Waves his prosthetic leg in their faces. Well have the latest on that as well. The obamas talk about race. In a candid interview with people magazine. The president and first lady discuss brushes with racism. Are they playing the race card . What if they are . Straight ahead. Lets begin with the breaking news. Sony suspended tours of the los angeles studio until january. Because the of security concerns following the hack attack. That its according to the hollywood reporter. Meantime, the Obama Administration may publicly blame north korea for the attack as the early as the tomorrow. Officials tell cnn investigators know how the hackers got in. And we are joined now from seoul, south korea with the latest on this story. So, we are learning tonight that the u. S. Investigators think the hackers use aid sony employee used a sony employees credentials to get in. What can you tell us about that . Reporter it is a targeted attack. If you think about it from the hackers perspective. A smart attack. From what we are learning from u. S. Investigators they believe they were able to hack in and steal the credentials of a system administrator. Essentially the guy holding the keys. Once they got the keys they were able to break in, have free reign, access to all kind of information and thereby wreak havoc. Thats why this has been so successful. At least thats what we are hearing. So, how does, what does this mean . What this means for sony is that they now have to figure out how to button this up. But it also gives us a window into how successful they were because they were targeted, don. We have heard about the group. Called bureau 121 in north korea. What have you learned about the group . So, bureau 121 is if you think about the the new warfare,ing ing wbeing cybersp. These are foot soldiers. We dont know how many exist. We speck oke to a defector. There are 1800, trained by pyongyang, best of the best, trained in the hardtargeted attack. Trained to be hackers. Theyre sent out. They get their orders from pyongyang. What they do is try to hack into whatever system they need to. Have they done this before . Well the south korean government believes that they are behind a massive attack that occurred in south korea last year. Basically froze every single atm in this country. So imagine that. For three days not being able to pull out any cash. Again, this is a very, very powerful group. Thank you. Now to the hack attack on sony. Newt gingrich former speaker of the house calls it an act of war that must be met with a swift sand severe response by the United States government. He joins me along with phillip mudd, a former counterterrorism official. Welcome, gentlemen. Newt. Good to be with you. After the sony decision to pull the film the interview you tweeted it wasnt the hackers who won it was the terrorists. Almost certainly the north korean dictatorship. This was an act of war. You say an act of war. Do you think the u. S. Has been caught flatfooted by the sony attack . Absolutely. It was 23 days from the initial assault on sony to the final decision to pull the movie. 23 days. The u. S. Government did nothing. Made no representations. Pursued nothing. The fact its that they now are saying the North Koreans were responsible. When somebody comes into your country, coerces one of your companies, openly threatens to kill your citizens if they go to a theater. If that is not an act of war what its it . It strikes me. This is a deliberate effort by the, North Koreans, its dangerous because if they get away with it. Then who does what next . And how many people start deciding they can go after americans. Dest destroy their resources. Cripple their lives. And get away with it. My to phil. How should the u. S. Response. Should they respond immediately . I dont think they should. I think what we have here is a problem in understanding not only who did it. It appears were starting to figure that out. Dealing with a new normal in cyberworld. Back at the agency in 01, 2001, 2003. We spun up threats and responses to terrorism. We did not have a lot of experience in working in the threat environment. I think we made a lot of mistakes. Alarming the am kwerican people. Today in the same situation in the cyberworld. We do not understand huh to develop policy. I agree with speaker gingrich on the issue. I dont think we have a established protocol how to respond. People at National Security council and elsewhere in consultation with people like silicone valley have to step back and say this is a new normal in the cyberworld. Lets not spin up too quickly. Lets figure out long term what we do about stuff like this. This is going to be lasting forever. Is a response more sanctions . As long as china is supporting them, mr. Speaker. I dont know what the response is. The response could be to go in with our own cybercapabilities and close down north korea. Take apart north korean assets that are electronic. Cause them enormous domestic problems. But the real danger here is the entire rest of the world is watching. If somebody can come into an american company, close it down so people literally are using paper and pencil, steal five movies, openly threaten to kill americans if they go to a movie theater, and nothing is done . Every, every element that hates us on the planet is going to take that as a signal that we are so unprepared that were an open target. It is very important that we find some very significant response to prove that it is, very expensive to invade the United States with cybercapability, to try to coerce americans. The accountability the counter belief is that north korea is so unpredictable. People are worried. They dont know how they will retaliate. Should that be a cononcern, we dont know how they will retaliate . I agree with the speaker. We have got to respond. Not just for north korea. A state still living in some ways in the 20th send schur re. Their people are starving, infrastructure limited, technical capabilities, limited. Internet access is aun chiefable in north korea. That said, in 2014, we have got to look to the future. What happens when Mexican Cartel dos this . What happens when human traffickers do this . What happens when drug traffickers do this . Iran, russia, china . I think we have got to be thinking abut wheout where we g five, ten years in establishing a response and establishing a base line for how we deal with what is an incredible hack in the past few weeks. Not look at north korea in isolation. We are going to have to deal with this in the new cyberworld all the time. I want to read, director Michael Moores staement to cnn. Before the release of fahrenheit 911 the studio, myself and theaters received numerous threats warning us not to show it. None of this deterred any of us from releasing fahrenheit 911. We just hired more security. How do you make a private scum pan have a stiffer spine against cyberterror . I dont think you can tell them what to do. Let me be blunt. I was not have done this had i been them. In the world of risk and threat i sat on for years, this doesnt reach a threshold to change American Culture to respond to an amorphous threat from an adversary we can beat. I understand sony is nervous. You cant predict a north korean dictator. I dont have to sit in the sony chair to figure out what happens if there is an event and you go forward. In terms of how we respond. A rare moment where i will agree with michael moore. I dont think we should have taken this severe response. We dont know if north capability to do this. Should sony and theaters have stood up for the 1st amendment. Arent they in the business of making money . Sure they are. Also in the business of defending the right of free expression. Virtually everybodien hy ein hod will tell you how they believe frin dom freedom of speech. They get offended at effort to censor them. Imagine a Theater Owner said i will be courageous. Have the movie. And imagine North Koreans had b been able to hire five folks. Everybody in the theater would have sued the Theater Owner. Said this was negligence. This was inappropriate. I think the way we have designed the system today. Maximizes the risk for being courageous. And maximizes the legal exposure of people who are courageous. And we have to revisit that part of it. I want to go a step further. This is not some local teenager, this is not some local hacker. This is, this is a nation state engaged in activities which included, overtly threatening to kill americans if they went to a movie theater. It is the job of the u. S. Government to be engaged at that point. We had 23 days to the u. S. Government to respond effectively. It did nothing. And frankly, if i had been head of sony that would have made me nervous speaker gingrich, phillip mudd, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. The fallout is huge. The movie was expected to earn more than 100 million for sony. And variety is reporting sony stand to lose 75 million. Actor steve carell set to star in a film set in south korea. That film has been scrapped. Joining me, jeffrey lyons. Good to have you here. Doubly so. You have seen the movie. We will talk about it. Do you think sony did the right thing pulling the interview. I dont want to sit in their chair. They almost had no choice. When you thing of aurora. They didnt have it in a private screening room. They had it in a theater. Walking out the thought did cross my mind. Boy, somebody could shoot up this place. Why am i thinking like that . Thats crazy. If you took the screen play of the events of two weeks to a studio, five, six years ago they never would have bought it. Thurd believe it is happening. I think they were very scared. I want you to listen to what chris rock said from the New York Times today about how hollywood feels about the hacking. This whole thing is scorer, man. Emails, your private stuff, and i dont know. The whole town is scared. Everybody has got to be scared. No one knows what, you know . Nobody knows what to do. Nobody knows what to do. Screen writers, executives. Theaters running scared . This is mass censorship by somebody on the other side of the world using technology we didnt know they had ability to use. What is going to happen to creativity, two, three years ago when somebody wants an idea for a movie that may offend a group. Its really scary. Lets talk about the movie. You are one of the few who has seen it. What did you think of it . It is kind of a fun, stoner movie. Cowritten by seth rogan, codirected it. There are funny moments. Silly. Funny. And language. Take out offcolor word. It would be 20 minutes shorter. Two guys know each other. Worked in films before. Quite an amusing film. Wish it would have been funnier. Here and there it gets sc scatlogical. Fun day at the movies. Its harmless. Thumbs up, thumbs down . Not thumb ttz. Not thumbs. Riaw awe. I recommend people see it. Do you think a studio or Production Company may buy it and release it. Someday, a young man, when his time is over. Who knows. People say theyll put it on payperview, dvd. That will take time. It depend in the way the United States react to awful this. The way we fight back. This cant go on like this. Hollywood is only going to make, Family Friendly musicals if this goes on. Was it a bad idea . End of the movie it shows the death, graphic death you are giving it away. Doesnt matter. Nobody will see it. What did you think . I was surprised. Pretty graphic. A lot of the scenes are gruesome. I said they really did that . I want to read this. This its what to date u. S. Came to an unprecedented attack on cherished bed rock principle of free speech by north korean terrorists who threat tuned kill moviegoers to stop the release of a movie. Absolutely right. Sorkin is brilliant. Absolutely right. This is really scary. Every tomb yime you go to a mov. I hope some group on the other side of the world wont be offended. Repercussions that are scary. As scary as what originally happened. Thank you for coming on. Glad to be here. Thank you. Jeffrey lyons. Lots more ahead on cnn. Court hearing for the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing. One of the people injured in the attack took offense at supporters supporters. The president and first lady talk about their experiences with racism. Theyre joining the National Conversation on being black in america. Is it the right thing for them to do . Well debate it in a minute. Dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future. You. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. 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Try adjusting up or down. Youll know cuz sleep iq™ tells you. Give the gift of amazing sleep, only at a sleep number store. Find our best buy rated c2 Queen Mattress with sleepiq. Know better sleep with sleep number. Boston, the deadly marathon bombing. There was a Court Hearing today for sarnayov. We havent seen him in quite some time. 17 month as go. The last time he was in the federal courthouse. He appeared today. He looked relaxed. His hair was longer. More disshelved. The one change. He was wearing a black collared sweater, white shirt. Gray slacks. Very respectful. The judge began questioning him. Do you believe your lawyers have your best interest at heart. He said very much. The judge said is there anything you want to discuss in private, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said no sir. The guys remembered him in high school as. The captain of the wrestling team. Thought this was uneventful. In fact a woman stood up and began shouting in russian, don. Was that the only dramatics. I understand there may have been a couple instances where people erupted. There was. You had victims of the marathon bombing in the courthouse. Sitting there, at the left of the courthouse, just watching what was going on. And, as matter of fact. One man had stopped by two women who were outdoors, basically saying, you know there is no evidence. That, that tsarnaev had been set up. This is what he did. At one point he took his prosthetic leg off and started shake it at women. He said you want proof . Here is your proof . These women were out in support of tsarnaev. Which may be interesting. Why do they thing he is not guilty . A lot of them dont believe there is enough evidence. They belief he has been set up by the fbi the woman who stood up and started screaming out in russian, she is actually the motherinlaw of the friend of tsarnaev, ibrahim totashev, implicated in a triplemurder after the bombing. While allegedly writing a confession he lunged at fbi agents and was shot dead. This was his motherinlaw. She was screaming at the court, stop killing innocent people. Stop killing innocent boys. She said, dzhokhar, stay strong, there are supporters here for you. A lot of fireworks. People didnt expect. One woman said it well, you know, she was injured in the bombing. She said to me after court, she said, the reason i cam was not to see tsarnaev, the reason i came was so he would see us. He didnt win. We in fact are stronger because of what happened. Not weaker. Which, was the alleged intent of the bombing, don. Whats next here, deb . Well the judge has to make a couple rulings on several motions outstanding. The trial set to begin in january. Once again, dzhokhars lawyers will try to postpone the trial. There is so much evidence. They need the time to go through it. Thank you. The boston bombing and hacking of sonys computers, both forms of modern day terrorism. Lets talk about that with the cnn National Security analyst, and ceo of mitnick securiti. Com. He was once one of the fbis most wanted after hacking into 40 major corporations just for the challenge. All right. So, jewel yet. Lets begin with you though. I am going to be nice to him. Yes, absolutely. Be nice. Julia, sound like your voice is better. Glad about that. We started the week worrying lone wolf copycats from the hostage standoff in australia to. Day lone wolf, boston bomber, tsarnaev in court. Are the hackers the same thing, lone wolf terrorists . No, at least now the evidence shows that it was, north korea, response bum fible for the hack. Into sewn. They dont know who is responsible for the 9 11 threat that came later. I wouldnt call them lone wolves if you will look at them altogether. What they are, a form of asymmetric, warfare, or asymmetric threat. Two brothers at a marathon. One guy in australia. And, 60 hackers from north korea. An essentially bring down entire industry. The entertainment industry. Thats the nature of the kind of threat we are facing. Part of it is media and globalization of media. Part is the attackers are more savvy. They, they pick high profile events. They pick entertainment industries. So this is the sort of wave we are looking at right now. So i wonder who is more dangerous. Some one with a pressure cooker. Lone wolf with the pressure cooker. Hacker skills. They can crack into computers and into, Companies Like sony or any other company. Juliet. It is a different kind of threat. All of us can sit here in judgment of sony. The way i describe it. As sony. They acted perfectly rationally. If you are them. The rest of us have to live with the consequences. I think we dont have a good notion of how to both defend ourselves against cyberattacks and, not just the u. S. Government. It is obviously private industry. As well as how to respond. So when people talk about warfare, what does that mean . How are we actually supposed to respond . And its it is a new era in this regard. Kevin, to you now. U. S. Investi