james. look, i'd love to be as dumb as lebron james if that's dumb because he's not only the greatest athlete in the world in my opinion, he also is an incredible businessman and he has a great heart. not just writing a check, that would be enough, because also being deeply involved in the curriculum. whenever i hear about him the last thing i think of is dumb. my advice to the president who as you know i have great respect for, my advice to him is he should follow his wife's lead. we can praise the great work he's doing there. we can ignore the fact he personally doesn't care for the president.
and i encourage the president like melania did to reach out to him, i think that would prove a lot to country, we care about the great things you're doing, you're a private citizen and how can we learn from each other in that regard? i hope the president will do that. i'm very glad the first lady did. >> i am a private citizen, and i didn't run for office but i am a public figure here but i take the criticism -- just the president of the united states should be better and should do better and should not be tweeting bad things about nba stars or cable news anchors. it's just beneath the office of the presidency and he should learn that. so i want to bring in charles in. charles, this is from one of your latest columns. thank you so much for writing it. donald trump has a pension for labeling particular people. it might strike some as just another insult from a petulant urchin of a man who insults everyone with who he takes
a tool, right? she's not involved with him on a policy issue, he just wants to say the word pocahontas. he just wants to use maxine -- you know a lot of democratic congressmen who vehemently disagree with this president are on television all the time saying how much they disagree with him, senators, too. he does not use them. he chose the black women and says this is their new hero, and no one is saying the mexicans are the face of the party, but he wants to make her that because it is useful to him. because it is a weapon and a tool. >> just say it because --
>> because it's race and misogyny as well because he likes the idea of using her. and that happens over and over in his insulting. he will pick someone -- he'll pick, you know, athletes like lebron, pick you. but he wants to find a face. and he likes the fact that that face is female or minority. and it's easy to beat up on them in his mind. >> annie, the timing of this tweet from the president comes just about a year after charlottesville. and you in your piece for politico you write about the real lesson trump learned from that episode and ultimately he came out unscathed, right? >> in the short-term, absolutely. we saw a year ago republicans on the hill distancing themselves from him. we saw executives quitting his business councils. we saw a lot of hemming and hawing among white house staffers whether they would leave the administration and cohen privately expressing consternation. a year later everyone sort of has crawled back one way or another. the corporate ceos are having dinners privately just at ivanka's house or jared's house
and no one quit. i think in the short-term is that nothing matters. the fifth avenue principle, his poll numbers are at an all-time high of his presidency, his fox news crew is still behind him. and from a historical perspective will this put him on the wrong side of history, that is question we'll find out later. but a year later he's doing just fine. >> steve, i wanted to make sure you got in. >> i think that's unfair and the facts don't bear out. okay, i don't believe it's at all racial, and here's why -- no, here's why. i'm about to give you facts, don. >> that was charles. >> sorry, charles. here, are some of the facts, people he's called dumb, people like mit romney. >> political opponent. like i said, political opponents. go ahead, keep going. >> how about the way he criticizes people like chuck todd and joe scarborough, if you want to go into media. he does not seem to hold back
look at those men who are kneeling to protect the lives of other black and brown boys and men who have been shot by the police and doing so quite frankly in one of the most peaceful ways you could possibly do it, not even saying a word, just going down on a knee, it is literally one of the most peaceful ways of protest you could think of. but he knows that people in those audiences don't see that. they see black men being disobedient, and that is what he is using. so you can -- >> charles, this is brown face -- >> he can tell another lie on tv, which what he does. >> can you stop calling me a liar? >> you lie all the time and this -- it's very apparent to anybody who's watching. >> let him say his piece. >> this is brown face, by the way, who appreciates very much what this president is doing for my community and communities of color in this country who are more prosperous and more secure they have been. and by the way, a brown face that is sick of being taken for granted by liberals who want to keep minorities in a political plantation where they are dependent on government and where their views are only respected at election time. and that i believe is real racism. players played well politically
for him. so he used them. they weren't constantly coming at him, which is the lie you just told. >> they never mentioned him. >> but y'all let him come in here and lie. but he keeps coming back at them because it works for him, and look at those men who are kneeling to protect the lives of other black and brown boys and men who have been shot by the police and doing so quite frankly in one of the most peaceful ways you could possibly do it, not even saying a word, just going down on a knee, it is literally one of the most peaceful ways of protest you could think of. but he knows that people in those audiences don't see that. they see black men being disobedient, and that is what he is using. so you can -- >> charles, this is brown face -- >> he can tell another lie on tv, which what he does. >> can you stop calling me a liar? >> you lie all the time and this -- it's very apparent to
anybody who's watching. >> let him say his piece. >> this is brown face, by the way, who appreciates very much what this president is doing for my community and communities of color in this country who are more prosperous and more secure they have been. and by the way, a brown face that is sick of being taken for granted by liberals who want to keep minorities in a political plantation where they are dependent on government and where their views are only respected at election time. and that i believe is real racism. >> they constantly -- >> no, it's not a dog whistle. i'm saying the democrats want that mentality. >> only black and brown republican use the plantation metaphor because they can get away with doing it. and it's the dog whistle to white people saying i would like to say that but they would call me racist so thank you black and
brown people because they would call me racist. >> why don't we take a break here? steve, i'm going to let you talk on the other side. there is a difference between, a huge difference that america needs to understand about people who perceive themselves to be forgotten because of political strategy or because of politics or because someone is trying to use them in their vote. there's a difference between that and people who have been historically forgotten about and discriminated against. there's a huge difference in that. one is a perception, the other a reality. we'll talk about that when we come back. crabfest is back at red lobster, with our largest variety of crab all year! like new crabfest combo. your one chance to have new jumbo snow crab with tender dungeness crab. or try crab lover's dream. but hurry in. 'cause crabfest will be gone in a snap.
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so i'm back now with charles blow, steve cortez and annie karni. annie, do you see similarities with how the president -- he uses both to prop himself up. >> he does. they're both definitely tools. they're tools that democrats should be scared of in 2018 and 2020. i think that one of the most effective outcomes of his rhetoric is that it determines what his opponents, whether they be political opponents or as he branded us, the opposition party. what we talk about. democrats -- i've talked to senior democratic operatives who say their fear in 2020 is that this conversation we have tonight will define the race, forcing them to maybe outleft each other in an attempt to win the primary and then come out too bruised and too far to the
left to win a general election. and the news -- you started out your show here tonight saying you don't like to be the story. we shouldn't be the story but then trump says certain things that demand a response. both of these tools are productive for him in that he is shaping what his opponents are discussing at all. >> steve, as of last week "the washington post" tallied up 4,229 false or misleading claims from the president in 558 days. they also point out how the president often repeats the same false statements. he's trying to get his narrative out there on the economy, on trade and on jobs. and when we call him out for getting something wrong, we're fake news? >> yeah, don, listen, i've looked at that list, not every one of them because it's exhaustive. but i've looked at that list and the vast majority of those are either opinions or hyperbole, so
cleary not lies. >> if you want to say the washington times then you'll have to deal with that -- >> that's right. the racism now unfortunately in politics has become the scarlett letter. it's an r instead of an a. once we put it on somebody because we disagree with policy they're marginalized and castigated and regulated to a spot. and that's ludicrous. the policies we've been following for decade before donald trump is disastrous for people of color. >> if you talk about race, how would you relegate it -- people do it all the time. >> i'm a liar, and i support a racist why because i believe in better trade deals to protect work, many of whom are minorities -- >> you don't think certain policies can hurt certain people of a certain ethnic background
and therefore by default are racist? you don't think it's okay to criticize people for doing that? you don't think it's okay to criticize you if you come on here and you tell a truth when there's demonstrable proof that what you're saying is false. >> of course, but i haven't said anything false. for example, is it racist, by the way to control our border or is it actually racist to say we're going to allow a million plus workers a year as we've done for a generation in this country so they can compete against legal citizens, against african-americans in the labor markets, particularly the trades. >> i would say, sure, it is racist. the way you do it can be racist. >> can we deconstruct it? everything it's still problematic. so this idea of trying to pit minorities against each other,
which is what that does. you don't want i'm your best friend because i'm not going to let hispanics come in to compete with the other hispanics who are -- >> who are not citizens. >> let me talk. that framing is already problematic and already pits the minorities against each other. and what you need to ask yourself is why is it in america that the black and brown people in america would be the lowest rung on the ladder to be competed with, right? so what structures are creating the environment that make black and brown people competing at the lower end, and that white people are safe somehow at the higher end? all of that framing is problematic. yourself is why is it in america that the black and brown people in america would be the lowest rung on the ladder to be competed with, right? so what structures are creating the environment that make black and brown people competing at the lower end, and that white people are safe somehow at the higher end? all of that framing is problematic. when people try to say this is not -- no, putting those black or brown kids in those cages
that's a problem. because i don't see anybody from canada in a cage and i don't see anybody from a visa in a cage. there's a race problem there. >> to be continued. i appreciate your candor. go ahead quickly, please, steve. >> i agree with you by the lack of opportunity. you're exactly right. and what i'm saying is donald trump is creating that opportunity. the numbers show it -- >> he's riding barack obama's wave. >> because he did not screw up the economy that barack obama created, that he deserves all this -- i'm just being honest. imagine if he had inherited the economy that barack obama had inherited? do you think that he would be --
do you think he would be in this place that he is now? i don't think so. he should be happy that he inherited a good economy and just move on and take ownership of it and stop demonizing the former president and the former president's policies and say i'm glad i inherited a great economy that was on the up swing and we're going to keep it moving. that's the reality of it, but that doesn't play well to his base. >> no, it was great for upper, upper 1% of america, and unfortunately there aren't many black and brown people in that group. the working class wages had stagnated -- >> if you look at the graph of that it is a continuous line for black unemployment falling. >> i've got to go. we're over. >> thank you, steve. >> okay, thank you, guys. i appreciate your time. we'll be right back. annie, thank you so much. sometimes a day at the ballpark is more than just a day at the ballpark. stadium pa : all military members stand and be recognized. sometimes fans cheer for those who wear a different uniform.
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former campaign chairman paul manafort bringing out their star witness today. long time manafort business associate rick gates admitting to committing crimes both alongside and at the direction of paul manafort. joining me now is cnn's chief national correspondent jim sciutto and former u.s. attorney harry litman. you were inside the courtroom today. rick gates had some explosive and damning testimony. what did he tell the jury? >> i'll tell you, don, it was a remarkable standoff because you have rick gates sitting about 10, 15 feet away from manafort at the defendant's table staring at rick gates, rick gates avoiding the gaze of prosecuting attorney but manafort staring at him with arms crossed a as gates listed a series of alleged crimes that gates said he performed along with manafort at the direction of manafort
including setting up 15 foreign bank accounts that they deliberately kept hidden from u.s. authorities to avoid taxes, filing fake tax returns of course to avoid taxes. also things we did not know about prior to his testimony today including gates admitting that he stole money from manafort to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars by filing false expense claims. so a whole series of things there. and the key, gates saying not only did manafort know about it, not only did we do it together but gates saying that he did these things with manafort to rather under manafort's direction, don. >> listen, rick gates is expected to take the stand tomorrow and be cross examined by manafort's attorneys. how do you think the defense will counter gates' testimony? >> they'll come at him really hard, and this is the big shot they're taking.
they said in opening this is what they were going to try to show. i think this rather than even manafort's testimony is where they'll roll all the dice. but he's been very well prepared as he showed on direct. and the key here is for him to very straightforwardly without drama admit to any kind of criminal conduct, give the jury reason to believe him now based on his motivation to reduce his sentence. so he's got to be calm and straightforward about it. i think you'll see a kind of dynamic battle in court and jim will hear if he's there, a sort of sneering, sarcastic aggressive questioning on the one hand by the defense attorney and a very straightforward, flat, yep, that's right by gates himself. so they'll only draw blood, i think, if they convince the jury he is lying now. he did a lot worse things than rick gates -- >> that's what i want to ask you. gates is an admitted criminal and liar who stole from
manafort. does that hurt his credibility with the jury? >> sure. but that happens in case after case after case when you have a cooperating witness. and that's sort of part of the prosecutor's art is how to present those crimes in a sort of non-squirrely straight up way and how to persuade the jury that he's telling the truth now -- >> so manafort's attorneys, it's important to undermine his credibility. as you were saying they're going to go at that hard. >> they want to get a rise out of him. they'd especially love to catch him in a lie on the stand. >> what was it like to see them in the same room together?
>> it was remarkable. this is not a mob case, but where you have the capo as it were, the deputy testifying at length to numerous alleged crimes against his long time boss, someone he worked with for many, many years directly. and in a way, and it's interesting as harry mentions it, it struck me that he was a well-prepared witness. he had the answers to the questions. he answered -- listen, some of this is performance art i imagine. you answer like a boy scout. you have the details, you answer calmly. you're doing your best to be honest under the circumstances. when he is recounting a whole series of alleged crimes here in great detail, right, which is not an easy thing to do. and particularly as he had something of a surprise, something we didn't know about entering into today which is that he in addition to doing these crimes or alleged crimes, rather, with manafort that he committed a crime in effect against manafort. the deputy stealing money from the boss. >> yeah, it's interesting because giuliani last week
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worry ability what more gates could tell mueller. >> well, that's been a running question for a number of months here, right? you have two ongoing trials one in alexandria, one in washington. those are purely about their business practice, alleged illegal business dealings prior to their work for the trump campaign. but as manafort is the former trump campaign chairman is facing if he's convicted of these crimes, the reasonable question is is that pressure the special counsel might use to extract information or is it incentive to extract information regarding the president if paul manafort is aware of any wrongdoing by the president? of course rick gates who was deputy to paul manafort arguably equally close, he's already a cooperating witness.
you don't need flip him. he's cooperating with federal investigators at least in the manafort case. has special counsel mueller asked him questions about for instance his knowledge about whether the president knew in advance of the june 2016 trump tower meeting? it's possible. we know that there's been discussion of a meeting prior to that meeting. was rick gates another of the very tight circle of campaign aides who was present for that? >> where they supposedly discussed strategy for the meeting that's in question, right? i'm wondering if that goes to intent, and if so how much exposure does don junior have? >> we're always asking these questions based on what little if anything we know about what robert mueller has at this point, right? from private testimony, under oath, et cetera. but clearly he's concerned about donald trump, jr.'s legal stating, what he faces here. and the very obvious legal questions are, one, did he lie
in his sworn testimony before the senate about the trump tower meeting, what he told the president, et cetera. did he lie in his testimony elsewhere, that's one question. and what does the special counsel have, if anything, to substantiate that donald trump, jr., knew or conspired in some way with russians, et cetera. those are the questions. we don't know what mueller has >> in the short time, i hate to rush you on this, but these are the shifting explanations for the trump tower meeting, okay? so first we have july 8, trump junior meeting was primarily about adoptions, july 9 the meeting was primarily about op research on clinton. e-mails were discussed in there and on and on and on. first we were told by trump, jr. it was about adoption and then "the new york times" and all the
reports come out. and you see them up there on the screen. it's about adoption, no it's not about adoption. no, it's getting dirt on hillary clinton. no it's about adoption, no it's about getting dirt on hillary clinton. so what is it? >> what is it, it's a world of hurt for donald trump, jr. because we know now from trump's tweet there was collusion, coordination from a foreign government to get dirt on an opponent and trump adds at the end i didn't know about the meeting and that implicitly and he knows about that pre-june the terp -- he knows about that pre-june meeting to prepare. there's no hold back on gates' part. thank you both. i appreciate your time. when we come back don junior answering questions about that infamous trump tower meeting or
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