Unwanted, the poorly bred, those yearning to be free, and we will do whatever the hell we can to make it if were given a chance. It is the exception among us who doesnt have that in their blood. Remember who we are because who we are is the key to what we are and why this country has always been great. Thats our closing argument. Thank you for getting after it with us tonight here. Ill see you tomorrow night. D lemon picks it up from here. Its a great closing argument. Number one, lebron james talked to me about the kids being separated at the border. Again, hes saying thats not who we are. Number two, when you said that and talked about summer camp, you reminded me. I saw your wife this weekend. Didnt you pick up one of your kids from summer camp . She was in chicago, and she won best actor in her level of character she had. You know whats sad . I asked a guest a while back, do you think that its possible that some of these kids will never be reunited with their parents . The guest said no. Im thinking now that its a real possibility, and i think it has been said that its a real possibility that some of these kids may never be reunited. I just think this. Crossing the border illegally is something that you have to deal with. Weve always known that. That aint new. Its the message thats being sent out to the world about what this country is about and what it values. That concerns me. This is a democracy, and if thats what the people want the country to be, but be clear about it and dont hide what youre doing to make it that way. Lets see how people who want to lead us in this country make those arguments in the upcoming election. Upcoming election coming soon. Chris, thank you. Good seeing you. Welcome back from your couple days back. Well see you tomorrow. Thanks. President trump hitting the Campaign Trail Tonight in
hes accused of hiding millions of dollars in overseas income and offshore accounts. Prosecutors describing what they call his extravagant lifestyle with Bank Accounts in three countries, seven homes, and lavish spending on clothes and jewelry including a 21,000 watch and a 15,000 ostrich skin jacket. So it is no surprise that sources say the white house has adopted a strategy of distancing the president from manafort while keeping a close eye on the trial behind the scenes. And its no coincidence that President Trump tweeted his new favorite defense this morning that collusion is not a crime
A recap of the days news. This is a test for Robert Mueller. Right . It is. Lets be clear. The message youll hear from the president and many of his loyalists is this is not connected at all to trump or to russia, but lets go through the facts here. You did a good job of listing the number of criminal charges hes facing in two courts. This is just the first of two trials here. This was the president s Campaign Chairman. The president chose him specifically to help him secure the republican nomination. So he was not an insignificant player in the Trump Campaign. And this is a man who has shown himself willing to do some fairly dodgy work for people supported by the kremlin abroad in the ukraine. And thats one reason why hes standing in court today. And this is just the beginning and again, one of two trials. The first of two trials for Paul Manafort this summer. So this is and the first one as far as the russia investigation. Listen, theres they have to go a long way, as you said. Theres a long way to go, and april, the judges name is ts ellis. He banned any mention of President Trump, russia or collusion from the courtroom. I mean, that may be, but the trial is no doubt weighing on this white house. It is definitely weighing on this white house, don. From my sources, theyre saying the white house is very concerned. They are trying to huddle together and figure out how to message this. If you talk about the issue of a possible pardon, they im hearing from my sources Paul Manaforts name is not even on the list and theyre not talking about it. It is so serious right now. And then ive talked to other people who former Justice Department officials from the highest heights who say this is going to be a slam dunk. This white house is very, very concerned because they feel this is a toxic issue, and what happens is that Paul Manaforts partner gates, he could really
be a critical player in linking things to russia. You know, because we already hear about ukraine. They are very concerned right now. Kellyanne conway was on fox news. Heres what she said about the trial. This trial obviously centers on matters that have nothing to do with the campaign. I think even many manafort as i read it had asked there be no mention of his brief tenure at the Trump Campaign. This has nothing to do with collusion or russia or the Trump Campaign. Theyre down playing even though manafort was chairman for three critical months, april . Yeah. And we saw him at the convention. I mean, i remember being in cleveland on the floor. He was Walking Around with his body guard or handler taking care of convention business. No matter how short of a stint, he played a critical role. This white house is going to distance themselves because they dont know the outcome, but they are concerned. My sources are very clear. Theyre trying to figure out messaging and they are also concerned about how this is going to play out because once again, just as jim sciutto said, there are connections to russia for Paul Manafort and this tax evasion, all the things going on, and his partner is very key in telling the story in this courtroom. All right. Rick, youve been sitting by patiently. Lets bring you in now. Do you think the start of the manafort trial is one reason why were seeing tweet after tweet from the president and Rudy Giulianis really confusing interviews . I think this manic performance you saw from rudy this week and the tweet gasm trump has had to throw as much stuff into the wind as he possibly can are both directly related to the fact that Robert Mueller has a very strong case against Paul Manafort here, and they recognize that the charges against manafort are leverage to have manafort speak about the things he knows concerning Donald Trumps Campaign Ties and Donald Trumps personal ties to russia. You know, Paul Manafort didnt just wander in one day. He and roger stone had a very,
A recap of the days news. Two viable cases in two separate very serious courts in the d. C. Area. This is going to be a long one. When you speak from his legal liability, its tremendous, and thats why you arrive at that 300year figure. You wont. But hes facing so many charges that carry serious sentences. And from a political perspective as well these are trials that are going to go on and drag on for some time and keep these issues in the conversation for this president and this administration no matter how hard they try. The second point in response to rick and april is this. This pattern of this administration of denying any relationship, significant relationship with anybody who runs in trouble is consistent. Weve seen that in the last 72 hours. Paul manafort who only served as the chairman of the Trump Campaign through the convention
natural play from a defense lawyer. This situation in that rick gates has pleaded guilty and when you plead guilty for a lower sentence, you are cooperating. Hes cooperating with investigators. Paul manafort and his team know rick gates is a significant source if not the primary source against him. Their natural defense is to attack his credibility as a witness against manafort. Again, im not a lawyer. It seems remarkable that you would say that you relied on your deputy and blame him, but
my understanding from talking to lawyers about this is thats a natural defense play in this environment with the cooperating witness. And jim, we heard testimony today from a Democratic Political stunt, ted devine who worked with manafort in ukraine. How much work did manafort do in ukraine . My understanding of his role was to walk the jury through exactly how this worked. What kind of work they did. Russias involvement in that work, how they were working for the pro russian candidate there. Basically how they were lobbying on behalf of a pro russian Ukrainian Government which is a
significant part of their case and also walking through how they were paid. Right . Because thats really the essential fact of the charges hes facing is that the money significant amount of money, millions of dollars he was paid for the work was routed illegally seemingly to avoid u. S. Taxes. So my understanding of his testimony was to show the ties, show russias tie to that and exactly how this work was done to avoid u. S. Taxes and, therefore, break the law. Rick, more specifically, ted devine described rick gates as doing things like arranging travel and saying manafort led the Campaign Strategy in ukraine. That Doesnt Sound Like Manafort was duped in any way. No. Look, Paul Manafort is a slippery operator. Hes been in the suers of d. C. For a long time. Hes served the most egregious sort of dictator figuring around the world. Trying to throw his minion under the bus isnt going to work here, and Paul Manafort is the guy in the room with people. He is the guy in the room with the people closing these deals. Its not rick gates, his guy. Its Paul Manafort getting the briefcase full of cash. Its not rick gates. Paul manafort seems to have kept rick gates on a short leash in terms of control. And sent him to do administration and not master minding. April . Its odd he gets over 60 million thats funneled to cyprus, and everything is supposed to be on the up and up because thats what the client wanted. They wanted to show the kind of circles he traveled in. Thats why devine came there. One of the things sticking out to me is the fact that many of the Trump Supporters are saying that this is just a witch hunt. But this is not about speculation. For mueller to bring this, they feel they have an airtight case. At the same time you have to remember, theres something called the rule of law. To work for someone who was an underling politically and bring them back to the top and get 60 million for this and then evade taxes for 15 million, thats just one piece. Thats tax evasion. And then have the money funneled to cyprus, because thats what the client wants, something it doesnt pass the smell test. Thats not a hitch wasnt. And witch hunt. There are russian connections. People have to understand this is not playing out in the court of Public Opinion because someone says something. There is a thing called the rule of law that has been broken. So i think that needs to continue to be put on the table as we talk about the facts of this case and the russia investigation. Jim, ive been wanting to talk to you about this. Im just getting the list of information of the folks involved here. Mueller referring cases to the Southern District of new york concerning whether several lobbyists failed to register their work as Foreign Agents. One is podesta. As were talking about the Work Manafort did. Hes not the only one. That work is not illegal to be clear by itself. It becomes illegal if you dont register as a Foreign Agent as youre lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. Its illegal if you take the money and rye to rout it around the system so you dont pay taxes in it. Thats why Paul Manafort is in a courtroom. You have similar questions about what he registered it for in terms of registering as a Foreign Agent that tony podesta is facing. Listen, the broader point there is that you have a lot of u. S. Lobbyists who do a lot of work, a lot of highly paid work for some not particularly nice or friendly governments around the world. Ukraine and the pro russian government of ukraine is not the only one. It shows you theres bipartisan malpractice here overseas as well. The legal troubles hes facing are not insignificant. April, i want to switch
gears. I didnt get a chance to talk to you yesterday about this. My interview with lebron james. I want you to listen to some of the things he said about this president. Watch this. We are in a position right now in america more importantly where this whole race thing is taking over. You know . And because one, because i believe our president is trying to divide us. For him to like i said use sports to divide us, i cant sit back and not say nothing. What would you say to the president if he was sitting right here . I would never sit across from him. April, trump often retaliates against people critical of him. Why do you think he hasnt done that with lebron . Its a losing moment for him. Lebron james is riding high with the i promise school. Its amazing. At the same time once the president all of this kind of really came to a crescendo moment when the Philadelphia Eagles were not allowed to come to the white house and they declined or whatever you want to call it. And we called it out. They kept saying that it was disrespectful. And then i remember asking that day to Sarah Huckabee sanders does the president realize what taking the knee is about . That put the real piece on it. They kept the narrative saying its about disrespect of soldiers. Its about disrespect of flags but the issue is Police Involved abuses and shootings, and America Supports Police but they want to weed out bad policing. If youre the president of all america and theres one segment of america crying out, lebron james is right, theres an issue. If he doesnt want to sit across from the president , thats his prerogative. But lebron james is right, and so many other not just African Americans not just latino brothers and sisters, everyone sees something is wrong. There is a divide. There is a racial divide. We are not trying to gas it up. Were not trying to create a racial animus, but there is a problem in this nation and this president is president of all
america. Hes more of a divider right now when it comes to race than he is a uniter. Lebron james is right. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you all. I appreciate that. When we come back Robert Mueller has gotten one guilty plea after another. But Paul Manafort is not along them. Why is that . Our legal experts discuss that next. Iphone 8 on us. I knew at that exact moment. Im beating this. My main focus was to find a team of doctors. Its not just picking a surgeon, its picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. Visit cancercenter. Com breast
Paul Manafort facing 18 charges of bank fraud, tax evasion and other financial crimes in the first trial from the mueller investigation. It raises questions about why the former Campaign Chairman did not make a deal with the Special Counsel like other members of trump team. Im going to bring in Michael Moore and glen kushner. Michael, im going to start with you. Why do you suppose manafort hasnt pled guilty aside from the obvious that he really believes in his innocence . Well, theres probably a couple reasons. I mean, number one if hes moving money for the russians, hes going to keep quiet about that. It could be that hes expected trump to come in at the end of the day and pardon him. We dont know if theres been overt conversation about that, whether or not a message has
been sent back. Weve heard about back channels the administration likes to have. We dont know if theres a pardon deal on the table or if thats been mentioned. At this point, i feel like he keeps his mouth shut and moves forward. This is a paper case. It will be easy to prove. I expect hes going to be convicted of it, and at the end of the day, hes looking at a long time in jail if, in fact, trump doesnt come in and give him a pardon . Are you insinuating theres fear about you said he was moving money for the russians . Well, hes charged with money laundering. We know hes had involvement with folks of a less savory nature. At this point hes decided to keep his mouth shut and go through the process. Knowing if he gets convicted, im sure trump knows what he knows. That is manafort thinks that maybe some leverage to help him seek a pardon later on. Glen, manafort so far hasnt had a lot of luck here. He was thrown in jail by a d. C. Judge over allegations that he was witness tampering, and the Virginia Judge declined to
change venues and throw out evidence. If he was having tremendous success, that would be one thing, but so far were not seeing anything to show that this could end well for him. No. I think his Bad Luck Streak will continue with bob muellers team prosecuting him. Theyre some of the most experienced prosecutors, particularly in this field of financial fraud, and i agree with michael. I think there are a couple of other reasons that might explain why manafort has not pled guilty. It could be that bob mueller has never extended a plea offer to manafort. Why . The prosecutors already have rick gates so they would rather do business with rick gates who is a smaller fish than do business with Paul Manafort, especially because Paul Manafort also reached out and tampered with witnesses. And i have to tell you as a Career Prosecutor for 30 years,
don, i didnt relish the thought of bringing on a cooperator who was just that cruddy, just that damaged that they would try to tamper with witnesses. If you put a person like that on the stand as a cooperator, that Cooperator Stink can rub off on the prosecutors and the jury starts looking at you like why would you sponsor somebody who is urging witnesses to lie on his behalf and how can we be confident that hes telling the truth . It may be bob mueller has not even extended Paul Manafort a plea offer. You dont want to do a deal with someone like that . Exactly. And it could be hes afraid of the russians. Because quite frankly every aspiring cooperator i sat down with Ar Tickulated One of their concerns is im afraid if i flip on my associates they might come after me or the family. If Paul Manafort were to flip, the russians could very well start looking at his family members. Weve seen Poisoning Incidents in the uk of former russians who have flipped against russia. So i think that may also be what is Keeping Manafort from cooperating. Glen, youre getting to the crux of the question i asked michael there. Insinuating fear. It appears there might be some fear from him if he is guilty of doing what is being alleged here. Yeah. Yeah. Michael, i want to talk about some of the other characters. Rick gates is key in this case and flynn and papadopoulos. Havent heard from specifically mueller has gotten out of them. You heard glen saying that well, maybe he thinks that gates is better and is a cooperating witness and its better to deal with and the information is similar . I think gates was involved and the right hand man to manafort in their operations, so
we dont know what exactly they told bob mueller. What we know is hes building his case and laying this thing out. This is the first case they brought. They need to win this case, and hes building this like a foundation. And this will be the first when we Start Talking about money and documents, and ive said for a long time at the end of the day the administration is facing a follow the money case. That is well follow the money and see if it leads to trump. This is just the start of that. Whether were talking about gates or other cooperators or accountants. We can go down the list, theyre going to be tracking these payments, and getting these documents out before a jury. And so let me tell you, mueller has his case, and this case, the next case and the next case already planned out. Hes right now this is just a foundational move on his part. Its a Classic Federal Prosecutor move to start at the bottom and spread out. But i will tell you this. Manafort knows what hes doing. And he was close to the campaign. Trump wants to push him away and say he wasnt involved for a long time. Thats a fallacy. Glen, im over time, but i think this is an important question if you can answer. You gamed out different possibilities as to why mueller doesnt just subpoena the president. You say maybe the president moved from being a subject to a target in the investigation. Explain that. So the Department Of Justice has a policy that we dont Subpoena Targets of an investigation. Why is that . Because a Grand Jury Subpoena is a court order directing the person to come in, appear and testify truthfully before the grand jury. Well a target by definition has a right against selfincrimination because were looking to indict them. Thats why we dont subpoena a target just like you cant call a defendant to the stand at trial, because he has a Fifth Amendment right against selfincrimination. I think the more time as, the more likely it is that the people that bob mueller has not subpoenaed have ripened into targets of the investigation that would go for the path for
kushner and stone and onjunior. Does that mean indictment or a report . He could put out a report to congress. It could be a combination. He could return indictments against all conspirators but maybe leave the president out of it and only report what he found to congress, or we could see 1974 all over again with Richard Nixon and he could name the president as an indicted coconspirator. Michael, as you said, this is only the beginning. Thank you both. I appreciate it. When we come back is Rudy Giuliani helping or hurting President Trump when it comes to fending off mueller. And how close could muellers investigation get to the president s own family . Uniform. No matter where or when you served, tmobile stands ready to serve you. Thats why were providing half off family lines to all military. Whats Critical Thinking like . A basketball costs 14. Whats team spirit worth . cheers whats it worth to talk to your mom . Whats the value of A Walk In The Woods . The value of capital is to create, not just wealth, but things that matter. Morgan stanley when did you see the sign . When i needed to create a better visitor experience. Improve our workflow. Attract new customers. Thats when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. Yeah now business is rolling in. Get started at fastsigns. Com. New laptop with 24 7 tech support. Yep, thanks guys. I think he might need some support. Yes start them off right. With the School Supplies they need at low prices all summer long. Save 200 on this dell laptop
at office depot officemax. About trump. And harry litman. Im happy to have you both on. Harry, the president and his lawyer have gone from no collusion to collusion. Collusion isnt a crime. Collusion as we know is not a legal term. What charges do trump and his family need to be concerned about . In a word, conspiracy. But it doesnt help their credibility that hes been screaming no collusion, no collusion from the rooftops and then theres kind of a never mind moment oh, maybe it is collusion but thats not a crime. But its always been the case. People have been saying it on these shows and others for months. Look, the crime here is conspiracy. Its a simple crime. You agree to do something unlawful and you do something furthering it. Mueller has laid down a couple of conspiracies involving violation of federal election law, involving violation of computer law and the simplest thing is if trump or his family members, im thinking especially of trump junior, joined that conspiracy. But the basic point is the law
that they have to worry about is a criminal conspiracy. They dont have to complete the crime, but if they agree to do something unlawful, theyre in hot water. Why do you think he has this shifting defense, michael . Is he concerned about people who are close to him, possibly . His son or his soninlaw . Its slogans. So if hes saying no collusion, those are two words. Crooked hillary two words. Its not a crime, three words. He knows through repetition of the simplest message hell make the argument in the court of Public Opinion. I think Rudy Giuliani and the president both believe that this
is going to come down to a political battle, that the president may never be charged with a crime. May never we may never get to that point. It will be politics. And theyre campaigning. I sort of laughed at when i heard Rudy Giuliani say what he said. If the president committed a crime, its not a crime. Its insane, but this is something that the president has said, and nixon actually promoted this idea that if the president does you cant break a law. By definition its legal because hes the government. How long have you known trump . Three or four years and i studied him for longer than that. So if he is if someone in his family is indicted, how do you think hell react . I think it depends who it is. If its don junior, i think he could easily cut him lose, and weve had Rudy Giuliani say Jared Kushner is disposable, but of ivanka he said shes a fine woman, so shes going to be protected. She reflects well on the president. I think hes always had his doubts about the young man who bears his name. Hes never really had confidence in him. Harry, of all the folks attending the trump tower meeting, how do you think is in the biggest legal jeopardy . Junior. Hes the one who sets it up. Hes the one who says if thats what youre saying, i love it. Hes the one who allegedly, this is cohen talking, but well see if theres corroboration, tells his father about it. Hes in the thick of it in the false coverup statement done on air force one. But at least based on suggestion and anecdote, the president is pretty involved as well. But i think hes the moving force. You have the sense of, like, Kushner Being There and messaging a secretary get me out
of here somehow, and maybe trying to tiptoe away on air force one. This seems to be a trump junior production. Though importantly in the meeting now, we learned in a complete selfinflected error, one of many by Rudy Giuliani, we learned there was a premeeting attended by others, rick gates, the cooperator in monofoert. Thats going to be a lot of information to tell mueller. Yeah. I think one of the things harry said that was really relevant is that the crime does not have to be successful. You can conspire in something that fails and you still committed a crime. So harry made an excellent point. Thats why theres Attempted Murder and Attempted Murder. Conspiracy the crime is the agreement. Cnn is reporting Michael Cohen is prepared to say President Trump approved to the meeting with the russians. Trump did not attend the meeting
himself. Does that make a difference to prosecutors . To prosecutors . I mean, having him there helps a little, but if he approves of it, remember, the crime were talking about is conspiracy. So does he agree to the unlawful objective that is getting dirt on hillary . If he does, Doesnt Matter if hes at the meeting or not at the meeting, he still is liable. Not clear Rudy Giuliani knows that, and hes out there saying all kind of stuff, but if he approved it, hes in trouble. How far will he go to protect his family, the president. Oh, i think hell issue pardons but theres only so much he can do up to that point. If these people get prosecuted, theyre going to go to court. Thank you michael and harry. Appreciate your time. Thank you. When we come back multiple states banning together to block a company from Posting Blueprints of 3d printed guns online. The problem is the plans are already posted. man managing my type 2 diabetes wasnt my top priority. Until i held her. I found my tresiba® reason. Now im doing more to lower my a1c. I take tresiba® once a day. Tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. woman wed been counting down to his retirement. It was our tresiba® reason. He needs insulin to control his High Blood Sugar and, at his age, hes at greater risk for low blood sugar. Tresiba® releases slow and steady and works all day and night like the bodys insulin. vo tresiba® is a longacting insulin used to control High Blood Sugar in adults with diabetes. Dont use tresiba® to treat diabetic ketoacidosis, during episodes of low blood sugar, or if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. Dont share needles or insulin pens. Dont reuse needles. The most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause dizziness, sweating, confusion, and headache. Check your blood sugar. Low blood sugar can be serious and may be lifethreatening. Injection site reactions may occur. Tell your prescriber about all medicines you take and all your medical conditions. Taking tzds with insulins like tresiba® may cause serious side effects like heart failure. Your insulin dose shouldnt be changed without asking your prescriber. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing, fast heartbeat, extreme drowsiness, swelling of your face, tongue or throat, dizziness or confusion. man i found my tresiba® reason. Find yours. vo ask your Health Care Provider about tresiba®. Covered by most commercial Health Insurance and Medicare Part d plans. Whats the Mascara Lash Paradise from loreal. My lashes look amazing . Fuller and longer no wonder theres one sold every 5 seconds. See what your lashes are missing try Lash Paradise Mascara from loreal paris. Wilson took down his website, making the downloadable guns plans unavailable for now. Whats next in your fight to stop this from becoming a reality . The judge is going to hold a hearing on august 10th. We hope there will be a preliminary injunction. That will be an indefinite injunction until theres a final trial on the merits. We believe that we do have the ability and that we will be able to achieve that preliminary injunction as well. I found it interesting. I was speaking about this with my colleague crisco cuomo earlier. Wilsons legal argument says basically this is about free speech saying the government cant block the publication of the information on the web. Do you see this as a problem . This argument . Well, i think its a losing argument, ultimately. The Supreme Court has held for centuries that dangerous speech is not covered by the first amendment. Justice oliver Wendle Holmes said you cant yell fire in a
crowded theater. This is order of magnitude more dangerous than yelling fire in a crowded theater. You could have millions of these untraceable and virtually undetectable guns downloaded and distributed made by individuals who have 3d printers, and theyre dangerous as an international proposition. The United States has longtaken the position that to prevent terrorism we wont allow the export of these. I can tell you they will be dangerous on the streets of maryland, state of washington and the others that joined the lawsuit. Its currently illegal to produce or own a fully plastic gun under the undetectable firearms act, but this law is probably not specific enough because they probably never foresaw people could be able to use a printer. Trump said he was going to look
into the situation and speak to the nra about it. And then he came back with a position that mirrors the nras. Do you think he caved to them . First the nra should do something. The nra doesnt control guns. They do but theyre not supposed to. Its the president who should have a bigger voice. But go on. Hes got the state department, the Defense Department to consultant with. It is ironic he consultants with the nra on this. And the nra is funded by the gun manufacturers. They have nothing to gain from these cads, these computer assisted designs being Down Loadable on the internet. But i really do hope he backs off. There was no reason for the government to flip on this. The case brought by mr. Wilson who describes himself as a crypto anarchist. Had been all the way up to the Supreme Court and had lost. There was no reason for the government to do 180 degree turn on it . Quick answer. Wilson said about this recently said im being sued by at least 21 state attorneys general. If you want your Second Amendment online, this is the fight. Do you see this as a Second Amendment fight or is it Something Different to you . I think this is much different. People do have Second Amendment rights. But simply allowing guns to be made at home that cant be traceable, its really tough for law enforcement. It will prevent solving crimes that will virtually undetectable. It can slip through different security measures. This is just an open invitation to criminals to terrorists, and i dont think thats what the Second Amendment is designed to do. Attorney general frosh, thank you for your time. Thank you. Is the Republican Party officially turning into the party of trump . Yeah. Well tell you what the president is saying while
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