Their 15th annual push and pull parade. Iowa is getting the 2020 treatment this Independence Day. Democratic hopefuls like joe biden, bernie sanders, Kamala Harris, beto orourke and Pete Buttigieg are fixtures at parades and barbecues there in the hawkeye state. Iowa caucus goers are paying attention and making their voices heard loud and clear during this time. Dueling chants just a short time ago made for an awkward moment for joe biden. Watch. Its time, its time, its time for a woman in the white house. Its time, its time, its time for a woman in the white house. Whoo i say joe, you say biden. Joe. Biden. Joe. Biden. I say joe, you say biden. Joe. Biden. Joe. Biden. So this is all happening in the midst of a battle over race issues between former Vice President biden and senator Kamala Harris following their Tense Exchange on the issue of busing at the debate last week. Now both candidates are having to answer for their positions on busing. I want to go live to iowa for the latest. Cnn political reporter Arlette Saenz is following joe biden. Kyung lah is following Kamala Harris. Harris criticized biden and shes taken a position that is raising eyebrows. Tell us about this. Reporter well, its raising eyebrows not among her camp per se, because her campaign is saying they feel that this is all a distraction and its being directed at them from the biden campaign. Heres where it all began, brianna. There was a question yesterday in a reporter backandforth with Kamala Harris at an event. The question that was asked is whether or not she supports mandatory busing. She said yes. And then she followed up with this response. Busing is a tool among many that should be considered when we address the issue, which is a very Current Issue as well as a past issue, of desegregation in americas schools. So i think of busing as being in the toolbox of what is available and what can be used for the goal of desegregating americas schools. I believe that any tool that is in the toolbox should be considered by a School District. Reporter well, that launched a twitter backandforth between the campaigns. From the biden camp i want to read you this tweet. Quote, its disappointing that senator harris chose to distort Vice President bidens position on busing, particularly now that she is tying herself in knots trying not to answer the very question she poed sed to him. And then a snap back from the harris campaign. Vice President Biden said who the hell do we think we are that the only way a black man or woman can learn is if they rub shoulders with my white choeld. He called busing an asinine concept. Come on, yall are better than this. The yall being directed right back at the biden camp. That is all because of the harris answer. When we go back to the campaign, what does she mean by toolbox and federal mandated busing. In the 1970s it was a very different situation. She absolutely would support federally mandated busing. You cannot pick up that solution and drop it in on todays issues, brianna. The campaign is saying that certainly she feels it is one of a number of tools to be used to try to correct the issues in schooling today, bro aianna. Thank you so much. Lets head over to independence, iowa, and arlette. Biden, his campaign has been reacting to this. He actually just took questions today from reporters. Tell us about that. Reporter yeah, thats right, brianna. Just after he finished a fourth of july parade here in independence, iowa, biden spoke to reporter as this war of words has been erupting between his campaign and Kamala Harriss. I asked the former Vice President specifically what he thought about Kamala Harris current explanation on her position on busing. Take a listen to what he had to tell me earlier today just a short while ago. She said that busing should be considered as part of a toolbox that School Districts could consider when it comes to the issue of segregation. Shes absolutely right. And do you think that there is any difference between what she was saying to you in the debate last week versus today . Look, shes a good person. She is smart as can be. She feels strongly. It came out of nowhere. It didnt seem to be something at all consistent with anything i had been accused of before. Reporter now, biden also was trying to make the case that Democratic Candidates need to start focusing on issues of the future, not necessarily looking at the past. He said he is not going back to other peoples records for 10 or 20 years ago bringing up issues from there. Of course biden has a much longer political record than the other candidates. But biden said they need to start focusing on issues such as health care talking to voters. I also got the chance to ask biden about his dropping poll numbers and what he thinks about those. He contends that hes still way ahead, but we know those polls are showing a tightening since his debate performance and including that Exchange Last week. Arlette, thank you so much. Kyung lah, thank you as well. Happy fourth to both of you. Joining me is a White House Correspondent for Bloomberg News and charlie dent, now a cnn political commentator. I wonder what both of you think about what were seeing between Kamala Harris and joe biden as its developing now. Yes, its 40 years later. Her campaign, margaret is making the case you cant drop this in 40 years later and joe bidens position in the 70s. What do you think about this . Kamala harris was looking for a moment in the debates and she found it. But a moment in the debates is different than an ongoing conversation without a time limit on it. I think thats the reality that shes facing now. Joe biden talks about how he wants to talk about the issues of the present, not the issues of the past. But of course even if busing is not going to be a driving issue of the campaign, disparity in Public Schools and the ability for a child to get a good education is a very important issue to a lot of voters. It is one of those sort of galvanizing issues for a lot of voters of color. And so its something that he needs to be aware of. Whenever you hear a candidate say its important to have a conversation about that, it means i dont have a completely baked plan right now, so please wait until my tenpoint plan comes out. So its a real issue and demonstrated an opportunity for her and weaknesses for joe biden, but i think, you know, over the course of the next few weeks, were going to see her try to take maximum leverage from that window that the debates got her, biden try to get back on track and both scramble for fundraising because when you look at President Trumps fundraising numbers, like a fight over busing compared to how do you get to 105 million is those are two really different issues. Congressman, i wonder what you think watching all of this. Because both of these candidates have their issues with their records. Yes, biden supported civil rights broadly and he talked the talk. He definitely had a lot of support in the black community. Still does. He also balanced as a senator the desires of white suburban voters in delaware and his record definitely reflects that. But Kamala Harris was a tough prosecutor and critics say that her actions were not enlightened on the issue of criminal justice. Do you think this is a good debate for either one of them to be having . Absolutely not, brianna. This is a terrible issue. There are a lot of very fine people who supported the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights act but opposed forced busing. Think about it for a second. On the one hand these democrats are talking about, in this case Kamala Harris, talking about forced busing and being okay with that but on the other hand saying we oppose school choice. Heaven forbid if we let a parent send a child to another School District or private or parochial school. All opposed that, but theyll compel you to send your child to a school outside of their Neighborhood School zone. In 1971 i was bussed too. We all went to school in allentown, pennsylvania, at the same sixth grade center. It was a local decision. Not that big a deal as far as i was concerned, not the greatest idea in the world but they did it. But this is just the democrats talk about republicans being trapped in the past. Here they are debating an issue that frankly no one has talked about for decades. Could i ask you personally, having been bussed into a different school, could you see that that changed sort of your perspective or your exposure than if youd perhaps stayed in the school that you were initially mandated to be in . Not at all. In fact many of those students this was elementary school. At that time sixth grade was still elementary school, not middle school. And so essentially many of those same kids who i was meeting in sixth grade ended up being in my Junior High School a year later so it really had no real impact on me. By the way, that school is the same school that the great lee i coka went to who just passed away. One of allen towns greatest sons. Its interesting to hear your perspective on that. Kamala harris has a very different one. A lot of people who have written about this issue have a different one, i just want to make that clear because i want to move on to the next topic, which is justin amash declaring his independence from the gop. What are the wider ramifications of this, margaret . There are two questions, but the most important one for the country and political watchers is, is he laying the grounds work for a libertarian ticket for president and turn a negative focus on President Trump. There is a secondary question which is can he run for reelection on a thirdparty ticket and what will happen. But you saw the president already out of the gate. I mean hes up this morning celebrating the fourth in his own way, golf. But took a moment out to well, you probably have the tweet. But he took a moment out to call justin amash a loser and say that he was never going to win and all this sort of stuff. So the president is going to enjoy beating up on him over this. The question is does amash have a longterm plan and does he have a next act. Tweeting is how the president celebrates every holiday, every day. Congressman, what do you think watching this with amash jumping out of your party . Well, since im sitting here in the shadows of Independence Hall in philadelphia, we should talk about justins Independence Day here. First thing, justin look, i dont think he had any intention of running for reelection as a republican after he came out for impeachment of the president. I think the dye was cast then. Justin as we all know was more of a libertarian. I too was a trump critic when i was in congress but i was also part of the governing wing of the party. I wouldnt say justin was there. He was a member of the freedom caucus. Republicans are going to need to have a debate. Amash is raising nfair issues. What is the Republican Party going to look like after donald trump. Donald trump will be here a limited amount of time, four years or eight years. Hes going to be gone. The question is does trumpism survive . We shouldnt be about banishing heretics, we should try to get people into the party. The problem with this party right now is that weve were basically making it too sclus y exclusionary. We have to be about addition, not subtraction. Throw justin amash out of the party. That doesnt help you build your coalition. Hes throwing himself out of the party now, congressman. Yeah, i guess he quit. He did. Thank you so much. Margaret, thank you as well. Former Vice President joe biden will personally address the backandforth with senator harris when he and his wife, jill biden, speak with cnns chris cuomo. You can see that interview tomorrow morning at 6 00 and 8 00 a. M. Eastern. The Trump Administration reversing course. It will try to work around the recent Supreme Court ruling to get a question about citizenship printed on the census for 2020. 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Even the department of justice came out and seemed to think that this was a done deal because with the census being printed and everything going out in the fall, it seemed like the window had closed. Now its sort of back open. What is the government going to try to do here . Well, they can only try to do what the Supreme Court allowed them to do, which is chief Justice Roberts gave them a window. He said you could come back with an alternative explanation. Of course he called the one they offered contrived. So now theyre in the awkward position of saying if you didnt believe that story, how about this one . The one they gave that were to help enforce the voting act was soundly dismissed not only by the chief justice but three other federal courts that you say that ross was not being truthful about it. How is any other explanation believable when they came forward first with a contrived explanation . Its not. The only way you can walk through that minefield is to say, okay, that explanation, just forget about that. There are legitimate purposes for why we could put this on and just put it forth and swallow your embarrassment. For those who are against who are arguing against this question being on the census, would going back to the Supreme Court now reopen the process so that they could actually get in some evidence they wanted to present about the motive behind this question . Thats exactly right. Its a real doubleedged sword for them. In fact that maryland judge, one of the reasons hes pushing for a decision from the Justice Department is he says, well, if thats your position, then im going to commence discovery on the issue. So all that would open up. Do you see a situation where the question does change on the census . I think its really hard for that to happen right now because sup