Act, and that might convince republicans that they should go ahead and pass the supplemental. And i had to remind him, im getting sued right now by mr. Boehner right now for going ahead and acting instead of going through congress. Well, here is a good test case. Well, you know where else you see that same divide . Out of all places on daytime tv where battle lines are being drawn over at the view. Will Rosie Odonnell return . Liberal. Will sarah palin get a seat at the table . Conservative. And will the whole thing turn into a scream fest . Well talk exclusively with the woman who knows the view better than just about anyone. Guess who it is . Plus, the mom who drove her mercedes to pick up her food stamps. But this story doesnt go exactly the way you might think. She is going to be here to explain to us. And as always, we want to know what you think about all this. Make sure you tweet us using the askdon. Were going get to the debate on the border. But first, the great divide. Nischelle turner has that. Daytime tvs happy hour always starts right now on the view. Reporter but things dont seem too happy behind the scenes at the view these days. Barbara walters officially retires from the show in may. Then two more hosts say theyre leaving. New hire Jenny Mccarthy i have taken a new job. Reporter and seventh season veteran panelist sherri shepherd. It is true im leaving after the season. Reporter maybe the biggest change is how its evolving. The view more than ever seems to reflect the bitter political divide in this country. Like a lot of American Television in politics, the voices got louder, the opinions harsher, and the debate more in your face, like Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Rosie Odonnells frequent feuds. Number one, i sit here every single day. Reporter now reports the show may hire cultural and political lightning rod Rosie Odonnell again. I think its clearly a matter of wanting to see a difference of opinion. If you have a panel in any Television Show that all agrees with one another, th doesnt ma for great television. Reporter Elisabeth Hasselbeck isnt thrilled with the idea of rosy returning. Here comes into the the view the very woman who spit in the face of our military and stood by here and had civil debates for the time that she was there. Reporter but hasselbeck may be more supportive of another possible contender, fellow republican sarah palin. The ones that really jumped out as potentials were rosie, obviously, because she has done it before, and then sarah palin. I mean, there is somebody who certainly has a very strong audience who she could carry with her. I love the idea of wanda sikes coming on. I also like Kathy Griffith and ross matthews. I love him. Reporter but for now, even barbara admits she doesnt have the right arranges i dont know. Im not sure. Reporter no . I know the view will continue. I dont think we have a new direction yet. I think we have a little time to find it. Reporter nischelle turner, cnn, new york. All right. So whatever happens at the view, it is now tv history. And nothing says you have made it like seeing yourself on saturday night live. I want you to take a look at this. Scaffolding under my clothes. , no stop it. Stop it. You look great. You know what i always say . Who cares. Joining me now, a woman who had a seat at the table of the view for 16 years is joy behar. She joins me here exclusively. Let me tell your story. You were one of the original panelists on the the view when it premiered. 16 years you would be retiring show. I did not retire prirks the show. Yes. You know this is cnn. We have to talk about news. You heard what the president said about the border crisis. Yeah. Put a bill there to say apple pie is american, there would be some opposition to that. Yes. What do you make of it . What do i make of it . Thats kind of what is playing out in the country. Well, you know, you to look at his whole time in the white house and wonder why he is constantly being obstructed . Why . Even after bill clinton was impeached, they still went along with his scenario. When george bush invaded iraq under false pretenses, they didnt know it, probably, but the democrats went along with that. Why cant they give this guy a break . What is that about, do you think . Hmm . Ill let you answer that. Lets get right to it, the headlines. Rosy is coming back. And the whole reason were doing this is because the view is a microcosm of what is happening in society now. Is it . Yeah. You know. With rosy and elisabeth. That picture of whoopi, its like a nancy grace segment. Where are they . Lets put out an amber alert. One of those was you. But who is it going to be now . What do you make of that, rosy coming back . Remember the split screen with elisabeth and them. I was in the middle of that. What do i make of her coming back . Yeah. Well, they thrive on ratings. Shell probably bring ratings. She is very edgy. A certain amount of danger to rosy. And i think theyre looking to really supe up the show that way. So you were in the middle of that . Yes. Okay. Elisabeth called into fox the other day where she works, and she wasnt really thrilled about the news. And she was calling in from her vacation when she heard. Lets listen to this and then well talk about it. Here in comes to the view the very woman who spit in the face of our military, spit in the face of her own network, and really, in the face of a person who stood by her and had civilized debates for the time that she was there. Coming back with a bunch of control ready to regain a seat at the the view table. Not surprising, i think this has been in the works for a long time. You sat beside her for years. What did you think about it . I thought that was really kind of below the belt to say she spits in the face of the military. I would like elisabeth to explain herself, really. What does she mean by that . And isnt it kind of a nasty thing to say about somebody who basically is a good person . Say what you want about Rosie Odonnell, she is a very generous person. She has a million kids. She is alwaysress skewing someone. She has more kids than mrs. Duggar. Her son is at the citadel. What more does she want . But they had beef, obviously. But to say she spits in the face of the military. Thats a dangerous thing to say about somebody. First of all, its not prove. I would like her to prove it. Goes on fox. Everything is fiction on fox anyway. What am i talking about . But you want her to explain that. Why . I want her to explain it. Its a hatefilled remark. And she should explain it. When conversations like that happen on the view, right, when elisabeth would say things like that to rosy, wasnt it the best ratings they had . Do you think theyre trying to go back to that . Here is the thing, don. When i took on the job in the beginning, we were me, starr jones, Meredith Vieira and Debbie Matenopoulos who aged out after a year. Whatever. We kind of got along there was chemistry. The way we got the show is we were put in a room and see what would gel, and it gelled. And we kind of liked each other. And we bantered around. Now they seem to like people to fight with each other and not like each other. Because that might happen again. If they want to put conservatives and liberals again against each other, i dont know. Its interesting. Because the view you have to give to it barbara walters. The view was an original idea with all women. It went gangbusters for a long time. Now every show on television has a view. The show like the talk is doing almost as well the view and catching up. It is not like the view. It was originally. No, no, no. The talk is more planned, i believe. The view is totally spontaneous. Nobody knows what were going say when we get out there. Nobody tells whats to say. Thats the beauty of the view. Its a spontaneous show. The other shows are more structured. But do you think the view has do you think should it go back to that kind of fighting or has it run its course . I think people like to see women getting along with each other. When they start to fight with each other too much, i think it becomes a little uncomfortable. Did you think it was going to be so political when you join the view . No. It wasnt about that in the beginning. It was about camaraderie. We talked about womens issues. We did some serious subjects and others. But then when obama was rung against mccain, it became very political and very acrimonious. That was when you know, he brings in sarah palin, youre going have fights. Kirks we show the fight between osi and elisabeth. Oh, again . Yeah, lets show it. Honest. What is no commercial in this show . Ill tell you what is cowardly. No. No asking a reor the cal question that you never answer yourself that is cowardice. Who is directing this show. Lets go to commercial. Lets go to commercial. That was a long time. Im a natural moderator. They did sit on that, though, right . Was that purposely . You mean the director . Yeah. I dont know what was in his mind. They did a split screen which i think rosy was not happy about. They did a split screen. What do you think were still its not the same show. The show changed when meredith and starr left. It became a different show. Because when they were there, it was like, you know, four of us two conservative, two liberals with a panel that reflects american politics. Does it at the moment . No, im not sure that the view needs to be as political as it is at all, because if youre actually reflecting what american women tell pollsters they care most about, politics is way down on the list. And i like i love the show. I love the commentary. I love the back and forth. But everybody on the show is not is kind of unique, not very common in terms of what it is we think about and what it is the kind of industries that we work in. And so, you know, when women tell people what really concerns them, what they want to hear information about, gather some education on, its issues Like Health Care and education. Its not necessarily who said what in what political party. Would you like to be on, kelly . Would you like to talk . Sure, absolutely. Theyre looking for a blond, im sure. No no, no, i think theyre really not looking for a real conservative. Ive seen the list, and i think theyre looking for sort of a passing republican, not a true conservative. But there are reports that sarah palin may be throwing her hat in the ring. She is publicly campaigning for it. But as a serious matter you dont want a show that is really the view only. You want a show that expresses the views. Does it need attention, though, in order for it to draw the numbers, jim moret . Im sorry, thats the irony to me, because women are all about negotiation and compromise. Thats the irony. Jim . I think it needs to be exciting to watch. I think rosy joy hit it right on the mark. People watch rosy because they want to know what is she going to say tomorrow. Frankly, joy, i miss you on the show. Thank you, jim. I really do. I think that youve got in whoopi a very strong opinionated woman. In rosy, a strong opinionated woman. Sometimes theyre going to clash. But, you know, joy talked about something that has been lacking lately, and thats this mutual respect. Im hope thanksgiving can get back to that. You can banter, but still like each other. Yeah. And you can still have fun. And i dont think you need to watch a battle every day. Lz, and by the way, i do miss you on the show as well. But go ahead, lz, before i ask your question. You didnt have to say that. I say it like it is. We all miss you, joy. We all miss you on the show. Absolutely. I think the purpose really has to be defined as who is going to be on the panel. And what i mean by that is the purpose to strictly entertain . Is the purpose now to inform, to reflect the audience or is the purpose now to reflect america . Those are four different purposes in my opinion. And as they cast the show. A lot of the Research Show that women did get their news from us. Right. They watched the show and got a sense of what was happening in the world from us. Women are huge deciding voting bloc when it comes to elections, especially the president ial election. And now should it reflect, should there be a liberal shore, there be a conservative . Should is there be a man the view . No. All of those things. Yes, yes, im a man. Ill do it. Ill do it. First of all, we listen to men all day and all night on every other channel. We see them constantly on every place. So the women want to hear women talk. Were interested in each others conversations. But joy, you said thats where women got their news. And i know youre right statistically speaking. But in fairness, a lot of it as is a lot of punditry today, its not news, its opinion. And it becomes very difficult for the average consumer to distinguish between the two. Especially if they turn on the tv five a week and see comfortable, familiar faces who do make them laugh, who do tell them something they didnt know. Yeah. And i think thats really its a little bit dangerous. Frankly, when i come on, its republican polls for somebody else, democratic strategist. But we dont always know every ax that everybody is grinding out there when its under the guise of entertainment. Thing should be a distinction between true hard news and opinion. Thats not the views role. It nevers represents itself as a news show, never. There. Are rumors about add manning, what have you. Listen, im a man that would be great. Many people would like to have that job. Im not sure a man should be there. Its great to go in and hang out with once in a while. Its a different show. Do you think its different if its a gay man . Does that matter . No. I think first of all, it goes back to what i said before. What would be the new purpose of the new cast. We know that when the view start, the number of men who were stay at home dads who worked from home is much lower than what it is today. Are you trying to perhaps appeal to that group of people who may tune in and watch the show. Lets be honest. L. Z. , you watch it, jim moret watches the show as well. Would it make you want to watch it more if a man is on that show . Im not so sure. Not the demographics, i think. I think theyre only interested in women. Its about the chemistry. No, im sorry to say that but thats what happens with those shows. You really believe that . I dont really think that theyre interested in men watching that much. I think they want women to watch it. Because that was the number one always got was women 18 to 49. Thats what they were interested in. Ken, do you think the view can be saved . Thats an important distinction. I think it can be saved. I think they have to go back to the drawing board. The way we were hired in the first place. We were thrown in to a room together. The group that had the most chemistry and that seemed to be smart, thats the group that got the job in the first place. Do it like that. They keep doing it piecemeal. Jim, the reason im doing this is i think all of us need to sit around the table the way the view does and hash things out, including republicans, democrats, president , and everyone. Do you think the view can be saved a la can the country be saved as well . Well, i dont know. Thats a lot of onus to put on the view, right . My god, just a little daytime show. And yes, can it be saved . Of course i do, because lets face it . What are we doing right now . Were talking about the view. Its relevant again. Why . Because rosy is being thrust into the mix. People want to know what she is going to do, how is she going to interact with whoopi, who else is coming on board. And by the way, joy, i think that a metrosexual guy like me would be great sitting next to you. Theyre all auditioning tonight. We love them as guests. Don has auditioned. So i have to audition too. Its the new you right here. Take us out, don. I like it when men are there because it gives you a it will flirtatious thing with men. The men love it. But i like that kind of show. The view itself is a womans show. As a professional market researcher, what nobody asked me for my advice on the view, but one piece of advice i might give is scrap the 18 to 49 only, because youve got women living into their 80s and 90s now. The idea that 49 is maybe im too close. You better talk to palmolive and procter gamble. But in fairness, look who they attract as their hosts. Their hosts are not in that demographic because they want smart women who have accomplished things to talk. L. Z. , can the view be save and should it . First of all, i dont think its dying. I think its changing. And we should not make it to one. Right. Just because something is going through changes doesnt mean it necessarily needs to be resuscitated. Right. I went through my changes. I didnt need to be resuscitated. Well that were not so sure about that. But the thing is this numbers are going down, right. The numbers have not been great. The talk is going to be in the same time slot. Theyre not the same show, though. The talk and the view are not the same show. As somebody in that demographic, ill tell you. All right. Thank you, guys. We come right back. Maybe we should have the view from the hebrew home for the aged. See, thats a show that everybody would love. What happened to our show that we were supposed to do today . Our show. I already did my pitch to get back on the air. All right, joy. Its always a pleasure. You and me together, what a team. Laurel and hardy together would eat their hearts out. Thank you, jim, thank you, l. Z. , thank you, kelly. Children at the border. What should we do about them. And later, she was looking for a better life too. She drove her mercedesbenz to collect food stamps. But there is more to her story than you might think. Than you might think. After taking a verbal lashing from texas, governor rick perry. Here is president obama arriving in dallas and shaking perrys hand in the midst of what he calls a humanitarian crisis. Thousands of children stuck in limbo and desperate to get into the United States. Joining me now is cnns rosa flores on the border. She has been reporting on this. Rosa, i want to talk specifically about the unaccompanied children rossing the border. Explain why all of these children are coming here now and where theyre coming from. Well, you know, lets talk facts first. And this is information gathered from federal u. S. Agencies that help these unaccompanied minors. Prior to 2012, don, they would see between 7,000 to 8,000 unaccompanied minors. In 2012, that number went up to 13,000. Then in 2013, to 24,000. And of course were in the situation we are now where it could be it could exceed 60,000. So the big question, like you said, is why. What is driving this . The story that we keep hearing over and over again is, a, violence. And just think about it. In these countries of honduras, el salvador and guatemala, these are the hubs for the ruthless ms 13 gang. Theyre known as ms 13 here. Theyre in that area. A